Reputation vs Like/Thanks system?

[scottish]

This has been brought up a few times for example (* (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=789315&highlight=like+system)) there was a poll 2 years ago where the favourable outcome was the rep system as it is, however I think quite a few people have changed opinions since then, so why not give it another go?

Last year a poll was done regarding if reputation has value to you (* (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=799823&highlight=like+system)) and the result was 45.83% No and 54.17% Yes (11-13), so it seems more and more than reputation is having less meaning to people.

The last poll on this done in 2013 has 56.25% of members voting to keep the rep system, 39.07% of members voting for a like system, 3.13% of members voting to get rid of both and 1.56% voting other.

Judging by the last thread I'll sum up the valid points in pros and cons

Pro:
- Reputation is an out dated system
- Reputation is heavily seen as a negative system
- Reputation adds more work for forum staff due to reports
- Reputation is abused (friends repping each other, pointless reps, rude reps, revenge reps, etc)
- Like system publicly shows who agrees/liked your posts
- Like system shows a 'total' (rather than power)
- Like system has a flat out power (1) making it equal for all (i.e. someone joining tomorrow can like a post, as well as someone from 10 years ago, and there isn't 80 points different within their 'like')
- Like system is more widely used, so newer members will understand it where as some may not understand the reputation system (* (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=789315&p=8029970#post8029970))


Con:
- Can't give out 'likes' for competition rewards
- People with high power
- Like system is more 'up to date'
- Reputation allows you to add a comment


I'll add the same options we have 2 years ago.


What do you think? Can you add to the Pros and Cons?

Feel free to discuss your vote.

[buttons]

i would rather have nothing. i feel like people should have equal status on here, rather than maybe some new people assuming those with high reputations have more power and more right to an opinion. all it does is shows reputation given throughout the years, not how the person is seen today which should be more important?

and, i think kyle said this before maybe someone else, but i'd rather see people post "i agree with this __" rather than hide behind the reputation system? it does create a negative atmosphere when people are repped for bad posts and promotes bullying.

[The Don]

Keep it as it is since there's no reason to change it.

[MKR&*42]

"Get rid of both systems"

Surely you mean, get rid of rep + don't implement like. We don't have both systems atm :P

[scottish]

i would rather have nothing. i feel like people should have equal status on here, rather than maybe some new people assuming those with high reputations have more power and more right to an opinion. all it does is shows reputation given throughout the years, not how the person is seen today which should be more important?

and, i think kyle said this before maybe someone else, but i'd rather see people post "i agree with this __" rather than hide behind the reputation system? it does create a negative atmosphere when people are repped for bad posts and promotes bullying.

The like system would essentially do that, as it wouldn't cause someone to have say 100 'like' power, they would simply have 1, whether they had 0 likes or 100,000 likes they'll always have the exact same 'power'.

I agree I'd rather see people post, but again with the like system it would be something that's publicly displayed under each post (or somewhere near it) saying "x, x, x liked this post". so it would prevent the bullying that we have with the current system (unless they want to be publicly seen as endorsing those comments)

[The Don]

"get rid of vm's because you can bully people over them"

[scottish]

"Get rid of both systems"

Surely you mean, get rid of rep + don't implement like. We don't have both systems atm :P

Yeah blame MCR, I copied his poll from years ago :P

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STUPID AD THING KEEPS COMING UP SO I CANT REPLY GRR

im not against a like system, i just don't like the rep system anymore. i would rather have nothing but would prefer a like system over rep.

[Kyle]

Like systems promote bandwagoning and less contribution. If a persons name is within a thread under somebody's post to indicate that they like it they are less likely in my experience to actually contribute to discussion. It's about as useful as saying "this" or [2] or retweeting.

There are problems with the rep system of course but those regarding negativity were addressed before and the decision was taken to not do anything about them. What we have at the moment is a like system with no name display that encourages people to post if they want to be seen as contributors.


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[Hannah]

I much prefer reputation but I can see the multiple downfalls, as with a like system.

If you're going to change rep, I'd say just remove it altogether and people may actually contribute more.

[Chris]

I've wanted a like system for yonks so I'm glad you made this thread. The rep system is nothing but a pain in the backside for Forum Management and it's actually become a lot worse than it used to be. The -rep reports are constant and instead of people just accepting Forum Managements decision they decide to try and argue it out so they can have it removed.

