rare values reform

[Lewis]

OK I agree with it and all, what's the point in having items that are obviously worthless, norms or always in the shop etc.

But I disagree that you're removing sections such as christmas ones, when it's not in the shop (which is the majority of the year) their values constantly change, and some increase/decrease as it comes towards the specific time they're released.

Please do not remove the likes of the christmas and halloween sections...

[Kyle]

I don't agree with removing ANY section. All prices change, norms more than most.


~~from phone

[lawrawrrr]

The general consensus for many years now has been that it's a waste of everyone's time to value norms, as they're so easy to track on the Marketplace. Focusing the department more on the actual rares side (although that definitely needs a proper definition as so many furni classify as "rare" these days judging by the definition Samanfa; gave me about a year ago), gives it a real purpose, and leaves scope for so much more.

I see what you mean about seasonals Lewis; but these are only really properly traded (with price changes) around those particular seasons, and often re-released into the catalogue anyway these days so I don't really agree with keeping them I'm afraid :(

[Hannah]

I think we should keep seasonals but remove norms.

Norms really are absolutely pointless to focus on the values, particularly if they are in the catalogue.

I also disagree that seasonals are only traded around that time of year. I purchased a few christmas items earlier this year, and there are some Halloween and valentine's items that I have traded for previous to and after the seasons - they're just not as much.

[scottish]

i think you should just value LTD's and scrap everything else, as habbox has been a better indicator for the last 5 years.

only time i've ever used hxf was
a) somethings not in the market (rarely happens)
b) it's ltd


whilst writing this I just remembered you can put LTD's in the Marketplace now, so scrap RV dept.

[lawrawrrr]

i think you should just value LTD's and scrap everything else, as habbox has been a better indicator for the last 5 years.

only time i've ever used hxf was
a) somethings not in the market (rarely happens)
b) it's ltd


whilst writing this I just remembered you can put LTD's in the Marketplace now, so scrap RV dept.
Just because that's the only time you use it, doesn't mean that's the same for everyone! There was a poll a while back and the overwhelming majority voted to go with (roughly) the plan which Dan announced the other day.

[scottish]

How many people actively search for more than 1 thing per day on RV?

[lawrawrrr]

I don't have access to those statistics, if they're possible to come across anyway.

[Bloop]

I don't agree with removing ANY section. All prices change, norms more than most.

~~from phone

I second this, but understand this is for the btr of hx and cuz staff have been dipping lots so yh

[scottish]

Everything's possible to track.

[Lewis]

i think you should just value LTD's and scrap everything else, as habbox has been a better indicator for the last 5 years.

only time i've ever used hxf was
a) somethings not in the market (rarely happens)
b) it's ltd


whilst writing this I just remembered you can put LTD's in the Marketplace now, so scrap RV dept.

I agree the main focus should be LTDS, but I don't think they should remove the likes of the big and classic rares. They definitely should remove every single item that can be purchased in the shop, and others that are just obvious.

[Zak]

I agree the main focus should be LTDS, but I don't think they should remove the likes of the big and classic rares. They definitely should remove every single item that can be purchased in the shop, and others that are just obvious.

As well, if they refined what they were looking at (i.e. scrapped a load of items and focused on the LTDs, supers, teleporters, arcanes and classic rares) the values would be a lot more accurate. Since the double credits some items have skyrocketed. For example the Pink Dragon was at 2600c yesterday yet Iouisvuitton refused 80gb for one the same day.

Maybe a reform needs to be done whereas users can submit values for approval? Then the experts could approve/disapprove?

[Kyle]

seasonal rares are not only traded around specific seasons. arctic pines, snowy pavement, most of the cabin range to name but a few xmas items traded throughout the year with prices that fluctuate greatly. super rares are very very easy to keep track of without habbox and harder in fact if it's the only medium relied on because of the infrequency of documented trades.

main focus ltds? nah. ltds are someo f the easiest items of furni to keep track of.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I have been and will consider keeping some sections on, mostly older sections such as Christmas/Easter/Gothic.. although I will have to see how many values and categories we are left with afterwards. If they are not kept and are swept out with everything else, then I will do what I said in the plan which is to keep items of interest (ie Romantique Clock, Chesterfield Sofas) in a new Misc category.

We could also consider bringing certain sections like Christmas back around that season as they rise, then removing again for another year after the Christmas season.

[Hatix]

They're fine as they are

[Samantha]

A reform in the department was needed, whether it's the right way to go about it we can only tell in time. However, some valid points were made in the announcement, but I don't agree with them all.

- Scrapping the likes of Area, really? They're always flexible in value and they haven't been released since last year (and that was only black). Area is one of those you should keep valued, they are traded a lot and some of the items as sex; knows are very hard to find.

However, with Iced I can see your point, they're not all in the catalogue I believe, but unlike Area they aren't as sought after anymore. A couple of years back you'd spend everything to get certain colours of Iced, now, you're lucky to get 1 Credit per item (in some cases).

It seems the department decides to pride itself on its values, but what about what Habbox Rare Values really is... a guide. To me, a guide is having a value to fall back or look at if you're unsure - you can then take that price and bend it as much as you wish. I also think a point of a guide is for something you are unsure on - perhaps an item rarely found in the Market Place and therefore you need to look at alternative places to find the value.

You say there will also be a new classification system for rare seasonal/misc. will this include the likes of Stately Roofs, Light Clouds, Sunset Wall etc? I sort of agree with this, but I don't think there's an end on furniture that could fit there.

It's unfortunate the department isn't a little bigger, as an idea that could possibly work is have sections for different types of items. I know it's the 'Rare' Values department, but you could have had 'Rare Values Reporter (Norms)', 'Rare Values Reporter (Supers)' (which would include LTDS) and 'Rare Values Reporter (Categorised)/(Catalogue Rares). You could then have the Heads doing what they do now - approving or denying values, but they would also be able to report all types of items.

[-:Undertaker:-]

A reform in the department was needed, whether it's the right way to go about it we can only tell in time. However, some valid points were made in the announcement, but I don't agree with them all.

- Scrapping the likes of Area, really? They're always flexible in value and they haven't been released since last year (and that was only black). Area is one of those you should keep valued, they are traded a lot and some of the items as sex; knows are very hard to find.

However, with Iced I can see your point, they're not all in the catalogue I believe, but unlike Area they aren't as sought after anymore. A couple of years back you'd spend everything to get certain colours of Iced, now, you're lucky to get 1 Credit per item (in some cases).

