Tattoos - For or Against?

[Edmond]

Hey everyone,

I'm currently doing a project for University where I've to communicate two arguments. I've chosen to discuss tattoos, for and against.

I'm personally quite bias because I love tattoos, and actually just got a new one. But I can understand there's plenty of reasons why people don't agree with them. Therefore I need input from you guys! Do you like them or hate them? As much feedback as possible would be awesome :)

[buttons]

i don't understand why people disagree with them
they're another person's choice (except in some culture) and they have different meanings in different cultures or subcultures
eg although they may be seen as deviant and unprofessional here they might be seen as a sign of maturity and strength anywhere else.
if something allows you to express yourself without harming others, then i don't see why not.

personally i don't find them all that attractive but that's my issue.

[Alkaz]

I have no issue with tattoos and people that have them. If you're that passionate about them and want to have them permanently inked on your body then kudos to you and I appreciate that. What I don't understand is when people who're covered in tattoos that are visible (and not just the odd one) kick up a fuss about it when it affects their employment opportunities. There are stereotypes of people covered in tattoos, good or bad, and it may not fit with the look a business has. For instance, I'm not sure how much I would trust a tattoo artist that didn't have a single tattoo, a hair dresser with bad hair, a scruffy air steward. I just wouldn't. People have to be aware of what they're doing and the potential impact it will have on different aspects of their life.

[Brad]

I am for them. I have them, and I see no physical problems with them. It's a form of art. An expression of one self. The ones I don't understand though are the ones who have foul language, or awkward tattoos (male & female parts etc.) Other than that. I love tattoos.

[Empired]

I will never want one as I don't want to be stuck with something on my body for the rest of my life. I just don't see the appeal. But if other people want to get tattoos then go for it.

[lemons]

i like tattoos which are artistic and not silly things like the name of your gf/bf and i think people who are covered head to toe in tattoos look disgusting

[Jssy]

I agree with Headlines;

I have 4 tattoos now and only 1 is visible - on my wrists, I don't think I'd have anymore that would be visible outside of NHS uniform. I know that's the sector I want to work in so I base my tattoo placement choices around that. My wrist tattoo is only 2 butterflies so not offensive. I think tattoos are fine if not offensive, my uncle is covered in them as he does tattoos and he's a doorman so that area of work isn't strict about that. The NHS now accepts tattoos as long as not excessive or offensive and I think that is acceptable.

Tattoo's can be art if they're tasteful, but personally what someone does with their body is no business of mine, they live with the consequences of their decisions not me. As someone with tattoos and piercings, the one thing I have a problem with is people claiming discrimination because of their tattoos. You cannot compare when tattooing is a personal choice - something you choose to do to your body, than people who are discriminated on the base of race etc - something they didn't choose. It's ridiculous, you make the choices and you deal with the consequences if you struggle to get a job because of the choices you make. I have family covered head to toe in tattoos, and there's me with a few. I do want more like a shoulder tattoo and others that I can cover up so I can still appear professional.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I don't like tattoos in the slightest.

- Look tacky.
- Looks even worse as you age.
- Make you look dirty and in need of a good shower.
- Remind of me strange pagan/third world customs of body markings.
- Think of what you liked 5 years ago. Still like it as much? A tattoo would be permanent.
- A 1960s fad of 'rebellion' and individuality which turns out to be... the same as everybody else.

I'll never get one. But each to their own.

[Edmond]

All these replies are great, thank you so much guys you're all awesome :D

The more opinions the better!

[Empired]

I agree with @Headlines (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=53791);

I have 4 tattoos now and only 1 is visible - on my wrists, I don't think I'd have anymore that would be visible outside of NHS uniform. I know that's the sector I want to work in so I base my tattoo placement choices around that. My wrist tattoo is only 2 butterflies so not offensive. I think tattoos are fine if not offensive, my uncle is covered in them as he does tattoos and he's a doorman so that area of work isn't strict about that. The NHS now accepts tattoos as long as not excessive or offensive and I think that is acceptable.

Tattoo's can be art if they're tasteful, but personally what someone does with their body is no business of mine, they live with the consequences of their decisions not me. As someone with tattoos and piercings, the one thing I have a problem with is people claiming discrimination because of their tattoos. You cannot compare when tattooing is a personal choice - something you choose to do to your body, than people who are discriminated on the base of race etc - something they didn't choose. It's ridiculous, you make the choices and you deal with the consequences if you struggle to get a job because of the choices you make. I have family covered head to toe in tattoos, and there's me with a few. I do want more like a shoulder tattoo and others that I can cover up so I can still appear professional.

