Would you kill an innocent person to...

[Lewis]

1. Would you kill an innocent person to save your own life?

2. Would you kill an innocent person to save a friend's life?

3. Would you kill an innocent person to save a relative's life?

4. Would you kill an innocent person to save ten innocent people's lives?

[Matthew]

yes to all (A)

[Kyle]

Define: innocent


~~from phone

[The Don]

Depends on if there's legal repercussions or not but yes to #1 regardless

[dbgtz]

For the purpose of this, I'm going to assume they're all my age, healthy and not total **** holes

1) Yes
2) No
3) No
4) Yes

[The Don]

For the purpose of this, I'm going to assume they're all my age, healthy and not total **** holes

1) Yes
2) No
3) No
4) Yes

So you'd kill 1 person to save 10 people to then spend the rest of your life in prison?

[Alysha]

It depends on the innocent person is and what you're saving people from as well, but probably.

[dbgtz]

So you'd kill 1 person to save 10 people to then spend the rest of your life in prison?

Chances are, I wouldn't spend the rest of my life in prison. And besides, 2 wasted lives is better than 10 (again, assuming everyone is my age, healthy and not an arse).

[Lewis]

Define: innocent


~~from phone

Innocent as in they haven't caused the problem and are just as innocent as the normal every day person.

[Empired]

No. I have a weird thing about how no one should have the power to be able to choose to take someone else's life away.

1. I couldn't live with myself knowing I'd taken someone else's life away. What makes my life more important than their's anyway?
2. I have no friend close enough tbh.
3. This would be much more difficult. I think if I were actually in the situation where I could save my mum by killing someone else then I would end up doing it. Oh wait idk actually because she'd be so mad if I did. Wouldn't be difficult for any other member of family though.
4. Just no really.

[Lewis]

Depends on if there's legal repercussions or not but yes to #1 regardless

No legal issues, you'd never be caught or found out unless you wanted to be. This is more of a moral question, not a question regarding consequences.

[David]

assuming i don't know the innocent people in question;
yes,
yes,
yes,
not my problem.

[Empired]

This question reminds me of the 2009 film 'The Box'. It was crap but raised some good questions :P

[Kyle]

1. Of course. Nobody is going to offer their life for mine unless they're an idiot, in which case it's better that they die.

2. If it was my friend's decision to allow me to do so then yes.

3. Above

4. Certainly.

These are all taking into account that no other variables have been added (repercussions, type of people, et c)


~~from phone

[Lewis]

This question reminds me of the 2009 film 'The Box'. It was crap but raised some good questions :P

I've never heard of it :P

[Kyle]

This question reminds me of the 2009 film 'The Box'. It was crap but raised some good questions :P

Also one called the philosophers that came out late year and stars the beautiful ginny weasley around a different but quite similar topic


~~from phone

[Empired]

I've never heard of it :P
If you're interested I suggest u read the plot synopsis on wikipedia rather than actually watch it

[hairpins]

1. Would you kill an innocent person to save your own life?

yes

2. Would you kill an innocent person to save a friend's life?
no
3. Would you kill an innocent person to save a relative's life?
yur mum
4. Would you kill an innocent person to save ten innocent people's lives?
yes

[Shar]

I honestly don't know

[Empired]

Just out of interest for ppl who voted yes, what if the situation were reversed: someone else is choosing to kill you off to save themselves/a member of their family/a friend of their's?
Off the top of my head Kyle; hairpins; David; replied yes

Also why is whether or not they're "innocent" so important? What would u define as innocent? Surely no one is truly innocent, we've all done something wrong in life? Why do you value the lives of the "innocent" above those who are "guilty"? Does a crime such as theft make you less of a human than someone who has not stolen something?

Also Lewis; what would you do as it's your thread?

[buttons]

i don't know. what's worse for you, the guilt of killing a random person or the guilt of not saving people you love when you could have? i'd probably say the second one for me personally.

1) no i would not kill another person to save my life, i wouldn't be living much of a life after that and would probs take my own anyway
2) yeah probably.
3) again, probably.
4) nope.

[Lewis]

Just out of interest for ppl who voted yes, what if the situation were reversed: someone else is choosing to kill you off to save themselves/a member of their family/a friend of their's?
Off the top of my head @Kyle (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=30795); @hairpins (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=75478); @David (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=73895); replied yes

Also why is whether or not they're "innocent" so important? What would u define as innocent? Surely no one is truly innocent, we've all done something wrong in life? Why do you value the lives of the "innocent" above those who are "guilty"? Does a crime such as theft make you less of a human than someone who has not stolen something?

Also @Lewis (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=70869); what would you do as it's your thread?

By innocent I mean they aren't the reason that you need to make such a terrible decision and are just as innocent (or guilty) as an every day person. And no, when I say guilty I mean something beyond theft, something truly terrible and evil.

1. No
2. No
3. Maybe, although I'd never forgive myself. Thinking about it I probably wouldn't, but there's that slight chance. It'd have to be in the moment, I don't know.
4. No

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[The Don]

yes

Hairpins you dark horse!

