Gun attack on Charlie Hebdo, 12 killed 7 injured

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Gunmen have attacked the Paris office of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, killing 12 people and injuring seven, French officials say.

At least two masked attackers opened fire with assault rifles in the office and exchanged shots with police in the street outside before escaping by car.

President Francois Hollande said there was no doubt it had been a terrorist attack "of exceptional barbarity".

A major police operation is under way in the Paris area to catch the killers.

The latest tweet on Charlie Hebdo's account was a cartoon of the Islamic State militant group leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

The satirical weekly has courted controversy in the past with its irreverent take on news and current affairs.

The magazine was fire-bombed in November 2011 a day after it carried a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad.

People had been "murdered in a cowardly manner", President Hollande told reporters at the scene. "We are threatened because we are a country of liberty," he added, appealing for national unity.

UK Prime Minister David Cameron said in a tweet: "The murders in Paris are sickening. We stand with the French people in the fight against terror and defending the freedom of the press."

'Black-hooded men'
Two of those killed are police officers, France's AFP news agency reports, and several of the wounded are in a critical condition.

An eyewitness, Benoit Bringer, told French TV channel Itele: "Two black-hooded men entered the building with Kalashnikovs.

"A few minutes later we heard lots of shots."

The men were then seen fleeing the building.

"It's carnage," French police official Luc Poignant told another French channel, BFMTV.

Police have warned French media to be on alert and pay attention to security following the attack.

The country was already on the alert for Islamist attacks after several incidents just before Christmas.

Cars were driven at shoppers in two cities, Dijon and Nantes, and police were attacked by a man wielding a knife in Tours.

While the French government denied the attacks were linked, it announced plans to further raise security in public spaces, including the deployment of around 300 soldiers.

Thoughts?

Live news coming in via; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-30710777

[Matt]

RIP to those who died :(

Terrorism is very much real and attacks like this only seem to be increasing. Only a few weeks ago we had the one in Sydney and now this one. I can't imagine what those who witnessed this could be going through. It's incredibly scary, especially when I have family heading to Paris on Sunday. It could really happen to anyone at any time and that's what makes it so scary.

[The Don]

Sickening. People that think it's acceptable to kill over drawings and/or people expressing their opinion have no place in our society.

[lemons]

biggest terrorist attack in europe since the london 7/7 bombings! r.i.p

scenes in paris

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6w73l5IcAER6Za.jpg

[-:Undertaker:-]

RIP to all those involved in the disasterous results of France's 'enrichment' with the RoP. This won't be the last either.

Marine Le Pen may aswell start measuring the curtains in the Elysee Palace at this rate.

[j0rd]

https://twitter.com/skynewsbreak/status/553529196216344576 o

Looks like there's been a new shooting in eastern Paris.
Reports saying the gunman is linked to the shooting that killed a police woman in Paris yesterday

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[Kyle]

Hostages are released and suspect is dead jeez I have been gettin notifications about this all day


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[scottish]

What was the death count at that attack? Still the 2 Sky Tweeted earlier?

[Kyle]

Suspects he both been killed, not sure on the death toll o hostages yet


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[lemons]

4 people have been killed in the supermarket

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[lemons]

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no confirmation but apparently a robbery gone wrong

[j0rd]

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no confirmation but apparently a robbery gone wrong

the person was linked to the gunmen from the Charlie habdo killings, doubt he was just trying to rob a store [emoji12]

[lemons]

the person was linked to the gunmen from the Charlie habdo killings, doubt he was just trying to rob a store [emoji12]

this isn't the supermarket hostage where 4 people were killed, it's seperate

and so far haven't read anything about it being linked to terrorism


PARIS (AP) — A police officer says two hostages are being held by a gunman in a jewelry store in the southern French city of Montpellier.
The officer, who could not be named speaking about an ongoing situation, said the attacker has locked himself inside the downtown shop, with police ready to intervene outside.
He said it is unclear whether the hostage-taking is related to the massacre Wednesday in Paris at the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo that left 12 people dead.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/09/montpelier-hostages_n_6444676.html

[j0rd]

this isn't the supermarket hostage where 4 people were killed, it's seperate

and so far haven't read anything about it being linked to terrorism


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/09/montpelier-hostages_n_6444676.html

Oh right, nothing was mentioned about that [emoji12]

[-:Undertaker:-]

RIP to those who died again, although why were they working in an area near the suspects(?) I thought it was on lock down.