It seems the department decides to pride itself on its values, but what about what Habbox Rare Values really is... a guide. To me, a guide is having a value to fall back or look at if you're unsure - you can then take that price and bend it as much as you wish. I also think a point of a guide is for something you are unsure on - perhaps an item rarely found in the Market Place and therefore you need to look at alternative places to find the value.

You say there will also be a new classification system for rare seasonal/misc. will this include the likes of Stately Roofs, Light Clouds, Sunset Wall etc? I sort of agree with this, but I don't think there's an end on furniture that could fit there.

It's unfortunate the department isn't a little bigger, as an idea that could possibly work is have sections for different types of items. I know it's the 'Rare' Values department, but you could have had 'Rare Values Reporter (Norms)', 'Rare Values Reporter (Supers)' (which would include LTDS) and 'Rare Values Reporter (Categorised)/(Catalogue Rares). You could then have the Heads doing what they do now - approving or denying values, but they would also be able to report all types of items.

The problem is though, as I said, whilst it would be nice to keep an entire database full of values we simply can't keep up with it anymore.... just as the notion of assigning staff to specific roles (an idea that has been tried in the past, against my opinion) hasn't worked. The team from now onwards is going to very small, and indeed we've just suffered September blues with staff resigning so there's now only three or four of us carrying the entire department on our backs.

In terms of specific items, I am happy - when categories are sorted - to add items that you find hard/of interest to the new Misc section and we can do that on a fluid basis, but having values for every item in every furniture line is impossible now.

[HE-Joshua]

you guys can't even manage to update 10 prices let alone 5000 - what kind of person has a single price for a LTD when the scale of pricing for a single LTD can be between 1c and 500gbs (pure example).

Remove/Hide permanent shop furni if you must - but saying hey will hide christmas furni off season is just wow...

Sounds like a lazy department - be like HabboxLive saying oh its just too darn hard to get people djing between 3am and 9am oh lightbulb lets just close it permanently between them hours.

[-:Undertaker:-]

you guys can't even manage to update 10 prices let alone 5000 - what kind of person has a single price for a LTD when the scale of pricing for a single LTD can be between 1c and 500gbs (pure example).

It's an average. Do you expect us to be able to track the price of every single LTD?

It's an average just as with every Purple Dragon Lamp or Throne for example, everyday hundreds are traded all at differing prices.. we don't list every value it's been traded at. We take the average. LTD are obviously different with their bigger swings in value, but would you rather us not value them?


Remove/Hide permanent shop furni if you must - but saying hey will hide christmas furni off season is just wow...

Sounds like a lazy department - be like HabboxLive saying oh its just too darn hard to get people djing between 3am and 9am oh lightbulb lets just close it permanently between them hours.

So do you have a magic wand that can provide Habbox Rare Values and HabboxLive with enough staff to be able to do all of this or are you just shouting from the sidelines? If you could provide me with 25 to 30 staff then I would be delighted.

[Lewis]

It's an average. Do you expect us to be able to track the price of every single LTD?

It's an average just as with every Purple Dragon Lamp or Throne for example, everyday hundreds are traded all at differing prices.. we don't list every value it's been traded at. We take the average. LTD are obviously different with their bigger swings in value, but would you rather us not value them?



So do you have a magic wand that can provide Habbox Rare Values and HabboxLive with enough staff to be able to do all of this or are you just shouting from the sidelines? If you could provide me with 25 to 30 staff then I would be delighted.

For the LTD and average, would it be possible to have a wiki or description on the rare values page keeping track of what numbers have sold for what lately? Even if it isn't always up to date, it'd be good.

Obviously when there's a thousand ones, there won't be much of a different between 762 and 896 etc, so just the main popular numbers then the average numbers.

I think you or someone did mention that before, idk

[Mr-Trainor]

I tried to reform Rare Values (well, I wanted to do so) but wasn't allowed to at the time, see this thread for my full explanation: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=799824&p=8150045#post8150045

[lawrawrrr]

I tried to reform Rare Values (well, I wanted to do so) but wasn't allowed to at the time, see this thread for my full explanation: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=799824&p=8150045#post8150045
This is roughly what we're working off now - just having to tweak things because what we'd like to do won't be possible with current system - but I'm fed up of waiting for it as SOMETHING can be done now!

I just had a thought about the items in demand - I don't know like what's paricularly popular but I thought we could put a form on saying "The item you're looking for not here? Fill out this form and we'll see what we can do" and if we have multiples of that, consider bringing it back into a misc section. Thoughts?

[Mr-Trainor]

I don't agree with removing ANY section. All prices change, norms more than most.


~~from phone
I'd love to agree with you, but the problem is the lack of staff which just makes it all unfeasible in its current form. I've just looked at the staff list to see the department is even smaller than I thought, with only 2 Rare Values Reporters?! As for the number of furniture items on Habbo, roughly 5050 - if you were to assign each reporter a set of items, they'd have a list exceeding 2000. There just isn't the staff anymore to keep up with updating everything and the number of people relying on Habbox for Rare Values has definitely fallen considerably since its peak.

The general consensus for many years now has been that it's a waste of everyone's time to value norms, as they're so easy to track on the Marketplace. Focusing the department more on the actual rares side (although that definitely needs a proper definition as so many furni classify as "rare" these days judging by the definition @Samanfa (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=68263); gave me about a year ago), gives it a real purpose, and leaves scope for so much more.

I see what you mean about seasonals @Lewis (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=70869); but these are only really properly traded (with price changes) around those particular seasons, and often re-released into the catalogue anyway these days so I don't really agree with keeping them I'm afraid :(
There's a lot more to Rare Values than just the value - there's the graphs and value history that goes back way longer than what Habbo allows us to see and so for that reason it'd be great if every single item could exist on Habbox. However, as I've said before it just does not work anymore.

i think you should just value LTD's and scrap everything else, as habbox has been a better indicator for the last 5 years.

only time i've ever used hxf was
a) somethings not in the market (rarely happens)
b) it's ltd


whilst writing this I just remembered you can put LTD's in the Marketplace now, so scrap RV dept.
If it was my choice I'd keep gold star items (super rates) too, and also silver star items (normal rares).

Just because that's the only time you use it, doesn't mean that's the same for everyone! There was a poll a while back and the overwhelming majority voted to go with (roughly) the plan which Dan announced the other day.
Has this been announced publicly? (I haven't been very active as of late, but it'd be nice to have a look if it's out there!).

How many people actively search for more than 1 thing per day on RV?

I don't have access to those statistics, if they're possible to come across anyway.
Page views would be interesting too, and if possible some way of actually seeing which categories are more actively used.

