It's time to bring back the lottery

[FlyingJesus]

Habbox is poor. We don't have enough funding methods (other than managers paying themselves) for comps or events and we need these things to properly keep the community interested and be able to continue to advertise as being the biggest and best, and the lottery was always the best for this as well as being a great way to get people together. I'm well aware that it was scrapped because of Sulake's decision to get rid of gambling, but there are so many ways around it and none have been even attempted, we just gave up.

The easiest way to do it would be just a twist on the way that we do donator all year around, making "entry" just a donation. Make it so that if a person donates 1c to the General Fund they are eligible to claim a random number as a way of saying thank you. We're totally free to give intangible thank you rewards (just like a coloured name) so there's no risk of being shut down or whatever as all we'd be doing is taking donations that are freely given, and these are donations that we desperately need. Less reliance on managerial funding means more is around to be given out, and therefore there will be less personal cost to staff and by extension more incentive to join these departments as regular staff. We don't need to break any rules, we just need to actually have some balls - lottery balls that is!!!!!!!!! *+*+* haha I am funny

[Inseriousity.]

Would be nice to see lottery return and yes it's very much needed. It really depends how tight Sulake are.

[StripedTiger]

VIP colour for Competitions and Events donator might be useful - especially if its a nice colour that will be in demand :)

how can habbo get rid of gambling when there are plenty of casinos still around on habbo itself?

[MKR&*42]

its return is absolutely 100pcnt needed and I'm surprised some AGMs hasn't yet thought of a way to bring it back :P

[Sho]

Funding is desperately needed. I've been trying to think of a way to avoid Sulake's rule for a while and this might work. I'll look into it again to see what exactly they say we can/can't do because I don't see anything wrong with accepting a donation and using the lottery as a way of thanking everyone.

[Plebings]

just say you're donating for a forum achievement, give everyone a badge saying they donated, maybe give people who donate 25c+ a month of pre-selected donator. each 1c donated gets an entry in the lottery as thanks.

i doubt habbo will notice, just make sure that the staff advertising it say it very specific. long as you don't get people advertising 1c for lottery entries it shouldn't be an issue.

[Empired]

Good idea but it'd have to be thought about very carefully. Would have to make sure you're following the rules at all times or Habbox could soon find itself becoming an unofficial fansite if it can't follow the rules. I assume General Management would have to inform Sulake of these plans just to make sure there's no possibility of running into any trouble?

I would take part in the lottery if it were to come back though.

[Kyle]

if not enough people enter it wont give enough of a return and without the ability to properly advertise it there arent many ways to get people outside of the forum and main room to enter

[FlyingJesus]

You can advertise it, we do so with donator anyway

[Paige.]

when i saw you say about this in the help desk i was hoping you'd post about it!

definitely needed and i think i was away from habbox for a bit when it was stopped because i remember constantly thinking hmm so where is the lottery and when i was manager i remember thinking aren't i supposed to sell lottery tickets at some point lol

if it's brought up, i hope sulake isn't harsh because it's clear that funding is neccesary

[Kyle]

can't say I have seen any kind of advertisement (or purchase) of donator in a long time.

[-Nick]

Email Sulake saying you need some funding... would it be possible to bring x idea..? They will say yes i think..

Also they might give some funding from themselves you never know!

IDEA:

Paid forum (section): monthly subscription like £0.50p everyone in that forum gets a special FREE ticket for a prize!

[FlyingJesus]

It's not pushed particularly but it's openly advertised on the forum payments (http://www.habboxforum.com/payments.php) page (although obviously it looks different atm because of Christmas VIP) and it's always stated that you get X rewards for doing so, this is 10p to be assigned an intangible number so nowhere near as big as what we have running all year long anyway :P

[Absently]

It is quite tough for really for funding and I'd really hope something like this would make a comeback. It'd be so nice to be able to give bigger and nicer rewards but when it has to come out of your own pocket, it gets really tough :(

[Phil]

Hope something comes back! I just gave away a lot of creds in the past few hours lol :P

[Inseriousity.]

I think the gambling rule is only in place on Habbo though. Selling donator is fine but taking it to Habbo, they may not be so considerate (and I certainly wouldn't ask them lmao).

