What do you think of the community?

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rules:
- no getting offended
- no naming anyone or eluding to past events
- i will close the thread if that does happen

ok, i want a constructive conversation on the habbox community.
what do you think of the community as a whole? do you think its a good environment for people to be in?

i ask this because i'm finding people on here to be intolerant of others opinions, and how people think its an attack to disagree or criticize them. everywhere i go, there's mindless arguments over the most pointless things and i can see how others would be intimidated by people on here. as said a million times, its a habbo forum and i feel like people take it way too seriously for what it is. people attacking the staff on personal levels or constantly making digs when it should not be of absolute importance to people of our age, that it just makes me kinda feel like there's no point me staying in a community with people who no longer know how to have fun.

i'm guilty of getting caught up in emotions and siding with people simply because they disagree with someone i disagree with and i am trying to stop myself cause i know this is not what i'm interested in in relationships irl so theres no point me staying in a community im becoming distanced from

its like anyone with a differing opinion from others, they will be attacked, often condescendingly and personally. one small piece of criticism somehow makes the person a bad person and they're attacked in other posts for things theyve done/said in the past, as though it invalidates their opinions (i see it done towards a few people, also guilty of this).

anyway im just talking from what i experience and see the forum.. i feel like the community is getting worse. i remember in 08 n 09 some of my friends left cause of bad experiences and bullying and as much as i disagree, argue and fall out with people, i'd hate to see most leave over petty arguments. so ya give me your views. do you think this is a good community to be around? why people not just more chill sometimes? learn when to shut up? not take this gay ass forum so seriously? i know we all love to have our opinion heard so tell me

[scottish]

It's 50/50, but more so worse later.

At times it can be an enjoyable environment and fun etc where as other times it can be completely toxic and just depressing to be a member of.

People seem to be very sensitive and if you suggest something or state an opinion they get very up tight about it and a 20 page argument ensues.

The community certainly has gotten worse lately and seems to be arguing every day.

But yeah definitely people need to take it less seriously, especially if it's a comment from me most of the time it's not serious or they're taking it the wrong way.

[dbgtz]

If anything, it's probably slightly better than a few years ago. Spam was a place you wouldn't post unless you were "in" a few years ago, now basically everyone posts in there. Yes, what you're saying does occur, but that doesn't mean everybody is like this. It's just the ones who think they're always right tend are louder because they either have a very populist or extremist view (in the eye of the majority). If you actually look around the forum bit more, it's probably not as bad as you what you're imagining.

I would, however, say there are a few members who constantly like to stir things up unnecessarily which pisses everyone off and leads to a bad "environment".

EDIT: I do agree some people take criticism way too personally, even when it's not personal and is completely valid under the circumstances (looking at you, anybody who posts in graphics forum and gets pissed off with me).

[Inseriousity.]

I don't think it's people taking things seriously. I just think that when you're on a forum then it's more of a formal environment than Habbo or Skype is where things are more relaxed because it's instantaneous so things come across more seriously on a forum because there isn't that. You have to construct a post and there's more time to think and edit what you say.

For instance, I had a whole paragraph with an example and then just removed it because I read the OP again and noticed the rules so I will respect that. Summing that paragraph up, I just think some people are disrespectful and seem to forget that the people on here are just that: people. On the other hand, I think if you're reading the feedback forums, spam, current affairs and debates then naturally, these forums are more likely to have passionate arguments and debates.

[MKR&*42]

I would, however, say there are a few members who constantly like to stir things up unnecessarily which pisses everyone off and leads to a bad "environment".

EDIT: I do agree some people take criticism way too personally, even when it's not personal and is completely valid under the circumstances (looking at you, anybody who posts in graphics forum and gets pissed off with me).

The bold is mainly how I feel^

I think the community is okay, but there are undeniably people who do try to cause drama for the sake of it and it ruins a lot :P

[Kyle]

I've stopped bothering to think through what I'm posting and tend to just post whatever's in my head in hope of some kind of discussion but there are a few people knocking about that will use anything they can to turn a discussion into an argument.

