Arcade

[scottish]

Can we switch back to ibProArcade. It has much better layout and it had a lot better features (such as tournaments)

pls xxMATTGxx;

If we can't change then first of all can the arcade be fixed on the Non Habbo Dark Skin

http://www.lexet.net/ScreenShot067.png

and can we redo the arcane, so reset the scores, add a few other games and actually maintain it, rather than leaving it to collect dust.

Actively encourage people to use it, whether that means waiting a few months then offering people rewards for beating scores etc or whatever else.

[xxMATTGxx]

Templates don't magically look nice by changing the plugins, it's because none of them have ever been edited to make it look nice 100% with the skins we have. That's why it looks perfect on the default vbulletin skin that comes with every vbulletin.

[Chippiewill]

If someone reminds me on Saturday I will fiddle around with the template for the dark skin to make it look nicer.

[Inseriousity.]

reset the scores? i object!
for obvious reasons.

The high scores that are currently there are the only thing motivating the current people to use it. Getting it more active would obviously be a huge mistake and you should all just forget it exists.

[Chippiewill]

I just looked at ibProArcade. Apparently ---MAD--- helped make it.
http://i.imgur.com/5OeNZQc.png


reset the scores? i object!
for obvious reasons.

Could always look at importing the high scores.

[Inseriousity.]

Scott has rose-tinted glasses cos the tournament system was always buggy and terrible (it not actually moving people up when they should be etc).
---MAD--- did a ---BAD--- job (this is a joke rosy would do, this 1 is for her).

I was responding to scott's OP which is calling for a reset of the arcade. I'd like some new games, not too fussed about tournaments (see above) but I disagree with resetting the scores.

[FlyingJesus]

Reset the scores just to annoy Mike he's a hacker anyway but yeah tournaments were crap and the old system would constantly either not record any score at all or randomly give you millions of points for 7 seconds of gameplay

In closing, don't change the system to the old one but do delete Mike's scores because it'll be funny

[scottish]

The arcade needs a new lease of life, and score resets would be something I'd encourage as it's obviously going to get people into it as there's not some stupidly high 300 million score to try to beat.

So it would encourage old people to get into it to achieve their old score, and new people as they feel as though they can actually get a score.



MAD didn't help make it, he gave feedback on bugs which the developer then fixed so probably why he was credited within that.

[Inseriousity.]

I'm not a hacker, took me ages to get those especially the Android one lmao took me like a thousand goes :(
And it wouldn't change anything. The same old people would use it. If that was the case, we'd be resetting post count to encourage newer people to feel like they can reach the top and that wouldn't matter because older members would be encouraged to get their post count back to where it was. It's a totally bogus argument.

[scottish]

Not really, the arcade could easily be more advertised and attention brought to it via tournaments and other 'rewards' for participation within it.

However if you go on a game and see someone with a score of like 30 million and you got 10k on your first go, how likely are the majority to attempt to get a high score? They're not.

I never use the arcade as the scores are stupidly high and there's no encouragement for me to get them apart from a little bit at the side saying gz you got 4 medals or something :P

Reset score, advertise it more, hold more tournaments with actual rewards, offer other rewards too for example maybe January = this game, person with highest score at the end of the month wins <insert prize here>. Add more games, actually maintain the arcade rather than just having it sit there.

Hell I'd even go as far as saying clean out the arcade every 3 months (score-wise)

[Inseriousity.]

The scores are not stupidly high. They are achieveable within the context of the game itself.

There are:

Member of the Month
100 posts of the Week
Happy Hour
Posting comps (although these are rare now).

There is no evidence to suggest that these advertising/competitions have provided any incentive to get people to post extra... apart from the people that already post to begin with. The same principle applies with the arcade and it would be stupid to reset it completely, never mind reset it every 3 months. "Oh don't bother trying to get any score at all on there, it'll be gone soon"

Surely it might actually create more competition if the forum actively encourages people to beat somebody, especially if that person is somebody people aren't too fond of. "That Mike is a *****, the person who beats him or gets the closest in the month of January wins []" same comp without the stupid reset. Lewis and I have an ongoing rivalry over the game Ping Pong II because we were competing with each other for the best score. You only need to look at the first couple of pages in the hiscores of that game to show that this approach does generate more activity.

You never use the arcade because you have no interest in it to begin with.

[Nick]

ibproaracde has a tournament system (i think) if we get it then we can do tournaments instead of 2v2

[Chris]

Wasn't the old arcade removed due to a security loophole? Would be nice to have the old tournaments system again as that was superior to the current one, but to be honest I don't think there is enough demand for the old arcade to warrant changing it at the cost of everyones scores unless it can actually be imported.

[scottish]

The scores are not stupidly high. They are achieveable within the context of the game itself.

There are:

Member of the Month
100 posts of the Week
Happy Hour
Posting comps (although these are rare now).

