Are men being villainized on social media?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Are men being villainized on social media?


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In recent months and weeks, two viral videos have been sent out apparently showing how women are being persecuted by men: one with compliments/being asked out on a New York street, to another reportedly of a drunk woman being taken advantage of by men when drunk. But is this social media campaign that you see over Facebook, Twitter and Tumblr unfairly villainizing one sex over the other?

In recent years, feminist movements have even come to consider men holding doors open for women (a common show of kindness) or calling them words like 'dear' as sexist and wrong. Indeed, the same for what constitutes rape: is taking advantage of a drunk girl rape even if she says yes at the time? And if so, why is this never presented as the other way round?

Generally, as a discussion think of the broader picture: do you think feminism has legit points to contribute to the modern-day debate or do you think it has run it's course?


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[FlyingJesus]

In the Western world there is no place for feminism; all it does (note does, not says) in modern times is act against equality by vilifying men and forcing legal and societal changes that actually create inequality themselves. There are absolutely zero rights that Western women do not have that men do, but the opposite is absolutely true and yet feminists still want to play the eternal victim and claim to be a minority. The video of the woman walking around was a few minutes cut from TEN HOURS of otherwise silent footage and manufactured to show the response that she was wanting - literally manufacturing victimhood. The male version of it yielded the exact same results (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75aX9mlipiY&), but instead of accepting that as a problem of any kind, feminists are falling over themselves trying to make excuses as to why it's not as bad when it happens to men, which is emblematic of their entire agenda really.

[buttons]

yes they definitely are. the danger is that focusing on males as 'rapists' and 'murderers' takes away the fear from the harmful women out there. feminism also takes responsibility away from the **** things females do, such as when girls shame you for your body, it's said to be the males fault for creating the standard of beauty.

oh and about that video of the drunk girl being taken advantage of, apparently the guys were told to act how they did (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/drunk-girl-viral-hoax-video-785463). not sure how legit that source is but it wouldn't surprise me and the fact tumblr and twitter feminists are spreading it around without even checking their sources and facts is literally the epitome of the movement.

honestly feminism spoke to me to begin with until i saw the hypocrisy and how exclusionary it really is.
they forget that men can and do do great things. they forget that for every man 'raping' them, there a million more men out there risking their lives to help.

[dbgtz]

Unfortunately, it's starting to go well beyond social media now as demonstrated with the recent shirt debacle where a bit of fabric clouded the landing on the comet. I was browsing a charity called Women In Prison too not long ago after reading about a Scottish women's prison which will be a hell of a lot more positive experience than standard prisons to the point you could call it a holiday, and apparently women having 5% of the prison population and shorter sentences is discriminating against women, it's honestly a joke. Feminism is turning into something toxic where when something bad for women, it's sexist but when it's bad for men, it's well deserved.

It's worth pointing out it is just a small group of loud people who are doing this for the most part, but there are other groups which extend beyond a simple sex divide too. I follow a lot of comments on "inequality" and "discrimination" where it's sexist to not find a fat woman attractive but it's fine for her to not find fat men attractive or where it's simply murder to dress up as something non fictional or something stereotypical for Halloween because it's "appropriating culture". It genuinely worries me how many people cry at the littlest thing they do not like that nobody will be allowed to do anything in the near future in fear offending someone when they didn't reasonably believe they could.

[Kyle]

Women would be villainised more but there are less bad women than bad men :)


~~from phone

[Brad]

I feel as social media, no matter if it is good or bad. Someone is going to have to put a negative twist on it. Someone has something to say about something that is going on. The need to have dominance has been in our blood from the very beginning. With Feminism being bordered by these social-media drama queens. The thought of innocent act (as stated above in first post of sending out compliments, or asking some one out on the streets)causes an uproar because it shows vulnerability to the woman.

In recent years, feminist movements have even come to consider men holding doors open for women (a common show of kindness) or calling them words like 'dear' as sexist and wrong. Indeed, the same for what constitutes rape: is taking advantage of a drunk girl rape even if she says yes at the time? And if so, why is this never presented as the other way round?