The political side of this is looking promising, the tragic event aside. The fact she's been invited to the Elysee Palace is surprising in itself.

http://rt.com/news/221167-le-pen-france-attacks/

Marine Le Pen to President Hollande: Suspend visa-free zone, strip terror suspects of French citizenship


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France's Front National political party leader Marine Le Pen arrives to attend a meeting at the Elysee palace in Paris, January 9, 2015. (Reuters / Philippe Wojazer)


The leader of France’s rightwing Front National (FN), Marine Le Pen, has asked French President Francois Hollande to suspend the visa-free Schengen Area in Europe and strip dual nationals of their French citizenship if they carry out “barbaric crimes.”

“I expressed to the president the absolute necessity…to immediately suspend Schengen to be able to control our borders as an essential element in the fight against terrorism, and also the fight against arms trafficking,” Le Pen told reporters following a meeting with Hollande on Friday.

The Schengen Area consists of 26 European countries that have abolished passport and any other type of border controls. The agreement allows for both freedom of movement for both European citizens, Schengen visa holders and those who can travel in the area visa-free. Freedom of movement is considered “a fundamental right” guaranteed by the EU to its citizens.

Le Pen also turned her eye to the issue of dual-nationals who have been suspected of engaging in terror-related activities at home or abroad, saying such individuals should be stripped of their French citizenship.

“I also expressed the necessity – in another inevitable way – of measures for the removal or the forfeiture of citizenship for all of those who have dual citizenship who have left to train or fight in a foreign country, and then come back to our territory, to commit barbaric crimes, which seems to be the case with these two murderers who are currently in the process of being chased,” she said.

The measure would put France in line with the United Kingdom, where Home Secretary Theresa May currently has the power to strip foreign born terror suspects of their British citizenship if they possess another citizenship.

Hollande has yet to react to Le Pen’s proposals.

Le Pen made waves on Thursday by expressing her support for the death penalty, saying she would organize a referendum to reintroduce it if elected president in 2017.

Following Wednesday's deadly attack on the office of satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo in Paris, Le Pen made a passionate speech against Islamic fundamentalism, which she called an "odious ideology."

While Hollande has called for national unity following the tragedy, Le Pen has openly pinned the attack on “radical Islam.”

“Time is up for denial and hypocrisy,” she said. “The absolute rejection of Islamic fundamentalism must be proclaimed loudly and clearly.”

Douglas Murray was amazing on Sky News too. For all talk of the press and western media standing up to Islamism, the BBC and other mainstream broadcasters STILL refuse to show pictures of the Prophet in order not to 'offend' radical muslims. Enough is enough.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yRTdjMjsyU

[Describe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEvlKKm6og
i cast major doubt over the whole charlie hebdo incident due to the evidence shown in the above clip. the short but detailed analysis shows that the police officer who was apparently shot in the head actually wasn't and it also raises a few further questions. would the 'terrorists' really be so careless as to leave their id in the vehicle? give it a watch.

[buttons]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEvlKKm6og
i cast major doubt over the whole charlie hebdo incident due to the evidence shown in the above clip. the short but detailed analysis shows that the police officer who was apparently shot in the head actually wasn't and it also raises a few further questions. would the 'terrorists' really be so careless as to leave their id in the vehicle? give it a watch.
this makes no sense..... that officers face is all over the news and he's dead. if you said that to his family, what would they say?

[The Don]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEvlKKm6og
i cast major doubt over the whole charlie hebdo incident due to the evidence shown in the above clip. the short but detailed analysis shows that the police officer who was apparently shot in the head actually wasn't and it also raises a few further questions. would the 'terrorists' really be so careless as to leave their id in the vehicle? give it a watch.

He is clearly shot in the head? Just because his head doesn't explode doesn't mean he wasn't shot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNgR78jxoSg

Why did the terrorists leave their id in the vehicle? Human Error. It doesn't take great intelligence to shoot someone, not sure why you find a simple mistake so hard to believe.

[Describe]

this makes no sense..... that officers face is all over the news and he's dead. if you said that to his family, what would they say?
i haven't looked much into it other than this video jen. does he even have family? dno.