There is no evidence to suggest that these advertising/competitions have provided any incentive to get people to post extra... apart from the people that already post to begin with. The same principle applies with the arcade and it would be stupid to reset it completely, never mind reset it every 3 months. "Oh don't bother trying to get any score at all on there, it'll be gone soon"

Surely it might actually create more competition if the forum actively encourages people to beat somebody, especially if that person is somebody people aren't too fond of. "That Mike is a *****, the person who beats him or gets the closest in the month of January wins []" same comp without the stupid reset. Lewis and I have an ongoing rivalry over the game Ping Pong II because we were competing with each other for the best score. You only need to look at the first couple of pages in the hiscores of that game to show that this approach does generate more activity.

You never use the arcade because you have no interest in it to begin with.

They are achievable, if you want to spent 3 months playing the game to master every technique. Like you said yourself you took 1000 goes on one game..

Member of the Month - isn't made for quantity of posts, it's for quality isn't it?
Weekly posting stats - no-one actually achieves this
Happy Hour - it does increase posts from what I've seen, and it's very rarely actually done
Posting comps - these exist?

Resetting score will both increase new people using it and old, as the old people will try to re-get their scores and new people will attempt to get a high score too. Rather than how it is now with everyone stupidly high score and maybe 1 person playing it a week to try and improve their score (like yourself).

No, that won't create competition as it's not a realistic score if you've spent 2 years achieving that score and they have 1 month.

I have no interest in playing the Arcade because the scores are stupidly high as you's have been spending years to achieve the scores that you now have. I understand you're obviously going to oppose the idea as you've spent months/years practising the same games to attempt to get a high score. I don't want to play something if it's going to take me a month of mastering, 1000+ plays to attempt to get anywhere near a high score.

At the end of the day, the arcade is dead and will remain that way unless it's done. Whether you agree with the changes or not, it won't change that fact.

[Nick]

Wasn't the old arcade removed due to a security loophole? Would be nice to have the old tournaments system again as that was superior to the current one, but to be honest I don't think there is enough demand for the old arcade to warrant changing it at the cost of everyones scores unless it can actually be imported.

Is Scotts demand not enough :Laughing::Laughing:

[scottish]

ibproaracde has a tournament system (i think) if we get it then we can do tournaments instead of 2v2

1v1


Wasn't the old arcade removed due to a security loophole? Would be nice to have the old tournaments system again as that was superior to the current one, but to be honest I don't think there is enough demand for the old arcade to warrant changing it at the cost of everyones scores unless it can actually be imported.

I'm not sure, I asked MattG earlier and he said he thought it was a security problem, and after checking the ibProArcade it said it was updated in Feb 2012 and suggested everyone update to it due to previous versions having a security exploit, so it may have been fixed in that version.

[Inseriousity.]

The arcade is far from dead just because you don't play it. Would Lewis play the Ball a Track game so much today were it not for the challenge involved in trying to beat a high score? Probably not. Would I have played Asteroids so many times were it not for the challenge involved in trying to beat a high score? Definitely not.

I have not spent months/years practicing these games. I have played some of them. Some games I have been lucky and managed to get the highscore within the week. Others have been more of a challenge (I believe these are a minority of games though and not a reason to justify a reset). There is absolutely no evidence that it'll attract new members to play and older members to return. Should we start resetting post count every 3 months just so newer members feel more encouraged to post? Or would that actually have the opposite effect if their post count is just going to be reset anyway? The evidence on posting suggests that these long-term posting competitions do not actually encourage long-term posting with the people who already post consistently achieving the prizes intended to encourage those who don't. The same will happen to the arcade.

[scottish]

The arcade is far from dead just because you don't play it. Would Lewis play the Ball a Track game so much today were it not for the challenge involved in trying to beat a high score? Probably not. Would I have played Asteroids so many times were it not for the challenge involved in trying to beat a high score? Definitely not.

I have not spent months/years practicing these games. I have played some of them. Some games I have been lucky and managed to get the highscore within the week. Others have been more of a challenge (I believe these are a minority of games though and not a reason to justify a reset). There is absolutely no evidence that it'll attract new members to play and older members to return. Should we start resetting post count every 3 months just so newer members feel more encouraged to post? Or would that actually have the opposite effect if their post count is just going to be reset anyway? The evidence on posting suggests that these long-term posting competitions do not actually encourage long-term posting with the people who already post consistently achieving the prizes intended to encourage those who don't. The same will happen to the arcade.

The arcade is far from dead?

There's what 3 active users? and even then let's see
Ms.Aquamarine - 6 Jan a few tries
Lewis - 6 Jan, 4 tries
Lewis - 3rd Jan, 7 tries
Ms.Aquamarine - 3rd Jan, 1 try
Lewis - 2 Jan, quite a few tries


Yes, you Ms.Aquamarine and Lewis might have a back and forward thing, but that doesn't mean it not dead.

I'm not simply suggesting let's reset the score, it's combined with other factors to increase the publicity of it, rather than leaving it dead with 3 active people a month and refusing to change anything because 1 or more of those 3 would be upset that their progress would be gone.

