Should Habbox Forum change the Reputation Display System?

[Phil]

Hey everyone!

As some of you may have seen or been involved in one of the most recent feedback threads, some users are keen on changing the way Reputation is displayed at the bottom of a users post. If you haven't seen the thread click here (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=817001&p=8292915) to see the discussion.

Proposed Change:

It is proposed that the total amount of Reputation given will be displayed on the post whether positive or negative whereas currently it only shows if +Reputation is given.

There will be a cap on '0' so it will never show if a post is only -Repped.

For example:
If a user is +Repped 6 times it will display "+6"
If for the same post, the user is also -Repped twice it will display "+4"

If a user is ONLY -Repped for a post, no change will be made as it cannot go lower the "0".


The poll will remain open until Tuesday 2nd December at 23:59 GMT so get you voice heard before then! Feel free to ask questions and debate the matter in this thread and thank you to FlyingJesus; for the suggestion.

[e5]

Happy with the way the system is :)

[lemons]

i say make no changes

[MKR&*42]

Voted to change but not overlyyy concerned about outcome.

[scottish]

Why make this poll private lol, it's hardly a secretive poll..

[FlyingJesus]

Good to see the opposition giving such firm arguments

[Phil]

Why make this poll private lol, it's hardly a secretive poll..

You always have something to say lmao. I dunno, just made sense to me to make it private. Results will be shown when it has closed.


Good to see the opposition giving such firm arguments

They don't need to argue

[scottish]

You always have something to say lmao. I dunno, just made sense to me to make it private. Results will be shown when it has closed.



They don't need to argue

I tend to speak logically :P

I understand charity polls etc being private but didn't understand this, if you don't know better to ask then forever wonder.

[Absently]

Now that I think about it, I honestly don't care what way wins. I can't say I'll ever pay much attention to it.

[Chippiewill]

The whole reason behind making polls private was to prevent it from manipulating voting patterns through tactical voting (Which I don't think is a very good reason but w/e), but in a poll with two choices making it private has no effect as people aren't going to vote differently depending on the current result.

What really does need to change is allowing +/- repping in these threads as that can and will manipulate voting patterns for the wrong reasons.

[scottish]

The whole reason behind making polls private was to prevent it from manipulating voting patterns through tactical voting (Which I don't think is a very good reason but w/e), but in a poll with two choices making it private has no effect as people aren't going to vote differently depending on the current result.

Yeah I understand some polls being private (such as charity) so they can't just try and get friends to vote for it to make sure they're winning the vote and it keeps it as a surprise kinda thing. But no need on things like this.

[FlyingJesus]

They don't need to argue

Obv not something they have to do but would be nice to know what their reasons are if they feel strongly enough about it to actively oppose the change, plus gives us something to discuss :P

[James]

Honestly don't care.

[Inseriousity.]

lmaoo manipulating voting patterns, it's a hx poll for a rather minor change not a general election

[scottish]

Because one member of management cba with it means we need a poll instead of the normal just implementing it :P

Should add an option to people who don't care, as they're just going to negatively influence the vote as they're voting anything without paying attention to a) the info b) the debate for vs against (well, there isn't really any as there's no against debate) and just randomly voting.

[FlyingJesus]

I'd have thought people who don't care just wouldn't vote but maybe I'm giving them too much credit

[Chris]

Because one member of management cba with it means we need a poll instead of the normal just implementing it :P

Should add an option to people who don't care, as they're just going to negatively influence the vote as they're voting anything without paying attention to a) the info b) the debate for vs against (well, there isn't really any as there's no against debate) and just randomly voting.

If I couldn't be bothered with it then I would have said a categorical no. Don't make things up!

[Empired]

I voted for change and would like to see this implemented but if the majority says no then I won't be particularly disappointed.

[Kyle]

Why is this being polled at all?


~~from phone

[FlyingJesus]

So they can make people vote no without explaining why and then pretend that there's actually opposition so they don't have to do it

[James]

Not sure if ive replied to this thread yet and frankly cba checking

Don't really care if it is put in place so haven't voted. I won't be fussed either way it turns

[Jazz]

I dont really look at my rep enough to care that much but I think it would be good to have change

[-:Undertaker:-]

I voted against, if everybody could see reputation then I would've considered voting yes but as it stands no.

[Kyle]

I voted against, if everybody could see reputation then I would've considered voting yes but as it stands no.

I don't quite understand your reasoning, this poll is about public display (green box at bottom of posts) rather than private information about who issues the rep. In what ways do you think that the proposed system and the way people see reputation interact?


