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scottish
06-01-2015, 07:36 PM
The NHS in England has missed its four-hour A&E waiting time target with performance dropping to its lowest level for a decade, figures show.

From October to December 92.6% of patients were seen in four hours - below the 95% target.

The performance is the worst quarterly result since the target was introduced at the end of 2004.

The rest of the UK is also missing the target and a number of hospitals have declared "major incidents" recently.

This signifies they are facing exceptional pressures and triggers extra staff being called in and other steps, including cancelling non-emergency care, such as routine operations.

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Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt admitted meeting the A&E standard was proving tough, but pointed out that England has some of the toughest targets in the world.

"Targets matter but not at any cost. The priority is to treat people with dignity and respect."

But Shadow Health Secretary Andy Burnham said patients were being exposed to "an unacceptable levels of risk".

"This crisis in A&E has its roots in the government's cuts to social care and GP access and its disastrous decision to throw the NHS into the chaos of reorganisation."

'Intolerable pressure'
It is the second time the target - which measures the point from arrival to being discharged, admitted to hospital or transferred elsewhere - has been missed under the coalition.

In the first three months of 2013 94.1% of patients were seen in four hours.

Meeting the target has proved particularly tough since the end of the summer.

The target has been missed on a weekly basis - England provides these figures along with the quarterly statistics - every week except one since the end of August.

Analysis: What is a major incident?
If a hospital declares a major incident or internal incident, it is a sign that things have got exceptionally busy and special measures are need to cope.

This can happen in winter when demands are high, but also at other times, for example if there is a major road accident. The declaration allows hospital bosses to call in extra staff to help them cope. But it is also worth noting that some hospitals may not necessarily go public with their problems. You can be sure that there are more sites under intense pressure than the numbers officially on alert.

What is important is what steps they take in terms of restricting the flow of patients into the hospital. One of the first measures is to start postponing routine activity, such as knee and hip operations or outpatient appointments. This is not uncommon - and is likely to be happening at a significant number of sites at the moment.

More unusual is diverting ambulances so no emergency patients arrive. In effect, that closes the hospital. However, this is only used as a last resort as it increases demands on nearby sites.

However, the performance in England is still better than elsewhere in the UK. The data in the other nations lags a bit behind England.

In Wales the data from November shows just 83.8% of patients were seen in time.

Northern Ireland is performing even worse - just over 80% of patients were seen within four hours in November.

Scotland has a slightly tougher waiting time target - 98% of patients should be seen in four hours - but in September 93.5% were.

Comparing the September figures for England and Scotland shows England was performing slightly better in that month.


A&E performance across the UK
Nation ----------------------- Target --------------------------- Latest performance
England ------------ 95% of patients in four hours ----- 92.6% October to December
Northern Ireland -- 95% of patients in four hours ----- 80.5% in November
Scotland ----------- 98% of patients in four hours ----- 93.5% of patients in September
Wales -------------- 95% of patients in four hours ----- 83.8% of patients in November

It means according to latest data all parts of the UK are missing the A&E waiting time target.

Labour's Andy Burnham said: "This crisis in A&E has its roots in the Government's cuts to social care and GP access and its disastrous decision to throw the NHS into the chaos of reorganisation."

Dr Cliff Mann, of the College of Emergency Medicine, warned hospitals were reaching a "tipping point".

He said part of the reason was the NHS non-emergency line 111 advising an increasing proportion of people to seek emergency care.

Dr Mann said: "My concern is the daily intolerable pressure is starting to have an effect on staff - they are more likely to become sick, become unable to work, burn out and choose to go into other professions. That means it is not a sustainable situation".

Royal College of Nursing general secretary Peter Carter said: "These figures show what patients and staff already know - A&E departments are constantly running at full capacity. Patients and hardworking staff are being let down by a system which is in crisis."

Dr Mark Porter, of the British Medical Association, added hospitals were facing "unprecedented levels of demand".

"Staff are working flat out but the system is struggling to cope with the sheer number of patients coming through the door. Growing pressure on services throughout the year means hospitals have no spare capacity to deal with the winter spike in demand."

How the UK has prepared for winter
- In England an extra £700m has been set aside to help the NHS. This is paying for the equivalent of 1,000 extra doctors, 2,000 nurses and 2,000 community staff, including social workers and physios.
- Ministers in Scotland have announced a total of £28.2m for the NHS to increase capacity and improve the way patients are discharged during winter.
- In Wales the NHS has been given an extra £200m for this year. The money is for the whole health service, but ministers say it will help relieve pressure in the coming months.
- Ministers in Northern Ireland have released an additional £5m for both hospitals and the community, including ambulance liaison officers to speed up handovers between paramedics and A&E teams.

Thoughts?