Post count is nothing to do with an arcade, an arcade is for competitiveness and beating the high score. A post count is a running total of how many times you've posted, nothing to do with competitiveness? You play a game to get a high score and beat other people, you don't join a forum to get the #1 post count.. completely irrelevant.

[MKR&*42]

no need to reset scores tbh how silly

add more games, advertise it, host more big tournaments (mentioned this in a feedback thred not too long ago) offer rewards etc and activity in it will increase.

the only reason it's dead is cause no1 i s promoting it

[Inseriousity.]

Okay I'll explain another way:

Your argument: Resetting the arcade will encourage new members to play and older members to retain their score:

Option 1: Reset the arcade every 3 months.

The older members won't bother to retain their score if their effort is just going to be wasted in 3 months time.
The newer members will use the arcade then not bother (see above) once the 3 months is up.
And so on and so on until no-one's using it.

Option 2: Reset the arcade as a one off

The older members will still have the training from months/years "playing the game to master every technique" so will retain their high score in time, possibly even within the week and possibly with a higher score than before the reset because they won't have necessarily bothered trying to beat it again.
The newer members will play for a while until that process is complete.
The arcade is returned back to its original state.

I'm not saying you have to do nothing (my original post in this thread was a joke btw). I see no problem with adding new games, creating tournaments, having little competitions (although I would change them slightly from your original proposal). I am arguing with the options above that any sort of reset system within the arcade will not solve any issues.

If it is true as you say that the arcade is for "competitiveness and beating the high score", then me, rosy, Lewis being "upset that [our] progress has gone" is false because it's not "progress" being at the top. That's called winning and you're just a bad loser if you have to reset the score to zero to beat it.

[Yupt]

Just spent like an hour playing on the arcade, good fun. Being advertised more could really get it going.

[FlyingJesus]

I personally don't use it because I don't have an interest in arcade games any more, but also because I thought the whole thing was still buggered. I don't recall much of a re-launch when we changed the system but I do remember the personal pages for it not working so I always assumed the whole arcade was still buggy as ever. I've played twice in the past 3 years, but it's to do with not wanting to play those games rather than feeling demoralised by low scores

[Lewis]

as long as the scores don't get reset, i can't let inseriousity have my pingpong #1 score for even a single second - or any of my other #1 scores!

[Empired]

I wouldn't be opposed to the scores being reset. Some of the high scores look awful because they're so out of date. The last top score for Angry Birds, 2 Ball Pool, Bejeweled 2, Bloody Pingu, Chopper, Crazycars, FA18 Strike Force, Ms Pacman, Snake, and Space Invaders was 2012 for god's sake. Plus most of those "champions" no longer use the forum (FlyingJesus being the only real exception). It seems like Mike, Lewis and Rosy are the only people using the arcade these days. But I'll get to my point about the resetting of scores in a moment.

The whole thing needs a real advertisement push AND a rethink in general. Here are my suggestions:

Large scale tournaments held frequently and regularly (I'd go for one weekend a month/every six weeks).
Hire one or two people (from different timezones?) to run the official tournaments every month/six weeks. This is because I know General Management will start out saying "oh we can handle it" and then they'll just drop it again in two months' time and hope no one notices. Maybe these arcade runners could be honorary members of the events team seeing as those tournaments would technically be events and there should be prizes handed out to the winners of the tournaments :P
Ask current HabboxForum users which games they'd like to see added to the arcade to spark interest. Also ask which games they'd like to remove to get rid of any dead weight.
Through a poll in Feedback, find out if the majority of users would like to reset scores or not. (Don't allow a "I don't know/care" option please!) This seems the fairest way to find out whether or not people would like it removed because we've seen in the past a lot of "silent" users have an opinion but may not want to post in a thread. Particularly when it subjects them to the wrath of Scott or Mike!! ;)
Do something more than have that tiny little button at the top of the page saying "Arcade". I think this is really important as I went around on this forum for over 3 years without even knowing we had an arcade. I think the only reason I found it was because I accidentally stumbled across it.

[DKJA]

I wouldn't be opposed to the scores being reset. Some of the high scores look awful because they're so out of date. The last top score for Angry Birds, 2 Ball Pool, Bejeweled 2, Bloody Pingu, Chopper, Crazycars, FA18 Strike Force, Ms Pacman, Snake, and Space Invaders was 2012 for god's sake. Plus most of those "champions" no longer use the forum (FlyingJesus being the only real exception). It seems like Mike, Lewis and Rosy are the only people using the arcade these days. But I'll get to my point about the resetting of scores in a moment.