~~from phone

[-:Undertaker:-]

I don't quite understand your reasoning, this poll is about public display (green box at bottom of posts) rather than private information about who issues the rep. In what ways do you think that the proposed system and the way people see reputation interact?

~~from phone

Because I know from past experience that there's a clique on this forum who act like the loudmouths and will -rep whenever somebody is new/has low rep count/can't see who -repped but wouldn't dare -rep someone with a rep equal to their own. Including public showings of -rep to me will just encourage this little group to feed off eachother whenever they see a -rep and you'll end up with people having numerous -reps when they wouldn't have done in normla circumstances.

[Kyle]

Because I know from past experience that there's a clique on this forum who act like the loudmouths and will -rep whenever somebody is new/has low rep count/can't see who -repped but wouldn't dare -rep someone with a rep equal to their own. Including public showings of -rep to me will just encourage this little group to feed off eachother whenever they see a -rep and you'll end up with people having numerous -reps when they wouldn't have done in normla circumstances.

-reps won't be shown on posts.

[Samantha]

I was for it, but if it doesn't happen I won't lose any sleep over it.

[-:Undertaker:-]

-reps won't be shown on posts.

Then why change it, seems to work fine as it is.

And thanks to scottish for the -rep for making me 100% certain I made the right decision in voting against this. Glad to have pissed him off (again).

[scottish]

Then why change it, seems to work fine as it is.

And thanks to scottish for the -rep for making me 100% certain I made the right decision in voting against this. Glad to have pissed him off (again).

Because it'll reduce the positive indicator and show an actual reflection of how the post has been taken (i.e. a post with 4 +reps and 18 -reps, will show it favourably amongst user as it has a +4 indicator, instead of the proper representation (well, not even proper as we're not allowed negative indicators, but it'll show that it's not positive, when it's mostly taken negatively).

And it's cute you think you pissed me off I don't think anything you've ever done has annoyed me to any extent.. but any time ;)

[FlyingJesus]

Congrats to Dan for not actually reading the proposal before spouting off

Still yet to see an actual reason not to do this

[Brad]

I don't care too much about my reputation on here.. it's just a number, and some green blocks. :P

[e5]

Good to see the opposition giving such firm arguments
There is no argument to have. It's something that needn't happen and will make no difference :P

[ItsMeerken]

i say change it, i like to see how much rep i have got at the end of the day and i dont understand this way atm

[Empired]

i say change it, i like to see how much rep i have got at the end of the day and i dont understand this way atm
This will not change how much YOU see, the change will be that OTHERS can see how much collective reputation you get for your individual posts.

What don't you understand? I'm sure someone could explain for you

[FlyingJesus]

There is no argument to have. It's something that needn't happen and will make no difference :P

Clearly it would make a difference or there wouldn't be the strong reasoned arguments for changing it. You've already proven that you're incapable of actually reading the proposal so you're a lost cause (as with most things) but do at least try to respond with a real answer - or if you think it will truly make no difference at all, don't block it for those of us who do get affected by people - especially upper management - making disparaging comments at our expense and being rewarded for it


i say change it, i like to see how much rep i have got at the end of the day and i dont understand this way atm

Thanks for the supporting vote but this change will only affect what's shown on the post itself, for example a green +2 in the bottom left corner when 2 people have +repped it. Under the proposed changes, someone -repping that post would make the number in green change to just +1, in order to make potentially problematic posts not look like they're massively supported when they're not

[e5]

Clearly it would make a difference or there wouldn't be the strong reasoned arguments for changing it. You've already proven that you're incapable of actually reading the proposal so you're a lost cause (as with most things) but do at least try to respond with a real answer - or if you think it will truly make no difference at all, don't block it for those of us who do get affected by people - especially upper management - making disparaging comments at our expense and being rewarded for it



Thanks for the supporting vote but this change will only affect what's shown on the post itself, for example a green +2 in the bottom left corner when 2 people have +repped it. Under the proposed changes, someone -repping that post would make the number in green change to just +1, in order to make potentially problematic posts not look like they're massively supported when they're not


It it seems anyone who is against your opinion gets fired upon. I'm perfectly entitled to my opinion as you are and more then capable of reading. My reply in the other thread made perfeg sense - I don't think negative reps should be shown/deductive or whatever on the forum what so ever. That's my OPINION (which I am entitled to with being shot down). :)

Personally i I think it just confuses how many +reps a user has actually receives when a -rep takes it down... I'd rather just know how many positive reps a post receives rather than wondering of that's a true amount as they may be been -repped. :)

[scottish]

It it seems anyone who is against your opinion gets fired upon. I'm perfectly entitled to my opinion as you are and more then capable of reading. My reply in the other thread made perfeg sense - I don't think negative reps should be shown/deductive or whatever on the forum what so ever. That's my OPINION (which I am entitled to with being shot down). :)

Personally i I think it just confuses how many +reps a user has actually receives when a -rep takes it down... I'd rather just know how many positive reps a post receives rather than wondering of that's a true amount as they may be been -repped. :)

No-one said your other reply didn't made perfeg sense, the point is it shows you either don't know how to read, or didn't read the thread before replying as your point was completely null.