I agree the main focus should be LTDS, but I don't think they should remove the likes of the big and classic rares. They definitely should remove every single item that can be purchased in the shop, and others that are just obvious.
Agreed!

They're fine as they are
But surely it's unreasonable to expect only a few staff to keep over 5000 values up to date?

A reform in the department was needed, whether it's the right way to go about it we can only tell in time. However, some valid points were made in the announcement, but I don't agree with them all.

- Scrapping the likes of Area, really? They're always flexible in value and they haven't been released since last year (and that was only black). Area is one of those you should keep valued, they are traded a lot and some of the items as @sex (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=101389); knows are very hard to find.

However, with Iced I can see your point, they're not all in the catalogue I believe, but unlike Area they aren't as sought after anymore. A couple of years back you'd spend everything to get certain colours of Iced, now, you're lucky to get 1 Credit per item (in some cases).

It seems the department decides to pride itself on its values, but what about what Habbox Rare Values really is... a guide. To me, a guide is having a value to fall back or look at if you're unsure - you can then take that price and bend it as much as you wish. I also think a point of a guide is for something you are unsure on - perhaps an item rarely found in the Market Place and therefore you need to look at alternative places to find the value.

You say there will also be a new classification system for rare seasonal/misc. will this include the likes of Stately Roofs, Light Clouds, Sunset Wall etc? I sort of agree with this, but I don't think there's an end on furniture that could fit there.

It's unfortunate the department isn't a little bigger, as an idea that could possibly work is have sections for different types of items. I know it's the 'Rare' Values department, but you could have had 'Rare Values Reporter (Norms)', 'Rare Values Reporter (Supers)' (which would include LTDS) and 'Rare Values Reporter (Categorised)/(Catalogue Rares). You could then have the Heads doing what they do now - approving or denying values, but they would also be able to report all types of items.
If there was the staff to maintain the values of all of the 4000+ tradable items on Habbo (just guessing that at least 4000 must be tradable, but maybe not :P) then I'd agree with you, but I think it's best if they just remove them all (in regards to your comment about Area etc).

The problem is though, as I said, whilst it would be nice to keep an entire database full of values we simply can't keep up with it anymore.... just as the notion of assigning staff to specific roles (an idea that has been tried in the past, against my opinion) hasn't worked. The team from now onwards is going to very small, and indeed we've just suffered September blues with staff resigning so there's now only three or four of us carrying the entire department on our backs.

In terms of specific items, I am happy - when categories are sorted - to add items that you find hard/of interest to the new Misc section and we can do that on a fluid basis, but having values for every item in every furniture line is impossible now.
It'd still be nice to have every item there - just separate the categories which are valued from the ones that aren't valued. So basically my vision is this; FE role will be affiliated with the Content department who will add all the items to Habbox. The categories which are valued will be displayed separately from those which are not, so for example perhaps going to hatbox.com/rv will allow you to see just the valued categories to avoid confusion, but going to the furniture guide under the guides section would show every category and every item whether valued or not. So the Content/RV department will have to communicate to make sure the valued categories are being set up correctly to enable the reporters to update values. If that makes sense..

Sounds like a lazy department - be like HabboxLive saying oh its just too darn hard to get people djing between 3am and 9am oh lightbulb lets just close it permanently between them hours.
What exactly makes them sound lazy?

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This is roughly what we're working off now - just having to tweak things because what we'd like to do won't be possible with current system - but I'm fed up of waiting for it as SOMETHING can be done now!

I just had a thought about the items in demand - I don't know like what's paricularly popular but I thought we could put a form on saying "The item you're looking for not here? Fill out this form and we'll see what we can do" and if we have multiples of that, consider bringing it back into a misc section. Thoughts?
I think it could end up like the Trade Team and just be rarely used, and if an item was to be added due to request and department began to track it and value it.. how do you know people are actually making use of it? It is a nice idea though and if you're (aimed at the RV department) willing to put in that extra time and effort to maintain the request system then it could be ok, maybe just trial it at first.

[lawrawrrr]

There's a lot more to Rare Values than just the value - there's the graphs and value history that goes back way longer than what Habbo allows us to see and so for that reason it'd be great if every single item could exist on Habbox. However, as I've said before it just does not work anymore.

I agree and I think theres even more that the department could move into - away from 'values' and into a plethora of new things - history, analysis, builders, the list goes on!


Has this been announced publicly? (I haven't been very active as of late, but it'd be nice to have a look if it's out there!).


Dan announced it a while ago on the poll thread I think (or an update one) and done at least 1 announcement since about what we've been doing


Page views would be interesting too, and if possible some way of actually seeing which categories are more actively used.
I'd be interested in seeing these stats. xxMATTGxx;?


I think it could end up like the Trade Team and just be rarely used, and if an item was to be added due to request and department began to track it and value it.. how do you know people are actually making use of it? It is a nice idea though and if you're (aimed at the RV department) willing to put in that extra time and effort to maintain the request system then it could be ok, maybe just trial it at first.

It wouldn't necessarily be every item that was requested - just if we saw a lot of requests for one item over a period of time, consider adding it?

[Mr-Trainor]

It wouldn't necessarily be every item that was requested - just if we saw a lot of requests for one item over a period of time, consider adding it?
I guess it wouldn't be too hard to implement anyway, so you may as well try it out :P.

[xxMATTGxx]

Unfortunately we don't really have V6 page stats - Not information that would tell you how much Rare Values is being used. What furni items on that are the most viewed or how much the search is used on it. Nothing like that whatsoever.

[scottish]

Get on it mattg.

[minimew312]

As well, if they refined what they were looking at (i.e. scrapped a load of items and focused on the LTDs, supers, teleporters, arcanes and classic rares) the values would be a lot more accurate. Since the double credits some items have skyrocketed. For example the Pink Dragon was at 2600c yesterday yet Iouisvuitton refused 80gb for one the same day.

Maybe a reform needs to be done whereas users can submit values for approval? Then the experts could approve/disapprove?

Personally, I really like the idea of possibly keeping all/most categories but possibly having people submitting values for approval.. I'm not sure how this would be done, as extra features would need to be added to the site to be able to do this, but I do really like this idea.

Thanks!
-Mini :)

[Lagg]

I came to habbox for values on things not in market place it truely did help, you have destroyed anything habbox had different to anywhere else. goodbye habbox...

[ToxicMint]

What? Habbox has rare values? Since when...

[xxMATTGxx]

What? Habbox has rare values? Since when...

For over 5 years.

[lawrawrrr]

I came to habbox for values on things not in market place it truely did help, you have destroyed anything habbox had different to anywhere else. goodbye habbox...