If we were to bring in a like system to the forum then we could suspend the rep feature so that rep could no longer be issued. This would allow those who have become attached to their rep power to keep it displayed permanently.

But I don't think the system will change anyway. People are too stuck in their ways to accept such a change.

[Kyle]

Ideally I would like the current system (anonymous addition to counter on a post) that counts each person equally as a unit of 1 and the rep amount displayed would have no actual power.


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[Kyle]

I've wanted a like system for yonks so I'm glad you made this thread. The rep system is nothing but a pain in the backside for Forum Management and it's actually become a lot worse than it used to be. The -rep reports are constant and instead of people just accepting Forum Managements decision they decide to try and argue it out so they can have it removed.

If we were to bring in a like system to the forum then we could suspend the rep feature so that rep could no longer be issued. This would allow those who have become attached to their rep power to keep it displayed permanently.

But I don't think the system will change anyway. People are too stuck in their ways to accept such a change.
Or you could, yknow, stop allowing people to report rep.


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[zombies]

like system, rep seems really outdated.

[The Don]

Can someone explain how rep is outdated, I don't really get it

[AgnesIO]

Yeah blame MCR, I copied his poll from years ago :P

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Interestingly, I voted exactly the same this time as I did last time (reduce rep powers) - who'd have thought? :L

Is it possible to find out exactly how many +Rep's a person has got? Could they then be directly converted to likes (if a user makes a request) - ie. 1 +Rep =/= 1 like (no matter how many points).

I would be happy with likes, just - personally - I don't think you should completely eradicate peoples 'credit' for potentially the past 11 years worth of posts (god, that is scary).

I do think a like system would be used more - not sure why, I guess just due to experience on other forums.

EDIT: You can tell I read the poll options properly xox :P

[scottish]

I've wanted a like system for yonks so I'm glad you made this thread. The rep system is nothing but a pain in the backside for Forum Management and it's actually become a lot worse than it used to be. The -rep reports are constant and instead of people just accepting Forum Managements decision they decide to try and argue it out so they can have it removed.

If we were to bring in a like system to the forum then we could suspend the rep feature so that rep could no longer be issued. This would allow those who have become attached to their rep power to keep it displayed permanently.

But I don't think the system will change anyway. People are too stuck in their ways to accept such a change.

If it's come to such a point it's causing such an issue then perhaps it's time to force a change.

For example with rep inflation it was an issue multiple times and they were then forced with the rep scaling, I believe a poll was done and something like 80% were against it, but within a few weeks all was forgotten.

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Ideally I would like the current system (anonymous addition to counter on a post) that counts each person equally as a unit of 1 and the rep amount displayed would have no actual power.


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So, you'd display the amount of times you'd been repped instead of the power? (as you wouldn't show points, as that's dependent on rep power)

So for example if you +rep me 80 times and -rep me 5, 75 would be shown?

[Kyle]

Lol just skimmed through that thread and Scott made a post that said habbox will be dead long before anyone reaches 100 rep power. I think that's telling of how highly repped users are able to keep an exponentially increase their monopoly and new users are left in the cold when it comes to having any visible sway on opinion through their meagre rep powers.


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[The Don]

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Interestingly, I voted exactly the same this time as I did last time (reduce rep powers) - who'd have thought? :L

Is it possible to find out exactly how many +Rep's a person has got? Could they then be directly converted to likes (if a user makes a request) - ie. 1 +Rep =/= 1 like (no matter how many points).

I would be happy with likes, just - personally - I don't think you should completely eradicate peoples 'credit' for potentially the past 11 years worth of posts (god, that is scary).

I do think a like system would be used more - not sure why, I guess just due to experience on other forums.

EDIT: You can tell I read the poll options properly xox :P

Exactly, if General Management didn't reset the scores on the arcade for exactly the same reason then why is it suddenly ok to do the same for the rep system?

[Chris]

Or you could, yknow, stop allowing people to report rep.


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I'm sure forum management would love to do that, but you haven't considered the effect that doing that would actually have. It would just allow people to abuse the system willy-nilly which would make the system even worse than it already is.

