Why is there separate posting comps?

[Richie]

Why is there separate posting comp for staff / regular users? it just seems pointless, they're still getting the same incentive if you just did an overall competition for the forum :S

[Empired]

i thought Intersocial; said there wasn't a competition specifically for staff, just a scheme to show them how many posts they've made.

[Phil]

In feedback users said that I need to be encouraging staff to post so I am :P

Also, it's not really a competition as such. I just post the stats for each department and give the top posters of each dept 50 tokens

[MKR&*42]

I can't see anywhere in the main post of staff stats about them getting prizes, it's lit. just to show which departments are doing better than others etc I THINK

[Richie]

In feedback users said that I need to be encouraging staff to post so I am :P

So there is separate competitions?

[Brad]

but those who are top in the department (not the dept. manager) received 50 tokens.

[scottish]

It should be one competition not multiple tbh.

So if you're giving them tokens for just being amongst the highest, regular should get it too.

[Richie]

It should be one competition not multiple tbh.

So if you're giving them tokens for just being amongst the highest, regular should get it too.

Pretty much this :P I'm all for activity on the forum, I'm not shooting that down, fair play for trying but there's 141 people in the posting scheme thread, is there really a need for two comps?

So at the moment there's:
Staff posting competition
Staff/Regular user posting competition


@Phil (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=67954); ?

[Phil]

Soz was on the phone!!

I don't really see the staff one as a competition. The prize is only 50 Tokens to thank them for their efforts. While I hope it will encourage staff to post a bit, it also shows managers who is posting and who isn't and hopefully they're promoting posting within their respective departments. I have absolutely no intention of removing this for staff members and I have no intention for adding a smaller prize to the overall forum statistics.

Scott you mentioned "regular should get it too" and I disagree because if I start dishing out smaller prizes for less efforts amongst the community, people won't be trying to hit the 100

Also Richie; how did you know there was one for staff?

[Empired]

Why don't you just reward the top 3 posters each week Phil;
Or reward the top 3 posters as long as they make over, say, 50 posts? That would promote competition among users whereas the current one is just a bit too difficult imo.

[scottish]

Soz was on the phone!!

I don't really see the staff one as a competition. The prize is only 50 Tokens to thank them for their efforts. While I hope it will encourage staff to post a bit, it also shows managers who is posting and who isn't and hopefully they're promoting posting within their respective departments. I have absolutely no intention of removing this for staff members and I have no intention for adding a smaller prize to the overall forum statistics.

Scott you mentioned "regular should get it too" and I disagree because if I start dishing out smaller prizes for less efforts amongst the community, people won't be trying to hit the 100

Also Richie; how did you know there was one for staff?

So basically we're having the same competition, but staff members are getting rewarded for less effort, and regular users are being forced to hit high caps (lets be honest 100 is fairly high considering the activity these days) or no rewards

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Soz was on the phone!!

I don't really see the staff one as a competition. The prize is only 50 Tokens to thank them for their efforts. While I hope it will encourage staff to post a bit, it also shows managers who is posting and who isn't and hopefully they're promoting posting within their respective departments. I have absolutely no intention of removing this for staff members and I have no intention for adding a smaller prize to the overall forum statistics.

Scott you mentioned "regular should get it too" and I disagree because if I start dishing out smaller prizes for less efforts amongst the community, people won't be trying to hit the 100

Also Richie; how did you know there was one for staff?

So basically we're having the same competition, but staff members are getting rewarded for less effort, and regular users are being forced to hit high caps (lets be honest 100 is fairly high considering the activity these days) or no rewards

[Phil]

Why don't you just reward the top 3 posters each week Phil;
Or reward the top 3 posters as long as they make over, say, 50 posts? That would promote competition among users whereas the current one is just a bit too difficult imo.

If I reward the top three they will start getting lower and lower. I don't think we need to lower the limit, it's very possible to hit. I don't think the prize or the limit is the problem at the moment. The only thing making this difficult to hit is the activity on the forum at the moment and for the past while. Only a few months ago it would be rare to get a week where someone didn't hit it so it is very possible to hit so long as the activity is there and people are getting involved.

The reward for staff is only 50 Tokens, it's not like they are being awarded VIP or anything. To even get 1 Week of VIP (which isn't even an option in the sop) from this they'll need to be top for 20 Weeks

[Richie]

Soz was on the phone!!

I don't really see the staff one as a competition. The prize is only 50 Tokens to thank them for their efforts. While I hope it will encourage staff to post a bit, it also shows managers who is posting and who isn't and hopefully they're promoting posting within their respective departments. I have absolutely no intention of removing this for staff members and I have no intention for adding a smaller prize to the overall forum statistics.

Scott you mentioned "regular should get it too" and I disagree because if I start dishing out smaller prizes for less efforts amongst the community, people won't be trying to hit the 100

Also @Richie (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=51359); how did you know there was one for staff?