The whole thing needs a real advertisement push AND a rethink in general. Here are my suggestions:

Large scale tournaments held frequently and regularly (I'd go for one weekend a month/every six weeks).
Hire one or two people (from different timezones?) to run the official tournaments every month/six weeks. This is because I know General Management will start out saying "oh we can handle it" and then they'll just drop it again in two months' time and hope no one notices. Maybe these arcade runners could be honorary members of the events team seeing as those tournaments would technically be events and there should be prizes handed out to the winners of the tournaments :P
Ask current HabboxForum users which games they'd like to see added to the arcade to spark interest. Also ask which games they'd like to remove to get rid of any dead weight.
Through a poll in Feedback, find out if the majority of users would like to reset scores or not. (Don't allow a "I don't know/care" option please!) This seems the fairest way to find out whether or not people would like it removed because we've seen in the past a lot of "silent" users have an opinion but may not want to post in a thread. Particularly when it subjects them to the wrath of Scott or Mike!! ;)
Do something more than have that tiny little button at the top of the page saying "Arcade". I think this is really important as I went around on this forum for over 3 years without even knowing we had an arcade. I think the only reason I found it was because I accidentally stumbled across it.


This.

[Inseriousity.]

Just because the high score was set in 2012 doesn't mean that is a justifiable reason to reset the scores. It just means no-one has come along to challenge them not that they're impossible to obtain (except for 2 Ball Pool, I still have no idea how to do well at that game. Mrs Pacman won't let me save my score and I have no idea how to even submit a score on Angry Birds). I've already established the logic for not resetting.

and polls are stupid.

[Empired]

Just because the high score was set in 2012 doesn't mean that is a justifiable reason to reset the scores. It just means no-one has come along to challenge them not that they're impossible to obtain (except for 2 Ball Pool, I still have no idea how to do well at that game. Mrs Pacman won't let me save my score and I have no idea how to even submit a score on Angry Birds). I've already established the logic for not resetting.

and polls are stupid.
"Let's ignore the opinion of the community and just listen to ME because POLLS ARE STUPID!!!11!" Ah yes, why didn't I think of that before.

The arcade isn't designed to cater specifically to you, Mike. HabboxForum is a community and we should go with what the majority of the people decide.

[DKJA]

what's the harm in a reset though if you say you'll just get your scores back and it'll remain the same.. if that's the case why be so against it?

[Inseriousity.]

Polls are stupid because general management should make a decision based on the arguments for/against rather than the quantity of people who support or disapprove of something. Only those who care will provide arguments for/against so they are the best people to actually listen to. Polls have been used in the past to avoid making decisions, to delay and use the poll as a 'get out of jail free card.' That's why polls are stupid. Nothing to do with listening to just me.

Getting my score back would take time and effort. time and effort I've already put into it. Why should I have to get my score back when I've already worked for it if there's no tangible benefit to resetting it in the first place?

[Empired]

I disagree. Just because some people don't want to vocalise their opinion doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion.

I'm sorry I can reply more later but I'm going out to have a +*+*+*+*+ social life +*+*+*+* now wahey

[FlyingJesus]

Having an opinion is not the same as being right. If lots of people are of the opinion that Mike is a hacker but he states with proof and reasoning that he isn't, the majority are not right just because there are more "opinions" involved. That's the flaw with all of the polling that we do here - we allow it to take over from actual sense

[Lewis]

Do not reset the scores please, I did not spend over a day in total of play time and over 5,000 tries to get 189 on ping pong! And that's not including the other two games, the golf and tennis one.

My blood, sweat and tears have all went into these fantastic games, do not take them away from me!

[The Don]

I'd be furious if the scores were reset. If you think that's suddenly going to get more people playing them (on a consistent basis and not just for the first couple of days) then you're completely wrong.

[Ms.Aquamarine]

I have no interest in playing the Arcade because the scores are stupidly high as you's have been spending years to achieve the scores that you now have. I understand you're obviously going to oppose the idea as you've spent months/years practising the same games to attempt to get a high score. I don't want to play something if it's going to take me a month of mastering, 1000+ plays to attempt to get anywhere near a high score.


You don't know unless you try! I remember Aaiden Skandair; beat one of my high scores (which did take me quite a while to get), but it didn't take him that long at all! It took effort to do so - winning any of those games take effort. :)

[Kyle]

Can we have a smaller selection of games


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[nvrspk4]

Ooh someone set a record today. Well done Lewis...though really how do you do well at 2 ball pool...

Anyway, two thoughts on the arcade:

1) I disagree with Kyle, I think that more games is better because there's going to be more games that individuals enjoy playing, and it's harder to reach the kind of inertia you're seeing now. Additionally, getting the number of high scores to show up on the leaderboard is fun, but only for a few people because only so many can be in competition. But the more games you have, the more likely that Member B has a game that he enjoys playing, where the high score is tough to beat but physically possible.

2) In the past (I guess the arcade with security issues) the "Arcade Leaderboard" wasn't solely decided by number of high scores - it was a weighted average of your placing - so 10 points for first, through 10th place for 1 point. This meant that there was much more room to challenge the leaderboard and those interested in the leaderboard could still play games with ridiculous high scores, and just go for a top 10 finish. If we could find a different arcade system with that feature I think it'd be cool.


On another note, much as I enjoy my high scores I won't be devastated if you reset my scores :P Then again I think adding new games to allow people to challenge leaderboards without taking away the previous scores on old games is the best of both worlds.

