10-year-old Suicide Bomber

[AgnesIO]

Nigeria: 'Girl bomber' kills 19 people in Maiduguri market

At least 19 people have been killed and several injured by a bomb strapped to a girl reported to be aged about 10 in north-eastern Nigeria, police say.The bomb exploded in a market in the city of Maiduguri, in Borno state.
"The explosive devices were wrapped around her body," a police source told Reuters.
No group has said it carried out the attack. The market is reported to have been targeted twice in a week by female bombers late last year.
Correspondents say that all the signs point to the militant Islamist Boko Haram group.

Whilst everyone is - correctly - outraged by the attacks in Paris, isn't it odd how this barely stays on the front page of BBC News?

Attacks like this are, admittedly, far more regular in this part of the world - BUT, this was a 10-year-old girl.

The West needs to stop ignoring this. It will come back to haunt us.

[dbgtz]

Quite simply, one is basically on our doorstep and has a reason attached to it. This is just a seemingly random attack in a country far away that poses no threat to us. From a more cynical point of view, the French attacks can be used for various governments own agenda i.e. state surveillance (which a few people believe will happen).

[AgnesIO]

Quite simply, one is basically on our doorstep and has a reason attached to it. This is just a seemingly random attack in a country far away that poses no threat to us. From a more cynical point of view, the French attacks can be used for various governments own agenda i.e. state surveillance (which a few people believe will happen).

"Seemingly random". Very few - if any - attacks have no meaning.

The issue is if you let these attacks happen and completely ignore them, organisations behind them have time to grow and eventually this will hurt the 'West', oh wait - like what has happened in Paris.

Additionally, 'on our doorstep'. Like Australia?

[benzoberzerk]

Quite simply, one is basically on our doorstep and has a reason attached to it. This is just a seemingly random attack in a country far away that poses no threat to us. From a more cynical point of view, the French attacks can be used for various governments own agenda i.e. state surveillance (which a few people believe will happen).

No reason? You think they just do this to pass the time?

The reason we don't care is simply because it doesn't effect us. We're fully aware of all the horrible **** that goes on in the world but as long as we don't have to see it we don't give a ****.

[dbgtz]

"Seemingly random". Very few - if any - attacks have no meaning.

The issue is if you let these attacks happen and completely ignore them, organisations behind them have time to grow and eventually this will hurt the 'West', oh wait - like what has happened in Paris.

Additionally, 'on our doorstep'. Like Australia?

I assume you're referring to the siege a while back? The difference is we share a common culture with them too :P Though I think what you've done is taken what I said as if I'm defending the lack of awareness of things like this, just people don't seem to care unless it's fairly relatable which is why we get so much news from the USA presented as "breaking news" as if it affects us.

Btw if you read the article, it says "No group has said it carried out the attack" which basically nullifies a chunk of what you said for the time being. I also say seemingly random because the article did not state a reason, not trying to imply they blew themselves up for ***** and giggles.


No reason? You think they just do this to pass the time?

The reason we don't care is simply because it doesn't effect us. We're fully aware of all the horrible **** that goes on in the world but as long as we don't have to see it we don't give a ****.

The article says no group has taken responsibility, so I don't know who "they" is. If you feel that strongly about issues like this, maybe you shouldn't be on your computer and other luxury goods made by sweatshop workers in primarily Asian countries. Unfortunately, the only reason people in developed countries have as nice of a life as they do (for the most part) is because of ignoring the vast majority of issues in other countries.

[AgnesIO]

I assume you're referring to the siege a while back? The difference is we share a common culture with them too :P Though I think what you've done is taken what I said as if I'm defending the lack of awareness of things like this, just people don't seem to care unless it's fairly relatable which is why we get so much news from the USA presented as "breaking news" as if it affects us.

Btw if you read the article, it says "No group has said it carried out the attack" which basically nullifies a chunk of what you said for the time being. I also say seemingly random because the article did not state a reason, not trying to imply they blew themselves up for ***** and giggles.



The article says no group has taken responsibility, so I don't know who "they" is. If you feel that strongly about issues like this, maybe you shouldn't be on your computer and other luxury goods made by sweatshop workers in primarily Asian countries. Unfortunately, the only reason people in developed countries have as nice of a life as they do (for the most part) is because of ignoring the vast majority of issues in other countries.

If you went and murdered 15 people tomorrow, because you are not a group would that mean there was no meaning? :P An individual, or a group, has carried out this attack for a reason. Whether that is merely to terrify people, or to storm towards an agenda (normally these attacks relate to separation from Nigeria as part of an 'Islamic State').

As I say, my biggest concern is the potential for attacks like this to allow growth, which eventually (or quite quickly, as we have seen) leads to organisations to Islamic State, who the recent terrorists in Paris have pledged allegiance to.

Also, whilst you were replying to benzoberserk, I feel there are some points to respond to. A terrorist attack in Africa (or the Gulf) is not exactly on the same level of sweatshops.. in Asia :L Having said that, the slavery issues in mining for the copper in Africa WOULD be a valid argument. Nobody has to be blown up, or sold off as a wife to a militant, to create an iPhone. They just don't.