1) Everyone contributes to the forum, everyone should be rewarded for their effort.
2) What makes this any different to the staff competition?
3) You posted it publicly

[Phil]

1) Everyone contributes to the forum, everyone's efforts should be rewarded.
2) What makes this any different to the staff competition?
3) You posted it publicly

1. They are.
2. Staff one isn't a competition.
3. No I didn't, I just selected the wrong thing on the drop down menu :P I haven't even done the one for this week yet :P

[scottish]

1. They are.
2. Staff one isn't a competition.
3. No I didn't, I just selected the wrong thing on the drop down menu :P I haven't even done the one for this week yet :P

If you're rewarding the top posters of each department, then it is a competition :P

[Phil]

Well if I don't it's just pointless doing it :P

[Empired]

Well if I don't it's just pointless doing it :P
i think that's what they're trying to say

[scottish]

So whether the intention was for it being a competition or not, it's a competition now :P

[Phil]

i think that's what they're trying to say

They're trying to say it's unfair I believe

[Richie]

1. They are.
2. Staff one isn't a competition.
3. No I didn't, I just selected the wrong thing on the drop down menu :P I haven't even done the one for this week yet :P


So how does it work? which people in the staff posting statistics receive tokens? Is vip offered to winners / any other incentives?


I don't know what tokens are / how to earn them neway so idc bout that its just the principal behind it, there's no need to have separate competitions or whatever you want to call it even if it is just for 50tokens, everyone has an equal chance of becoming one of the top 3 posters.

[Phil]

So how does it work? which people in the staff posting statistics receive tokens? Is vip offered to winners / any other incentives?

This is literally what I post after the main post:


Congratulations to the following who have won 50 Tokens for being at the top of their Departments:

Ripieno - Habbox Live, Articles
Wubing - Habbox Help Desk, Values Staff
mdport. - Forum Moderation
bikini - Content, Events
Intersocial - Graphics, Competitions

[scottish]

So give top 10 people 50 tokens each

Sorted.

[Phil]

Are you lot actually stressing over 50 tokens or are you trying to get up post count for next week?

[Richie]

Are you lot actually stressing over 50 tokens or are you trying to get up post count for next week?

bit of both lol jk

Again, I don't know what tokens are / how to earn them neway so idc bout that its just the principle behind it, there's no need to have separate competitions or whatever you want to call it even if it is just for 50tokens, everyone has an equal chance of becoming one of the top 3 posters.

[scottish]

I'm with Richie; it's the principle not the reward :P

[Brad]

So basically we're having the same competition, but staff members are getting rewarded for less effort, and regular users are being forced to hit high caps (lets be honest 100 is fairly high considering the activity these days) or no rewards

I don't think anyone is forcing you to post...

[Empired]

I don't think anyone is forcing you to post...
I think he means if staff want to earn a prize it's easy for them to get, but if a user wants to win a prize for doing the same thing they have to work bloody hard.

it's like telling one person to jump for £10 and another person to run a half marathon for £10

[Phil]

Nah ye just want a handy way to get to 100, this is a decoy ;)

No but seriously, I don't currently intend to do that because of what I said earlier: "if I start dishing out smaller prizes for less efforts amongst the community, people won't be trying to hit the 100"

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I think he means if staff want to earn a prize it's easy for them to get, but if a user wants to win a prize for doing the same thing they have to work bloody hard.

it's like telling one person to jump for £10 and another person to run a half marathon for £10

No it's not? The rewards are completely different.

[Brad]

I think he means if staff want to earn a prize it's easy for them to get, but if a user wants to win a prize for doing the same thing they have to work bloody hard.

it's like telling one person to jump for £10 and another person to run a half marathon for £10

actually no. That comparison doesn't make sense to the current issue.

[scottish]

I don't think anyone is forcing you to post...

I never said we were? Nowhere in that post does it state we are being forced, it said if we want a reward we're forced to hit a high cap.

In order to achieve a reward, you're being forced to hit a fairly high cap, where as staff can do whatever as long as they beat the other member and could end up with 8 posts in a week and get rewarded for it, then people hitting 98 posts and get 0.

[Empired]

actually no. That comparison doesn't make sense to the current issue.
Doesn't it? Staff get a prize for doing something easy and normal members get a prize for doing something quite challenging. What is wrong with my comparison?

[scottish]

Nah ye just want a handy way to get to 100, this is a decoy ;)

No but seriously, I don't currently intend to do that because of what I said earlier: "if I start dishing out smaller prizes for less efforts amongst the community, people won't be trying to hit the 100"

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No it's not? The rewards are completely different.

I don't care about over 100 as I have like 3 years VIP and won't be on the forum for 1/6 of that time :P

So again, you're rewarding the staff for doing very little and you're giving your community members nothing for actively trying to achieve it?

[Richie]

"if I start dishing out smaller prizes for less efforts amongst the community, people won't be trying to hit the 100"just like how staff won't be putting in as much effort in competing for the 'main' competition?

[scottish]

Doesn't it? Staff get a prize for doing something easy and normal members get a prize for doing something quite challenging. What is wrong with my comparison?

Nothing, (s)he just doesn't understand it apparently.

[Brad]

Doesn't it? Staff get a prize for doing something easy and normal members get a prize for doing something quite challenging. What is wrong with my comparison?

There's your difference.
If we're using your comparison I would compare a body guard of the president to a normal citizen... both definitely have two different roles...

and I don't think it is "easy" as the top posters in the regular are staff as well... No one has reached 100 in a long time..