Things that aren't in the marketplace 100% definitely should (and probably have) ended up staying. There are sometimes some pieces that aren't there for a few days but we've struggled to get reporters for years, and it's always seemed like a waste of time as they're trying to update things that - most of the time - are in the MP which people won't look up.

I'd like to keep a furniture archive with categories, original prices, mottos etc - most of this will be held on the wiki now though.


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[Kyle]

Scrap the team, have user submitted values form with furni name, value an reason for vale (proof of trade/s or description). Rv team is about as much use as a wiki team


~~from phone

[scottish]

For over 5 years.

more like 10 years...

[xxMATTGxx]

more like 10 years...

Which is why I said "For over".

[scottish]

why not over 9 years (well over 10 years would still be accurate) instead of half that then

that's just underselling it

[Kyle]

The tenth anniversary of rare values was earlier this year :p time to get rid of the department but retain it's features by outsourcing to the community. Perhaps a few administrative "experts" to approve values based on proof given and own knowledge of the current market but other than that a team is not needed for the proposed items to be valued effectively. A rare values team I about as useful as a wiki team.


~~from phone

[xxMATTGxx]

why not over 9 years (well over 10 years would still be accurate) instead of half that then

that's just underselling it

Sorry.

[Chippiewill]

Unfortunately we don't really have V6 page stats - Not information that would tell you how much Rare Values is being used. What furni items on that are the most viewed or how much the search is used on it. Nothing like that whatsoever.

You can approximate it via cpanel.

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A rare values team I about as useful as a wiki team.

aka without a team no one bothers.

[Kyle]

You can approximate it via cpanel.

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aka without a team no one bothers.
the only people in the team are the ones that want to do it. they'd still do it if the team wasnt there

[xxMATTGxx]

You can approximate it via cpanel.

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aka without a team no one bothers.

Via rares.php? Doesn't really help the situation. If you want the number for that then it's over 5,000 for each month. I wouldn't call that valid page stats or stats on how much the department is used but whatever floats your boat.

[Chippiewill]

Shows you the number of page views of RV. I'd hardly say that's invalid stats.

[xxMATTGxx]

Shows you the number of page views of RV. I'd hardly say that's invalid stats.

Okay Will.

[-:Undertaker:-]

the only people in the team are the ones that want to do it. they'd still do it if the team wasnt there

I came back specifically to help out the department after I was requested to return.

Let's just get the reforms done, then we can think of other ideas to include. Laura has rightly indicated that the future role of the department will be a focus on the likes of LTD as well as shifting defunct categories to the Wiki. A public submission element though would definitely be an idea for the future, perhaps with V7.....

[HE-Joshua]

Wow just wow went to look for christmas tree in habbox rares and its all been removed - that pretty much given me a reason to stop coming to habbox way to piss of the 1000's of traders on habbo.

[Lewis]

Wow just wow went to look for christmas tree in habbox rares and its all been removed - that pretty much given me a reason to stop coming to habbox way to piss of the 1000's of traders on habbo.

if they've actually started to remove the likes of christmas furniture, that's ridiculous lol

[Kyle]

Rip rare values 2004-2014


~~from phone

[MKR&*42]

Wait I agree that items like mode and glass don't need to be on the site, but seasonal items (Valentines / Christmas / Halloween) with a strong value should be huh.

[Samantha]

Rather shocked that some Collectibles have been removed. Also a bit weird that some hard to come by super rares have gone too.

[lucaskf390]

Rather shocked that some Collectibles have been removed. Also a bit weird that some hard to come by super rares have gone too.

If you are schoked with christmas Im shocked Stray Pixels, less than 25 furni in whole hotel and none of them cheaper than 6000c and tried to value them for months and still couldnt value all them and now removed.

[Hannah]

Wow, rare values might as well be removed if that's the case.

On the bright side, you guys are already half way there to doing that ;)

[MKR&*42]

Well based on the response in this thread anyone who used to say "no1 uses habbox rares!!!!!" before this update was utterly wrong :P

[lawrawrrr]

It seems a bit ridiculous to me that a lot of ranges that are extremely rare to come across have been removed - I'm no trading expert though, which is why it's hard for me to guide everything, and why we're relying on feedback.

The thing is, a lot of people are saying "RIP RV" and everything - a lot of the time, these are the same people who have been saying for years there's no point keeping it going. The simple fact is so few people are interested in joining the department and the majority of the values were completely out of whack.

I think the only time Habbox values were really used is when items weren't in the marketplace. Which... most of the time... they were and are. There's no way it's worth keeping the historic department running as it's a lot of time and effort for not a lot of reward. Almost everyone said they barely used the system through the last few polls, yet apparently now there's lots of people speaking out in favour of saving everything? Make up your minds please.

But anyway, I think that all items that aren't in the marketplace regularly should still be featured on our system.

[Samantha]

lucaskf390;

I'm actually so shocked, I've been going on Habbox looking for prices and found nothing.

There are a few items that NEED adding back, I think a thread asking members what should be back is needed as it just looks a mess currently.

Pinata Rares BOTH kinds (Guitars, Ducks, Balloons etc.)
StrayPixels
Dragon Throne Rare
Rare Yellow/Amber Rug (this is a must).
Ecotron (namely mushrooms and trees).
Blue Submarine

etc. etc.

lawrawrrr; yeah I agree with that too. It's just some certain items have been removed, yet then some full ranges have. Oh the Army Plasto has been removed as well.

[Hannah]

lucaskf390;

I'm actually so shocked, I've been going on Habbox looking for prices and found nothing.

There are a few items that NEED adding back, I think a thread asking members what should be back is needed as it just looks a mess currently.

Pinata Rares BOTH kinds (Guitars, Ducks, Balloons etc.)
StrayPixels
Dragon Throne Rare
Rare Yellow/Amber Rug (this is a must).
Ecotron (namely mushrooms and trees).
Blue Submarine

etc. etc.

lawrawrrr; yeah I agree with that too. It's just some certain items have been removed, yet then some full ranges have. Oh the Army Plasto has been removed as well.

Without items like this, rv is pretty much pointless.

It's all well and good removing the old norms and crap, but seasonal rares and actual rares, too?

[lawrawrrr]

Yeah, like I said, I'm not great at furni but even I know army plasto, straypixels, that rug etc are all really tough to get hold of and really should be added back -:Undertaker:-;

[Samantha]

To help along I've just found a few more that should be added as soon as possible.

Bolt Of Zeus
(The) Golden Tablet
ads_campguitar
Currency items that aren't standard (Rubies, Sapphires, Crowns etc.)
Mystic Duck/Exec ICM perhaps?
Robot Dinosaur
All Crackable Eggs
etc.