The spam crowd illusion is in full force it would appear. Users feel like they aren't excluded and it isn't toxic because they are now part of the crowd and disregard any suggestion that exclusion still happens. It's not a nice atmosphere these days either, the difference is that it is forum-wide rather than contained to one section and the old crowd of top posters has been all but replaced. Forum is largely negative, habbo sectio is dead and most posts are now in feedback or are debates of some kind.

If somebody posts something dumb or wrong people seem to prefer to be negwtive and not contribute any sort of discussion.


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[scottish]

I've stopped bothering to think through what I'm posting and tend to just post whatever's in my head in hope of some kind of discussion but there are a few people knocking about that will use anything they can to turn a discussion into an argument.

The spam crowd illusion is in full force it would appear. Users feel like they aren't excluded and it isn't toxic because they are now part of the crowd and disregard any suggestion that exclusion still happens. It's not a nice atmosphere these days either, the difference is that it is forum-wide rather than contained to one section and the old crowd of top posters has been all but replaced. Forum is largely negative, habbo sectio is dead and most posts are now in feedback or are debates of some kind.

If somebody posts something dumb or wrong people seem to prefer to be negwtive and not contribute any sort of discussion.


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Yeah I'm the same, if i'm thinking something I'll typically post it.

I don't think the spam forum has had the effect from like 2011 on? I remember rejoining 2011 and people posting habbo etc in spam.. so it couldn't of had much of a clique then.

[The Don]

I've stopped bothering to think through what I'm posting and tend to just post whatever's in my head in hope of some kind of discussion but there are a few people knocking about that will use anything they can to turn a discussion into an argument.

The spam crowd illusion is in full force it would appear. Users feel like they aren't excluded and it isn't toxic because they are now part of the crowd and disregard any suggestion that exclusion still happens. It's not a nice atmosphere these days either, the difference is that it is forum-wide rather than contained to one section and the old crowd of top posters has been all but replaced. Forum is largely negative, habbo sectio is dead and most posts are now in feedback or are debates of some kind.

If somebody posts something dumb or wrong people seem to prefer to be negwtive and not contribute any sort of discussion.


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There are loads of toxic users which fall into that. I've noticed a trend where people call name redacted rude and horrible then full on insult him in other threads, often receiving 5-8 reps for a comment that should have been removed by moderation.

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i specifically said no names or events

[The Don]

i specifically said no names or events

oops, didn't read the rules... i'll edit it out

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soz just want this to be about community without targeting/making reference to specific people :P

[Absently]

i do think a lot of the community are very lovely people, but definitely a lot seem to get so angry and defensive when somebody has a different opinion to them, resulting in a massive ruckus. i've spoken to quite a lot of people who use habbox, but won't tend to post as the people scare them on the forum :P definitely with text though it might just be misconstrued and really someone is just casually post something, but because it's text its taken in the wrong way or they were just joking or just casually stating something, if that makes sense. not so long ago i felt myself stopping posting because of some users who specifically seemed to be out there just to hurt other people and make fun of everything users posted about, not for any reason but just to do it, i guess? it doesn't seem to be done as much now, but maybe it's just moreso in secret :P

in reference to how the community used to be, i'd think it's on the same level really. you were either in or out, if you were in you seemed to be 'protected' (dunno if that's the right word) but if you were out you were subject to anything really. seems about the same nowadays.

[Brad]

I actually enjoy the community. I've been with the habbox community coming up to a year and I have met many friends through this forum. I generally do not talk to a lot of people because I personally don't feel the need to do so.
I enjoy the feedback of those who have it, and I think it benefits the community as a whole when we are creating feedback because as a generation that loves change, we should be striving to make change happen all the time.

I agree with what everyone else has said, so I'm not going to go on about it anymore. People's just gotta chill a little. :P

[Kyle]

Lmao habbox seems like the bloody mafia with all this in group out group protection malarkey

I have found over the years that in order to get the most from a discussion the easiest way to go is to assume that no emotion is attached and base a response purely on facts presented. That means ignoring passive aggression, attempts to belittle or berate, and taking a post for what it is rather than any underlying messages within the text. Debates for example often boil down to nitpicking at individual sentences or aspects of an argument rather than the argument as a whole. It's boring and leads nowhere and I hate it. But equally I feel that if you're willing to go against an idea you should be willing to provide some reasoning... Which hasn't happene in regards to te rep reform fiasco!