I'm assuming this is a part of the second part of the first post where the drunken woman was taken advantage by men. I think that happens all around the world, and most of the time in that state- women, like men, get horny and they are not in the state of mind to make decisions (like having sex with someone). Is that rape? I would side with yes, but again I think there are circumstances around this that need to be taken into consideration;
1. Did she get herself drunk
2. Did she come onto him
3. Was he drinking

That's just my thoughts, just thought I'd stir this up a bit.

[dbgtz]

I feel as social media, no matter if it is good or bad. Someone is going to have to put a negative twist on it. Someone has something to say about something that is going on. The need to have dominance has been in our blood from the very beginning. With Feminism being bordered by these social-media drama queens. The thought of innocent act (as stated above in first post of sending out compliments, or asking some one out on the streets)causes an uproar because it shows vulnerability to the woman.


I'm assuming this is a part of the second part of the first post where the drunken woman was taken advantage by men. I think that happens all around the world, and most of the time in that state- women, like men, get horny and they are not in the state of mind to make decisions (like having sex with someone). Is that rape? I would side with yes, but again I think there are circumstances around this that need to be taken into consideration;
1. Did she get herself drunk
2. Did she come onto him
3. Was he drinking

That's just my thoughts, just thought I'd stir this up a bit.

If a person "takes advantage" of another who is drunk but is consenting, you're saying you think that is rape? I'm going to have to disagree just because there is an element of consent. It might be a crime in it's own right (especially if they seek to get the person intoxicated with the intention of sex), but not rape. I find it funny that you essentially proved Undertaker's final statement by only presenting it one way around. The issue of rape to a male is a much more pressing one that needs to be discussed further, from a legal and social point of view.

[peteyt]

The problem is a lot of feminists talk about equal rights but they seem to want more than equal. There was talk about women getting more money than men at one point but really people should be paid on their jobs and skills rather than their sex. As to the whole rape thing - people go out get drunk and have sex its normal and has gone on for years. If both the people are drunk and go with it at the time surely they are both in the wrong but yet the male seems to always be marked as the criminal in this case.

It's like the old saying men should never hit a women - Why? Surely no one should hit anyone. I have to point out I'm not promoting violence in any way and would never hit a women but if a women can hit a man then surely it works the same way. It reminds me years ago about a Yahoo answer question about a girl asking if she was in the right - she threw water at a boy and he threw it back and it was all about the unwritten rules that he shouldn't have done anything back. Luckily most told her it works both ways.

You also get females on Jeremy Kyle who have cheated and try to make themselves look like the victim usually with Jeremy thankfully pointing out that if was the other way around she'd expect the guy to be branded as a cheat and a bad person

[MKR&*42]

If a person "takes advantage" of another who is drunk but is consenting, you're saying you think that is rape?

This is kind of going off on a tangent, but this did remind me of a study done by a magazine in the 70s or 80s (can't recall) actually counted a situation where;

- Woman consents to sex night before even though she is drunk
- Woman wakes up regretting the decision

As rape, which led to a massively overexaggerated statistic for how many women on average get raped each year. I think the study was revised/redone later on and that inconsistency was corrected though :P Just a bit of random trivia.
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As for the topic at hand, feminism has almost no place in the western world and I fail to see why people see the feminist movement as a valid and 'fair' one.

[FlyingJesus]

I believe that's the campus rape study by Mary Koss (1985) and it still gets quoted by feminists even though she called a massive number of participants rape victims despite their denial that they were such - she invented her own definitions and went from that. In her results, she notes that being given a drink by a male is an "attempted rape". The figures taken from this farcical study are, as noted, still touted by modern feminists who love to spit out numbers without knowing where they actually come from or what they really represent and purely add to paranoia

[dbgtz]

This is kind of going off on a tangent, but this did remind me of a study done by a magazine in the 70s or 80s (can't recall) actually counted a situation where;

- Woman consents to sex night before even though she is drunk
- Woman wakes up regretting the decision

As rape, which led to a massively overexaggerated statistic for how many women on average get raped each year. I think the study was revised/redone later on and that inconsistency was corrected though :P Just a bit of random trivia.
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As for the topic at hand, feminism has almost no place in the western world and I fail to see why people see the feminist movement as a valid and 'fair' one.