[Yupt]

I don't agree with resetting the scores either, just because they're reset are people honestly going to start playing them? Nope. Records are just that, no matter how long they've been there, it's an achievement.

The arcade is a really cute feature that i've only actually, since seeing this thread, used much. If we do anything it should be to create more competition in there even if it isn't for top spot. If people would actually like to use it but find trying to get the record too difficult, would anyone be interested in say a monthly arcade competition? I'm sure I could work something out but i'd only be interested in doing it if I can guarantee people will use it. (It's very annoying when people request or show a liking to our ideas to then never use them).

[scottish]

I don't agree with resetting the scores either, just because they're reset are people honestly going to start playing them? Nope. Records are just that, no matter how long they've been there, it's an achievement.

The arcade is a really cute feature that i've only actually, since seeing this thread, used much. If we do anything it should be to create more competition in there even if it isn't for top spot. If people would actually like to use it but find trying to get the record too difficult, would anyone be interested in say a monthly arcade competition? I'm sure I could work something out but i'd only be interested in doing it if I can guarantee people will use it. (It's very annoying when people request or show a liking to our ideas to then never use them).

Like i've said 18 times in the thread, the idea isn't 'reset score everyone play MAGIC'. It's more than just resetting the score the idea would be to have a complete overhaul of the arcade (scores, games, rewards, publicity etc).

[Lewis]

Ooh someone set a record today. Well done Lewis...though really how do you do well at 2 ball pool...

Anyway, two thoughts on the arcade:

1) I disagree with Kyle, I think that more games is better because there's going to be more games that individuals enjoy playing, and it's harder to reach the kind of inertia you're seeing now. Additionally, getting the number of high scores to show up on the leaderboard is fun, but only for a few people because only so many can be in competition. But the more games you have, the more likely that Member B has a game that he enjoys playing, where the high score is tough to beat but physically possible.

2) In the past (I guess the arcade with security issues) the "Arcade Leaderboard" wasn't solely decided by number of high scores - it was a weighted average of your placing - so 10 points for first, through 10th place for 1 point. This meant that there was much more room to challenge the leaderboard and those interested in the leaderboard could still play games with ridiculous high scores, and just go for a top 10 finish. If we could find a different arcade system with that feature I think it'd be cool.


On another note, much as I enjoy my high scores I won't be devastated if you reset my scores :P Then again I think adding new games to allow people to challenge leaderboards without taking away the previous scores on old games is the best of both worlds.

You need to constantly use the cigarette break thing at the bottom right to save time :P

[The Don]

Like i've said 18 times in the thread, the idea isn't 'reset score everyone play MAGIC'. It's more than just resetting the score the idea would be to have a complete overhaul of the arcade (scores, games, rewards, publicity etc).

Your idea is still to reset the score and there's not really any constructive argument in favour of it.

[Inseriousity.]

You need to constantly use the cigarette break thing at the bottom right to save time :P

OMG WHAT CIGARETTE BREAK THING. I'M COMING TO GET YOUR SCORE. lmaoooo

[scottish]

Your idea is still to reset the score and there's not really any constructive argument in favour of it.

My idea is a lot more than 'reset the score' for the 19th time (or is it the 20th).

I want a whole revamp and the arcade to be completely redone, and would feel like a wasted effort in my professional opinion if you say let's change everything about it but let's leave 3 year old scores there.

Leaving it as it is might get 3 additional people OH I'VE NOT PLAYED THAT IN AGES, let's play it then in 3 days it'll be dead again with 3 active players playing once or twice a day.

Poll it.

[The Don]

My idea is a lot more than 'reset the score' for the 19th time (or is it the 20th).

I want a whole revamp and the arcade to be completely redone, and would feel like a wasted effort in my professional opinion if you say let's change everything about it but let's leave 3 year old scores there.

Leaving it as it is might get 3 additional people OH I'VE NOT PLAYED THAT IN AGES, let's play it then in 3 days it'll be dead again with 3 active players playing once or twice a day.

Poll it.

Your idea still encompasses resetting the score, better?

They can add more games/revamp without removing the scores on the old ones. All that's gonna do is annoy the people that have spent a lot of time getting decent scores on there. Pointlessly alienating a lot of members just so it doesn't feel like a wasted effort (whatever that means) is not worth it.

Don't poll it, Habbox isn't a democracy and it's a stupid idea. They can add new games to the arcade without having to ask everyone what they think about it.

[Lewis]

All that needs to be done is that new games should be added. Nothing else.

Scores do not need to be reset.

[Inseriousity.]

Your argument about the reset has already been torn apart scott. I thought you were going to tell me how I was wrong but maybe you realised you couldn't so ignored it ;)

[FlyingJesus]

Damn I didn't think anyone would ever work out how to play 2 ball pool

[scottish]

Your argument about the reset has already been torn apart scott. I thought you were going to tell me how I was wrong but maybe you realised you couldn't so ignored it ;)

Not really, stating you disagree with it =/= torn apart.