How would it confuse you, you're a big boy I'm sure (well, I'm not sure, I'd like to hope so though) you're capable of reading how many +reps you received in your UserCP. Even then it's not confusing anyone, it's giving a proper representation of how the forum viewed a specific post.

Fail to see how anyone can be confused with it lol :S

[e5]

No-one said your other reply didn't made perfeg sense, the point is it shows you either don't know how to read, or didn't read the thread before replying as your point was completely null.

How would it confuse you, you're a big boy I'm sure (well, I'm not sure, I'd like to hope so though) you're capable of reading how many +reps you received in your UserCP. Even then it's not confusing anyone, it's giving a proper representation of how the forum viewed a specific post.

Fail to see how anyone can be confused with it lol :S
Im talking about seeing others peoples posts. Such as roboevils post with loads of rep, if he got some negatives for whatever reason on that post, it wouldn't be a true reflection of how many +reps he actually got and I like to see that sort of thing. So enough with your silly sarcastic comments, and understand what I'm saying before chirping on.

[scottish]

Im talking about seeing others peoples posts. Such as roboevils post with loads of rep, if he got some negatives for whatever reason on that post, it wouldn't be a true reflection of how many +reps he actually got and I like to see that sort of thing. So enough with your silly sarcastic comments, and understand what I'm saying before chirping on.

Instead it would be a true reflection of the forums view of his post, not only the positive and hiding the negative reputation..

For example if someone was to insult you and get like 10 -reps from staff, then 30 +reps from the community, 20 would be an accurate reflection of the forums view on that post, 30 would not.

[Shar]

I am not bothered either way

[Alkaz]

I voted no. I can see the reasoning behind changing it but I don't think that it makes sense to change it.

[The Don]

I voted yes because the change does make sense but I won't be upset if it doesn't happen.

[Kyle]

I voted no. I can see the reasoning behind changing it but I don't think that it makes sense to change it.

>can see the reasoning
>doesn't make sense to change it

U Havin a giggle lad

Also what e5 mentioned is a good thing. If to are left wondering what the true representative rep of a post is you will not be so easily swayed to blindly rep it. Xx


~~from phone

[FlyingJesus]

It it seems anyone who is against your opinion gets fired upon. I'm perfectly entitled to my opinion as you are and more then capable of reading. My reply in the other thread made perfeg sense - I don't think negative reps should be shown/deductive or whatever on the forum what so ever. That's my OPINION (which I am entitled to with being shot down). :)

Personally i I think it just confuses how many +reps a user has actually receives when a -rep takes it down... I'd rather just know how many positive reps a post receives rather than wondering of that's a true amount as they may be been -repped. :)

HOW DARE I REFUTE STUPID POSTS wow such an evil person, and sure it made sense as in the words made a sentence, but it did not include any reasons why which is important. Your explanation in this post and next one is less an opinion and more simply being wrong in that you're claiming an aggregate of both plus and minus is somehow less indicative of the forum's overall view of a post than showing only the positives, which is clearly not in any way true. Essentially you're saying (in both parts of your post) that criticisms of anything are never valid

You are not entitled to having your public statements accepted without question, stop being such a child


I voted no. I can see the reasoning behind changing it but I don't think that it makes sense to change it.

That doesn't even make sense lol

[Alkaz]

...I can see why you would want to change it. I just think it could make things more confusing, and unless you go around monitoring what +rep each post has then you're not really going to know if it is -repped anyway. For what I think is such a small thing, it would cause a lot of confusion and doesn't make sense to add it IMO. If they add a counter for -rep then yeah change it, but if not then keep things as they are.

[FlyingJesus]

The point isn't to know the exact numbers, it's to show the genuine amount of support a post has rather than potentially ignoring the opinions of a lot of people as the current system does

[Alkaz]

But surely then if you have 6+ reps on a post and someone -reps it, it will only display +5 reps, one of those +reps is being ignored and isn't a true representation of the rep received (positive or negative) for any post.