Smart move. I know some people at sixth form who want to work for the Civil Service but are still getting visible tattoos because they say they can do what they like with their bodies. Sometimes you just gotta accept that this is the way things are and actually yes, a lot of people DO judge you for having visible tattoos. I'm sure not many people are going to be offended by a small rose on your wrist or a heart behind your ear but a lot of people, particularly middle aged and older, won't trust someone who is head to toe in tattoos as someone who looks what they would consider to be "clean". To be honest, if I went into hospital I wouldn't want someone completely covered in tattoos to be treating me. I know it's prejudice but if you're in hospital you're already going to be feeling vulnerable, you just want to feel like you're in safe hands.

[Kyle]

as long as it's not a swastika or something then I don't understand the prejudice built up against them. a friend who works in a hospital says she saw a nurse with a full sleeve on show and a patient was being funny about it... why? lol.

people need to cement their identity somehow.

[karter]

i don't like a particular style of tattoos, i don't know how to describe it lol uh...neo-gothic? like those tattoos which cover your entire arm/chest. not fond of quotes as tattoos too that's so weird lol but w.e it's a personal choice i dont think i would get one ever though

[James]

very strongly against. disgusting things

[peteyt]

Like some have mentioned it's really down to choice but a lot of people get excessive amounts of visible tattoos and then complain when they can't get a job. People don't think about the consequences and a lot of people wish later on in life they didn't have them especially when they are old and wrinkly.

I'd never get one as I can imagine myself not liking it later on and while you can get them removed it isn't cheap and leaves scarring

[Landon]

I am all for tattoos. It comes down to this:


Excessiveness
Name of your GF/BF that you may not be together forever with.
Disrespectful, vulgar, etc

[Matt]

I am all for tattoos. It comes down to this:


Excessiveness
Name of your GF/BF that you may not be together forever with.
Disrespectful, vulgar, etc



I agree 100% with those. If there's too much and you've gone over the top, then no.
Getting the names of people is ok, if it's of a gf or bf that you have then it's awks if you stop going out.
If they're rude I don't find the attractive at all (half naked people with body parts showing - no!)

I think tattoo's can be quite hot and I find them attractive.

[Matthew]

people can put what they want on their bodies, that's not up to me

I think the odd, small tattoo can look cool. Not a fan of people of people who are completely covered in them or have ridiculous things on them (a few of which have been mentioned above). Like someone I know has his birthday written out in huge writing on his lower back, just why?!?!?! Its not even written like in an interesting way if it at all can be, its just like '20th September 1994' in huge, thick font

WHY?

but hey, if he wants to spend money on that then who am i to stop him. Doesn't stop me thinking he's an idiot but you know :P

[Nick]

I am generally for tattoos I like them. I actually want a tattoo or even a sleeve one day tbh. I wouldn't get a name of someone ive been with them foreverrrr.

I even find face tattoos attractive if they are small (seen them before) but not covered lmfao.

[Richie]

Different strokes for different folks and all that.... Personally I don't think I'd get one unless it was something very close to my heart, I get bored of things very quick so I know if I got a random tattoo, even if it was something I thought about for months, I'd regret it in time. I don't find it attractive on the opposite sex, blah.

[Jazz]

All for them, but I respect that some people don't like them. People should just keep themselves to themselves and get on with it rather then feeling the need to comment about every detail of a persons body. Obviously theres some expectations, like swastikas (as someone else said) etc

[Jssy]

people can put what they want on their bodies, that's not up to me

I think the odd, small tattoo can look cool. Not a fan of people of people who are completely covered in them or have ridiculous things on them (a few of which have been mentioned above). Like someone I know has his birthday written out in huge writing on his lower back, just why?!?!?! Its not even written like in an interesting way if it at all can be, its just like '20th September 1994' in huge, thick font

WHY?

but hey, if he wants to spend money on that then who am i to stop him. Doesn't stop me thinking he's an idiot but you know :P
Well if he dies at least he'll be able to be identified easily haha, but yes that seems a bit of a pointless tattoo

[benzoberzerk]

You don't have to like my tattoos and i don't have to like your haircut, clothing style, shoes or whatever you decide to adorn yourself in. That doesn't mean we can't respect each other as human beings and get along just fine. We all express our identity in our own ways, none less important than the other.