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yeah people need to realize spam 'members' aren't a group of friends who agree with each other... it's individuals with individual views and different friends imo

[Jurv]

it's not even the same people posting in spam anymore is it? pretty much everyone posts in there

and tbf i think the community is nothing on what it used to be, people take it way too seriously so it's pretty boring

[dbgtz]

Spam has changed completely to what it used to be

[Red]

My feelings for ages has been what community. You go on habbo and it's shockwave sitting in the corner and that's about the height of it these days. Habbox with regards to the habbo side is dead and boring. Even the big events this year had no one even taking part. The forum has lost that spam clique it had years ago when I first joined, now everyone just posts whatever and its fine.

[Shar]

I'm not really that observant anymore regarding habbox matters and just come and go when I please. I think more people are less scared to post in spam as opposed to when I first signed up 5 years ago.

[FlyingJesus]

For the first time in the history of Habbox it's actually mainly staff members on the client who are the more friendly and involved people. Forum is full of people who think defending yourself is an imprisonable offence and correcting anyone about anything is a vicious personal attack, and those who will silently support such behaviour and make it seem worthy of reward. It's turned from being overly aggressive towards new people like it was in 07/08 to being overly aggressive to anyone and everyone, with anything even vaguely resembling a close community thread being just 2 or 3 members having what's pretty much a slower version of a skype chat

[Inseriousity.]

Lmao habbox seems like the bloody mafia with all this in group out group protection malarkey

I agree with her. I don't think it's as simple as the 'spam crowd' acting like a mafia. I think more generally there's this idea that if you're active and involved then you're protected by that status within the community whereas if you don't have that, you're on your own until you've made friends. It's natural in a way but it does mean that people can be put off if they try to get involved and are spurned because they haven't yet gained that status and the community can be quite brutal to newcomers - there seems to be this line of maturity you have to be to fit in and if you don't fit that you're derided for being annoying, childish etc. Not in words necessarily (although now and again you can see these posts) but more by exclusion.

I have seen it happen somewhere else I used to frequent. Older members thinking the newer, younger members are beneath them. It is the attitude that killed it (didn't have the people to replace the ones that left cos they were too old) and it's why I keep going on about Habbo because that's the best place to fix it.

[Kyle]

I agree with her. I don't think it's as simple as the 'spam crowd' acting like a mafia. I think more generally there's this idea that if you're active and involved then you're protected by that status within the community whereas if you don't have that, you're on your own until you've made friends. It's natural in a way but it does mean that people can be put off if they try to get involved and are spurned because they haven't yet gained that status and the community can be quite brutal to newcomers - there seems to be this line of maturity you have to be to fit in and if you don't fit that you're derided for being annoying, childish etc. Not in words necessarily (although now and again you can see these posts) but more by exclusion.

I have seen it happen somewhere else I used to frequent. Older members thinking the newer, younger members are beneath them. It is the attitude that killed it (didn't have the people to replace the ones that left cos they were too old) and it's why I keep going on about Habbo because that's the best place to fix it.
Lol I know it's the case I was just laughing at the phrases people are coming out with. Spam were almost exclusively people who didn't use habbo if we look back 4 or 5 years and that really is indicative of the problems with the current situation too. People don't use habbo so have nowhere to bond with other members in a less rigid environment than forum discussion so community becomes disjointed and hard to become and remain part of.


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[Jssy]

I like it. I first joined in 2009 and posted around a little bit but I felt really intimidated by people, I wouldn't dare post in spam because I felt I'd be ridiculed. Even when I DJed here in 2011ish I felt really intimidated by certain people like Matt but now we're friends haha. I like the community but the community is definitely a lot smaller and we have a wide mix of people really don't we. There are people that cause drama intentionally but you get that everywhere really.