Why did the terrorists leave their id in the vehicle? Human Error. It doesn't take great intelligence to shoot someone, not sure why you find a simple mistake so hard to believe.
my point is quite clear, did you even watch the video? there is one shot fired in the clip and you don't see the head being rocked and you don't see blood/gore of any form because the one shot is clearly placed in front of the supposed victim. watch the video from 1:10 onward once more. every media outlet claims this particular victim to have been killed with a gunshot wound to the head. is it possible he was killed due to a circumstance not video taped? yeah. who knows.

[buttons]

his brother and family have spoken out about it, yeah. so if he wasn't killed by them, then how did he die? for what purpose? or if he is alive, then where is he..... that would mean his family are part of the plan unless he's hiding his death from them too lol

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-brother-of-killed-algerian-officer-says-do-not-mix-up-extremists-with-muslims-9970046.html- his brother, who also talks about the officer having a wife

[The Don]

i haven't looked much into it other than this video jen. does he even have family? dno.
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my point is quite clear, did you even watch the video? there is one shot fired in the clip and you don't see the head being rocked and you don't see blood/gore of any form because the one shot is clearly placed in front of the supposed victim. watch the video from 1:10 onward once more. every media outlet claims this particular victim to have been killed with a gunshot wound to the head. is it possible he was killed due to a circumstance not video taped? yeah. who knows.

Your 'point' is full of holes and doesn't make sense. Why would he have been killed after the video? Who by? What about the eleven other people that died in the shooting? Were they all cover ups to? A load of nonsense conspiracy rubbish. His head didn't explode, so what? You clearly see the gunman shoot and the cops body fall lifelessly straight after.

[Describe]

his brother and family have spoken out about it, yeah. so if he wasn't killed by them, then how did he die? for what purpose? or if he is alive, then where is he..... that would mean his family are part of the plan unless he's hiding his death from them too lol

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-brother-of-killed-algerian-officer-says-do-not-mix-up-extremists-with-muslims-9970046.html- his brother, who also talks about the officer having a wife
who knows jen, who knows

Your 'point' is full of holes and doesn't make sense. Why would he have been killed after the video? Who by? What about the eleven other people that died in the shooting? Were they all cover ups to? A load of nonsense conspiracy rubbish. His head didn't explode, so what? You clearly see the gunman shoot and the cops body fall lifelessly straight after.
was "..full of holes" an intentional pun? don't get so hung up the whole 'head exploding' point that was raised in the video. what i clearly see is the bullet hitting the pavement in front of the body. it all seems strange to me. i can appreciate that everyone has a different perspective, each to their own and all that.

:rolleyes:

[The Don]

was "..full of holes" an intentional pun? don't get so hung up the whole 'head exploding' point that was raised in the video. what i clearly see is the bullet hitting the pavement in front of the body. it all seems strange to me. i can appreciate that everyone has a different perspective, each to their own and all that.

:rolleyes:

All I see is smoke, I don't see a bullet hitting the pavement.

[xxMATTGxx]

Ah great, another person who probably thinks the whole event is some sort of hoax.

[Describe]

All I see is smoke, I don't see a bullet hitting the pavement.
i don't see a bullet hit him either tbh

Ah great, another person who probably thinks the whole event is some sort of hoax.
i believe the points raised in the video to be valid & of interest but i'm not big on conspiracies myself

[The Don]

Ah great, another person who probably thinks the whole event is some sort of hoax.

Wake up sheeple! In all seriousness it's ridiculous some of the crazy stuff people believe.

[GommeInc]

Wake up sheeple! In all seriousness it's ridiculous some of the crazy stuff people believe.
I'm still amazed that some people think they asked for it by portraying Muhammad and making a mockery of Islam. Since when is it every justifiable to kill over drawings which, if anything, only further prove a point that extremism is a very real issue? I think people were trying to justify it (albeit it, not fully but to a certain point) yesterday or a few days after. It's baffling :S

[-:Undertaker:-]

Wake up sheeple! In all seriousness it's ridiculous some of the crazy stuff people believe.