[FlyingJesus]

Yeah asking them is not a great idea because then they can update their ruling to include it, which it currently doesn't

[The Don]

Suggested when it was scrapped that we do it as a donation/raffle where those that donate to habbox get entered into a raffle where they can win creds. 1 donation = 1 entry into the raffle etc. Was shot down by General Management though

[FlyingJesus]

New GM team, one already on board and a good opportunity for Chris to become a vertebrate and save Habbox

[Inseriousity.]

In the Box they said they were working on bringing back the lottery (or a funding system anyway) in some form so it probably will come back this one :D

[Yupt]

Being rewarded for donating by being given a lottery ticket could work, however it is obvious why it hasn't been done yet, because if it went wrong and sulake didn't approve, they would flip and we wouldn't be in for a very good time lmao. That being said if we did get it back it would benefit us so so much, the difference in funds available with lottery and without is actually quite scary (from someone who's been in management for both).

[Chris]

Since the big drama a few weeks ago regarding the takeover that we did, I have been trying to come up with a way to revive the lottery or bring in something new entirely. It had occurred to me to use the donation twist as a loophole, but to be honest I wasn't sure that we would be able to get away with it. This is what I suggest:

Bring back the lottery in it's original format but with a few minor changes. Firstly, users would only be allowed one lottery ticket each and entry into the draw would be free. The prize for the draw would be funded by what we already have, but this would only be the base prize for the draw. What we do then is heavily advertise the lottery and make it clear that any donations made will increase the prize for the eventual winner.

It's a basic twist on the old lottery and could work if we had permission from Sulake. If we could all come to an agreement on how this new lottery should be run, then I can send an email to Habbo and request they look over the proposal and approve it.

[FlyingJesus]

You want to give everyone a free ticket every time as a way to increase funds what

[Chris]

You want to give everyone a free ticket every time as a way to increase funds what

Yes. We could do it your way and just give out a ticket for every donation, but if we do that then there is less chance of it being approved by Sulake. With my method, we can advertise it as a giveaway which is funded by user donations.

[Inseriousity.]

Don't think Sulake would approve it or anything really. Anything you do would probably need to be done without Sulake's consent and suffer the consequences if they discover it and choose to take action. That's a risky move but I think if you were to take the risk then doing tom's or akeem's idea is the simplest move forwards. Also when something is free, people will take that and just use that. 50c for free is better than 100c for 20c (with no guarantee of even getting it) - just example numbers ofc so it'd essentially just come back to people donating out of goodness.

You've tried to tone it down to get around Sulake but I don't think anything will - the definition of gambling is pretty simple really - so might as well just go for it.

[FlyingJesus]

But it isn't, it's funded by whatever we already have. The original lottery was more of a giveaway funded by donations than that, and either way to make any profit you'd have to not give away all of the donations, so makes no difference other than your method making sure that less people bother to pay to participate as well as lowering every entrant's odds of winning by giving potentially hundreds of free tickets out

[Yupt]

Wispur if you go with the idea of first ticket is free, will additional tickets then require a donation? Otherwise we may only get 30/40 tickets in play each month :P

[scottish]

I doubt many people will donate for it lol (in terms of adding to the funds, not buying tickets)

[Chris]

So you would suggest we bring it back in it's old format but put the donations twist on it that we've been using for forum donator? If we did that then we could be putting our official status at risk which might then cause us more issues than we would be solving. On the other hand, desperate times call for desperate measures so I would be willing to give it a go as long as I have approval from Jin & Matt too.


Wispur if you go with the idea of first ticket is free, will additional tickets then require a donation? Otherwise we may only get 30/40 tickets in play each month :P

Maybe, but it doesn't look like we will be doing that idea anyway. :P Need to discuss with with the others first.

[Phil]

What about a VIP/Dontator usergroup & colour that can only be bought by credit donation?

[FlyingJesus]

It's not gambling if you're simply getting a fixed reward for donating (a ticket and perhaps a mention in a thread somewhere) so there's nothing to fear status-wise. If it were "just do it as we used to and call it the official lottery" that might break the rule, but anyone's free to thank a patron as they wish

[Chris]

What about a VIP/Dontator usergroup & colour that can only be bought by credit donation?