And scottish; I can't really force the change. If I did then I imagine people would be all over me like a pack of wolves.

[Kyle]

If it's come to such a point it's causing such an issue then perhaps it's time to force a change.

For example with rep inflation it was an issue multiple times and they were then forced with the rep scaling, I believe a poll was done and something like 80% were against it, but within a few weeks all was forgotten.

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So, you'd display the amount of times you'd been repped instead of the power? (as you wouldn't show points, as that's dependent on rep power)

So for example if you +rep me 80 times and -rep me 5, 75 would be shown?

Exactly that. Though I think id rather it show +80-5 than +75


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[scottish]

Lol just skimmed through that thread and Scott made a post that said habbox will be dead long before anyone reaches 100 rep power. I think that's telling of how highly repped users are able to keep an exponentially increase their monopoly and new users are left in the cold when it comes to having any visible sway on opinion through their meagre rep powers.


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Yeah I believe it was posted in that thread that its much harder for higher rep users to get the rep (as they're giving out more than receiving) but evidently not if they're jumping up that fast lol.

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I'm sure forum management would love to do that, but you haven't considered the effect that doing that would actually have. It would just allow people to abuse the system willy-nilly which would make the system even worse than it already is.

And scottish; I can't really force the change. If I did then I imagine people would be all over me like a pack of wolves.

Stopping the report of -reps would result in the reputation system having even more of a negative impact and more pointless, revenge, rude, etc reps given/received.

You forced piss rep, this is a lot better :P

[The Don]

Yeah I believe it was posted in that thread that its much harder for higher rep users to get the rep (as they're giving out more than receiving) but evidently not if they're jumping up that fast lol.

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Stopping the report of -reps would result in the reputation system having even more of a negative impact and more pointless, revenge, rude, etc reps given/received.

You forced piss rep, this is a lot better :P

New users rep is jumping up just as quick. bikini; joined a year ago and already has 12 Rep Power.

[AgnesIO]

Lol just skimmed through that thread and Scott made a post that said habbox will be dead long before anyone reaches 100 rep power. I think that's telling of how highly repped users are able to keep an exponentially increase their monopoly and new users are left in the cold when it comes to having any visible sway on opinion through their meagre rep powers.


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That is indeed very telling lol


Exactly, if General Management didn't reset the scores on the arcade for exactly the same reason then why is it suddenly ok to do the same for the rep system?

I agree. I do think the current system is flawed (FlyingJesus +Reps me 4 times = 1 rep power. New user reps me 400 times = 1 rep power. Is a new users opinion REALLY that void? I am therefore in favour of a one like = one rep power switch, which I can't see anyone complaining with, given how the current system is (in fairness) very artificial in terms of measuring anything... at all.

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New users rep is jumping up just as quick. @bikini (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=119486); joined a year ago and already has 12 Rep Power.

Probably largely down to the Christmas rep thread :P

[Kyle]

New users rep is jumping up just as quick. bikini; joined a year ago and already has 12 Rep Power.

12 rep power is like over 2k rep points below me, it's just not as large a number as it might have been years ago


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[The Don]

Probably largely down to the Christmas rep thread :P

Which would also increase FlyingJesus;' score, so new users are gaining just as much as older users.

[Kyle]

Which would also increase FlyingJesus;' score, so new users are gaining just as much as older users.

In that one thread yes, in general no.


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[The Don]

In that one thread yes, in general no.


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His comment was about that one thread?

[scottish]

Which would also increase FlyingJesus;' score, so new users are gaining just as much as older users.

the point was, they said they gained a lot less (the highest rep people) due to everyone else having sometimes significantly lower power. which obviously isn't the case if they're gaining more power than a new active user.

if we did stick with rep, is there a way to alter it so it's not as simple as

400 = 1
800 = 2
1200 = 3 etc

so maybe

400 = 1
1000 = 2
1800 = 3

etc

obviously not those exact figures but you get the point.

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Interestingly, I voted exactly the same this time as I did last time (reduce rep powers) - who'd have thought? :L

Is it possible to find out exactly how many +Rep's a person has got? Could they then be directly converted to likes (if a user makes a request) - ie. 1 +Rep =/= 1 like (no matter how many points).
this was my reasoning last time the poll came up, that it doesn't matter how much reputation points or power i have, that's not indicative of the amount of times i've actually been repped and i don't find it fair that my agreement with someone is going to give them a lot of rep compared to someone with a lower rep.
i did count up mine before and i can't remember how much it came to... 124 pages to go through...