[benzoberzerk]

I assume you're referring to the siege a while back? The difference is we share a common culture with them too :P Though I think what you've done is taken what I said as if I'm defending the lack of awareness of things like this, just people don't seem to care unless it's fairly relatable which is why we get so much news from the USA presented as "breaking news" as if it affects us.

Btw if you read the article, it says "No group has said it carried out the attack" which basically nullifies a chunk of what you said for the time being. I also say seemingly random because the article did not state a reason, not trying to imply they blew themselves up for ***** and giggles.



The article says no group has taken responsibility, so I don't know who "they" is. If you feel that strongly about issues like this, maybe you shouldn't be on your computer and other luxury goods made by sweatshop workers in primarily Asian countries. Unfortunately, the only reason people in developed countries have as nice of a life as they do (for the most part) is because of ignoring the vast majority of issues in other countries.

That's funny. How do you define a "nice" life? Most people i know have terrible lives, yet they live in developed countries :) If people cared about each other more i'm certain a lot of lives both from developing and developed countries would be better.

[dbgtz]

If you went and murdered 15 people tomorrow, because you are not a group would that mean there was no meaning? :P An individual, or a group, has carried out this attack for a reason. Whether that is merely to terrify people, or to storm towards an agenda (normally these attacks relate to separation from Nigeria as part of an 'Islamic State').

As I say, my biggest concern is the potential for attacks like this to allow growth, which eventually (or quite quickly, as we have seen) leads to organisations to Islamic State, who the recent terrorists in Paris have pledged allegiance to.

Also, whilst you were replying to benzoberserk, I feel there are some points to respond to. A terrorist attack in Africa (or the Gulf) is not exactly on the same level of sweatshops.. in Asia :L Having said that, the slavery issues in mining for the copper in Africa WOULD be a valid argument. Nobody has to be blown up, or sold off as a wife to a militant, to create an iPhone. They just don't.

OK maybe seemingly random wasn't quite what, but it's doesn't seem to be by a multinational terrorist organisation and the motives of individuals aren't a threat to us in the slightest, whereas the French ones have potential.
Also people are just generally more interested in what happens in France than Nigeria, can't really say much more on that.

My response to benzoberserk was more him talking about the west being selfish etc. Maybe they don't have to be "sold off", but they do live and work in poor conditions, get crap pay and many end up killing themselves.


That's funny. How do you define a "nice" life? Most people i know have terrible lives, yet they live in developed countries :) If people cared about each other more i'm certain a lot of lives both from developing and developed countries would be better.

Nice as in not living in fear, having decent infrastructure, living well until an old age, being able to get food on a regular basis, healthcare on demand etc. People in developed countries have it far better than those in countries which lack infrastructure or is riddled with corruption and instability.

[AgnesIO]

OK maybe seemingly random wasn't quite what, but it's doesn't seem to be by a multinational terrorist organisation and the motives of individuals aren't a threat to us in the slightest, whereas the French ones have potential.
Also people are just generally more interested in what happens in France than Nigeria, can't really say much more on that.

My response to benzoberserk was more him talking about the west being selfish etc. Maybe they don't have to be "sold off", but they do live and work in poor conditions, get crap pay and many end up killing themselves.

Tell that to this guy;

http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/uploaded/pic_giant_071414_SM_Abu-Bakr-al-Baghdadi.jpg

or (Godwin's Law INCOMINGGGG)

http://media-1.web.britannica.com/eb-media/58/129958-004-C9B8B89D.jpg

Extreme examples, I know, but you get the point :L I think it is fair to say if I stood up to a crowd and read a list of terrorist attacks across the world, the majority of people would be shocked at just how regular they are. As I say, my main point is if you let things grows, things do not go well. Nazi Germany and Islamic State being two of the biggest examples.

[benzoberzerk]

Nice as in not living in fear, having decent infrastructure, living well until an old age, being able to get food on a regular basis, healthcare on demand etc. People in developed countries have it far better than those in countries which lack infrastructure or is riddled with corruption and instability.

And this inequity is something we shouldn't feel strongly about because..?

[dbgtz]

Tell that to this guy;

http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/uploaded/pic_giant_071414_SM_Abu-Bakr-al-Baghdadi.jpg

or (Godwin's Law INCOMINGGGG)

http://media-1.web.britannica.com/eb-media/58/129958-004-C9B8B89D.jpg

Extreme examples, I know, but you get the point :L I think it is fair to say if I stood up to a crowd and read a list of terrorist attacks across the world, the majority of people would be shocked at just how regular they are. As I say, my main point is if you let things grows, things do not go well. Nazi Germany and Islamic State being two of the biggest examples.

To compare Nazi Germany, a country with vast industrial capabilities with technology superior to most, to a relatively small group of extremists who has no major industrial capability and has to steal oil to make money, is ludicrous. As far as I'm aware, they weren't even ignored but it was believed to be a bad decision to declare war any sooner as we didn't have the resources to fight.


And this inequity is something we shouldn't feel strongly about because..?

Because nobody is obliged to feel as strongly about something as you do.