[David]

Just out of interest for ppl who voted yes, what if the situation were reversed: someone else is choosing to kill you off to save themselves/a member of their family/a friend of their's?
Off the top of my head @Kyle (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=30795); @hairpins (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=75478); @David (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=73895); replied yes

Also why is whether or not they're "innocent" so important? What would u define as innocent? Surely no one is truly innocent, we've all done something wrong in life? Why do you value the lives of the "innocent" above those who are "guilty"? Does a crime such as theft make you less of a human than someone who has not stolen something?

Also @Lewis (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=70869); what would you do as it's your thread?

what are you asking, would i stop them from killing me? letting them/their family/friend die? assuming they're just some random, yes. if i knew who they were trying to save then i'll never know.

[Empired]

By innocent I mean they aren't the reason that you need to make such a terrible decision and are just as innocent (or guilty) as an every day person. And no, when I say guilty I mean something beyond theft, something truly terrible and evil.
Like murder? Does choosing to kill a random person not count as murder? At the very least it would be class 1 manslaughter. Does that not mean you could then be added to the list of 'evil' and 'guilty' people for others to kill off to save a member of their family/a friend/themselves?


what are you asking, would i stop them from killing me? letting them/their family/friend die? assuming they're just some random, yes. if i knew who they were trying to save then i'll never know.
No but I'm saying does the idea that you could be killed (you get no choice in the matter) for no reason other than to save a stranger not affect your answer in any way?

[David]

Like murder? Does choosing to kill a random person not count as murder? At the very least it would be class 1 manslaughter. Does that not mean you could then be added to the list of 'evil' and 'guilty' people for others to kill off to save a member of their family/a friend/themselves?


No but I'm saying does the idea that you could be killed (you get no choice in the matter) for no reason other than to save a stranger not affect your answer in any way?

oh, no, the chance of it happening to me doesn't change my original answer.

[Lewis]

Like murder? Does choosing to kill a random person not count as murder? At the very least it would be class 1 manslaughter. Does that not mean you could then be added to the list of 'evil' and 'guilty' people for others to kill off to save a member of their family/a friend/themselves?


No but I'm saying does the idea that you could be killed (you get no choice in the matter) for no reason other than to save a stranger not affect your answer in any way?

The idea of the thread is simple: Would you do the questions 1-4 to an innocent person that is not deserving in death and has never committed a crime that is of pure evil. In other words, kill someone that's just the 'every day Joe' as the saying goes.

Sure, you'd end up being classed as a murderer yourself (maybe or maybe not depending on which question, could be manslaughter depending on some views) if you did it, that's the whole point of asking this moral question.

[Empired]

oh, no, the chance of it happening to me doesn't change my original answer.
ok that's fair enough then

I think if you're willing to kill a stranger for your own benefit, you should have to accept that you could also be killed by someone else for the same reason
and if you do accept then that's fine

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The idea of the thread is simple: Would you do the questions 1-4 to an innocent person that is not deserving in death and has never committed a crime that is of pure evil. In other words, kill someone that's just the every day Joe as the saying goes.

Sure, you'd end up being classed as a murderer if you did it, that's the whole point of asking this moral question.
The problem is I believe every life has equal importance; whether you're the President of the USA, a binman, a murderer or a schoolteacher :P Therefore whether or not a person is 'innocent' is irrelevant to me.

[Kyle]

Like murder? Does choosing to kill a random person not count as murder? At the very least it would be class 1 manslaughter. Does that not mean you could then be added to the list of 'evil' and 'guilty' people for others to kill off to save a member of their family/a friend/themselves?


No but I'm saying does the idea that you could be killed (you get no choice in the matter) for no reason other than to save a stranger not affect your answer in any way?

If I have no say in the matter then it just cements my original answer. I have to assume that most people are going to save themselves over a stranger and so do so myself. Not many people would give up their life or their family/friends life so you could live yours and when it is measured as 10 v 1 a lot of people are sure as hell going to choose to save 10 ppl if only to reduce their guilt.


~~from phone

[Lewis]

ok that's fair enough then

I think if you're willing to kill a stranger for your own benefit, you should have to accept that you could also be killed by someone else for the same reason
and if you do accept then that's fine

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The problem is I believe every life has equal importance; whether you're the President of the USA, a binman, a murderer or a schoolteacher :P Therefore whether or not a person is 'innocent' is irrelevant to me.

Well that's your own opinion and I understand why you think that way, but nevertheless it is about killing an innocent person (meaning as I previously explained). If you see it as the exact same thing no matter who it is, just answer the same way as there's no difference between the two in your opinion anyway.

[Kyle]

Let's remove the word kill and innocent from this scenario.