On another note, weren't you one of the geniuses on here - and forgive me if you were not - arguing that jihadists with British passports should be allowed back into the UK to be monitored and maybe even so-called 'rehabilitated' rather than refusing them entry again into Britain like Farage suggested (and I was arguing for)? Because I just came across this and was interested to see what the fools arguing such a thing now have to say in light of these attacks...


Tim Shipman ‏@ShippersUnbound 1m1 minute ago

Security chiefs tell Sunday Times they need to re-investigate 150 jihadis who have come home from Syria because they may do copycat attacks

I remember having that debate with people on here (whether it involved you or not). The stupidity and self deception of the bleeding heart left is breathtaking.

[The Don]

On another note, weren't you one of the geniuses on here - and forgive me if you were not - arguing that jihadists with British passports should be allowed back into the UK to be monitored and maybe even so-called 'rehabilitated' rather than refusing them entry again into Britain like Farage suggested (and I was arguing for)? Because I just came across this and was interested to see what the fools arguing such a thing now have to say in light of these attacks...



I remember having that debate with people on here (whether it involved you or not). The stupidity and self deception of bleeding heart liberals is breathtaking.

I assume you're on about in this thread here (only time I remember speaking about it)
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=813679

Where I said:

He definitely could have used a better word than reabsorbed, but generally speaking I have no qualms with most of what's been said. It's against International law (and for very good reasons) that we can't just strip people of their citizenship, which in turn means they will eventually be allowed back into our country anyway (preferably straight into a prison cell).

But I don't think we should 'monitor' them in society, we should arrest and imprison them, and if they have dual citizenship then their British Citizenship should be stripped!

[jake87385]

I'm sorry but this is no different to someone mocking your GF/BF and you punching them. The paper mocked their almighty leader and they decided to hit back.

Saying that I do think they are giving other non-extremist Muslims a bad image and causing unprovoked attacks

[The Don]

I'm sorry but this is no different to someone mocking your GF/BF and you punching them. The paper mocked their almighty leader and they decided to hit back.

Saying that I do think they are giving other non-extremist Muslims a bad image and causing unprovoked attacks

No, it's the equivalent of slitting someones throat because they said your girlfriends fat. Don't try and justify the MURDER of people for DRAWING A CARTOON. Great example of Victim blaming right here.

[jake87385]

No, it's the equivalent of slitting someones throat because they said your girlfriends fat. Don't try and justify the MURDER of people for DRAWING A CARTOON. Great example of Victim blaming right here.

I'm not trying to justify murder. I just think we allow the media to think for us at times instead of making our own decisions. I am only looking from another perspective and this is only my opinion.

The killers were brainwashed into believing some incredibly extreme things. Despite how vile their actions are, I think it is important to understand what made them pull the trigger regardless of how extreme this was. In all honesty I am not sure how a cartoon mocking a religion was allowed to be published.

My thoughts are with all the family, friends and co-workers affected by this cowardly attack.

[The Don]

I'm not trying to justify murder. I just think we allow the media to think for us at times instead of making our own decisions. I am only looking from another perspective and this is only my opinion.

The killers were brainwashed into believing some incredibly extreme things. Despite how vile their actions are, I think it is important to understand what made them pull the trigger regardless of how extreme this was. In all honesty I am not sure how a cartoon mocking a religion was allowed to be published.

My thoughts are with all the family, friends and co-workers affected by this cowardly attack.

You are trying to justify their murder by comparing shooting and killing 12 people to punching someone for offending your girlfriend. Love the revenge -Rep and yes you are quite entitled to share your opinion just as I am entitled to challenge it, especially when you're making ludicrous statements which undermine the deaths of multiple individuals.

[jake87385]

You are trying to justify their murder by comparing shooting and killing 12 people to punching someone for offending your girlfriend. Love the revenge -Rep and yes you are quite entitled to share your opinion just as I am entitled to challenge it, especially when you're making ludicrous statements which undermine the deaths of multiple individuals.

Giving somebody -Rep is not revenge, shooting somebody because you you disagree with them is. I was not justifying a murder, taking a life is never acceptable.

[The Don]

Giving somebody -Rep is not revenge, shooting somebody because you you disagree with them is. I was not justifying a murder, taking a life is never acceptable.

Giving someone -Rep just after they've given you -Rep is pretty much the definition of revenge rep.

