Shock: New EU Members CONTRIBUTE to UK

[AgnesIO]

New EU members add £5bn to UK says researchhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29910497


Immigrants from the 10 countries which joined the EU in 2004 contributed more to the UK than they took out in benefits, according to a new study.They added £4.96bn more in taxes in the years to 2011 than they took out in public services.
That is according to the calculations of the report by University College London's Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration (http://www.cream-migration.org/files/FiscalEJ.pdf).

Apparently if you include ALL member states this is not the case (from the start of the EU), but it certainly blows the "Eastern Europeans coming here for benefits" argument right out of the water.

[FlyingJesus]

It's not a shock, anyone with eyes has known for years that the huge majority of non-asylum immigrants are more determined and harder workers than "natives"

[AgnesIO]

It's not a shock, anyone with eyes has known for years that the huge majority of non-asylum immigrants are more determined and harder workers than "natives"

I was being sarcastic.

[The Don]

Of course, although that wont stop people trying to claim otherwise.

[-:Undertaker:-]

A flawed economic argument.

Of course more immigrants (people) coming into a country will boost GDP figures and revenue simply because there's more people. If 20 million healthy Africans were brought in tomorrow who earnt £1,000 per year then GDP would recieve a 'boost' yet that doesn't describe the effect on conditions or wage brackets, especially of the poor who are hit most as they are undercut. And that's without mentioning the social costs etc.

Let's have immigration from Eastern European countries: but let's have controls on who we want and who we need.


It's not a shock, anyone with eyes has known for years that the huge majority of non-asylum immigrants are more determined and harder workers than "natives"

Or that foreign workers are able to work for such low wages because they are prepared to share houses/bedrooms with dozens in each cramped house and living conditions akin to back home in Eastern European countries, where as British workers on the other hand simply cannot afford in many cases to work on a low wage when they have a house/flat to themselves and a family to feed and bring up. Maybe that should've entered your mind before you slurred Britons essentially as lazy despite the people of this country working longer hours than most other European countries. (http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/dec/08/europe-working-hours)

Interesting though when people make a generalised claim about immigration or even a religion (we know which one) we have the usual mob saying how you can't say a huge majority are like X, yet when it comes to slagging off native British people? Hey, go right ahead!

[-:Undertaker:-]

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/11/05/Snapshot-New-immigration-report-is-written-by-expert-who-predicted-2004-influx-would-be-relatively-small

Snapshot: New Immigration Report Is Written By 'Expert' Who Predicted 2004 Influx Would Be 'Relatively Small'


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Written by Alex Wickham


Read the Guardian this morning and you will discover a new study by economists at University College London claims that European migrants give Britain a £20 billion net gain, paying far more in tax than they take in benefits.

Read the Telegraph, however, and their write up of the very same report says the very same experts found that immigration from outside of Europe cost Britain £120 billion. Lots for proponents and opponents of immigration to argue over today.

Cynics might be interested to note the identity of the lead author of today's report. Christian Dustmann also wrote the ill-judged 2003 Home Office report that played down the numbers of EU migrants that would arrive in the country. Back then the study predicted net immigration following the 2004 EU enlargement "will be relatively small, at between 5,000 and 13,000 immigrants per year up to 2010". As UKIP and the Tories love to tell us, we now know that net migration from these countries was over 80,000 per year.

Labour's pro-immigration leadership will be tempted to use today's report as evidence that they were right all along. Given that its author was the 'expert' who told them not to worry about the influx of EU migrants when they were in power - one of the main reasons the party's working class support is deserting it for UKIP - they might want to be careful. Something to think about when reading today's report, anyway.

yeah, thought something interesting to say the least would come out about this report and i've just found it.

You couldn't make this stuff up - unless you're Christian Dustmann, the BBC and the Guardian.

[FlyingJesus]

Suggesting that one group is more determined to find work than another =/= "slagging off" the latter group

And what you're saying basically supports what I said anyway - if these people are willing to work solidly and stay in what we would consider poor living conditions then that absolutely shows determination to be here and working, as opposed to claiming some inalienable right to luxury and job security

[Kardan]

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/11/05/Snapshot-New-immigration-report-is-written-by-expert-who-predicted-2004-influx-would-be-relatively-small

Snapshot: New Immigration Report Is Written By 'Expert' Who Predicted 2004 Influx Would Be 'Relatively Small'


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Written by Alex Wickham



yeah, thought something interesting to say the least would come out about this report and i've just found it.

You couldn't make this stuff up - unless you're Christian Dustmann, the BBC and the Guardian.

News just in: Get one thing wrong = Everything you say in the future is wrong.

RIP every person ever.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Suggesting that one group is more determined to find work than another =/= "slagging off" the latter group

And what you're saying basically supports what I said anyway - if these people are willing to work solidly and stay in what we would consider poor living conditions then that absolutely shows determination to be here and working, as opposed to claiming some inalienable right to luxury and job security

So in other words, if the working classes want to compete and have jobs in their own country of birth then according to you they'll just have to accept living 5 to a bedroom in a dingy flat and not having a family life. Or we could just control immigration in the first place.

I know which option will be more popular on the doorsteps.


News just in: Get one thing wrong = Everything you say in the future is wrong.

RIP every person ever.

Well when it comes to predicting the figures for immigration and everything that it affects, that actually does matter a lot - especially when the guy and the government didn't just get it 'wrong' they got it wrong by a huge margin. Even senior Labour figures now say it was a disaster, that they should apologise (whether genuine or just to counter Ukip's threat who knows) and that we now risk riots in this country.

Because boy does your side have a track record of disaster after disaster... remember being told to join the Euro? :clap::hmm:

[FlyingJesus]

So in other words, if the working classes want to compete and have jobs in their own country of birth then according to you they'll just have to accept living 5 to a bedroom in a dingy flat and not having a family life

No I'm saying that people shouldn't feel so entitled when it comes to luxuries. If they're able to live as they do while not working, getting a minimum wage job will actually (quite obviously) give them more of an income and less downtime to be spending it in, which would make them better off not force them into worse accommodation. If there are jobs you're not willing to take you can't complain when someone else does them

[-:Undertaker:-]

No I'm saying that people shouldn't feel so entitled when it comes to luxuries. If they're able to live as they do while not working, getting a minimum wage job will actually (quite obviously) give them more of an income and less downtime to be spending it in, which would make them better off not force them into worse accommodation. If there are jobs you're not willing to take you can't complain when someone else does them

I don't think people are asking for much when they ask for their government to enact some form of control over the borders and the low skilled labour markets, nor do I think it too much to have companies raise wages during boom years (2000 to 2008) if British people cannot afford to work for such low wages when they have rent to pay and young families to raise. Not everybody can go to university and be a Doctor.

[FlyingJesus]

Ok but that's not what I said. I said that a minimum wage job pays more than not working at all, not some "poor people should buy more money" sort of quote