[Empired]

There's your difference.
If we're using your comparison I would compare a body guard of the president to a normal citizen... both definitely have two different roles...
But the aim of the posting scheme is to encourage all members to post more. It shouldn't matter if you're staff or a normal member.

[Richie]

There's your difference.
If we're using your comparison I would compare a body guard of the president to a normal citizen... both definitely have two different roles...

and I don't think it is "easy" as the top posters in the regular are staff as well... No one has reached 100 in a long time..

jump off your high horse.

[Empired]

I wonder which one we are.. jump off your high horse.
init

interesting to see the only people backing the staff rewards are.. staff. big surprise there.

[scottish]

There's your difference.
If we're using your comparison I would compare a body guard of the president to a normal citizen... both definitely have two different roles...

and I don't think it is "easy" as the top posters in the regular are staff as well... No one has reached 100 in a long time..

So you're agreeing with us, the staff are getting easier rewards (especially in some depts which have like 3 members) and no normal member has reached 100 in a long time.

[Brad]

Nothing, (s)he just doesn't understand it apparently.

lol. "(s)he" understands it very well. I just think that the comparison of the two is incorrect of the current situation.

[scottish]

lol. "(s)he" understands it very well. I just think that the comparison of the two is incorrect of the current situation.

Then you'd be wrong.

[Phil]

just like how staff won't be putting in as much effort in competing for the 'main' competition?

Whether that may be the case or not, I don't do the main competition for the staff, I do it for the community. Just so you see they aren't getting a small reward for the "same efforts, I'll post last weeks staff posts here.



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Hello everyone!! First of all, sorry this is late, I have been super busy with the 12 Days of Christmas preparations! Well done to the Forum Department who were the only Department to increase their average post count.

General Management
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Average: 11.17

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Habbox Live
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Habbox Help Desk
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Articles
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Content
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Graphics
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Average: 11.83

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General Management and Department Managers don't get rewarded so don't include those. All of the top posters of each department hit more then 1/4 of the limit (100) the community are asked to hit. For doing this, they get 1/5 of the amount of Tokens (that's if the winner of the community opted for the Token reward) or 1/20 (if the winner of the community opted for VIP).

It's not like they are doing 5-10 posts and getting rewarded for it. In times like that where it has been low, I haven't even given them a prize because it's so low.

[Brad]

jump off your high horse.
Neigh...


init

interesting to see the only people backing the staff rewards are.. staff. big surprise there.

Not really backing it up, more less just trying to see your comparison is invalid.


So you're agreeing with us, the staff are getting easier rewards (especially in some depts which have like 3 members) and no normal member has reached 100 in a long time.

And I never said I was disagreeing at all. I just am pointing out things.. just like everyone one else is.

[scottish]

Whether that may be the case or not, I don't do the main competition for the staff, I do it for the community. Just so you see they aren't getting a small reward for the "same efforts, I'll post last weeks staff posts here.





General Management and Department Managers don't get rewarded so don't include those. All of the top posters of each department hit more then 1/4 of the limit (100) the community are asked to hit. For doing this, they get 1/5 of the amount of Tokens (that's if the winner of the community opted for the Token reward) or 1/20 (if the winner of the community opted for VIP).

It's not like they are doing 5-10 posts and getting rewarded for it. In times like that where it has been low, I haven't even given them a prize because it's so low.

So people with as little as 27/28 post count are being rewarded, yet if we get 99 we wouldn't be..

[Phil]

So people with as little as 27/28 post count are being rewarded, yet if we get 99 we wouldn't be..

Yes. One requirement is post more than anyone in your department. One requirement is hit 100 posts.

Is there REALLYYYYY a massive issue if staff get a little bit of something for their efforts. Staff that work hard at this site and don't get anything in return, staff that have to fund their own prizes etc.

[scottish]

Yes. One requirement is post more than anyone in your department. One requirement is hit 100 posts.

Is there REALLYYYYY a massive issue if staff get a little bit of something for their efforts. Staff that work hard at this site and don't get anything in return, staff that have to fund their own prizes etc.

Well yeah because one is easy to obtain the other isn't. If staff are getting something for their efforts regardless of the overall (if they got over 100 they'd get the 'normal' peoples prize too) then so should normal members.

With regards to how much work etc they put in they get rewarded via Staff of the Month or whatever other schemes run by department managers/AGMs, no need for a forum one too.

[Yupt]

50 tokens is such a small prize that it's hardly noticed anyway. The competition is more to reach number one of your department, friendly competition. It's only in place to encourage staff members to post outside of staff forums anyway.

[scottish]

50 tokens is such a small prize that it's hardly noticed anyway. The competition is more to reach number one of your department, friendly competition. It's only in place to encourage staff members to post outside of staff forums anyway.

Then extend that reward to normal users to encourage them to post full stop.

[Phil]

Then extend that reward to normal users to encourage them to post full stop.

I've made the rewards bigger for encouragement.

[Richie]

Yes. One requirement is post more than anyone in your department. One requirement is hit 100 posts.