You can check your local hospital using this; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25055444

Apparently Scotlands are the best atm :P

MKR&*42
06-01-2015, 07:39 PM
/Waits for someone to come in raging that the healthcare system should be privatised
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Odear mine is one of the worst
83.4% :¬:

dbgtz
06-01-2015, 07:41 PM
Good thing Labour plans to fund Scottish hospitals with UK money (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30699821):)

I'm not surprised, but better to have to wait a bit over 4 hours than not have the option at all :P

lemons
06-01-2015, 07:46 PM
my hospital is 94%

David
06-01-2015, 07:53 PM
tl'dr all of it.

was in a&e yesterday morning and i've never seen it as busy, the waiting room was full and there was no available treatment rooms so people were sitting on chairs around the nurses station waiting to be seen.

i was out in 3 hours though, an hour of that waiting for blood results.

Jssy
06-01-2015, 07:55 PM
My local hospital has just released alerts that its in 'Major Incident' officially which means it hasn't got enough beds and can't cope so they desperately need to get out of it and have warned people to only go in genuine emergencies. I've experienced waiting times of that nature. When I dislocated my knee it was at said hospital and I was on a trolley in a corridor as they didn't have the space on the actual A&E to treat me yet there were drunk patients on a saturday night in their own private rooms on the A&E? Not my judgement anyway but it's going to get a lot worse as can be seen before it's going to get better, the NHS is overstretched with cuts been made everywhere

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/05/scarborough-hospital-major-insident-unprecedented-demand

xxMATTGxx
06-01-2015, 08:02 PM
91.9%
Patients seen in 4 hours

For my local A&E

Hannah
06-01-2015, 08:57 PM
My local isn't actually as bad as it appears according to that... though it's been under review a few times and more news came out recently about special measures. We once had tainted blood too.

90.2% within 4 hours though. At least you were seen within 4 hours of waiting before leaving with a completely new and worse illness.

Jordan
06-01-2015, 10:11 PM
I haven't been in my local hospital is years, or a doctor thinking about it. My local hospital is at 89.4%


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Jssy
06-01-2015, 10:28 PM
How do you find out percentages

Chippiewill
06-01-2015, 10:32 PM
That graph looks a little off:
http://i.imgur.com/Hk2i2lx.png

-:Undertaker:-
07-01-2015, 03:18 AM
A centralised 1950s system of healthcare in the 21st century to me seems completely absurd. As it happens though, anyone who dares suggests any savings or reforms to the NHS is crucified and thus we don't actually get any debate on it as it is a sacred cow. But reality will hit one day, that there are better ways.

In the current climate (and of the past 50 years) I expect the response to any NHS-related problem will be to throw even more money at it.

Kyle
07-01-2015, 04:45 AM
Our hospitalis also in major incident and if you guys think 80-90% is bad then consider 60! A&e has always been one of the least efficient areas of any hospital in my experience and I have broken a lot of bones! There needs to be more public information available for people to reassure them that their ailments aren't emergencies and that they shouldn't be there wasting to time and space of those that actually need treatment.
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/06/64d704dac276b3385ecc5813f678d1a4.jpg
-:Undertaker:-; other than 'throwing money at it' what would your suggestion to remedy the problem be?


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Jssy
07-01-2015, 11:00 AM
That's definitely bad, just checked mine and they are meeting targets of seeing 95% of patients within 3 hours

-:Undertaker:-
09-01-2015, 12:19 AM
-:Undertaker:-; other than 'throwing money at it' what would your suggestion to remedy the problem be?

Decentralise the NHS massively, look at contracting out (partly done already) as well as introducing an opt out for taxpayers if they wish to opt out of state healthcare and instead go for private, thus relieving an enormous strain on the health service. Cuts in senior levels of the NHS budget can also be made.

Infact, I bet if you simply froze the NHS budget you could improve purely out of the wasteful spending in it. The problem is getting the state to spend wisely.

Catchy
09-01-2015, 03:28 AM
A&E is of course going to be busy though? Staff obviously have to prioritise and someone who needs investigations for lets say a blood clot is obviously going to take priority over somebody with a broken toe.

thms
09-01-2015, 05:46 AM
90.9%
patients seen in four hours

Empired
09-01-2015, 12:38 PM
75.2% of people are being seen in under 4 hours in my local hospital (Addenbrooke's). Apparently we're the worst in the country (http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/E-figures-8203-Cambridge-University-Hospitals-CUH/story-25812104-detail/story.html) :'( We've had a terrible bed blocking problem for months now and I've already heard that one area of A&E was being used as a ward because we have no beds.

AgnesIO
09-01-2015, 06:10 PM
yay 9th lowest major hospital in the country. Top work. My Uni one isn't much better...

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