[AgnesIO]

To compare Nazi Germany, a country with vast industrial capabilities with technology superior to most, to a relatively small group of extremists who has no major industrial capability and has to steal oil to make money, is ludicrous. As far as I'm aware, they weren't even ignored but it was believed to be a bad decision to declare war any sooner as we didn't have the resources to fight.

I am not directly comparing the two in the sense you have just described; I am merely pointing out that you shouldn't ignore things just because it isn't affecting you at the time.

Interestingly, millions of people in this country agree - on the basis they give to charity.

[benzoberzerk]

Because nobody is obliged to feel as strongly about something as you do.

You're not obliged to care about your family and friends either, or to have any morals whatsoever. But to say that it's not selfish is quite delusional.

[dbgtz]

I am not directly comparing the two in the sense you have just described; I am merely pointing out that you shouldn't ignore things just because it isn't affecting you at the time.

Interestingly, millions of people in this country agree - on the basis they give to charity.

But to a certain extent, Nazi Germany wasn't ignored when it wasn't affecting us. The UK and France declared war on Germany after they invaded Poland, which didn't directly affect us at the time.

A charity to fight religious extremism? Lmao


You're not obliged to care about your family and friends either, or to have any morals whatsoever. But to say that it's not selfish is quite delusional.

I never said it wasn't selfish. However, there is a big difference with friends/family and randomers in another country.

[AgnesIO]

But to a certain extent, Nazi Germany wasn't ignored when it wasn't affecting us. The UK and France declared war on Germany after they invaded Poland, which didn't directly affect us at the time.

A charity to fight religious extremism? Lmao



I never said it wasn't selfish. However, there is a big difference with friends/family and randomers in another country.

I'm not suggesting a charity for religious extremism. I'm merely pointing out to say people aren't noticing because they it isn't close to home may not actually be true - maybe the media representation of issues is to blame.

[benzoberzerk]

But to a certain extent, Nazi Germany wasn't ignored when it wasn't affecting us. The UK and France declared war on Germany after they invaded Poland, which didn't directly affect us at the time.

A charity to fight religious extremism? Lmao



I never said it wasn't selfish. However, there is a big difference with friends/family and randomers in another country.

I figured it was implied in your posts, as you felt the need to attack me when i mentioned it. Apologies if i was wrong :)

[dbgtz]

I'm not suggesting a charity for religious extremism. I'm merely pointing out to say people aren't noticing because they it isn't close to home may not actually be true - maybe the media representation of issues is to blame.

Sorry I thought you were referring to a specific charity, I misread. Most charities donated to are for this country though.


I figured it was implied in your posts, as you felt the need to attack me when i mentioned it. Apologies if i was wrong :)

No, I was just trying to highlight actions speak louder than words :P Most people are all for economic (and perhaps even social) equality until they realise it would mean a loss in quality of life for them.

[benzoberzerk]

Sorry I thought you were referring to a specific charity, I misread. Most charities donated to are for this country though.



No, I was just trying to highlight actions speak louder than words :P Most people are all for economic (and perhaps even social) equality until they realise it would mean a loss in quality of life for them.

Very true. I'd argue that this "quality of life" you speak of is an illusion but we're getting off topic :)

[dbgtz]

Very true. I'd argue that this "quality of life" you speak of is an illusion but we're getting off topic :)

I won't continue this here, but feel free to VM me if you wish to discuss this further. I'm interested in what you mean :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

As awful and as tragic as this is, I never understand the false compassion that come with issues like this that we should care or act more because something if overseas rather than in our own country or a neighbouring country. The fact is that it is a silly view to take, unless you are an academic or politician who doesn't believe in borders and is a naive internationalist. The sad fact is that it doesn't surprise us because it is in Africa, and it is the way things are done in Africa.

I do wish stupid multicultural non-nations like Nigeria were finally broken up though, it might bring some peace to some areas of that dark continent.

[AgnesIO]

As awful and as tragic as this is, I never understand the false compassion that come with issues like this that we should care or act more because something if overseas rather than in our own country or a neighbouring country. The fact is that it is a silly view to take, unless you are an academic or politician who doesn't believe in borders and is a naive internationalist. The sad fact is that it doesn't surprise us because it is in Africa, and it is the way things are done in Africa.

I do wish stupid multicultural non-nations like Nigeria were finally broken up though, it might bring some peace to some areas of that dark continent.

I feel just as bad, actually worse, about events like this than I do about those in Paris. That isn't false compassion; I just do (and I don't know why).

Nigeria would arguably be better broken up, given the army's obvious inability to actually deal with the situation in northern states.

[October]

Haven't read through this whole thread, but AFAIK, the girl was an unwilling or unknowing participant. The bomb was strapped to her by someone else, and it wasn't taken off in time.

[AgnesIO]

Haven't read through this whole thread, but AFAIK, the girl was an unwilling or unknowing participant. The bomb was strapped to her by someone else, and it wasn't taken off in time.

Sorry for sarcasm, but it kind of has to be put in; you mean a ten-year-old girl didn't build a bomb and decide to blow herself up in a marketplace? Scandalous!