Pro:
- Arcade has recent high scores, not 3 year old highscores
- Arcade has active high scorers, not people who haven't been here in 3 years
- Along with other changes, gives arcade new lease of life
- People feel as if they may be able to reach those, encourages playing ~ possibly
- We have more than 3-5 people playing the Arcade per month ~ possibly

Cons:
- People spent time to get high scores that will be removed
- Older players get all the high scores again due to experience, and it's the same as it currently is ~ possibly


Without trialling it, you can't conclude that resetting the scores won't encourage newer players to possibly play the arcade more, and I can't conclude that it will. This isn't an argument of fact vs fact, it's opinion/speculation vs opinion/speculation.

and like someone else in the thread said, feel free to poll it and see what the majority of the community wish to do. Ensure that there's an 'I don't care' option to prevent people randomly voting for or against.

[buttons]

no-one told me there was bejeweled? goodbye studying

[MKR&*42]

Lewis, FlyingJesus, Inseriousity goddamnit those freaking inactive high scorers who haven't been here for three years :rolleyes:!

[FlyingJesus]

- Arcade has recent high scores, not 3 year old highscores 3 new high scores in the last 2 weeks
- Arcade has active high scorers, not people who haven't been here in 3 years Most of the high scorers are currently active members
- Along with other changes, gives arcade new lease of life Conjecture
- People feel as if they may be able to reach those, encourages playing ~ possibly Not if we all straight away just go in and get the high scores again, obviously
- We have more than 3-5 people playing the Arcade per month ~ possibly Conjecture

[The Don]

Not really, stating you disagree with it =/= torn apart.

Pro:
- Arcade has recent high scores, not 3 year old highscores Not necessarily a bad thing and nothing prevents people from getting high scores today.
- Arcade has active high scorers, not people who haven't been here in 3 years Same as point above
- Along with other changes, gives arcade new lease of life
- People feel as if they may be able to reach those, encourages playing ~ possibly No proof behind this reasoning. People don't play due to lack of advertising and no new games, not because of scores. Even so why should people that have spent considerable time getting those scores be punished by having them removed?
- We have more than 3-5 people playing the Arcade per month ~ possibly This can be done by improving the arcade and adding new games, not by removing the scores.


Literally no evidence to suggest removing the high scores will increase usage. Adding new games and advertising the arcade more will increase usage, alienating users by removing their scores won't.

Edit: Damnit FlyingJesus; you beat me to it.

[buttons]

why doesnt it save my score

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and no really ive never played arcade before cause whats point if u cant even get into top 5

[The Don]

why doesnt it save my score

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and no really ive never played arcade before cause whats point if u cant even get into top 5

so we should delete someones score because it's too high for you to beat? what's even the point in having scores in that case...

[buttons]

did i say anything about deleting scores i just said ive never had interest in it for that reason, cause u said there's no evidence it'll make people play more

and again, y does it not save my scores

[The Don]

did i say anything about deleting scores i just said ive never had interest in it for that reason, cause u said there's no evidence it'll make people play more

and again, y does it not save my scores

No you didn't but Scott did which your post was supporting so its implied through context. My apologies if you don't think the scores should be reset though

[buttons]

no i don't care, i don't play the arcade. and not gonna continue as it aint saving my scores, only saved on bloody pingu cause it gave me option to save it

[MKR&*42]

Which game didn't it save on Jen. I played one game yday where it never gave me an option to save either but I can't recall which game..

[buttons]

the arcade must have been reset before? as ive played all games before and don't have any scores apparently and all the scores appear to be after 2012

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Which game didn't it save on Jen. I played one game yday where it never gave me an option to save either but I can't recall which game..
bejeweled and angry birds

[MKR&*42]

the arcade must have been reset before? as ive played all games before and don't have any scores apparently and all the scores appear to be after 2012

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bejeweled and angry birds

Oh I think bejeweled saved for me last night, Snake was the one that didn't.

[Inseriousity.]

Okay I'll explain another way:

Your argument: Resetting the arcade will encourage new members to play and older members to retain their score:

Option 1: Reset the arcade every 3 months.

The older members won't bother to retain their score if their effort is just going to be wasted in 3 months time.
The newer members will use the arcade then not bother (see above) once the 3 months is up.
And so on and so on until no-one's using it.

Option 2: Reset the arcade as a one off

The older members will still have the training from months/years "playing the game to master every technique" so will retain their high score in time, possibly even within the week and possibly with a higher score than before the reset because they won't have necessarily bothered trying to beat it again.
The newer members will play for a while until that process is complete.
The arcade is returned back to its original state.

I'm not saying you have to do nothing (my original post in this thread was a joke btw). I see no problem with adding new games, creating tournaments, having little competitions (although I would change them slightly from your original proposal). I am arguing with the options above that any sort of reset system within the arcade will not solve any issues.

If it is true as you say that the arcade is for "competitiveness and beating the high score", then me, rosy, Lewis being "upset that [our] progress has gone" is false because it's not "progress" being at the top. That's called winning and you're just a bad loser if you have to reset the score to zero to beat it.