Interesting...

Off on another tangent, that reminds me of this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J8Uw9uHu1g&feature=player_detailpage#t=2556) moment on Question Time.

[Collegno]

Oh dear, am I a little late to the party?

Okay. Welp, I was expecting to come on here and be the only guy saying 'Yes', but, since I don't particularly want to play Devil's Advocate any more than I want to reinforce what's already been said...

If having consensual sex with an intoxicated woman is to be classed as 'rape', then to what lengths do we extend that definition? It seems that the issue at hand is that someone who is drunk can't always make particularly wise choices; while I'm not disputing that fact, having partaken of a certain amber liquid to excess myself, surely this state of mind isn't limited to those who imbibe alcohol? There are some people who, whilst in a 'sober' state of mind, still make abominable choices with regards to their sexual partners. Some people are emotionally fragile. Some people might be more eager to please someone sexually due to previous mental trauma; would we really be willing to classify a man who, unknowingly, sleeps with one of the latter cases as a 'rapist'? I think that would be an incredible lapse in judgment.

Also, not that I don't expect a reply to the above point, but I wish to mention two other things:

1. A woman cannot be found guilty of rape, firstly, at least in the United Kingdom. It is a male-specific offence.

2. Recently, after Shia LaBeouf (who I personally dislike, but hey-ho) made it known that he had been 'raped' by a female at an art exhibition, who had removed her clothing and performed some sort of act upon him, to the distress of both her partner and Shia's own...Piers Morgan made a point of saying that he had not been raped, and that for him to say he had been cheapened the cases of (women) who had ACTUALLY been raped. Personally, I'd make the claim that the feminist movement is cheapening it enough themselves, especially with the above case of classifying the buying of a drink for a girl as 'attempted rape'.

Your thoughts?

[buttons]

If having consensual sex with an intoxicated woman is to be classed as 'rape', then to what lengths do we extend that definition? It seems that the issue at hand is that someone who is drunk can't always make particularly wise choices; while I'm not disputing that fact, having partaken of a certain amber liquid to excess myself, surely this state of mind isn't limited to those who imbibe alcohol? There are some people who, whilst in a 'sober' state of mind, still make abominable choices with regards to their sexual partners. Some people are emotionally fragile. Some people might be more eager to please someone sexually due to previous mental trauma; would we really be willing to classify a man who, unknowingly, sleeps with one of the latter cases as a 'rapist'? I think that would be an incredible lapse in judgment.
lol if having sex whilst i'm intoxicated is rape then everyone i've slept with has raped me except one
thing with drinking alcohol is you make mistakes other than sleeping with someone you regret. you might take drugs. you might fight. you might vandalize. you might make racial slurs. saying "but i was drunk" doesn't excuse you from those crimes because you still made that decision, why is sex different?


Also, not that I don't expect a reply to the above point, but I wish to mention two other things:

1. A woman cannot be found guilty of rape, firstly, at least in the United Kingdom. It is a male-specific offence.

2. Recently, after Shia LaBeouf (who I personally dislike, but hey-ho) made it known that he had been 'raped' by a female at an art exhibition, who had removed her clothing and performed some sort of act upon him, to the distress of both her partner and Shia's own...Piers Morgan made a point of saying that he had not been raped, and that for him to say he had been cheapened the cases of (women) who had ACTUALLY been raped. Personally, I'd make the claim that the feminist movement is cheapening it enough themselves, especially with the above case of classifying the buying of a drink for a girl as 'attempted rape'.Your thoughts?
i would agree with them cheapening it.
i had a rant about how they use rape victims as a weapon against men. someone said about shia's rape "now he knows what women go through everyday." not every woman is raped and they are making it out be such a normal thing. the whole 'eye-raping' is offensive to actual rape victims or when they say "i was nearly raped" because a guy looked them up and down.
feminists pretend to care about (female) rape victims yet they don't let you recover. they continue your mistrust and hatred of men when there could be one out there that will help you recover. just my experience anyway.