[Chris]

Stopping the report of -reps would result in the reputation system having even more of a negative impact and more pointless, revenge, rude, etc reps given/received.

You forced piss rep, this is a lot better :P

Yeah exactly, so disallowing reports would be a really bad idea.

"Piss rep" is a bit different though. That was just a small addition to the system which didn't really change the way it works. A like system is a large change thats going to effect users.

[Kyle]

the point was, they said they gained a lot less (the highest rep people) due to everyone else having sometimes significantly lower power. which obviously isn't the case if they're gaining more power than a new active user.

if we did stick with rep, is there a way to alter it so it's not as simple as

400 = 1
800 = 2
1200 = 3 etc

so maybe

400 = 1
1000 = 2
1800 = 3

etc

obviously not those exact figures but you get the point.

What would that achieve other than making it just as hard to gain rep

Abolish te power element I say!


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[The Don]

the point was, they said they gained a lot less (the highest rep people) due to everyone else having sometimes significantly lower power. which obviously isn't the case if they're gaining more power than a new active user.

if we did stick with rep, is there a way to alter it so it's not as simple as

400 = 1
800 = 2
1200 = 3 etc

so maybe

400 = 1
1000 = 2
1800 = 3

etc

obviously not those exact figures but you get the point.

I'm getting confused. Bikini (new user) has received 1/4 of my rep power in just one year. Is there any proof that older users gain more power than new active users?

But yeah, I'm not opposed to making all reps issued equal.

[scottish]

What would that achieve other than making it just as hard to gain rep

Abolish te power element I say!


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That works too, but idk how practical that is. As far as I'm aware from the rep system there isn't an option to just show amount of reps etc, it's based on power always from what I remember.

It would make it harder and harder as you go up in power, so you're not getting the same amount of rep points between rep power as someone who's been here for 2 days.

[AgnesIO]

this was my reasoning last time the poll came up, that it doesn't matter how much reputation points or power i have, that's not indicative of the amount of times i've actually been repped and i don't find it fair that my agreement with someone is going to give them a lot of rep compared to someone with a lower rep.
i did count up mine before and i can't remember how much it came to... 124 pages to go through...

Agreed - I would be happy for a swap as long as old users posts are not ignored for their value to the forum (similarly against resetting post count etc).


What would that achieve other than making it just as hard to gain rep

Abolish te power element I say!


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Abolishing the power element does effectively make it a like system where peoples current number of +Reps are converted.

[Kyle]

Can we not export amount of times repped to a new system :(


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[scottish]

Can we not export amount of times repped to a new system :(


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not sure.

but as MCR said, showing only the amount of times you've been repped is essentially the like system. the only different is it's practical in the like system and not in standard vbulletins reputation system (from what I'm aware)

[buttons]

so we are in agreement that the fairest system is users aren't penalized for their previous contributions but we still remain on an equal level by not allowing one person's like/rep to be more powerful than anothers?

[scottish]

I'm getting confused. Bikini (new user) has received 1/4 of my rep power in just one year. Is there any proof that older users gain more power than new active users?

But yeah, I'm not opposed to making all reps issued equal.

yes, there is proof if you ask the people with access to go through and make a comparison of every users reps over the past year, other than that no :P

The argument that was made in the other thread was something along the lines of;

New users gain more rep points because older members have high rep. It's hard to gain rep power at higher powers because you get repped lower than you give out.

Where as some of the highest members have gone up what 15-20 rep power in the year or something? (idk exactly, I don't record this data and keep a date of it) so it's obviously not accurate. Maybe it's a tiny bit different or more equal, but they're obviously not at a huge disadvantage.

[AgnesIO]

Can we not export amount of times repped to a new system :(


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That is the fourth system in the poll :)

[James]

why are you so set on changing every single tiny little detail about the forum scottish? theres nothing wrong with reputation so just stop

[AgnesIO]

so we are in agreement that the fairest system is users aren't penalized for their previous contributions but we still remain on an equal level by not allowing one person's like/rep to be more powerful than anothers?