Smart move. I know some people at sixth form who want to work for the Civil Service but are still getting visible tattoos because they say they can do what they like with their bodies. Sometimes you just gotta accept that this is the way things are and actually yes, a lot of people DO judge you for having visible tattoos. I'm sure not many people are going to be offended by a small rose on your wrist or a heart behind your ear but a lot of people, particularly middle aged and older, won't trust someone who is head to toe in tattoos as someone who looks what they would consider to be "clean". To be honest, if I went into hospital I wouldn't want someone completely covered in tattoos to be treating me. I know it's prejudice but if you're in hospital you're already going to be feeling vulnerable, you just want to feel like you're in safe hands.

If you feel unsafe with people based solely on what they look like then yup, it's prejudice. Also, "that's just how it is" applies to very few things in life and is about as far from understanding and acceptance as you can get.

[Empired]

You don't have to like my tattoos and i don't have to like your haircut, clothing style, shoes or whatever you decide to adorn yourself in. That doesn't mean we can't respect each other as human beings and get along just fine. We all express our identity in our own ways, none less important than the other.

If you feel unsafe with people based solely on what they look like then yup, it's prejudice. Also, "that's just how it is" applies to very few things in life and is about as far from understanding and acceptance as you can get.

I wouldn't feel unsafe in most situations but, like I said, I would feel unsafe if I were having surgery done in hospital (and am therefore already vulnerable) and my surgeon came in head-to-toe in tattoos. I know admitting to this subjects me to plenty of outrage but I'm not going to pretend that I would be okay with a doctor covered in tattoos because some people disagree with my feelings. The patient is allowed to request a different doctor if they don't feel safe in the hands of their current one (or at least that's how it was in my local hospital when my mother had surgery). It is prejudice but sadly EVERYONE is prejudiced whether they admit to it or not; it's impossible to walk down the street and be completely open-minded about everyone you lay eyes on.

And actually if you currently want to work in teaching or nursing and you're covered in tattoos, you WILL be discriminated against. It may not be "right" but it still happens.

[Kimmy]

Who cares what other people think anyway? People should make choices based on what they want and not on what other people think about it.

[A]

It's not really a for or against choice, if someone want's ink on their body that is going to be there for the rest of their life, it's that person's choice if you ask me. In my opinion, I however am for them because at the end of the day, some people get tattoo's for a good reason, a name of their loved one, or their child, and if someone want's to do that to their own body, who's to stop them?

[Catchy]

Smart move. I know some people at sixth form who want to work for the Civil Service but are still getting visible tattoos because they say they can do what they like with their bodies. Sometimes you just gotta accept that this is the way things are and actually yes, a lot of people DO judge you for having visible tattoos. I'm sure not many people are going to be offended by a small rose on your wrist or a heart behind your ear but a lot of people, particularly middle aged and older, won't trust someone who is head to toe in tattoos as someone who looks what they would consider to be "clean". To be honest, if I went into hospital I wouldn't want someone completely covered in tattoos to be treating me. I know it's prejudice but if you're in hospital you're already going to be feeling vulnerable, you just want to feel like you're in safe hands.

I feel this is a really old fashioned view. Just because somebody has tattoo's doesn't make them any less qualified, they've trained for the same amount of years as everybody else to become a professional health care professional. On top of that they have yearly mandatory updates, and have to prove they're up to date with their knowledge to stay on the register. I'd rather somebody with tattoos treat me with care and compassion than somebody with no tattoos treat me crap. From personal experience working in the NHS It's awful and frustrating being on the receiving end of it too because our job is to help and give compassionate and quality care.

[benzoberzerk]

I wouldn't feel unsafe in most situations but, like I said, I would feel unsafe if I were having surgery done in hospital (and am therefore already vulnerable) and my surgeon came in head-to-toe in tattoos. I know admitting to this subjects me to plenty of outrage but I'm not going to pretend that I would be okay with a doctor covered in tattoos because some people disagree with my feelings. The patient is allowed to request a different doctor if they don't feel safe in the hands of their current one (or at least that's how it was in my local hospital when my mother had surgery). It is prejudice but sadly EVERYONE is prejudiced whether they admit to it or not; it's impossible to walk down the street and be completely open-minded about everyone you lay eyes on.

And actually if you currently want to work in teaching or nursing and you're covered in tattoos, you WILL be discriminated against. It may not be "right" but it still happens.

Actually, no. In this day and age tattoos are very close to being accepted in a lot of places. Of course there will still be the odd one, like yourself, who struggles with acceptance and therefore might miss out on getting the person with the highest qualifications to care for you. That's your choice.

And yes, we're all prejudice in some way or another, but a lot of us don't go into a situation thinking a certain type of people WILL be discriminated against because "that's just how it is". That's your attitude.