Is there REALLYYYYY a massive issue if staff get a little bit of something for their efforts. Staff that work hard at this site and don't get anything in return, staff that have to fund their own prizes etc.

Oh Jesus you're making it out as if its such an awful thing, people choose their roles, its voluntary. Yes I agree they give away furni which I hope people are grateful for but competitions for certain departments aren't mandatory and if they are, they knew that before signing up. A bit of furni here and there is nothing for the endless amount of fun / interactions you have with other staff members. That's speaking from experience, no matter how many competitions I did in the past, my enjoyment at certain departments out weighed that majorly. I understand 50 tokens over something that you may see as so little but it's always the same, its what actually harms this website at times.

Given 50 tokens to staff and not others who may post more / help with activity and for what? It just makes it out to be a 'click'. Another example of a 'click' is staff spam threads (dunno if they still exist or what), but they gave/give staff more reason to stay in their shell. It'd be nice to see some new faces in actual spam.

[FlyingJesus]

4god people getting so antsy about 50 tokens lmao

Phil just say whoever gets the top poster outside of staff can have 50 stupid tokens too then they can stop crying

[Phil]

Oh Jesus you're making it out as if its such an awful thing, people choose their roles, its voluntary. Yes I agree they give away furni which I hope people are grateful for but competitions for certain departments aren't mandatory and if they are, they knew that before signing up. I understand 50 tokens over something that you may see as so little but it's always the same, its what actually harms this website at times.

Given 50 tokens to staff and not others who may post more / help with activity and for what? It just makes it out to be a 'click'. Another example of a 'click' is staff spam threads (dunno if they still exist or what), but they gave/give staff more reason to stay in their shell. It'd be nice to see some new faces in actual spam.

The only thing that's being made out to be an awful thing in this thread is a bit of staff encouragement.

I don't know about any other department but the mod staff spam thread still does exist and it is absolutely dead and Ibelieve that's also the case in most other departments. How do you propose we could see more people in spam?

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4god people getting so antsy about 50 tokens lmao

Phil just say whoever gets the top poster outside of staff can have 50 stupid tokens too then they can stop crying

Omg thank GOD someone agrees I thought I was losing my mind.

Yeah I literally just said that in the managers chat but I'm seeing how far this CATASTROPHE will actually go

[scottish]

I've made the rewards bigger for encouragement.

You can make the reward 300 months of VIP, it's not going to encourage someone when it's a very high target, and failure to meet that target gets you absolutely nothing.

If you're giving staff it for doing very easy stuff, why not make the rules 100+ posts OR the top person?

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4god people getting so antsy about 50 tokens lmao

Phil just say whoever gets the top poster outside of staff can have 50 stupid tokens too then they can stop crying

principle, could be 5 tokens and I'd still complain, could be 5k tokens and I'd still complain.

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The only thing that's being made out to be an awful thing in this thread is a bit of staff encouragement.

I don't know about any other department but the mod staff spam thread still does exist and it is absolutely dead and Ibelieve that's also the case in most other departments. How do you propose we could see more people in spam?

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Omg thank GOD someone agrees I thought I was losing my mind.

Yeah I literally just said that in the managers chat but I'm seeing how far this CATASTROPHE will actually go

enable post count everywhere

and as far as you make it go before you give into our demands!1

[Phil]

You can make the reward 300 months of VIP, it's not going to encourage someone when it's a very high target, and failure to meet that target gets you absolutely nothing.

If you're giving staff it for doing very easy stuff, why not make the rules 100+ posts OR the top person?

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principle, could be 5 tokens and I'd still complain, could be 5k tokens and I'd still complain.

Would you like 50 Tokens for being top? They get 50 for being top of their staff usergroup, whoever is top of posting stats gets 50 for being top of that usergroup? All happy then?

[Richie]

The only thing that's being made out to be an awful thing in this thread is a bit of staff encouragement.

I don't know about any other department but the mod staff spam thread still does exist and it is absolutely dead and Ibelieve that's also the case in most other departments. How do you propose we could see more people in spam?

They already have other incentives Phil, as Scott pointed out. I'm not being a **** but it's not your job to give incentives.

I think people still avoid spam as they think its still full of nasty people, even the likes of flyingjesus/scott have turned down their **** level. I think if managers actually started posting, chatting about regular things, banter related topics, others within that department would join in. I never really see many managers post in spam, maybe the odd time, which is a shame.

[Phil]

They already have other incentives Phil, as Scott pointed out. I'm not being a **** but it's not your job to give incentives.

I think people still avoid spam as they think its still full of nasty people, even the likes of flyingjesus/scott have turned down their **** level. I think if managers actually started posting, chatting about regular things, banter related topics, others within that department would join in. I never really see many managers post in spam, maybe the odd time, which is a shame.

I know it's not my job to give incentives but it is part of my job to encourage posting. Recent feedback said staff need to be encouraged to post because they're not doing it

[scottish]

Would you like 50 Tokens for being top? They get 50 for being top of their staff usergroup, whoever is top of posting stats gets 50 for being top of that usergroup? All happy then?