The example you provided suggested that both the Drawings and the Shootings were on the same level. Don't attempt to backtrack and worm your way out. This is what you wrote:
"I'm sorry but this is no different to someone mocking your GF/BF and you punching them. The paper mocked their almighty leader and they decided to hit back."
This implies the murders were justified because pictures of muhammad were drawn. Killing people for drawing a picture of muhammad is entirely different to punching someone for insulting your girlfriend and the fact you think killing someone is comparable to punching someone is absolutely ridiculous.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I'm not trying to justify murder. I just think we allow the media to think for us at times instead of making our own decisions. I am only looking from another perspective and this is only my opinion.

The killers were brainwashed into believing some incredibly extreme things. Despite how vile their actions are, I think it is important to understand what made them pull the trigger regardless of how extreme this was. In all honesty I am not sure how a cartoon mocking a religion was allowed to be published.

My thoughts are with all the family, friends and co-workers affected by this cowardly attack.

Because we abolished or stopped enforcing blasphemy laws against our own state religion many years ago, let alone a foreign religion.

Or do you advocate a theocratic state? An Islamic state?

[jake87385]

Giving someone -Rep just after they've given you -Rep is pretty much the definition of revenge rep.

The example you provided suggested that both the Drawings and the Shootings were on the same level. Don't attempt to backtrack and worm your way out. This is what you wrote:
"I'm sorry but this is no different to someone mocking your GF/BF and you punching them. The paper mocked their almighty leader and they decided to hit back."
This implies the murders were justified because pictures of muhammad were drawn. Killing people for drawing a picture of muhammad is entirely different to punching someone for insulting your girlfriend and the fact you think killing someone is comparable to punching someone is absolutely ridiculous.

I think you are getting justification and comparisons confused.

Regardless of how the media has brainwashed you, the publication was intended to racially attack people. You might not like to admit it but they were the victims of racism. Admittedly they can't really play that card when they shot people. Who is to say that there are not more Muslims living in France who took offence but did not take extremist measures? And no, the murder was not justified, it was wrong on every level but it was provoked.

[The Don]

I think you are getting justification and comparisons confused.

Regardless of how the media has brainwashed you, the publication was intended to racially attack people. You might not like to admit it but they were the victims of racism. Admittedly they can't really play that card when they shot people. Who is to say that there are not more Muslims living in France who took offence but did not take extremist measures? And no, the murder was not justified, it was wrong on every level but it was provoked.

No, i'm pretty sure I know what you meant. You were justifying the murders with your silly comparison.

It was provoked? Again, how so? Drawing a cartoon should never provoke a shooting. People have been racist to me before in the past and I didn't retaliate by shooting up their family. You can admit you're wrong you know.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I think you are getting justification and comparisons confused.

Regardless of how the media has brainwashed you, the publication was intended to racially attack people. You might not like to admit it but they were the victims of racism. Admittedly they can't really play that card when they shot people. Who is to say that there are not more Muslims living in France who took offence but did not take extremist measures? And no, the murder was not justified, it was wrong on every level but it was provoked.

There's no such thing as a Islamic racial group, therefore how can one be racist to criticise Islam which is an ideology/moral code rather than a race?

[jake87385]

No, i'm pretty sure I know what you meant. You were justifying the murders with your silly comparison.

It was provoked? Again, how so? Drawing a cartoon should never provoke a shooting. People have been racist to me before in the past and I didn't retaliate by shooting up their family. You can admit you're wrong you know.

We are not talking about how a 'normal' person would react, we are talking about people who are extremists. Sure if someone made a cartoon attacking English/American/Australian/Canadian people we would probably just shrug our shoulders or laugh but when you are doing the same to people who have been taught to die for what they believe in the reaction will be of a higher magnitude.

[The Don]

We are not talking about how a 'normal' person would react, we are talking about people who are extremists. Sure if someone made a cartoon attacking English/American/Australian/Canadian people we would probably just shrug our shoulders or laugh but when you are doing the same to people who have been taught to die for what they believe in the reaction will be of a higher magnitude.

You're now changing your tune and thus the argument. The point still stands that killing someone is not fair retaliation for being disrespected which your previous posts imply and killing someone is not equal to punching somebody like your comparison suggested.