I am in agreement with this.

[scottish]

so we are in agreement that the fairest system is users aren't penalized for their previous contributions but we still remain on an equal level by not allowing one person's like/rep to be more powerful than anothers?

so basically a like system? :P

[AgnesIO]

so basically a like system? :P

Yes - we are saying a like system is fine, BUT only if old contributions are carrier forward (ie. the fourth poll option).

[scottish]

why are you so set on changing every single tiny little detail about the forum scottish? theres nothing wrong with reputation so just stop

because people brought it up in a completely different topic and prompted me to post this, and obviously other members and staff don't agree.

[buttons]

That is the fourth system in the poll :)
so we've all voted different stuff in the polls but would all (from us posting) be happy to come to an agreement lol that's why polls suck

why are you so set on changing every single tiny little detail about the forum scottish? theres nothing wrong with reputation so just stop
there's plenty wrong with it if you actually have a look at this thread, rather than making assumptions. many of us have argued throughout the years for change in the reputation system, not just scott.


the only reason i don't like the like system, although there's probably no alternative, is because sometimes people like the anonymity of giving rep. as in, only that member sees it, rather than the public.

[scottish]

Yes - we are saying a like system is fine, BUT only if old contributions are carrier forward (ie. the fourth poll option).

Yes, so the 4th option.

A like system with all current reps carried over (i.e. 1 +rep = 1 like).

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so we've all voted different stuff in the polls but would all (from us posting) be happy to come to an agreement lol that's why polls suck

there's plenty wrong with it if you actually have a look at this thread, rather than making assumptions. many of us have argued throughout the years for change in the reputation system, not just scott.

you can remove your vote with the red - and re-vote :)

[AgnesIO]

why are you so set on changing every single tiny little detail about the forum scottish? theres nothing wrong with reputation so just stop

There are issues with reputation (which have been clearly listed in the first post and elsewhere in this thread). I'd rather see others give suggestions than let things just roll on forever if there is potentially a better system.

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so we've all voted different stuff in the polls but would all (from us posting) be happy to come to an agreement lol that's why polls suck


Yup, pretty much it :P

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In regards to the latter bit of your post which I removed, I can see that point, but users may not be so scared for it to be shown if there is no 'dislike' button - as there would be not be a potential reprimand for liking.

[The Don]

so we are in agreement that the fairest system is users aren't penalized for their previous contributions but we still remain on an equal level by not allowing one person's like/rep to be more powerful than anothers?

That seems fair, as long as past reps/rep power isn't removed i'm not too bothered

[Kyle]

I gained the almost exact same amount of rep points in 2014 to flyingjesus which I think was 8k it's in the 2014 stats thread

Seems to only be us older users that care about what system is used :/ yh I agree with buttons post were ever it is and I can't vote in poll cos tapatalk


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[The Don]

Yes, so the 4th option.

A like system with all current reps carried over (i.e. 1 +rep = 1 like).

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you can remove your vote with the red - and re-vote :)

No because that's a like system not rep system. I want the system to remain the same with the only difference being all reps issued give the same amount of points.

[scottish]

That seems fair, as long as past reps/rep power isn't removed i'm not too bothered

As Wispur; said I believe he'd disable the system so it would remain there, comments and such displaying just inability to rep in future.

[AgnesIO]

I gained the almost exact same amount of rep points in 2014 to flyingjesus which I think was 8k it's in the 2014 stats thread

Seems to only be us older users that care about what system is used :/ yh I agree with buttons post were ever it is and I can't vote in poll cos tapatalk


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That will be partially because there aren't really many new members on the forum that are actually active anymore.. this forum is held up by the long-term users (similar to any business structure, I guess).

[scottish]

No because that's a like system not rep system. I want the system to remain the same with the only difference being all reps issued give the same amount of points.

Which I don't believe would be possible in the current system unless they go through every single rep changing the power to 1, then set so power will never rise.

[The Don]

Which I don't believe would be possible in the current system unless they go through every single rep changing the power to 1, then set so power will never rise.

They wouldn't need to change old reps? Just change it so any future reps carry the same weight.

[scottish]

They wouldn't need to change old reps? Just change it so any future reps carry the same weight.