We can't do that as it would detract from the real world money donations which is relied upon to help keep the sites running.


It's not gambling if you're simply getting a fixed reward for donating (a ticket and perhaps a mention in a thread somewhere) so there's nothing to fear status-wise. If it were "just do it as we used to and call it the official lottery" that might break the rule, but anyone's free to thank a patron as they wish

Fair enough. I will discuss it with Matt, Sho and Laura tomorrow.

[Kyle]

lmfao at bringing back the lottery with current funds and giving them all away plus whatever is donated. kinda defeats the purpose of fundraising i would rather have no lottery

gambling rules are for ipad app age status and those who have used external gambling systems have been able to avoid the rules for some time now.

[Bloop]

Edit: all I said have already been brought up lolol

[Red]

The free ticket idea sounds abs idiotic.

[Chris]

If it avoided Sulake taking action, then no it isn't really "abs idiotic".

[FlyingJesus]

It wouldn't make any difference to Sulake because the premise is exactly the same, it just has the addition of making sure that we give out more than we take in which obviously makes no sense at all. We're looking to make profits and you don't do that by using existing low stocks to fund a free giveaway :P

[Red]

If it avoided Sulake taking action, then no it isn't really "abs idiotic".

Because who is going to donate if they are getting a ticket free? not me. Your giving away rather than actually earning funds.

[scottish]

doesn't jin still have like 500 gold bars and like 100 thrones and so on..

[Red]

yes, he has a room lined with thrones!!

[e5]

just say you're donating for a forum achievement, give everyone a badge saying they donated, maybe give people who donate 25c+ a month of pre-selected donator. each 1c donated gets an entry in the lottery as thanks.

i doubt habbo will notice, just make sure that the staff advertising it say it very specific. long as you don't get people advertising 1c for lottery entries it shouldn't be an issue.
sulake definitely will notice since they read these forums :P

I think we need to do something like this also! It will bring funding and is good fun!

[Brad]

Habbo staff are like the illuminati, you don't see them - but they're watching. Could you maybe change it from lottery to something else. Anything remotely related to lottery is gambling. :/ good luck with this idea.

[-Nick]

doesn't jin still have like 500 gold bars and like 100 thrones and so on..

And we still need more funding? Wispur; here is your solution.

[Yupt]

I think everyone is fully aware of what Jin has in his rooms, and if he chooses to allow General Management to use that then great, but it's not the same as a lottery type funding.

With the lottery it was like a never ending circle. The credits used to purchase tickets went to the managers, who put it into their departments, which then goes back to the users who start the circle again.

Users buying tickets > Funds Competitions prizes going back to users > Users buying tickets etc etc.

With Jin's furni we'd just end up giving it all away. It would make more sense, if he allowed us to use his stuff in the first place, to use those items for room building and attracting more members whilst a lottery scheme or similar is what funds prizes.

[Chris]

We have decided to go ahead with the idea and bring the lottery back using the same format as before. We will of course put the donations twist on it so we can bypass restrictions.

[scottish]

start selling VIP again, and so the same.

[xxMATTGxx]

Habbo staff are like the illuminati, you don't see them - but they're watching. Could you maybe change it from lottery to something else. Anything remotely related to lottery is gambling. :/ good luck with this idea.

Quite true, a lot of IP addresses come from Sulake browsing this forum on a regular basis.

[Brad]

Quite true, a lot of IP addresses come from Sulake browsing this forum on a regular basis.

should be interesting to see where this goes. If habbox gets it's official status stripped because of this, it'll be sad.

[Empired]

I'm quite worried about Habbox's status as an Official Fansite. Sulake hasn't been known for its understanding and I'm concerned that they will notice what we're doing, ignore any explanations we might have and just take away the Official Fansite status without another word.

Has anyone looked into how other forums keep the money rolling around?

[Brad]

I'm quite worried about Habbox's status as an Official Fansite. Sulake hasn't been known for its understanding and I'm concerned that they will notice what we're doing, ignore any explanations we might have and just take away the Official Fansite status without another word.

Has anyone looked into how other forums keep the money rolling around?

This is what I have been thinking. They must have other means of getting it.

[Chris]

They have deep pockets...I can ask some of the other official fansite owners I guess :P.