[Absently]

Don't worry lads if you feel intimidated on the forum and want to find a place to meet a lot of us habbox users, pop on down to the help desk ;) *morphs into Yupt; from advertising ;)*

I think a few of people just jump on the bandwagon with the hatred towards other users and like was said before some people don't seem to get warned when it's deserved because it's acceptable enough to dislike said people. I've noticed a lot of threads i wouldn't touch with a barge pole because of the arguments or typical debates that have happened and making a comment on what the thread was originally about would just look out of place.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I don't think it is bad at all generally as a community, indeed with Spam being more open nowadays I find that the whole forum gets along much better - perhaps because there's less of us - than back in the older days when if you posted in Spam it appeared as though you were entering the private property of a small group. I remember not posting in Spam purely because I couldn't be arsed with the snide remarks posted back constantly, especially to newer members. It was pretty awful.

In terms of General Management this is probably the best General Management set we've had, and i've experienced GM from 2006-2007 and 2009-2010 and now 2014-2015 directly as a Manager. A lot of criticism is always levelled that there's not enough activity, yet we've never had a more active General Management in my view. The problem is of course that nowadays Habbox has less of a pull on the hotel and there's less of us/we're all older, so it's much harder to run as a site today (with events, presence on the hotel etc) in 2014 than it was back in 2008 when Habbox had a lot of weight and influence on the hotel: partly due to the decline in rare values but also the general decline of fansites as a whole that has been ongoing for a number of years. Not to mention the fact that numbers using Habbo Hotel have also declined over recent years. That's not the fault of Habbox, and indeed it's encouraging we've survived whilst many others went to the wall.

In terms of staff, a lot of staff stuff now seems to be done off the forum and off Habbo which I personally have found hard to grasp as I am used to the staff community being located on the forum: and there's much less of a staff feel/community on the forum nowadays which is pretty disappointing but again not something you can really do when people naturally now gravitate toward Twitter, Skype and other forms of media. That said, and linking in with above, staff communication among lower members of staff is now much better with other departments/General Management itself and it has broken down a lot of barriers in a way.

The facts are that things have changed, and Habbox has adapted pretty well to them. It's downfall has been predicted for years yet it's still here.

[e5]

I think our community, overall is great. Everyone has their moments on here and gets caught up in things but they are capabale of actually being nice and having a conversation. People jump on bandwagons and hate because someone they see is saying it and they wanna be 'involved', which is silly because everyone should have their own mind.

i don't think there's anyone I dislike here. Some people I disagree with but tbh by lunch or whatever I've forgotten about it and move on, I don't like holding grudges!

[Empired]

I'm actually really pleased at how the community has grown over the last few years. When I first signed up in March 2011 I looked around for a little bit but was so intimidated I didn't have the courage to post properly until October, and even then I would never dare post in spam. Once I started posting I was met with a lot of negativity. I still cringe looking back on the first few pages of rep I got because they're mostly -reps from the same individuals over and over again because I was young and didn't hold the same status as them. The idea of -repping has never bothered me but one or two of the comments I've received over the years have really hit home.

I only started to feel comfortable posting in spam about six months ago and I really think the community has changed in that area. Those who were already 'in' probably won't notice much of a change but for those who were outsiders like me, the difference has been enormous.

However I think Habbox's main problem at the moment is getting new, younger users to sign up and actually stay. Most of us (me included) are guilty of acting harshly to young users because they've said something silly or behaved childishly but if we continue like this Habbox will end up dying. There are very few young members I can remember over the last five years who have properly joined the community. I can only think of me, Sharon, Gina, Alex (CrazyLemurs), and a handful of others who managed to get through the awkward stage of being young and annoying at Habbox.

I still think there has been a difference in attitude for the whole community over the past few years. We're far from perfect but at least these days I feel like I can completely disagree with someone about something (e.g disagreeing with people in the argument about the arcade) and still respect their opinions in general and enjoy reading their other posts without a problem.

[Describe]

haven't logged in or posted for an age but it's good to see so many people still here.

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v. nostalgic.

[Absently]

It's hilarious looking back at how many -reps I got in 05, because I was so little and so stupid haha. Do people still constantly -rep the poor little people? :(

[Kyle]

I think te only people that issued constant -reps were Ross and Scott lol


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[mrwoooooooo]

self obsessed

[Richie]

everyones far more civilized

I wouldn't say everyone has grown up, cos i know i haven't but i can still laugh at complete bollocks and not be in a stupid argument with someone