So you'd make it IMPOSSIBLE for any new member to get comparable rep points to anyone else, as we go up sometimes 80 at a time, and a new member would go up 1.


So where we have something like 15,000 average rep maybe, it would take 15,000 reps for a new member to achieve the same.

[Kyle]

Can someone offer an updated list of possibilities

I'd like anonymous rep/like display on posts (number only) to discourage lurking or targeting
- everyone has 1 power
- amount of reps/likes displayed
- still able to give comments with reps/likes
-still able to negatively rep BUT valid comment must be provided (would reduce amt of reports)


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[scottish]

Can someone offer an updated list of possibilities

I'd like anonymous rep/like display on posts (number only) to discourage lurking or targeting
- everyone has 1 power
- amount of reps/likes displayed
- still able to give comments with reps/likes
-still able to negatively rep BUT valid comment must be provided (would reduce amt of reports)


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We'd have to see what's practical.

Like saying change the rep system to show the amount of times we've been repped, that may be impossible from a coding perspective so it's pointless suggesting :P

[Kyle]

Everyone count your own rep and someone e count mine for me.


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[buttons]

oh yeah so if someone likes someones post it would just come up 1 person likes this? if that's possible, i would agree.
agree w/ 1 power
amount of reps/likes instead of how much rep points displayed, yes
comments would be a good idea if they're private


- everyone has 1 power
- amount of reps/likes displayed
- still able to give comments with reps/likes
-still able to negatively rep BUT valid comment must be provided (would reduce amt of reports)


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[dbgtz]

- Reputation is an out dated system
How so?

- Reputation is heavily seen as a negative system
Because you can give minus rep? Why is that a bad thing?

- Reputation adds more work for forum staff due to reports
Does it?

- Reputation is abused (friends repping each other, pointless reps, rude reps, revenge reps, etc)
Likes could also be abused

- Like system publicly shows who agrees/liked your posts
Matter of opinion if this is a positive thing.

- Like system shows a 'total' (rather than power)
So does the current rep system on a post-by-post basis

- Like system has a flat out power (1) making it equal for all (i.e. someone joining tomorrow can like a post, as well as someone from 10 years ago, and there isn't 80 points different within their 'like')
Fair point

- Like system is more widely used, so newer members will understand it where as some may not understand the reputation system (*)
It's not really that complicated and widely used =/= better.
scottish;

you seem to care a fair amount for a forum you're no longer going to use in May :O

[Lewis]

I personally prefer the rep system over the like system due to being able to give negatives as well as positives, comment on them, etc. I voted to keep it the same as it currently is, but I wouldn't mind having both systems on the forum at the same time if it was possible.

[scottish]

- Reputation is an out dated system
How so?

It was an old system used when vB came out in what 2004? Every other forum software adapted this to a like/thanks system as well as several plugins for vbullletin. Most social websites will make use of some form of 'like' system (reddit, facebook, even the likes of twitter with retween/favourites)

- Reputation is heavily seen as a negative system
Because you can give minus rep? Why is that a bad thing?

As a Habbo fansite you're obviously encouraging a positive atmosphere so obviously a negative system which promotes a negative atmosphere is going to be a bad thing..

- Reputation adds more work for forum staff due to reports
Does it?

Did you read this thread? See Wispur's reply. Obviously it does.

- Reputation is abused (friends repping each other, pointless reps, rude reps, revenge reps, etc)
Likes could also be abused

It sure could but it's a public system, so if you liked every one of my posts, I'm sure someone would spot it fairly quickly, where as rep abuse would go unnoticed unless an admin actively looked for it, or the rep got reported.

- Like system publicly shows who agrees/liked your posts
Matter of opinion if this is a positive thing.

Again promotes a positive atmosphere, for example now if I insult you I might get 10 people who hate you +repping me, where as in a system that's public I wouldn't imagine many (if any) would do the same.