[FlyingJesus]

It's not being ignored, it's being counted in the total. The main reason for doing this is so that we stop having posts where someone has attacked someone or given an openly intolerant response of some kind and gets a few people +repping it and having that post displayed as something everyone approves of regardless of how many people have -repped it, as this shows negative behaviour as something that gets rewarded

[Kyle]

But surely then if you have 6+ reps on a post and someone -reps it, it will only display +5 reps, one of those +reps is being ignored and isn't a true representation of the rep received (positive or negative) for any post.
but it is a truer representation than a post with 6 visible +reps and x amount of invisible -reps.

[Alkaz]

Not really, because then you have invisible +reps and invisible -reps. Like I just said, unless you track +reps on each post, you're not going to know either way if a post has been -repped.... why not just show both +reps and -reps :l

[scottish]

...I can see why you would want to change it. I just think it could make things more confusing, and unless you go around monitoring what +rep each post has then you're not really going to know if it is -repped anyway. For what I think is such a small thing, it would cause a lot of confusion and doesn't make sense to add it IMO. If they add a counter for -rep then yeah change it, but if not then keep things as they are.

They won't add a counter for -rep though, so the best 'middle ground' is to have it removed the +reps so it's a proper representation of the post, and not only showing the good.

It's not meant so you can SEE who's -repped what post, it's meant to show a proper representation of the forums view on the post (i.e. something that's +repped 10 times and -repped 12 currently looks as if it's a positive post, however in reality it's obviously not viewed that way as more have -repped, so it would instead show nothing (no +reps)).

It's not confusing in any way, and if people are confused by something so simple then they shouldn't be on Habbox and should instead seek help immediately.

[Kyle]

dont know what people are not getting lol

[Alkaz]

dont know what people are not getting lol
I get exactly what you're all trying to say.
I don't understand why they wont add a -rep counter... surely that would give you the most genuine, proper representation.

[scottish]

I get exactly what you're all trying to say.
I don't understand why they wont add a -rep counter... surely that would give you the most genuine, proper representation.

looks negative apparently :P

[Alkaz]

To who... maybe the should be a poll for that instead!

[buttons]

i would prefer a + and - counter but i think the proposed change to the current system is better than what it currently is

[Rachel]

I like the way the system is at the moment but if the other option wins, it doesn't matter with me :).

[Mark]

Continue with the same system.

[Kyle]

Phil; why isn't the poll shown now that it's supposedly closed

[FlyingJesus]

Wouldn't want to spoil things with a big reveal when there's so much debate and reasoning going on...

[RyRy]

What I wanna know is why you're even polling this? I like the idea for it, but it wouldn't make a difference to me if it didn't go in.

It's one of these changes that you could've made easily without any consultation, because as you can see from this thread, nobody has a valid reason against the change but for every person who voted yes, they also say they wouldn't be bothered if it didn't go through as it's not a big deal.

So if it's not a big deal to them, why poll it? Why not just do it?

[Lewis]

I wouldn't want this. In my opinion, either show both -reps and +reps side by side or just +reps.

I wouldn't want +reps and -reps to be merged together as a total in posts, and then not even show if someone gets an overall total of a negative rep.

[scottish]

I wouldn't want this. In my opinion, either show both -reps and +reps side by side or just +reps.

I wouldn't want +reps and -reps to be merged together as a total in posts, and then not even show if someone gets an overall total of a negative rep.

Then lets change reputation so it doesn't give you a total number it just gives you the amount of +reps and amount of -reps, same logic no?

WHY wouldn't you want it to show the actual amount of reps the thread received, rather than just 'NO I DONT WANT IT'

I'm yet to see one decent argument against this.

And RyRy; because they're incompetent, and would actually require them to work on it to get it working. So why do it when they can try to get it to fail a poll and have the freedom to do nothing again? :P

[Drewar]

Change it, absolutely.

[Lewis]

Then lets change reputation so it doesn't give you a total number it just gives you the amount of +reps and amount of -reps, same logic no?

WHY wouldn't you want it to show the actual amount of reps the thread received, rather than just 'NO I DONT WANT IT'

I'm yet to see one decent argument against this.

And @RyRy (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=81175); because they're incompetent, and would actually require them to work on it to get it working. So why do it when they can try to get it to fail a poll and have the freedom to do nothing again? :P

I don't see the point if it's set to not show reps lower than 0.

If it did give a total amount added/subtracted and it also went lower than zero into negativity, or showed how many of each +rep and -rep, I'd vote for that.

[Phil]

Phil; why isn't the poll shown now that it's supposedly closed

Because I was out last night tbh!!!!

Thread closed.

- - - Updated - - -

As you can see from the result, the poll shows that the majority would rather that no changes are made therefore things shall stay how they are!

Thanks for voting :)

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