The lottery is setup and good to go. We could be having the first draw at the end of January if this goes ahead.

[Bloop]

lawrawrrr; Shonly; Wispur; xxMATTGxx;

Thishabbo just did a lottery, idk, yesterday or early today. It was 1 furni=1 ticket, did you get any responses from staff that you can't do it? If not, maybe lottery is allowed. Does this all even make sense lmao.

Also irdez admitted that he was doing a lottery and he's like 'we do it every year. ****.' How nice

[Chippiewill]

doesn't jin still have like 500 gold bars and like 100 thrones and so on..

Yup. It's about time Habbox liquidated its assets. It's not like Jin will ever use it and it's not like Habbo has much life left in it anyway.

[Bloop]

So anyway even though its coming back just saying I noticed the screengrab also said irdez emailing stuff and nothing came out of it abt the lottery

[Inseriousity.]

I introduced the Habbox Lottery (again) because I felt guilty asking Jin for hundreds of credits, which he always passed over without comment. There is no issue with getting credits/furni from him. All you've got to do is ask :D

I never had to ask him again after launching that and we do need a sustainable way of gaining credits so even if Jin did have thousands of credits stashed away, we would still need a lottery.

[scottish]

yeah but even with lottery, jins assets should be used.

As Jin (aka Chippiewill) correctly said Habbo doesn't have much life in it and Jin doesn't actively use it, so why have thousands of credits and furni sitting in a room doing nothing when it can be used here.

Use them and actually hold big competitions and get people joining. Habbox isn't known for good prizes so make that change.

[Chris]

Current funds are coming from Jin so they are being used.

Just waiting on a new banner for the lottery before it's posted!

[Inseriousity.]

lmao Habbox has had big competitions since July every month with prizes of 100c+. Just because you don't take part in them doesn't mean they're not happening. If anything, you could say it's probably big event overload :P

July - Shipwrecked
August - HxSS
September - Back to School
October - Halloween
November - Hunger Games
December - Christmas

[Absently]

lmao Habbox has had big competitions since July every month with prizes of 100c+. Just because you don't take part in them doesn't mean they're not happening. If anything, you could say it's probably big event overload :P

July - Shipwrecked
August - HxSS
September - Back to School
October - Halloween
November - Hunger Games
December - Christmas

Yeah that's what I'm finding a bit difficult about what people are in about, we do have quite large competitions quite frequently with big prizes so I don't see how people are saying they're **** haha. Although, like I've already said it'd help in-department funding greatly :)

[FlyingJesus]

http://i.imgur.com/pYR96Cn.jpg

There we go all set to start go go go

[Empired]

Big events have good prizes yeah but if you look at prizes being handed out by EOs in normal events, some of them aren't all that great. Is it possible to fund EOs more as I think I've complained a couple of times about receiving really embarrassing prizes. Like, I've got ducks, stools, etc. even though they're banned :P

[Absently]

Big events have good prizes yeah but if you look at prizes being handed out by EOs in normal events, some of them aren't all that great. Is it possible to fund EOs more as I think I've complained a couple of times about receiving really embarrassing prizes. Like, I've got ducks, stools, etc. even though they're banned :PWhenever I've gone I've always gotten credits, but maybe it's just the hosters that I'm attending actually give the good prizes. I know the likes of random always gives coins.

[Inseriousity.]

Ah well if he was talking about Habbox events that's slightly different. It would be nice to have a fully funded events department but Habbox needs a sustainable funding system in place first to do so as it would be very expensive and Jin's funds would not cover it for long.

[Sho]

the events department have a little funding system but once I have some funding I will be setting some aside for it too. if you get any prize like empired mentioned, let matt know and he can deal with that since they are on the banned prizes list. :)

[Empired]

Whenever I've gone I've always gotten credits, but maybe it's just the hosters that I'm attending actually give the good prizes. I know the likes of random always gives coins.
Yes I only attend events if I know the host gives good prizes now. I haven't gotten any really awful prizes in a while now because I know who to avoid.

edit: oh and thanks Shonly; I'll let you both know. Haven't had any problems since Matt became manager but I got some really dud deals when Paige was around :( (Wasn't Paige's fault obviously, it was just during her time.)