Just trying to help :D. There are probably a lot more.

[MKR&*42]

All the teleporters need to be readded IMO.

[Lewis]

Bring back seasonal furniture. Bring back teleports. Bring back actual rares.

Just remove the norms that are in the shop and anything obviously worthless...

[Inseriousity.]

It seems a bit ridiculous to me that a lot of ranges that are extremely rare to come across have been removed - I'm no trading expert though, which is why it's hard for me to guide everything, and why we're relying on feedback.

The thing is, a lot of people are saying "RIP RV" and everything - a lot of the time, these are the same people who have been saying for years there's no point keeping it going. The simple fact is so few people are interested in joining the department and the majority of the values were completely out of whack.

I think the only time Habbox values were really used is when items weren't in the marketplace. Which... most of the time... they were and are. There's no way it's worth keeping the historic department running as it's a lot of time and effort for not a lot of reward. Almost everyone said they barely used the system through the last few polls, yet apparently now there's lots of people speaking out in favour of saving everything? Make up your minds please.

But anyway, I think that all items that aren't in the marketplace regularly should still be featured on our system.

Like you, I'm also no trading expert but the last few polls indicated that there was a demand for the system still there, a silent majority so to speak and that's why the RV department has survived. It is perhaps one flaw of the feedback forum that it's filled with people who'll never enter comps regardless of what happens to them but suggest how to improve them, hardly play Habbo but suggest how to improve hxhd or events etc etc. Obviously I don't think that means that they should be totally ignored but managers do need to bear it in mind when they change stuff. I'll never use rare values cos I don't trade, hate it so much! I dunno how the RV staff do it :P

[Lewis]

Like you, I'm also no trading expert but the last few polls indicated that there was a demand for the system still there, a silent majority so to speak and that's why the RV department has survived. It is perhaps one flaw of the feedback forum that it's filled with people who'll never enter comps regardless of what happens to them but suggest how to improve them, hardly play Habbo but suggest how to improve hxhd or events etc etc. Obviously I don't think that means that they should be totally ignored but managers do need to bear it in mind when they change stuff. I'll never use rare values cos I don't trade, hate it so much! I dunno how the RV staff do it :P

Last time I was in rare values (years ago though) the manager just told us to copy values off the MP lol, which I do find a bit pointless for most items

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yeah, like I said, I'm not great at furni but even I know army plasto, straypixels, that rug etc are all really tough to get hold of and really should be added back -:Undertaker:-;

Yes, they'll be added back for sure including the likes of the Chesterfield Sofas etc.

I've sent a PM back about categories so I can add them back asap as soon as we know how we're going forwards.


To help along I've just found a few more that should be added as soon as possible.

Bolt Of Zeus
(The) Golden Tablet
ads_campguitar
Currency items that aren't standard (Rubies, Sapphires, Crowns etc.)
Mystic Duck/Exec ICM perhaps?
Robot Dinosaur
All Crackable Eggs
etc.

Just trying to help :D. There are probably a lot more.

Indeed, shall bring back as soon as possible once categorisations are sorted.

No doubt I will miss some though, so within next few days i'll open a public thread asking what items should be added back. In reply to others comments about some seasonal ranges, perhaps some could be made permanent... that's certainly an option.

[HE-Joshua]

Last time I was in rare values (years ago though) the manager just told us to copy values off the MP lol, which I do find a bit pointless for most items
Definitely but for historical value and trends is essential for traders and people who just want to buy furni at the right price.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Just an update guys -

Myself and General Management are just checking whether what we have in mind for the categories is workable and if so then it'll start within days: I know some of you are asking for certain items (teleporters for example) to return and as soon as I know the future structure of the categories - which will, if plan are approved, be a new useful feature - then I will re-add those items you've been asking for. :)

Any seasonal/misc items of high value/interest that you'd like re-adding within the next week? Post them below xx

[Samantha]

Sorry, it's been around 2 weeks since the 'reform' and I understand you were removing items, but it would have just been more simple to begin by renaming categories before messing with anything on view. I've had countless people massing on Habbo about how Habbox Rare Values are now ruined and they may as well set up their own site to at least value a better range of items. I understand it's a massive job to take on, and most of your staff have resigned, but the reason some of them have resigned is because of this reform and the way you've gone about it.

The teleports category shouldn't have even been touched because there isn't a solid value on client for them - they can't be put in the Market Place and Habbox had that unique feature to it, now it doesn't. It may sound over dramatic, but it seems Dan that as long as it is 'rare' to you then it stays. Why not research what rares are worth keeping and what aren't? As at the moment, you are missing so many key items and because of that people are looking elsewhere or trying to get valid values for items. The arcane super rares didn't need to be touched, they could have easily gone in a category whereby the value could have been easily updated - there have been a few sales of poster_0_name but is there any point in us reporting them anymore when they're not even on the site?

I understand that it's a reform, but I don't think you've gone the right way about it - why start messing with the front end when the back hasn't been complete? I knew the reform was coming, but I at least thought more time and effort would have been put in as frankly it wouldn't have needed a feedback thread, well not one as negative as this.

There are items on the site not released, why are they on when they serve no purpose currently? A Wiki or site page could be made to list them all, or something similar as they're just taking priority over items needing to be there
there.

I don't agree with your more recent post either - high value seasonal/misc? Guess my opinion, and others doesn't matter as there are items rarely traded yet they're not high value. I don't see why we should just suggest the high value ones because more players will go to the Market Place for the price. You do need the items like Stately Roofs, Royal Tea Lady, Union Jack Sofas stuff like that. Not only the misc rares, but supers that are getting harder to come by, Crackable Eggs, Pinatas, the Pinata Guitars, the Army Plasto.

It would have made sense to get asking what people would like before now. I understand you may be busy, but it seems a lot isn't getting done currently. There aren't many rare values staff anymore, they all have reasons for resigning though, why should they be expected to do the work if some aren't pulling their weight or setting an example.

Sorry, it seems like an unfair rant, but you've been in the position a long time now and it's frankly not getting better. It's early days for the reform understandably. However, I just hope that when this is finally sorted correctly that you still have users for it.

This isn't anything against you Dan, it's more I don't think people agree how the reform has been done, me included.

I do have a question, we're rare values staff told about this before it went live?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Sorry, it's been around 2 weeks since the 'reform' and I understand you were removing items, but it would have just been more simple to begin by renaming categories before messing with anything on view. I've had countless people massing on Habbo about how Habbox Rare Values are now ruined and they may as well set up their own site to at least value a better range of items. I understand it's a massive job to take on, and most of your staff have resigned, but the reason some of them have resigned is because of this reform and the way you've gone about it.