No, I think it should be 100 top, 90 2nd, 80 3rd, 70 4th 60 5th or something like that. So top 5 will be rewarded rather than 1. And obviously scale the reward as it's a lot harder to compete with what 150 active users than what 4 active staff members

[Phil]

Sure that just defeats the purpose of trying to get 100 posts then

[scottish]

So does giving staff rewards for 28 posts.

Scrap rewards from the staff posts, continue to post/announce them for the sole purpose of showing how well specifics done.

If they want rewards they can join the actual group designated for that purpose and have the same rewards as normal members do.

If it's not encouraging your staff (and normal members) then it's failing and you need to deal with that as it's obviously an issue.

[Phil]

Okay so scrap rewarding the staff and then question why they're not being encouraged to post?

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Would anyone else viewing like to pitch in here? I'm sure there's not only two opinions.

[scottish]

They are being encouraged to post, using the same method every other member of the forum/community is having to use..

[Phil]

Scott it was you that said before that staff aren't posting around enough and they need to be encouraged to do so, that's what I'm doing and now it's a problem.

[Chippiewill]

Ultimately it's 50 tokens, someone's making a mountain out of a molehill.

If you were giving away VIP this might be an issue however 50 tokens is the equivalent of 1/80th of a month of VIP. This is just one of many avenues habbox uses to encourage posting, I see no reason why we shouldn't be pursuing this avenue.

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I don't know about any other department but the mod staff spam thread still does exist and it is absolutely dead and Ibelieve that's also the case in most other departments. How do you propose we could see more people in spam?
To be fair, it might be dead at the moment, but some people have thousands of posts in that thread.

However, we have removed spam threads in the past and that achieved absolutely nothing in terms of posting activity.

[Phil]

To be fair, it might be dead at the moment, but some people have thousands of posts in that thread.

However, we have removed spam threads in the past and that achieved absolutely nothing in terms of posting activity.

Ohh of course, don't get me wrong! The thread is just over five years old and has 50k replies in it. Back when I was staff a few years ago they were so popular and couldn't be kept up with but in the most recent year or two they have just gone dormant

[scottish]

Ultimately it's 50 tokens, someone's making a mountain out of a molehill.

If you were giving away VIP this might be an issue however 50 tokens is the equivalent of 1/80th of a month of VIP. This is just one of many avenues habbox uses to encourage posting, I see no reason why we shouldn't be pursuing this avenue.

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To be fair, it might be dead at the moment, but some people have thousands of posts in that thread.

However, we have removed spam threads in the past and that achieved absolutely nothing in terms of posting activity.

See the countless posts stating it's not about the reward, it's the principle.

[Chippiewill]

See the countless posts stating it's not about the reward, it's the principle.

And I disagree with the principle. It seems this isn't conclusive and doesn't matter.

This is a non-issue.

[Inseriousity.]

When you're staff you get certain advantages (part of a team, staff rewards etc) but you also get certain disadvantages (unable to commit so freely to big events/comps, management/member expectations, professionalism) just as members get certain advantages (free to participate in bigger events, freedom to speak your mind etc) and disadvantages (can be quite isolating, no staff of the month etc).

Ultimately, it balances out in the end.

[Matt]

Are you honestly that bored and so offended at the fact that staff get a little bit extra to thank them for their time and effort towards Habbox. When you think about it, staff get very little in return for the amount of time they put in. Yes there is SOTM and the occasional scheme that allows staff to enter, but it's a forum based incentive for god sake. It's not like they're giving out a throne each week to someone who makes the top posts in their dept. If that was the case, i'd expect you to be up in arms about it. 50 tokens is literally nothing. Look at the token shop..... 1000 tokens to get 5c. Community members are at such a disadvantage that the 50 tokens a week on offer to staff if they get the most posts is completely outrageous. Staff are clearly raking in the $$$ -.-

If you want the privilege of participating in this scheme why not become staff and join in? It's not like it's an exclusive club or anything that only a few people are allowed to join. The opportunity to become staff is open for everyone and there's literally nothing stopping you from becoming staff and participating in it. If anything i'd have seen this as a good way of Habbox saying thanks to it's staff and providing them with motivation to post a bit more. If staff didn't post at all I'm sure there'd be a few questions asked about why they weren't.

I swear Phil can't do anything right these days lol. Give it a rest.

[scottish]

Are you honestly that bored and so offended at the fact that staff get a little bit extra to thank them for their time and effort towards Habbox. When you think about it, staff get very little in return for the amount of time they put in. Yes there is SOTM and the occasional scheme that allows staff to enter, but it's a forum based incentive for god sake. It's not like they're giving out a throne each week to someone who makes the top posts in their dept. If that was the case, i'd expect you to be up in arms about it. 50 tokens is literally nothing. Look at the token shop..... 1000 tokens to get 5c. Community members are at such a disadvantage that the 50 tokens a week on offer to staff if they get the most posts is completely outrageous. Staff are clearly raking in the $$$ -.-

If you want the privilege of participating in this scheme why not become staff and join in? It's not like it's an exclusive club or anything that only a few people are allowed to join. The opportunity to become staff is open for everyone and there's literally nothing stopping you from becoming staff and participating in it. If anything i'd have seen this as a good way of Habbox saying thanks to it's staff and providing them with motivation to post a bit more. If staff didn't post at all I'm sure there'd be a few questions asked about why they weren't.