[David]

can we see the email Wispur;
and why are you complying what does official actually give you except restrictions

[Chris]

No you can't and I suppose the only benefit to being official is the exposure we get from fansite events.

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[David]

why not will habbo send you an email to remove the email :¬:

[scottish]

Being official = ability to advertise.

didn't literally every non official fansite advertiser get constantly banned for advertising scam sites lol

[MKR&*42]

Actually even plenty of people advertising Habbox (Habbox was official) were getting banned for advertising like a year ago or so idk time flies.

Then I think Sulake just turned around and said you're allowed to advertise but not spam (like ThisHabbo). I see plenty of people advertise non-official fansites but idk if it gets you banned, I imagine it wouldn't unless you said "retro" or "free coins" cause obv different

[scottish]

Pretty sure people have been warned/banned recently for even advertising sites like Hx, so if it lost official then I'd imagine even more would.

[Danny]

Well Habbox tried. It can't continue so appreciate that it was attempted and maybe think of otherways to get around it.

[scottish]

Habbox Donations, at the end of the month everyone who donated that month is in a raffle for 50% of the total donations

profit

[Red]

More benefit from being official than doing this lottery when there are funds available from jin anyway. I like scotts idea/ Like a once a month 'win a room' with creds and then you could throw like some special vip or something into that prizefund too.

[Brad]

I saw this coming. :P
Good try habbox... Maybe if it wasn't named lottery it may have been able to Stay.

[Chris]

We could have called it anything and they still would have asked for it to be removed.

[Empired]

So no more habbox lottery/donations/whatever from now on....?

[The Don]

We could have called it anything and they still would have asked for it to be removed.

Eh, if you had collected 'donations' throughout the month and had a donor only raffle/giveaway i'm sure it would have been allowed.

[Reality]

Well Habbox tried. It can't continue so appreciate that it was attempted and maybe think of otherways to get around it.

By trying to get around it you're essentially still disobeying Habbo's T&C's against gambling therefore, Habbox could then again be warned or lose its official status.

[The Don]

By trying to get around it you're essentially still disobeying Habbo's T&C's against gambling therefore, Habbox could then again be warned or lose its official status.

Yeah, no point trying to rebrand it now after having already received a warning. Shouldn't have called it a lottery which is obviously linked with gambling and was therefore always going to gain sulake's attention.

[Jssy]

has it been stopped? is there a thread about it? been away for a week sorrry

[Samantha]

The way to essentially get around it (and it's not really getting around it as it should pretty much be allowed) - gambling is banned on Habbo if there are people who don't win from it, if everyone wins from it then it should be fine.

For example - paying to play a game is fine as long as everyone who plays/who paid wins a prize.


Randomized games

* The outcome of the game is random

such as Don't hit the wall, Bingo, Fridge, Nervous. These games are allowed IF:

No bets are placed, which means that people play for free (no entrance fee for example)

OR

* There is an entrance fee, but no winnings/prize distributed. This is fine unless it becomes evident that the game is organised to get around the new rule.

OR

* There is an entrance fee, and everyone wins/receives a prize. This is fine unless it becomes evident that the game is organised to get around the new rule.

[dbgtz]

Just make it a tombola

[Chris]

It's the gambling element that they are against. Nothing we can do is going to get around it unfortunately :P

[Martin]

looks like we'll have to charge an entrance fee to get into HxHD! That kind of help/advice doesn't come cheap!

Or we could put on special Habbox shows/performances and charge room entry idk

1c to get into the prom pls

[scottish]

2c per lottery ticket, everyone wins 1c and one person with 100.

[FlyingJesus]

Habbox Donations, at the end of the month everyone who donated that month is in a raffle for 50% of the total donations

profit

That's pretty much what it was meant to be anyway rather than done as an actual sale of a service/game


It's the gambling element that they are against. Nothing we can do is going to get around it unfortunately :P

I understand not wanting to antagonise Sulake if we're trying to stay "official" but did they provide any reasoning for their viewing this as somehow different to forum donator status and stuff like that? Seems very much like they're just picking and choosing when to enforce their rules in order to make things as difficult as possible :P

[MKR&*42]

2c per lottery ticket, everyone wins 1c and one person with 100.