It has been two weeks since reforms had been announced yes..... and what? If you would like the task to be done within 24 hours then I am afraid I simply cannot fit that in: namely because how we're going forwards is being finalised (and General Management have other issues to look at, as well as their own lives to run) along with the fact I have just spent the last two or three weeks seeing family, hosting friends from other countries in my house and starting my third year in university. In any case, the scale of the task isn't possible to carry out within a day.


The teleports category shouldn't have even been touched because there isn't a solid value on client for them - they can't be put in the Market Place and Habbox had that unique feature to it, now it doesn't. It may sound over dramatic, but it seems Dan that as long as it is 'rare' to you then it stays.

And items which have been removed but users feel should return, will return when the structure of categories are decided (which is very soon, a PM away if all goes well). Will the world end in the meantime? No. Have I said anywhere here that what had been removed for now or how the categories are ordered now is how it is going to be from now on? No.

I have purposely been flexible as with my post above asking you all for what items you would like to see return over the next few days. Instead of asking me to write out yet more fruitless paragraphs and plans rather than getting on with the job at hand, would it not be better to actually suggest items you think should be returned as I have asked?


Why not research what rares are worth keeping and what aren't? As at the moment, you are missing so many key items and because of that people are looking elsewhere or trying to get valid values for items. The arcane super rares didn't need to be touched, they could have easily gone in a category whereby the value could have been easily updated - there have been a few sales of poster_0_name but is there any point in us reporting them anymore when they're not even on the site?

If I did as you suggested and 'researched' every rare item - thousands of them - then we would never actually get to reforming the department and it'd just be all talk just as it has been for years and years. Even if I were able to research every single item and then begin reforms and dropping some items, I would still have criticism coming my way that I had missed out item X, Y or Z.

Less talk on Habbox, more action.


I understand that it's a reform, but I don't think you've gone the right way about it - why start messing with the front end when the back hasn't been complete? I knew the reform was coming, but I at least thought more time and effort would have been put in as frankly it wouldn't have needed a feedback thread, well not one as negative as this.

In other words, why don't we keep talking about reform instead of actually carrying it out?

Most big 'plans' on Habbox in my experience have tended to be just lines and paragraphs full of talk, but in the end they very rarely end up being carried out. Plans are doomed more or less to fail, especially grand plans *cough V7*.

Reforms are being carried out. We can either help with that process by suggesting missing items, like i've suggested or we can keep adding to the workload by talking about including the Wiki (itself a mammoth task which would entail hundreds of new pages being created with paragraphs of text), endless 'research' on thousands of items and arguing the toss in this thread.

Which is better? I would prefer to just get on with it.


There are items on the site not released, why are they on when they serve no purpose currently? A Wiki or site page could be made to list them all, or something similar as they're just taking priority over items needing to be there
there.

And that is something that can be done in the future in regards to the Wiki. Both Laura and Chippiewill have ideas in mind for this, but this really isn't something that can be done with a snap of the fingers let alone by both departments: you only this week asked me to return to the Content Department which suggests you're struggling with Wiki content as it is - do you really think it wise to drop a huge mammoth task of work on both yourself and myself, one that could take months?


I don't agree with your more recent post either - high value seasonal/misc? Guess my opinion, and others doesn't matter as there are items rarely traded yet they're not high value. I don't see why we should just suggest the high value ones because more players will go to the Market Place for the price. You do need the items like Stately Roofs, Royal Tea Lady, Union Jack Sofas stuff like that. Not only the misc rares, but supers that are getting harder to come by, Crackable Eggs, Pinatas, the Pinata Guitars, the Army Plasto.

Not solely high value.

I have said a few times that items of historical or unique interest will be re-included in the values.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=814471


We will also retain items such as the Romantique Clock which although belong in Misc groupings of furniture, retain such a level of value and interest that they are worth keeping on our pages.... the same applies to the likes of the Chesterfield Sofas.

...seems a pretty simple concept to me.


It would have made sense to get asking what people would like before now. I understand you may be busy, but it seems a lot isn't getting done currently. There aren't many rare values staff anymore, they all have reasons for resigning though, why should they be expected to do the work if some aren't pulling their weight or setting an example.

We did. We carried out a survey..... in 2013. Luke (Mr-Trainor) wrote out a plan for reform too.

So again, we're now actually doing something about it rather than more talk and more paragraphs, most of which are demanding that Habbox Rare Values continue to value thousands of rares: something that we can't do as had been explained.

We're not binning all these items for the fun of it or to purposely annoy people. We're doing it because we have to.


Sorry, it seems like an unfair rant, but you've been in the position a long time now and it's frankly not getting better. It's early days for the reform understandably. However, I just hope that when this is finally sorted correctly that you still have users for it.

This isn't anything against you Dan, it's more I don't think people agree how the reform has been done, me included.

Reform has been talked about now for years and nothing was done.

It is being done now.


I do have a question, we're rare values staff told about this before it went live?

Yes.

In weekly reports, in a public thread, in a thread in the staff forum and in a Private Message to all RV staff + General Management.

If you can get me a slot on the BBC News at 6 o'clock too i'd be delighted.


I do ask though for those who use our value pages that they please bare with us over the next few weeks as many items will be moving around on the pages, categories will be disappearing and everything will basically be up the wall.

I will keep you updated on when the reforms are completed and when we reach the next stage.

I posted that in the public announcement.

We're now onto the next stage as the structure for the new categories are being finalised with General Management, which is why I just posted for people to start suggesting items to bring back onto the pages: help which is more than welcome.

....you just posted this on my profile page -


I do think it'd work as long as items that do definitely need to be on are there.

Is that not what I just made clear and asked for in my post I made earlier?

Why do you think I am asking people for suggestions of items of interest to be returned to the pages? For fun?

[Lewis]

Why on earth would you even bother removing seasonal and teleports though? They should remain categories...

And I don't know if this is how you did it, but why not remove things step by step? First items located in the catalog (excluding some specific items commonly traded & change in value), then any worthless items that have known values and don't change in price, and so on!

Don't just remove every category you first see lmao!

[MKR&*42]

Why on earth would you even bother removing seasonal and teleports though? They should remain categories...

And I don't know if this is how you did it, but why not remove things step by step? First items located in the catalog (excluding some specific items commonly traded & change in value), then any worthless items that have known values and don't change in price, and so on!