[jake87385]

You're now changing your tune and thus the argument. The point still stands that killing someone is not fair retaliation for being disrespected which your previous posts imply and killing someone is not equal to punching somebody like your comparison suggested.

I am not changing my tune, I am looking at facts.
The post you are referring to was a comparison and not a justification like you have previously stated.

I do not disagree with you when you say "Killing someone is not equal to punching" but similarly insulting a partner is not the same as insulting a religious figure.

[The Don]

I am not changing my tune, I am looking at facts.
The post you are referring to was a comparison and not a justification like you have previously stated.

I do not disagree with you when you say "Killing someone is not equal to punching" but similarly insulting a partner is not the same as insulting a religious figure.


I'm sorry but this is no different to someone mocking your GF/BF and you punching them. The paper mocked their almighty leader and they decided to hit back.

Saying that I do think they are giving other non-extremist Muslims a bad image and causing unprovoked attacks


I'm sorry but this is no different to someone mocking your GF/BF and you punching them.

Yes, because murdering someone is the same as punching someone. Your post attempts to justify the murders by insinuating the retaliation is fair through your comparison to somebody punching someone for insulting their girlfriend.

You can admit you're wrong mate, nobody will think any less of you.

[Kyle]

Who cares about punchin or insultin or whatever y'all are going on about, either way it's wrong and people have died so stop arguing about semantics and consider the lives lost and what should be done about religious extremism and very real terror threats that are engulfing the world!


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[The Don]

Who cares about punchin or insultin or whatever y'all are going on about, either way it's wrong and people have died so stop arguing about semantics and consider the lives lost and what should be done about religious extremism and very real terror threats that are engulfing the world!


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If someone makes a stupid post i'm going to call them out on it. I've already posted about the lives lost (was one of the first to). The fact that people think this is an acceptable retaliation is an issue relevant for further discussion.


Sickening. People that think it's acceptable to kill over drawings and/or people expressing their opinion have no place in our society.

[jake87385]

Yes, because murdering someone is the same as punching someone. Your post attempts to justify the murders by insinuating the retaliation is fair through your comparison to somebody punching someone for insulting their girlfriend.

You can admit you're wrong mate, nobody will think any less of you.

As a comparison it is no different, both the triggering action and response taken are of a proportionately lower severity when compared with what happened in France. But as previously stated that was not an attempt to justify what has happened.

If I thought what happened was acceptable or right or supported it I would not be sitting at home on Habbox I would be living in some third world terrorist training camp.

[The Don]

As a comparison it is no different, both the triggering action and response taken are of a proportionately lower severity when compared with what happened in France. But as previously stated that was not an attempt to justify what has happened.

If I thought what happened was acceptable or right or supported it I would not be sitting at home on Habbox I would be living in some third world terrorist training camp.

The comparison is completely different and stupid. How is the triggering action in France proportionately higher? Both the triggering actions in your example and in France are the same, an insult. The Responses taken differ significantly in level of severity therefore your comparison is wrong. Comparing the two is justifying it as hitting someone for insulting their partner is typically seen as an acceptable reaction (not saying it is, but I guarantee you a large majority think it's an acceptable reaction).

[jake87385]

The comparison is completely different and stupid. How is the triggering action in France proportionately higher? Both the triggering actions in your example and in France are the same, an insult. The Responses taken differ significantly in level of severity therefore your comparison is wrong. Comparing the two is justifying it as hitting someone for insulting their partner is typically seen as an acceptable reaction (not saying it is, but I guarantee you a large majority think it's an acceptable reaction).

I can't help but feel that you are trying to drag this out until I say something which you feel I will not be able to justify. I have tried to reason with you but you continue to challenge every word of every sentence because you disagree with someones initial point.

I made an initial point which some users may of disagreed with, however I have explained what was meant and I can assure you I am not justifying murder under any circumstances.

I am not willing to be part of such a futile debate.

[The Don]

I can't help but feel that you are trying to drag this out until I say something which you feel I will not be able to justify. I have tried to reason with you but you continue to challenge every word of every sentence because you disagree with someones initial point.

I made an initial point which some users may of disagreed with, however I have explained what was meant and I can assure you I am not justifying murder under any circumstances.

I am not willing to be part of such a futile debate.

Yeah because your later posts are you defending your initial one rather than just admitting you made a stupid comparison.