I will quote my "tearing it apart". Fundamentally, a reset of the scoring will not solve the issue of activity. I think you can see from most of the games in the arcade that even those games where the high score was set in 2012, on the front page of the highscores, there are people within distance of reaching it who have played it in 2014. Therefore the high score itself does not necessarily suggest that people are put off from participating; it is instead other factors (mainly a lack of advertising and dust-settling). This is not conjecture, guesswork or opinion. This evidence can be found by simply looking at the games so it is fact used to justify a logical conclusion.

It is the 'other initiatives' that you suggest in conjunction with a reset that will help boost the arcade. This thread alone has advertised it and now has a few more people participating because they've remembered it actually exists. That is the main issue with the arcade and as demonstrated in the argument above, any reset will not work to achieve that aim.

[scottish]

- Arcade has recent high scores, not 3 year old highscores 3 new high scores in the last 2 weeks
- Arcade has active high scorers, not people who haven't been here in 3 years Most of the high scorers are currently active members
- Along with other changes, gives arcade new lease of life Conjecture
- People feel as if they may be able to reach those, encourages playing ~ possibly Not if we all straight away just go in and get the high scores again, obviously
- We have more than 3-5 people playing the Arcade per month ~ possibly Conjecture

- 2 from what I can see, Today 3PM, 25th Dec 1PM (lol Inseriousity.; playing arcade on xmas day), 11th Nov 1AM.
- A few are a few aren't, Johnathan has a few, not been on since 2013, ExtremeSlayer has a few not been on in months, Ed. has a few not been on in months, Alex has a few not been on in almost a year. and even then half the scores would have been a year before they were last online.
- Everything regarding this is opinion
- Hence possibly and the similar point listed in the cons
- See pt 3

[The Don]

the arcade must have been reset before? as ive played all games before and don't have any scores apparently and all the scores appear to be after 2012

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bejeweled and angry birds

It wasn't reset through choice IIRC. They had to swap Arcade Plugins because the old one had a security loophole.

[Inseriousity.]

Some games don't save Jen. I've never worked out how to submit a score on Angry Birds and Mrs Pacman, whenever I play that, the score doesn't seem to work (although this one has worked for other people so I've just left it). I've never played Bejeweled cos I can't stand it lol. This does also mean, however, that some of the high scores will be old because of a buggy arcade.

[MKR&*42]

Oh wait my score did save for snake and Bejeweled, just the box never popped up on snake.

bejeweled example

Bejeweled 2 Intersocial 160,700 Yesterday, 02:29 PM

[scottish]

It wasn't reset through choice IIRC. They had to swap Arcade Plugins because the old one had a security loophole.

from what I remember no-one even cared back then, let alone cries to import scores? correct me if i'm wrong.
Wispur; there's a security loophole in vBArcade, switch it to ibProArcade asap.

[The Don]

from what I remember no-one even cared back then, let alone cries to import scores? correct me if i'm wrong.
Wispur; there's a security loophole in vBArcade, switch it to ibProArcade asap.

clearly people care now so whats your point??

[scottish]

clearly people care now so whats your point??

the 'point' was to see if i was correct.

[The Don]

the 'point' was to see if i was correct.

Why does people caring about high scores being lost in 2012 have any relevance to 2015?

[FlyingJesus]

There was a high score gained last night by Lewis too but I beat it again today

And if your entire argument boils down to "we might as well try it because we'll never know otherwise" then cool let's make me admin and redirect all Habbox funds into my bank account because who knows it might boost activity

[scottish]

Why does people caring about high scores being lost in 2012 have any relevance to 2015?

who says it has to be relevant?

the fact it was reset in 2012 was brought up which lead my curiosity to wonder if anyone cried then.

*REMOVED*

Edited by Calum0812 (Forum Super Moderator): Please don't be rude to other members. Thanks!

[Inseriousity.]

If it was reset previously and the arcade is in the position it's in now then isn't that just further proof that a reset does not solve the issue of activity. It's the other factors involved, primarily advertising.

The only thing that's wrong is that it's not really the people against the scores reset saying to import them. Pretty sure that was management saying it. I am arguing on a point of principle that a score reset wouldn't work (I have always argued against ideas that are suggested to fix a problem that wouldn't actually fix a problem!). If forum/general management are convinced by your argument instead and choose to do a reset then that is up to them and I would at least applaud them for making a decision even if I did think it is the wrong one that wouldn't solve anything and effort would be better spent on advertising and the other initiatives you have suggested.

[The Don]

who says it has to be relevant?

the fact it was reset in 2012 was brought up which lead my curiosity to wonder if anyone cried then.


Didn't realise you were just voicing your thoughts mid-thread. I Wonder what i'm having for tea tonight

[scottish]

back to fj;

- So point 1 stands, 3 out of how many games are there like 30? high scores are recent.
- My point was seemingly ignored, pointing out like 4 or 5 people who are inactive

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Didn't realise you were just voicing your thoughts mid-thread. I Wonder what i'm having for tea tonight

The topic of the 2012 reset came up so I thought where best to discuss this, in the thread where it's currently on topic or start a new one I wonder

I'm having curry.