[Kyle]

Actually, no. In this day and age tattoos are very close to being accepted in a lot of places. Of course there will still be the odd one, like yourself, who struggles with acceptance and therefore might miss out on getting the person with the highest qualifications to care for you. That's your choice.

And yes, we're all prejudice in some way or another, but a lot of us don't go into a situation thinking a certain type of people WILL be discriminated against because "that's just how it is". That's your attitude.
It's not an attitude, it's a statement of fact. that IS how it is, people hold personal prejudices against certain groups and sometimes choose to act on them by denying care. We see it from the elderly who don't like being treated by ethnic minorities, from new mothers/fathers who are iffy about male midwives or gynaecologists and from patients who don't want to be treated by someone with tattoos. It happens. Tattoos are often personal. If you want to cover your body in art or Beyoncé song lyrics just don't expect if you enter a healthcare profession for everybody to feel te same as you do about then and have some courtesy by either covering them up or dealing with the fact that people have the right to choose who treats them and not be self righteous about it.


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[benzoberzerk]

It's not an attitude, it's a statement of fact. that IS how it is, people hold personal prejudices against certain groups and sometimes choose to act on them by denying care. We see it from the elderly who don't like being treated by ethnic minorities, from new mothers/fathers who are iffy about male midwives or gynaecologists and from patients who don't want to be treated by someone with tattoos. It happens. Tattoos are often personal. If you want to cover your body in art or Beyoncé song lyrics just don't expect if you enter a healthcare profession for everybody to feel te same as you do about then and have some courtesy by either covering them up or dealing with the fact that people have the right to choose who treats them and not be self righteous about it.


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Aaaaand this is why the world is so full of conflict. It is, in every sense of the word, an attitude. And if you approach others with this attitude, people are certainly gonna respond to you in a similar manner.

How do you expect our society would look like if it was the other way around? Health care personnel had the right to choose who they want to treat? Because this goes both ways. If you're this prejudice against certain people, then you yourself probably shouldn't get a career within healthcare either. I want to know that the person who takes care of me when i suffer a serious injury or get sick won't look at my tattoos, my skin color or my sexuality and judge my worth as a human being on what they see.

[Kyle]

Aaaaand this is why the world is so full of conflict. It is, in every sense of the word, an attitude. And if you approach others with this attitude, people are certainly gonna respond to you in a similar manner.

How do you expect our society would look like if it was the other way around? Health care personnel had the right to choose who they want to treat? Because this goes both ways. If you're this prejudice against certain people, then you yourself probably shouldn't get a career within healthcare either. I want to know that the person who takes care of me when i suffer a serious injury or get sick won't look at my tattoos, my skin color or my sexuality and judge my worth as a human being on what they see.
It's a relationship that doesn't go both ways because one individual is paid for their service and integrity so must adhere to set guidelines, whereas consumers of the service don't have to and so should have the right to opt out of service from providers they aren't comfortable with. Nobody is trained or paid to judge you as a human being, they are tree to treat you and provide care. The customer is always right, right?


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[benzoberzerk]

It's a relationship that doesn't go both ways because one individual is paid for their service and integrity so must adhere to set guidelines, whereas consumers of the service don't have to and so should have the right to opt out of service from providers they aren't comfortable with. Nobody is trained or paid to judge you as a human being, they are tree to treat you and provide care. The customer is always right, right?


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No, the customer is not always right. I don't know the UK laws on discrimination, but in Sweden it's illegal no matter who you are. Also, the world can't be divided into people giving services and people taking services, because no matter what role we go into, we're first and foremost human beings. We can uphold our social structures all we want but they do not define us.

If you're prejudice against certain people you shouldn't work with people at all. It will affect your so called work ethic and be disfavorable to people who deserve to be treated equally to everyone else.

[Kyle]

No, the customer is not always right. I don't know the UK laws on discrimination, but in Sweden it's illegal no matter who you are. Also, the world can't be divided into people giving services and people taking services, because no matter what role we go into, we're first and foremost human beings. We can uphold our social structures all we want but they do not define us.

If you're prejudice against certain people you shouldn't work with people at all. It will affect your so called work ethic and be disfavorable to people who deserve to be treated equally to everyone else.
People seeking care don't necessarily work with others, they're just looking or care. Why should they not be allowed to choose who does and does not treat them based on their individual beliefs.


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[Cody]

I think tattoo's are great pieces of art. If you would like to show it then show it off! I have nothing against tattoo's, however, I would never get one on my body since I haven't thought about anything in particular that would mean something to make permanent on my body. I don't have any problems with people getting them to express themselves.