- Like system shows a 'total' (rather than power)
So does the current rep system on a post-by-post basis

Feel free to tell me how many reps I've gained via the post-by-post system

- Like system has a flat out power (1) making it equal for all (i.e. someone joining tomorrow can like a post, as well as someone from 10 years ago, and there isn't 80 points different within their 'like')
Fair point

Thank you

- Like system is more widely used, so newer members will understand it where as some may not understand the reputation system (*)
It's not really that complicated and widely used =/= better.
scottish;

I never said it's better, but given the source (the asterisk) obviously some members see it as being a more understandable and easy to use system, maybe because it's so popular on literally every other website in the world so they're more used to it, then come to old fashioned habbox and think wtf is rep, idk.

you seem to care a fair amount for a forum you're no longer going to use in May :O

So because I plan on quitting in a few months means I can't make the forum 'better' for the duration I'm still here? or my opinion isn't valid? no.



Each point was brought up in the other thread so read it for a thorough understanding.

However I'll answer to sum it up in red.

[The Don]

Each point was brought up in the other thread so read it for a thorough understanding.

However I'll answer to sum it up in red.

Not every forum has gone to the like system, stop exaggerating. forum.bodybuild.com is a prime example of a popular forum with a rep system. Old doesn't mean outdated.

[AgnesIO]

I personally prefer the rep system over the like system due to being able to give negatives as well as positives, comment on them, etc. I voted to keep it the same as it currently is, but I wouldn't mind having both systems on the forum at the same time if it was possible.

nononononononononononono.

This is the worst suggestion out of the lot! Not a dig at you - it is one that has come up regularly over the years, and I still think it would be totally unnecessary.

[MKR&*42]

Having used a forum where a rep + like system are both present, I can tell you having both is a completely unnecessary idea.

[Lewis]

nononononononononononono.

This is the worst suggestion out of the lot! Not a dig at you - it is one that has come up regularly over the years, and I still think it would be totally unnecessary.

Well as I said I'd rather just keep it as it is with the rep, but if I had to choose otherwise it'd be both. :P

[MKR&*42]

Not every forum has gone to the like system, stop exaggerating. forum.bodybuild.com is a prime example of a popular forum with a rep system. Old doesn't mean outdated.

thestudentroom.co.uk also still has a rep system (though last year it removed -rep).

[scottish]

So you'd make it IMPOSSIBLE for any new member to get comparable rep points to anyone else, as we go up sometimes 80 at a time, and a new member would go up 1.


So where we have something like 15,000 average rep maybe, it would take 15,000 reps for a new member to achieve the same.

you seemed to have missed a post The Don;

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Not every forum has gone to the like system, stop exaggerating. forum.bodybuild.com is a prime example of a popular forum with a rep system. Old doesn't mean outdated.

If it's regarding my first point I said forum software.

if it's in regard to my 'literally every other website in the world' comment, then you caught me. I exaggerated.

[Kyle]

thestudentroom.co.uk also still has a rep system (though last year it removed -rep).

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/faq.php?faq=rep

Tsr rep is capped isn't it


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[Kyle]

Keep or reform current system. No to likes.


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[MKR&*42]

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/faq.php?faq=rep

Tsr rep is capped isn't it


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I was just on their site trying to find the faq for rep and you posted it jesus.

Yes can only rep 5 times per day if that's what you meant?

Also the rep levels are extremely hard to progress through (e..g right now I have 15,000 rep poitns and a power/level of 45. Whereas on TSR I would only be on power/level 10).

[FlyingJesus]

- Reputation is an out dated system In no provable way other than "other places have changed!!!!"
- Reputation is heavily seen as a negative system [citation needed]
- Reputation adds more work for forum staff due to reports Only when you tell staff to delete Akeam's valid reps
- Reputation is abused (friends repping each other, pointless reps, rude reps, revenge reps, etc) And this could never happen with a like system obv
- Like system publicly shows who agrees/liked your posts Rep system could do that I'm sure if that's what people want
- Like system shows a 'total' (rather than power) Rep system could also do that, it does it in userCP so the forum obviously knows the numbers
- Like system has a flat out power (1) making it equal for all (i.e. someone joining tomorrow can like a post, as well as someone from 10 years ago, and there isn't 80 points different within their 'like') Thereby taking away any semblance of a reward
- Like system is more widely used, so newer members will understand it where as some may not understand the reputation system (* (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=789315&p=8029970#post8029970)) Learning is bad


If we were to bring in a like system to the forum then we could suspend the rep feature so that rep could no longer be issued. This would allow those who have become attached to their rep power to keep it displayed permanently.