I swear Phil can't do anything right these days lol. Give it a rest.

Who said you need to be bored to create a thread giving feedback? or offended for that matter? For the 18th time, it's the principle, for the 18th time I couldn't care less if it was 5 tokens of 5000 tokens. Read.

Because I have no interest in becoming staff?

Who said Phil done anything wrong? I'm sure the scheme was probably in place before Phil became Forum Manager, no-ones called out Phil for doing anything wrong? lol.

[Richie]

Are you honestly that bored and so offended at the fact that staff get a little bit extra to thank them for their time and effort towards Habbox. When you think about it, staff get very little in return for the amount of time they put in. Yes there is SOTM and the occasional scheme that allows staff to enter, but it's a forum based incentive for god sake. It's not like they're giving out a throne each week to someone who makes the top posts in their dept. If that was the case, i'd expect you to be up in arms about it. 50 tokens is literally nothing. Look at the token shop..... 1000 tokens to get 5c. Community members are at such a disadvantage that the 50 tokens a week on offer to staff if they get the most posts is completely outrageous. Staff are clearly raking in the $$$ -.-

If you want the privilege of participating in this scheme why not become staff and join in? It's not like it's an exclusive club or anything that only a few people are allowed to join. The opportunity to become staff is open for everyone and there's literally nothing stopping you from becoming staff and participating in it. If anything i'd have seen this as a good way of Habbox saying thanks to it's staff and providing them with motivation to post a bit more. If staff didn't post at all I'm sure there'd be a few questions asked about why they weren't.

I swear Phil can't do anything right these days lol. Give it a rest.

Tbh this thread was originally created out of confusion, i didn't know if the thread was posted as a glitch or what, then phil confirmed there's two comps so a discussion started. Anyone can come into a thread and be like 'BLA BLA HX STAFF DO LOADS, I DO LOADS, I WANT TOKENS' but the fact remains it isn't needed and unfair regardless of the value of tokens that are given.

[Matt]

Who said you need to be bored to create a thread giving feedback? or offended for that matter? For the 18th time, it's the principle, for the 18th time I couldn't care less if it was 5 tokens of 5000 tokens. Read.

Because I have no interest in becoming staff?

Who said Phil done anything wrong? I'm sure the scheme was probably in place before Phil became Forum Manager, no-ones called out Phil for doing anything wrong? lol.

The principle of rewarding staff that volunteer their time to a Habbo fansite seems fine to me? I don't see a problem with it. If you aren't interested in becoming staff then fair play. But why ruin it for those who dedicate quite a bit of time to Habbox and stop them from getting a small reward????

Pretty sure Phil brought it back a few months ago (or I just wasn't paying attention to it). He seems to be copping it from you guys when I think it's a perfectly fine incentive and a good idea to try and increase staff activity outside of their staff forums.

[scottish]

The principle of rewarding staff that volunteer their time to a Habbo fansite seems fine to me? I don't see a problem with it. If you aren't interested in becoming staff then fair play. But why ruin it for those who dedicate quite a bit of time to Habbox and stop them from getting a small reward????

Pretty sure Phil brought it back a few months ago (or I just wasn't paying attention to it). He seems to be copping it from you guys when I think it's a perfectly fine incentive and a good idea to try and increase staff activity outside of their staff forums.

It's not ruining anything? It would be putting staff and normal users alike in a similar competition rather than having two with the same purpose but rewarding one group more and rewarding (for the most part) none in the other.

It's stupid you're all arguing OH BUT 50 TOKENS IS NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! then 5 minutes later WHY RUIN IT FOR THE STAFF? If you're claiming the reward is nothing then what's the issue in taking a more sensible approach to the competition and joining them?

I'm not sure who brought it in and didn't state Phil had or target him for bringing it in. If 'copping it from you guys' is the same as replying to feedback then he sure is.

[Phil]

It's not ruining anything? It would be putting staff and normal users alike in a similar competition rather than having two with the same purpose but rewarding one group more and rewarding (for the most part) none in the other.

It's stupid you're all arguing OH BUT 50 TOKENS IS NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! then 5 minutes later WHY RUIN IT FOR THE STAFF? If you're claiming the reward is nothing then what's the issue in taking a more sensible approach to the competition and joining them?

I'm not sure who brought it in and didn't state Phil had or target him for bringing it in. If 'copping it from you guys' is the same as replying to feedback then he sure is.

You said you didn't want 50 tokens :(

It was in place before I was manager back when Chippiewill was staff. I brought it back when there was feedback about encouraging posting and added the tokens bit

[Matt]

It's not ruining anything? It would be putting staff and normal users alike in a similar competition rather than having two with the same purpose but rewarding one group more and rewarding (for the most part) none in the other.

It's stupid you're all arguing OH BUT 50 TOKENS IS NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! then 5 minutes later WHY RUIN IT FOR THE STAFF? If you're claiming the reward is nothing then what's the issue in taking a more sensible approach to the competition and joining them?

I'm not sure who brought it in and didn't state Phil had or target him for bringing it in. If 'copping it from you guys' is the same as replying to feedback then he sure is.