Tbh this would actually work, they can't disagree with this as if everyone wins a prize it's allowed according to what they say :P

[Chris]

2c per lottery ticket, everyone wins 1c and one person with 100.

Hmm ;)


That's pretty much what it was meant to be anyway rather than done as an actual sale of a service/game



I understand not wanting to antagonise Sulake if we're trying to stay "official" but did they provide any reasoning for their viewing this as somehow different to forum donator status and stuff like that? Seems very much like they're just picking and choosing when to enforce their rules in order to make things as difficult as possible :P

Nope they didn't mention that at all. It was pretty much just an email reminding us of the gambling rule and that we would have fansite status revoked unless it was removed immediately.

[FlyingJesus]

Oh rubbish :( time to change your sig I guess lol

[Chippiewill]

Bring back VIP-owned forums to fund prizes instead.

[FlyingJesus]

Wow that username style is hideous I want it


Edited by Richie (Trialist Forum Moderator): Please don't post off-topic!

[Cerinacy]

I am sad to see the lottery go, although I do understand why Habbo have taken this measure as I personally think it shouldn't be run either.

I don't think we should be looking at changing the lottery name etc. or bending Sulake's rules, we should look at more forum based competitions instead- however, it would need thought on how to link it in to Habbo.

Just my thoughts! :)

[AgnesIO]

Habbo staff = bunch of ******s

[Richie]

Add lottery tickets to the shop, allow people to buy them with tokens, if they win, they gain a large percentage of the tokens, embed a random number generator to habbox.com/lottery or something that only admins can use, display the logs, roll it once a week, boom!


I'm a genius, get on it @Shonly (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=81650); @Wispur (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55895); @Phil (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=67954); haha,

[Phil]

Add lottery tickets to the shop, allow people to buy them with tokens, if they win, they gain a large percentage of the tokens, embed a random number generator to habbox.com/lottery or something that only admins can use, display the logs, roll it once a week, boom!


I'm a genius, get on it @Shonly (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=81650); @Wispur (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55895); @Phil (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=67954); haha,

That's something we hope to do anyway but I think the problem here is that we need the credit lotto for funding credits :P

[scottish]

I suggested that months ago Richie;

[Inseriousity.]

scott's idea looks the best way to do it.

[Sho]

I quite like your idea, Scott! I'll speak to Chris and Laura tonight to see what they think :)

[Chris]

It's a good idea but we're not going to do it. We've had one warning from Habbo already so trying to find loopholes in their rules would just aggravate them. I'm afraid it's a choice between official fansite status or the lottery.

[Inseriousity.]

Not really a loophole if they're the one who said it :P

[Kyle]

It's a good idea but we're not going to do it. We've had one warning from Habbo already so trying to find loopholes in their rules would just aggravate them. I'm afraid it's a choice between official fansite status or the lottery.

Perhaps try actually contacting habbo and discussing the options rather than writing them off lol


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[Chris]

It cannot be done:


* There is an entrance fee, and everyone wins/receives a prize. This is fine unless it becomes evident that the game is organised to get around the new rule.

They're going to know straight away that we're doing it to get around the rule.

[Kyle]

Create a pot of random furniture ranging from junk to 4-5c or higher, charge 1c for entrance fee and award entrants with 1 randomly selected furniture and entry into the bigger prize draw. Naturally the majority of the items would be worth less than a coin (or 2 if you want to change the fee) but everybody will still get a (ideally immediate) prize for paying and it's not just half of what they already paid so it's not a loophole. You can still make money, people get a furniture prize and they have the added bonus of a chance at the big win.

You're being extremely defeatist here. If you need funding then explore your options properly and discuss what can be done that is fairest for everyone.


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[Lewis]

I suggested that months ago @Richie (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=51359);

And I suggested it long before you too!

[Empired]

Create a pot of random furniture ranging from junk to 4-5c or higher, charge 1c for entrance fee and award entrants with 1 randomly selected furniture and entry into the bigger prize draw. Naturally the majority of the items would be worth less than a coin (or 2 if you want to change the fee) but everybody will still get a (ideally immediate) prize for paying and it's not just half of what they already paid so it's not a loophole. You can still make money, people get a furniture prize and they have the added bonus of a chance at the big win.

