undertaker scams

[scottish]

Like 2 months ago, Undertaker gave away something like 20k tokens yet somehow he's still #2 most tokens with 26.9k

were they never removed?

[Red]

they said they gave them but never took his?
but i won like 10k from hxss and that comp so I thought I should have been on like 20k!!

[scottish]

wait what, so I can do a competition and give away my tokens, then speak them into not taking my tokens off me lol

[lawrawrrr]

He ran the competition expecting to give away his own tokens as there was so many but from what I can gather Matthew said that he didn't have to give up his own as it was a department competition.

[jesus]

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[Chris]

I'm not sure what happened here. I was very specific when Dan asked that it was to come from his own tokens and that it was to be a one off for HxSS...

[xxMATTGxx]

It's the samovar values all over again!

[Inseriousity.]

With it being such a high amount, as much as I think Dan is unfairly treated on here sometimes (is there some bandwagon to hate him lol), it should've really been taken away from him or at least enough of an amount that would 'boost' the competition prize from what would've been the norm prize for a competition like that. By sounds of it, it wasn't really a choice of Dan's but a nice gesture from Matthew :)

[lawrawrrr]

20,000 is a lot to inject into the forum's economy at once though! I just suggested we do a cap or guideline for events for the future.

[Inseriousity.]

oh god another rep quota. #memories

[-:Undertaker:-]

He ran the competition expecting to give away his own tokens as there was so many but from what I can gather Matthew said that he didn't have to give up his own as it was a department competition.

This, added to the fact it was a one-off for the 10th birthday of Habbox Rare Values which is why I proposed in the first place. :)

[lawrawrrr]

oh god another rep quota. #memories
NOT QUOTA god i hated that but a CAP per event

aka don't give out 2 years vip

[Inseriousity.]

but that doesn't happen anyway. It'd be like making a rule for no reason than to have a rule. Creating rules based on an unrepresentative sample doesn't seem very wise to me. Personally, I've always thought a prize can be as big as it wants but managers/AGMs can be trusted to be sensible to know where to draw the line and if you want to go any higher than that line then you need to 'donate' it yourself rather than it being artificially added so at least there is some balance there. It seems to have been the case here until it slipped through the net.

In short, no need for a cap when managers already implement their own.

[jesus]

aka don't give out 2 years vip


should all this be being discussed in public forums?

[lawrawrrr]

but that doesn't happen anyway. It'd be like making a rule for no reason than to have a rule. Creating rules based on an unrepresentative sample doesn't seem very wise to me. Personally, I've always thought a prize can be as big as it wants but managers/AGMs can be trusted to be sensible to know where to draw the line and if you want to go any higher than that line then you need to 'donate' it yourself rather than it being artificially added so at least there is some balance there. It seems to have been the case here until it slipped through the net.

In short, no need for a cap when managers already implement their own.

we usually would step in if a prize is too much and people often discuss their prize beforehand and told if its too much (like Chris PMed Dan to tell him that 20k tokens was too much before the event, but it wasn't followed through on).

We always get managers asking us what prize is appropriate for their event, especially big ones!

[Inseriousity.]

Yes that's true so a cap is even more unnecessary!

[Samantha]

but that doesn't happen anyway. It'd be like making a rule for no reason than to have a rule. Creating rules based on an unrepresentative sample doesn't seem very wise to me. Personally, I've always thought a prize can be as big as it wants but managers/AGMs can be trusted to be sensible to know where to draw the line and if you want to go any higher than that line then you need to 'donate' it yourself rather than it being artificially added so at least there is some balance there. It seems to have been the case here until it slipped through the net.

In short, no need for a cap when managers already implement their own.

I'm pretty sure the Competitions Department gave around 2 1/2 years worth of VIP for one competition when the baftas or Oscars or something was on. Perhaps a rule doesn't necessarily need to be written down, but it's just common sense not to go over the top.

[Chippiewill]

aka don't give out 2 years vip

Unless you're running an internal department event. In which case Matt will give you the all clear to give out as much VIP as you want. Case in point: I gave out something like three years of VIP as content manager in one go for a bunch of work which still isn't (And might never be) publicly viewable.

[scottish]

Unless you're running an internal department event. In which case Matt will give you the all clear to give out as much VIP as you want. Case in point: I gave out something like three years of VIP as content manager in one go for a bunch of work which still isn't (And might never be) publicly viewable.

what was it

[Chippiewill]

what was it
Matt and Recursion told me V7 was going to be released within 7 days and every page needed updating and moving across.

[scottish]

How long ago was that lol

[lawrawrrr]

i remember that, was back when i was content staff and skynus was assisant content manager wasn't it


but yeah even internal events we wouldnt want tons going in

[Alkaz]

Unless you're running an internal department event. In which case Matt will give you the all clear to give out as much VIP as you want. Case in point: I gave out something like three years of VIP as content manager in one go for a bunch of work which still isn't (And might never be) publicly viewable.
To me that's totally acceptable for this kind of work. I'm pretty sure that ---MAD--- gave similar amounts to Yonder for a design competition that he ran for the main site and then about a year later Yonder himself did a similar competition for a large sum of VIP, however no one entered into that particular comp..

[Chippiewill]

How long ago was that lol
August 2012.


i remember that, was back when i was content staff and skynus was assisant content manager wasn't it
Actually it was shortly before Skynus became senior, although he may as well have been asst manager since he had V7 access anyway.

[Inseriousity.]

I'm pretty sure the Competitions Department gave around 2 1/2 years worth of VIP for one competition when the baftas or Oscars or something was on. Perhaps a rule doesn't necessarily need to be written down, but it's just common sense not to go over the top.

It's still unrepresentative. A bit like picking out examples of criminal immigrants and saying IMMIGRATION IS BAD, WE MUST CLOSE OUR BORDERS. Making rules like that is just dumb. Generally speaking, managers are sensible and have enough common sense not to go over the top. Sometimes, it doesn't quite work out and things don't go as expected (a competition doing better than you'd expect, for instance) but it means the appropriate safeguards can be included if done again.

[lawrawrrr]

but how does a new manager know what is "over the top"... like I've said, we always get asked what's an appropriate prize for events.

[Chippiewill]

The easy way to do it would be with soft VIP limits. i.e. work out approximately how much VIP Habbox ought to hand out entirely per month on average (With a separate figure for site-wide events like HxSS) and then work out an approximate split per department. Then department managers are responsible for their soft allocation, they can go over or under as long as they aren't out by like double. Then special allowances can be made for deviations from this as long as it's authorised by their AGM.

[lawrawrrr]

That's basically what I meant by guidelines.

[Inseriousity.]

common sense lol trust your managers have it. they tend to ask for confirmation or because they're new and aren't really confident enough yet rather than because they need guidelines.

[lawrawrrr]

guidelines aren't rules at all, it's just an extra help. A while back we discussed in feedback management GUIDES - we're not telling them what to do, but offering help and advice. I don't understand how or why you have such a negative or anti- stance against them?

[Inseriousity.]

because it's unnecessary and guidelines tend to become rules over time. writing guidelines about something that most people already know how to do (how to make toast) because of a small sample of incidents (someone burnt the toast a couple of times) is unnecessary.