[The Don]

back to fj;

- So point 1 stands, 3 out of how many games are there like 30? high scores are recent.
- My point was seemingly ignored, pointing out like 4 or 5 people who are inactive

No your point doesn't stand because high scores being old doesn't lower arcade activity

[Inseriousity.]

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12-06-2014, 07:12 PM



I fail to see how these are not recent.

[scottish]

If it was reset previously and the arcade is in the position it's in now then isn't that just further proof that a reset does not solve the issue of activity. It's the other factors involved, primarily advertising.

The only thing that's wrong is that it's not really the people against the scores reset saying to import them. Pretty sure that was management saying it. I am arguing on a point of principle that a score reset wouldn't work (I have always argued against ideas that are suggested to fix a problem that wouldn't actually fix a problem!). If forum/general management are convinced by your argument instead and choose to do a reset then that is up to them and I would at least applaud them for making a decision even if I did think it is the wrong one that wouldn't solve anything and effort would be better spent on advertising and the other initiatives you have suggested.

Not really, it's nothing comparable as I've said (this is time 21 iirc) the idea isn't solely to reset the scores.

So comparing this to a situation where only scores were reset and saying OH IT DIDNT SOLVE ACTIVITY!1!!11!!1!1 is irrelevant.

Management said to import them? who?

Community poll it is.

[MKR&*42]

You can revamp it without resetting scores is the point EVERYONE is trying to make to you but clearly a revamp is impossible without removing scores :rolleyes:

[The Don]

Not really, it's nothing comparable as I've said (this is time 21 iirc) the idea isn't solely to reset the scores.

So comparing this to a situation where only scores were reset and saying OH IT DIDNT SOLVE ACTIVITY!1!!11!!1!1 is irrelevant.

Management said to import them? who?

Community poll it is.

You can add new games and fix dead links without resetting the scores though. Everyone agrees that the arcade needs new games and better advertisement, clearly resetting the scores is the unpopular and controversial suggestion which is why it's being argued. Don't be so naive and pretend that the other suggestions can't be done without resetting the scores.

[Inseriousity.]

So once again I have to respond to the idea that simply because it's not a score reset means that the score reset itself is a good idea if it's combined with other initiatives. Here we go:


I will quote my "tearing it apart". Fundamentally, a reset of the scoring will not solve the issue of activity. I think you can see from most of the games in the arcade that even those games where the high score was set in 2012, on the front page of the highscores, there are people within distance of reaching it who have played it in 2014. Therefore the high score itself does not necessarily suggest that people are put off from participating; it is instead other factors (mainly a lack of advertising and dust-settling). This is not conjecture, guesswork or opinion. This evidence can be found by simply looking at the games so it is fact used to justify a logical conclusion.

It is the 'other initiatives' that you suggest in conjunction with a reset that will help boost the arcade. This thread alone has advertised it and now has a few more people participating because they've remembered it actually exists. That is the main issue with the arcade and as demonstrated in the argument above, any reset will not work to achieve that aim.


Okay I'll explain another way:

Your argument: Resetting the arcade will encourage new members to play and older members to retain their score:

Option 1: Reset the arcade every 3 months.

The older members won't bother to retain their score if their effort is just going to be wasted in 3 months time.
The newer members will use the arcade then not bother (see above) once the 3 months is up.
And so on and so on until no-one's using it.

Option 2: Reset the arcade as a one off

The older members will still have the training from months/years "playing the game to master every technique" so will retain their high score in time, possibly even within the week and possibly with a higher score than before the reset because they won't have necessarily bothered trying to beat it again.
The newer members will play for a while until that process is complete.
The arcade is returned back to its original state.

I'm not saying you have to do nothing (my original post in this thread was a joke btw). I see no problem with adding new games, creating tournaments, having little competitions (although I would change them slightly from your original proposal). I am arguing with the options above that any sort of reset system within the arcade will not solve any issues.

If it is true as you say that the arcade is for "competitiveness and beating the high score", then me, rosy, Lewis being "upset that [our] progress has gone" is false because it's not "progress" being at the top. That's called winning and you're just a bad loser if you have to reset the score to zero to beat it.

[scottish]

Inseriousity. I like the cut off between 12/06/2014 and the massive gap to 15/12/2012 and the rest after that ;)

However, as I really cba arguing over this and seems every time I look out of the thread I have 3 new replies to have to disprove.

This is going in circles and as I already said it's opinion vs opinion.

So Shonly; Wispur; Phil; Nick; do a community vote, see what the community thinks on the idea and then follow from there.

If the majority don't want a score reset then don't, but actually work to advertise the arcade and work to revamp the arcade, through different games (removing any that don't work as some mentioned in this thread) and work some reward scheme into it.

If they do, then again reset then work on the revamp don't just leave it to die as it currently is.