He just removed whole categories which explains why a lot of teleports vanished as they were in the ''unnecessary''/removed categories such as Accessories, can't explain for seasonals though :P

[lawrawrrr]

Just because categories have been removed, it absolutely does not mean theyre staying that way. Some of the items mentioned in this thread, as well as some more that have been brought up privately, will be going back on the system - but categorised in a different way. This will take a little while though as we'll have to do it all manually!

[Lewis]

Just because categories have been removed, it absolutely does not mean theyre staying that way. Some of the items mentioned in this thread, as well as some more that have been brought up privately, will be going back on the system - but categorised in a different way. This will take a little while though as we'll have to do it all manually!

Is it not possible to make changes but not make them public until they are complete? Then do any suggestions then?

I'm not an expert when it comes to making sites, so I don't know if it's possible for that lol

[lawrawrrr]

Is it not possible to make changes but not make them public until they are complete? Then do any suggestions then?

I'm not an expert when it comes to making sites, so I don't know if it's possible for that lol
Not when it comes to changing the categories - not without duplicating furni anyway (which I don't know if you can do). It is easier this way, in the long term.

[DJ_Shadow]

This might have already been brought up, but the I noticed the following Super Rares are missing:

Amber Floor Rug (http://habboxwiki.com/Amber_Floor_Rug) (400c)
Army Plasto Chair (http://habboxwiki.com/Army_Plasto_Chair) (450c)

These are *never* in the marketplace (also no averages) and Habbox was the only place with any value for them.

I suggest a new 'Arcane Rares' (http://habboxwiki.com/Arcane_Rares) category, as they don't seem to fit into any of the current ones. The 'Parasol' (http://habbox.com/#!/Rares/view/Parasol) listed in the new 'Antique Rares' (http://habbox.com/#!/Rares/Category/Antique Rares) (Classical Rares?) category would be more suited here, as it wasn't released until much later in 2008.

[Lewis]

Could always have a scripted furni section for the likes of army plasto chair. (basically what he said above)

[MKR&*42]

Scripted furniture wouldnt be such a bad idea; aloe vera, the blue + yellow pods would also have to be added into that too.

[-:Undertaker:-]

An update here guys regarding the categories... http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=815298&p=8277749#post8277749

All help is appreciated in that thread if you can assist us.. the more suggestions the quicker it can be completed. Any suggestions that are within the guidelines I will +rep you for and find immediately and move them into the new categories.

[lRhyss]

An update here guys regarding the categories... http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=815298&p=8277749#post8277749

All help is appreciated in that thread if you can assist us.. the more suggestions the quicker it can be completed. Any suggestions that are within the guidelines I will +rep you for and find immediately and move them into the new categories.

Shouldn't it be

10-30
31-50
51-70
71-90

or w/e

you cant really do it like:

10-30
30-50

etc...

then if you have something worth 50c, it would appear in 2 categories

[Chippiewill]

Pretty stupid idea to change the categories to credit values. I've seen the source code for the rare values panel, it would take ten minutes to add a price filter.

[Kyle]

Pricing categories only hinder those lookin manually for values. If you come across an item of furniture that you don't know the price of you don't want to be scrolling trough sections, you want to identify it's furni range and go from there. Some furni ranges hae vastly spread pricing too. Silly


~~from phone

[lawrawrrr]

Leaving furni categories didn't really make much sense when some would only have a few things in: this does make sense, to me and the other AGMs anyway. Most people aren't looking through categories, they're looking for exact prices. Or something in their price range - which this system makes more sense to.

The reason we've done it through renaming categories rather than a price filter is because it was my suggestion - I don't know anything about how it's set up so couldn't suggest alternatives like the price filter and didn't even know it was possible: wasn't suggested by anyone who does have access so they obviously think this way is best anyway.

Prices changing doesn't matter as they'll be done more quickly on the new system which has less furni on it TO update.

We're not losing information, we're utilising the wiki for all the other things like furni ranges, and hopefully we'll be able to integrate it in a bit better within v6 - but with the new site, definitely.

[Samantha]

I remember back when Dan/Luke were there when I was a Head Rare Values Reporter, I remember it was mentioned about categorising by value, but this was when the amount of furniture was smaller.

I'll reply more perhaps when I'm home, but basing is on price I don't believe is the way forward. You aren't catering for everyone which I think you should do with it being a reform. Many might go on just for the price, but there are people who go on for furniture names, images and the like. I know I go on to find out names AND values and now it's going to be near impossible to do without searching 1 letter at a time.

It's not really hard to categorise them further, just look at the Wiki and look at the navboxes/categories on there we have, if you have a few items similar that could fit in the same category - put them together? Think of a name and I think it'd look better than sorting by price.

[Lewis]

I think it'd be nice to still have some main categories alongside that, such as classic supers, ltds, etc

not loads, but some. I can see it being useful but I don't think all furniture categories should be scrapped.

[lawrawrrr]

Well if it's possible to have a price filter as well?

Thing is some furni people can't define WHAT it is as there's no strict definitions afaik. Also there's some odd bits and bobs that wouldn't fit in one of them, that just aren't traded as much but are still Norms etc

The information on the wiki has very detailed portals for rares, supers, arcades etc and I don't see what benefit there is of keeping it on the site too. Unless it's a quick guide page or something?




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[HE-Joshua]

Why do you have feedback threads, just to fend off anything useful such as people that actively use it what a joke i demand a new rares value manager.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Why do you have feedback threads, just to fend off anything useful such as people that actively use it what a joke i demand a new rares value manager.

This feedback thread wasn't made or mandated by myself of General Management, so what are you talking about?

In any case, many of the comments appear to be asking for us to retain thousands of items which we've said we cannot do. So.... yeah.

[DJ_Shadow]

This feedback thread wasn't made or mandated by myself of General Management, so what are you talking about?

In any case, many of the comments appear to be asking for us to retain thousands of items which we've said we cannot do. So.... yeah.

I understand the reason why you have decided to remove thousands of normal items, commonly traded on the market, that are only worth a couple of credits. But on your system you are still missing a considerable amount of high value items and due to their rarity seldom traded on the Habbo marketplace. For instance most of the old Ecotron prizes are close to worthless, so fine - exclude them. However other Ecotron items like the Pear Tree which are not often traded and can sell for around 500c you have chosen to remove on the grounds that they don't fit in. This is the same with the Plasto range, your department has only chosen to keep the LTD Plasto and the HC Plasto (worthless) - yet the Army Plasto Chair has somewhat vanished. Prior to this reform Habbox was exclusively the only place anyone could find a value (up to date or not) for such items, this was your absolute advantage over the marketplace which, to an extent, you have let down.