Staff and the Community are different though, that's kinda the point.

Staff provide you with Events/Articles/Graphics/Content etc. Community members aren't dedicating their time to produce such work (if you want to call it work?). So including a scheme for staff is a way of saying thanks & acts as motivation, doesn't it?

As Mike said, staff are excluded from entering certain competitions during the year. As an example, the quick quizzes on the forum's Christmas day (where each quiz was worth 2 weeks of VIP and there was about 6 of them), the forum staff were excluded from that. I'm sure other big events that have been held - staff have not been allowed to enter (like graphics staff, they aren't allowed to enter the photography competition are they?). No one complains when staff aren't allowed to enter certain things simply because they're staff - so having small little things on the side where community members can't enter.... I'd have said it balances out quite nicely.

[FlyingJesus]

WAA WAA STAFF GET 50 TOKENS FOR BEING TOP POSTER IN THEIR GROUP
Ok we'll add 50 tokens to the top poster each week then
NO I WANT MORE THAN THAT AND SCALE IT TO BE ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY REFLECTIVE OF HOW MANY USERS THERE ARE PER WEEK WITH COMPLEX MATRICES TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING FOR THE SITE DON'T GET TO THINK THEY'RE BETTER THAN ME

Literally how this is going. If it's about "the principle" rather than the amount then accept the 50 for top poster because that's all that anyone's getting, it's not a big deal and there are already other rewards for other stuff. Whining for 8 pages about 50 tokens when we have issues like the complete lack of Christmas VIP song this year (which is a great community effort.. usually) and low client/community presence makes you look like the petty child that you are

[scottish]

You said you didn't want 50 tokens :(

It was in place before I was manager back when Chippiewill was staff. I brought it back when there was feedback about encouraging posting and added the tokens bit

I thought you meant personally :P

I'd like top 5 people to be rewarded, so it'll encourage people to go for top 5 as well as the overall. The whole system needs an overhaul tbh as it's clearly not working as people are in no way aiming to get it.

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Staff and the Community are different though, that's kinda the point.

Staff provide you with Events/Articles/Graphics/Content etc. Community members aren't dedicating their time to produce such work (if you want to call it work?). So including a scheme for staff is a way of saying thanks & acts as motivation, doesn't it?

As Mike said, staff are excluded from entering certain competitions during the year. As an example, the quick quizzes on the forum's Christmas day (where each quiz was worth 2 weeks of VIP and there was about 6 of them), the forum staff were excluded from that. I'm sure other big events that have been held - staff have not been allowed to enter (like graphics staff, they aren't allowed to enter the photography competition are they?). No one complains when staff aren't allowed to enter certain things simply because they're staff - so having small little things on the side where community members can't enter.... I'd have said it balances out quite nicely.

and evidently members need motivation to post too, which currently is 100 posts for 1 week VIP or nothing.

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WAA WAA STAFF GET 50 TOKENS FOR BEING TOP POSTER IN THEIR GROUP
Ok we'll add 50 tokens to the top poster each week then
NO I WANT MORE THAN THAT AND SCALE IT TO BE ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY REFLECTIVE OF HOW MANY USERS THERE ARE PER WEEK WITH COMPLEX MATRICES TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING FOR THE SITE DON'T GET TO THINK THEY'RE BETTER THAN ME

Literally how this is going. If it's about "the principle" rather than the amount then accept the 50 for top poster because that's all that anyone's getting, it's not a big deal and there are already other rewards for other stuff. Whining for 8 pages about 50 tokens when we have issues like the complete lack of Christmas VIP song this year (which is a great community effort.. usually) and low client/community presence makes you look like the petty child that you are

you could adopt a scaling different each week respective of how many users there are, good idea.

The idea is for more than 1 person to be rewarded, otherwise it isn't everything or nothing. If it's 8 threads it's because people are replying, make a christmas VIP thread if you feel it requires feedback, as well as other issues.

[Phil]

I thought you meant personally :P

I'd like top 5 people to be rewarded, so it'll encourage people to go for top 5 as well as the overall. The whole system needs an overhaul tbh as it's clearly not working as people are in no way aiming to get it.



I don't think the prize of the posting stats is behind the lack of activity

[scottish]

I don't think the prize of the posting stats is behind the lack of activity

I think the whole scheme is failing as it's not motivating anyone to post to obtain any reward, which is the sole purpose for its existence.

So the whole thing needs to be reworked in my opinion, both rewards and the criteria.

[Richie]

Just out of curiosity, why was it originally removed? Phil;

[FlyingJesus]

It's unfair that staff have more rewards than non-staff!
Let's give more rewards to non-staff than staff!

[Richie]

It's unfair that staff have more rewards than non-staff!
Let's give more rewards to non-staff than staff!

I'm glad you agree.

[scottish]

Changing one method that according to you and various other is 'ONLY 50 TOKENS' shouldn't be an issue then?

They'll still have various different schemes available to them INCLUDING THIS ONE. This isn't taking it away from them, it's simply combining it with the community as a whole.

[Phil]

Just out of curiosity, why was it originally removed? Phil;

Sorry, I must have missed something, why was what removed? Do you mean the staff posting before?