~~from phone

[Empired]

Well that's your own opinion and I understand why you think that way, but nevertheless it is about killing an innocent person (meaning as I previously explained). If you see it as the exact same thing no matter who it is, just answer the same way as there's no difference between the two in your opinion anyway.
Yeah i wouldn't condemn people who choose to save themselves/someone else over a random stranger but personally I probably wouldn't be able to do it. Only reason I would do it is to save my mother. Not because I rely on her but because otherwise my dad would have to leave his nursing home and god knows what would happen to him, my grandmother wouldn't be able to cope on her own but there would be no money for her to go into a home, etc.
But still I would find the decision very difficult so it would be impossible to say what I would do until I'm in the situation.

I suppose there are two ways of looking at your question though:
>Would you save someone else/yourself over a stranger? (The way I assume most people look at the question)
>Would you murder a stranger for your own benefit? (The way I can't help but see the question)

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Let's remove the word kill and innocent from this scenario.


~~from phone
so
would you an person to.... ?

[Kyle]

Cheeky. Making the question positive. I.e. use of save over kill and removing any subjectivity surrounding the meaning of innocence.


~~from phone

[Empired]

Cheeky. Making the question positive. I.e. use of save over kill and removing any subjectivity surrounding the meaning of innocence.


~~from phone
;)

But if people were to kill a stranger/save someone close to themselves then they should understand exactly what they are doing. Wrapping the question up in cotton wool does not take away from the fact that you are both saving and killing.

[Kyle]

Would you save a stranger from death by giving your own life?

Apply the above question to the following scenarios

- a woman with 3 children
- a convicted felon
- a stranger in another country being
- a family member being held for ransom
- dragga

Would you choose to save a family member or friend over any of these people? Would you choose these over saving 10 people at random across the globe ?


~~from phone

[Lewis]

Would you save a stranger from death by giving your own life?

Apply the above question to the following scenarios

- a woman with 3 children
- a convicted felon
- a stranger in another country being
- a family member being held for ransom
- dragga

Would you choose to save a family member or friend over any of these people? Would you choose these over saving 10 people at random across the globe ?


~~from phone

bye bye dragga

[Empired]

The whole point of me not killing a stranger in Lewis' situations is that I think it's wrong for a human being to be able to choose whether or not another human being gets to live or die.

Interesting question though. I can't decide whether I'd say yes or no to those situations you came up with, Kyle. However I'd either answer yes or no to all four.

I would definitely not give someone else's life to save any of those people. That would give me far too much power. I'd start feeling like life was a Sims game and I was sat at home manipulating all these characters. In regards to giving my own life, I would definitely consider but I don't want to answer a definite yes or no as I'm not actually in the situation.
I think by giving my own life I would make them value their own life much more. I would hope that they would feel obligated to live a good life to honor my sacrifice. Particularly with a criminal; I would hope my sacrifice would make them feel obliged to live a better life.
If a stranger in another country gave up their life for me I would definitely seize every day and make sure I can get as much out of life as possible. I would find their family and support them in any way I can because I owe that person my life now.

TL;DR: I can't be sure. Definitely wouldn't give up someone else's life.

[Kyle]

They won't know you're giving your life

Now what? Checkmate


~~from phone

[Empired]

Lmao then my answer is the same: I can't be sure until I experience it :(

also omg kylie I feel like this is a competition to try and get me to say I'd kill other people now :'(

[Kyle]

I feel like that's a bit if a cop out. Te point of a hypothetical is tha you (hopefully) should never experience it.


~~from phone

[-:Undertaker:-]

1. Would you kill an innocent person to save your own life?

No.

2. Would you kill an innocent person to save a friend's life?

No.

3. Would you kill an innocent person to save a relative's life?

No, don't think I could.

4. Would you kill an innocent person to save ten innocent people's lives?

Doubtful, I would tell the person offering this (the Devil?) to take a hike.

[alilbitoflauren]

No , no, no , no

[Brad]

1. Would you kill an innocent person to save your own life?

No.

2. Would you kill an innocent person to save a friend's life?

Yes.

3. Would you kill an innocent person to save a relative's life?

If it's of Blood related (sister, etc.)- Yes.
If it's a cousin, etc. - No.

4. Would you kill an innocent person to save ten innocent people's lives?

No, unless they wanted me to

[Jazz]

no
no
yes (close relative)
no

[hairpins]

Just out of interest for ppl who voted yes, what if the situation were reversed: someone else is choosing to kill you off to save themselves/a member of their family/a friend of their's?
Off the top of my head @Kyle (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=30795); @hairpins (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=75478); @David (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=73895); replied yes

Also why is whether or not they're "innocent" so important? What would u define as innocent? Surely no one is truly innocent, we've all done something wrong in life? Why do you value the lives of the "innocent" above those who are "guilty"? Does a crime such as theft make you less of a human than someone who has not stolen something?

Also @Lewis (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=70869); what would you do as it's your thread?

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[Krazybethw]

Nope. its better to be selfless than selfish.

[Kimmy]

1. Probably not, I don't value it that much. Maybe dependant on who the person was.

2. Depends on the friend.

3. Again, depends on the relative... I have some who're really damn crazy but if it came to close family like my brothers or my parents then yeah, I'd kill someone.

4. Yeah.