You're being extremely defeatist here. If you need funding then explore your options properly and discuss what can be done that is fairest for everyone.


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That's something I was going to say kind of. Walking home today I was thinking about those old "win every time" grabbers that people used to have. I'll explain for those who don't know:
It's a normal grabber (6x6) but there is a piece of furni in every single space. So whatever number is rolled it will land on SOMETHING, but whether it's worth more than you paid is the point.

Surely that would be allowed as everyone wins every time?

[Richie]

And I suggested it long before you too!


I suggested that months ago @Richie (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=51359);

lmao does it really matter who came up with it, lets not get all hipster, its a good suggestion, I'd imagine more than one person has thought about incorporating the forum to host the competition lol

I don't think it's really worth the risk tbh, losing official status would kill the site from the client. At least we can advertise in game atm.

[Chris]

These ideas are all great ones, but the point I'm getting across is being totally ignored. Habbo now know about the lottery, if we try to cover it up by using a different name or by offering prizes to all players then we are still breaking the rules. There is no way around it and I am not going to be putting our official status at risk. I'm pretty sure Matt and Jin wouldn't want us to be taking that risk either.

[Kyle]

These ideas are all great ones, but the point I'm getting across is being totally ignored. Habbo now know about the lottery, if we try to cover it up by using a different name or by offering prizes to all players then we are still breaking the rules. There is no way around it and I am not going to be putting our official status at risk. I'm pretty sure Matt and Jin wouldn't want us to be taking that risk either.
Your point hasn't been ignored, it's just not an immediately valid one because of the option of discussion and compromise with those who have created the rule. Yes these are in essence "ways to get around the new rule" but their intentions are not to exploit or manipulate habbos or encourage gambling - they are suggestions to offer a unique opportunity for habbos to win a prize with minimal contribution and to extend funding of future habbox events using any surplus. Nobody loses out here and so the ideals embodied in the implementation of the gambling rule simply do not apply.

What needs to be realised is that the main contributing factor to the severance of the lottery scheme is the lack of communication between habbox and habbo which meant that habbo themselves, though they wish to support their fansites as much as possible, had to cover their own asses and ask that it be removed. You have an opportunity now to communicate with the fansite team and explain that you're not looking for loopholes to encourage gambling or profit from the misfortune of others but want to offer a fun service that also happens to have potential to help keep your fansite afloat and in turn keep and attract customers for them. Explain that nobody will lose out and you aren't just altering your scheme to adhere as loosely as possible to rules and that it is fair for everyone.

Habbox is the UK's longest standing habbo fansite, it has an extensive furniture database, regularly updated articles, the largest active habbo-related wikipedia and more. All of these are important to habbo, they know that they need their fansites and they will work with you, but you have to at least try. To see general management of today kowtowing to flimsy demands and not even bothering to fight for such a prestigious site that has really become a cornerstone of habbo history is very disappointing. There is no risk to take, you just need to persuade them that it is beneficial for all before you actually go ahead with it this time. Talk to them and don't back down until every option has been exhausted, it's what habbox deserves.

[Empired]

These ideas are all great ones, but the point I'm getting across is being totally ignored. Habbo now know about the lottery, if we try to cover it up by using a different name or by offering prizes to all players then we are still breaking the rules. There is no way around it and I am not going to be putting our official status at risk. I'm pretty sure Matt and Jin wouldn't want us to be taking that risk either.
I don't really see how your point has been ignored. My suggestion has absolutely nothing to do with the lottery and, as far as I can see, is totally within the rules of Habbo as EVERYONE gets a prize of some form.

You'd do better to communicate with Habbo, put foward the different ideas suggested in this thread (except the ones that are blatantly just trying to avoid the rule) and see what they might be willing to allow. If they still say no to all of them, at least you can say you tried.

[FlyingJesus]

Our apparent lack of communication (or willingness to communicate) with Sulake/Habbo certainly seems to be an issue; again I understand not wanting to antagonise them but discussion should be encouraged especially if they're going to pretend to be doing us a favour by giving us 3 or 4 events a year to make a maze for

[Chris]

I still have my doubts about this, but I will send an email to Habbo tomorrow so that I can find out what is and isn't acceptable. We will put forward some suggestions to them taken from this thread and see what they say.