[scottish]

Sorry, I must have missed something, why was what removed? Do you mean the staff posting before?

Yes, you said it was originally around when Chippie was staff, then you reintroduced it with tokens I believe?

[Phil]

Chippiewill did it when he was staff before he was fired/resigned (can't remember). Nobody carried it on following his departure and I started it again more recently, that's all.

[scottish]

Ah okay, so it wasn't actually cancelled just neglected :P

[Chippiewill]

When I stopped being Content Manager I became a bit too inconsistent to run it and the forum manager at the time didn't understand the script I was using to generate the stats.

[Samantha]

I don't really care about the incentive of Tokens for the staff posting, I just like to see my department posting more in the week because they want to, not down to an incentive.

I do see the point that it's basically 100 posts or get nothing yet you are posting, aiming towards that goal sometimes yet it's still not thought of. I'd give a prize to at least the top person each week, perhaps smaller ones to those near the top too.

However, it's 50 Tokens, I don't care about it, I just volunteer my time like a lot of us do, it just seems people really do care a lot about a virtual currency. We chose to become staff and we always have the choice to resign too, likewise with the members.

Staff may appear different to the community, but without a community we don't need staff, we wouldn't even have a fansite to volunteer at.

[Empired]

I don't think the prize of the posting stats is behind the lack of activity
I actually kind of disagree. This sounds weird and I'm not saying it's a massive issue, but I think many people (e.g Samanfa's post below) are saying that there is a problem with the prize.

Obviously it's not a huge problem that, if fixed, will change the course of the entire site, but I think it's one of countless small problems that are contributing to Habbox's dwindling popularity. We need to slowly get round to addressing ALL problems to be able to get Habbox a bit more lively again. I think one of the problems at the moment is that a lot of people are assuming Habbox's difficulties have one or two main reasons and that's it. In reality, it seems to be down to so many small (but important) problems.

I think what I'm trying to say is people are labeling lots of small problems as one big problem. So like forum activity is dwindling and that seems like a big thing, but it could be down to small things like incentives for posting, the atmosphere in spam (this is only example and spam may not be the case), lack of staff posting, etc.
Same with on-client activity. It might be down to how the small amount of active habbo/habbox users are spread over three different rooms (event, hxhd, dj room), there aren't enough activities to do when there are no events on, the prizes in events aren't attractive enough to new users, there aren't enough events on to get regulars interested, managers often don't come online, etc.

TL;DR I'm saying the prize for the posting scheme is one tiny problem but fixing it would still be a small step in the right direction.


I don't really care about the incentive of Tokens for the staff posting, I just like to see my department posting more in the week because they want to, not down to an incentive.

I do see the point that it's basically 100 posts or get nothing yet you are posting, aiming towards that goal sometimes yet it's still not thought of. I'd give a prize to at least the top person each week, perhaps smaller ones to those near the top too.

However, it's 50 Tokens, I don't care about it, I just volunteer my time like a lot of us do, it just seems people really do care a lot about a virtual currency. We chose to become staff and we always have the choice to resign too, likewise with the members.

Staff may appear different to the community, but without a community we don't need staff, we wouldn't even have a fansite to volunteer at.
I was trying to say that earlier sam. I think sometimes people forget that staff need the community just as much as the community needs staff for Habbox to survive?

[Yupt]

I missed a couple of pages so I apologise if i'm repeating someone.

To increase the incentive for posting why not keep the prize for 100 posts but then, even if 100 posts isn't reached that week, have a prize for top 5 anyway. So 100 tokens, 90, 80, 70, 60.

[The Don]

Users already have the posting comp, I see no problem with staff having a separate one.

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So you're agreeing with us, the staff are getting easier rewards (especially in some depts which have like 3 members) and no normal member has reached 100 in a long time.

They're staff, surely helping habbox out should come with extra incentives? That's like me going into Asda and complaining that the staff there get things 20% cheaper than me.

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Oh Jesus you're making it out as if its such an awful thing, people choose their roles, its voluntary. Yes I agree they give away furni which I hope people are grateful for but competitions for certain departments aren't mandatory and if they are, they knew that before signing up. A bit of furni here and there is nothing for the endless amount of fun / interactions you have with other staff members. That's speaking from experience, no matter how many competitions I did in the past, my enjoyment at certain departments out weighed that majorly. I understand 50 tokens over something that you may see as so little but it's always the same, its what actually harms this website at times.

Given 50 tokens to staff and not others who may post more / help with activity and for what? It just makes it out to be a 'click'. Another example of a 'click' is staff spam threads (dunno if they still exist or what), but they gave/give staff more reason to stay in their shell. It'd be nice to see some new faces in actual spam.

Join a department if you really want those 50 extra tokens. It's hard enough finding staff as it is and now you're trying to claw away any extra incentives they have? lmao

[scottish]

I missed a couple of pages so I apologise if i'm repeating someone.

To increase the incentive for posting why not keep the prize for 100 posts but then, even if 100 posts isn't reached that week, have a prize for top 5 anyway. So 100 tokens, 90, 80, 70, 60.

That is literally my exact suggestion :P