I'm finding it increasingly frustrating when I attempt to search for a legitimate Rare item on your database and nothing shows up and then have to try and find a value elsewhere. I know you might not have had enough people in the department to constantly update the volume of items there were, and that is a good reason for reform. But it is the rarest items that are most infrequently traded and do not need as much maintenance as the more common items. So what is the harm of keeping them?

[lawrawrrr]

I understand the reason why you have decided to remove thousands of normal items, commonly traded on the market, that are only worth a couple of credits. But on your system you are still missing a considerable amount of high value items and due to their rarity seldom traded on the Habbo marketplace. For instance most of the old Ecotron prizes are close to worthless, so fine - exclude them. However other Ecotron items like the Pear Tree which are not often traded and can sell for around 500c you have chosen to remove on the grounds that they don't fit in. This is the same with the Plasto range, your department has only chosen to keep the LTD Plasto and the HC Plasto (worthless) - yet the Army Plasto Chair has somewhat vanished. Prior to this reform Habbox was exclusively the only place anyone could find a value (up to date or not) for such items, this was your absolute advantage over the marketplace which, to an extent, you have let down.

I'm finding it increasingly frustrating when I attempt to search for a legitimate Rare item on your database and nothing shows up and then have to try and find a value elsewhere. I know you might not have had enough people in the department to constantly update the volume of items there were, and that is a good reason for reform. But it is the rarest items that are most infrequently traded and do not need as much maintenance as the more common items. So what is the harm of keeping them?
We should be putting back a lot of the higher value ones! I'm not exactly a trading expert myself but if a few people like yourself, Sam, Zak, etc, let us know what's missing and what probably should be on there we'll definitely get someone to add it back :)

[-:Undertaker:-]

I understand the reason why you have decided to remove thousands of normal items, commonly traded on the market, that are only worth a couple of credits. But on your system you are still missing a considerable amount of high value items and due to their rarity seldom traded on the Habbo marketplace. For instance most of the old Ecotron prizes are close to worthless, so fine - exclude them. However other Ecotron items like the Pear Tree which are not often traded and can sell for around 500c you have chosen to remove on the grounds that they don't fit in. This is the same with the Plasto range, your department has only chosen to keep the LTD Plasto and the HC Plasto (worthless) - yet the Army Plasto Chair has somewhat vanished. Prior to this reform Habbox was exclusively the only place anyone could find a value (up to date or not) for such items, this was your absolute advantage over the marketplace which, to an extent, you have let down.

I'm finding it increasingly frustrating when I attempt to search for a legitimate Rare item on your database and nothing shows up and then have to try and find a value elsewhere. I know you might not have had enough people in the department to constantly update the volume of items there were, and that is a good reason for reform. But it is the rarest items that are most infrequently traded and do not need as much maintenance as the more common items. So what is the harm of keeping them?

Indeed, I did make a thread asking for public help with these missing items but checking now it appears to have gone missing (Habbox data crashes?). Hmm, well you've already helped us there (and a +rep for that) and i'll make another public thread for any help.

Maybe I could see about giving out prizes for every ten items people can help us with that are missing. I'll find out.

[Samantha]

Indeed, I did make a thread asking for public help with these missing items but checking now it appears to have gone missing (Habbox data crashes?). Hmm, well you've already helped us there (and a +rep for that) and i'll make another public thread for any help.

Maybe I could see about giving out prizes for every ten items people can help us with that are missing. I'll find out.

You mean the one about 7 down in Anything About Trading and Furni?

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=815297

Or this one? http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=815298&highlight=rare+values

[-:Undertaker:-]

You mean the one about 7 down in Anything About Trading and Furni?

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=815297

Or this one? http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=815298&highlight=rare+values

That's the one.

Ill put out (another) announcement for help.

[Kyle]

better to have too many items in the database than not enough because it drives traffic away. reinstate them all.

[Mr-Trainor]

Just to clarify, were items removed from public view or removed completely from the system? Either way, why weren't they all just left on the system whether they're valued or not?

[MKR&*42]

Just to clarify, were items removed from public view or removed completely from the system? Either way, why weren't they all just left on the system whether they're valued or not?

When i was RvFE i could still find items on the habbox site using the URL and entering the furniture name, but I don't seem to be able to do that now w/o my perms

[Samantha]

Just to clarify, were items removed from public view or removed completely from the system? Either way, why weren't they all just left on the system whether they're valued or not?

They're still on the system in the back end just not for public view.

[Mr-Trainor]

When i was RvFE i could still find items on the habbox site using the URL and entering the furniture name, but I don't seem to be able to do that now w/o my perms
Yeah, that was always the case since the system came out in 2008 (has it really been that long?!) or whenever it was, and items could never be deleted so they'd be put in a hidden category and have their name removed otherwise it's mess up the results if items had the same names etc. I'd be very surprised if that's been fixed now.


They're still on the system in the back end just not for public view.
Ah ok, but why not leave everything in public view for reference purposes and for what Kyle; said too. Otherwise it kind of defeats the whole tagging idea which was supposedly going to be in v7 (is v7 still an ongoing project?). Anyway, if you haven't already noticed I'm not on much and haven't been following everything lately but in terms of the Rare Values reform I'm assuming it's not fully complete yet. I just had a look at the site and when I went to Limited Edition Rares the category was empty :S.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yeah, that was always the case since the system came out in 2008 (has it really been that long?!) or whenever it was, and items could never be deleted so they'd be put in a hidden category and have their name removed otherwise it's mess up the results if items had the same names etc. I'd be very surprised if that's been fixed now.

If you're talking about what I think you are talking about (likes of the Pillows/ICMs with different names?) I have renamed those items purely so they come up with the rest of them on the search bar. For example, White Pillows & Green ICMs never showed up with the rest because they had different names.. so i've edited the names to include 'pillow' or 'ice cream'.

Not ideal of course but it's the value that counts ultimately.


Ah ok, but why not leave everything in public view for reference purposes and for what Kyle; said too. Otherwise it kind of defeats the whole tagging idea which was supposedly going to be in v7 (is v7 still an ongoing project?). Anyway, if you haven't already noticed I'm not on much and haven't been following everything lately but in terms of the Rare Values reform I'm assuming it's not fully complete yet. I just had a look at the site and when I went to Limited Edition Rares the category was empty :S.

We did discuss making some sort of archieve before the reforms and this would still be possible in some manner considering all the items are there but hidden, but I strayed away from going for a joint-content/RV project tied with reforms because such a content project would be huge and would probably mean we'd never get around to it as with many such plans.

Laura is keen on branching the department to fulfil other roles too in the near future.