That would make things permanently unequal. I like having the most rep obv but if we're going to pretend that fairness is an issue here then stopping new users from ever having the chance to have a high rep count/power doesn't make any sense


Lol just skimmed through that thread and Scott made a post that said habbox will be dead long before anyone reaches 100 rep power. I think that's telling of how highly repped users are able to keep an exponentially increase their monopoly and new users are left in the cold when it comes to having any visible sway on opinion through their meagre rep powers.

Your maths is off. All rep powers go up exponentially as more rep occurs, but the differences should (if everyone got repped the same amount, which they don't for obvious reasons) decrease since newer members will be receiving much more per rep than they give out. People with higher rep continuing to get more only shows that their posts are deemed more worthy of rep, not that the system mathematically fails newer members by design


Realistically any changes that are in any way necessary could be done to the current system rather than pretending that everyone's equal and reputation means something other than reputation. Also changing all rep power to 1 just means no-one's position will ever change, as well as the massive problem of like systems with an overall count being open to extreme abuse since there isn't a limit on how many times you can like posts by X user, and if there is then it's not going to actually show which posts you like obviously.

[scottish]

- Reputation is an out dated system In no provable way other than "other places have changed!!!!" If every other forum (not literally, majority) has moved on to another system there's obviously it's out dated as well as every forum software since then including a like/thanks system as opposed to a reputation, no?
- Reputation is heavily seen as a negative system [citation needed] See every thread regarding the negatives of the system and countless threads asking to change, remove -reps and so on due to it providing a negative atmosphere with -reps
- Reputation adds more work for forum staff due to reports Only when you tell staff to delete Akeam's valid reps If it was valid it wouldn't be removed now would it? Revenge rep is against the rules if you cared to check.
- Reputation is abused (friends repping each other, pointless reps, rude reps, revenge reps, etc) And this could never happen with a like system obv It's a lot clearer with a like system as every member can clearly see what's happening with every post. Reputation is the complete opposite.
- Like system publicly shows who agrees/liked your posts Rep system could do that I'm sure if that's what people want Not unless you were to either rewrite the full system, the only built in way is to show your profile to all.
- Like system shows a 'total' (rather than power) Rep system could also do that, it does it in userCP so the forum obviously knows the numbers UserCP shows points, there is no count of the amount of times you've been repped.
- Like system has a flat out power (1) making it equal for all (i.e. someone joining tomorrow can like a post, as well as someone from 10 years ago, and there isn't 80 points different within their 'like') Thereby taking away any semblance of a reward The amount of points you accumulate is the reward, so if you helped in 1,000 posts and got 3,000 likes for that, that's your reward. You don't need to have a power 104 times higher than a new user to be able to be rewarded through a system.
- Like system is more widely used, so newer members will understand it where as some may not understand the reputation system (*) Learning is bad Shouldn't be anything to learn for a new forum, as Inseriousity liked to remind us the other day "keep it simple, stupid" (ps this is a principle not an insult @the don; )



That would make things permanently unequal. I like having the most rep obv but if we're going to pretend that fairness is an issue here then stopping new users from ever having the chance to have a high rep count/power doesn't make any sense

I agree, link system with reps number of reps imported. No to both at the same time.

Your maths is off. All rep powers go up exponentially as more rep occurs, but the differences should (if everyone got repped the same amount, which they don't for obvious reasons) decrease since newer members will be receiving much more per rep than they give out. People with higher rep continuing to get more only shows that their posts are deemed more worthy of rep, not that the system mathematically fails newer members by design




Realistically any changes that are in any way necessary could be done to the current system rather than pretending that everyone's equal and reputation means something other than reputation. Also changing all rep power to 1 just means no-one's position will ever change, as well as the massive problem of like systems with an overall count being open to extreme abuse since there isn't a limit on how many times you can like posts by X user, and if there is then it's not going to actually show which posts you like obviously.

You can easily impose limits on liking each person x times within a week, or only once a week etc. and you can show which posts you liked in some systems afaik.

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[Reality]

There's no need to change a working system which has been in place since the early days of Habbox. The system isn't negative in anyway, it is a way to show appreciation or dislike against a post. The "Like" system will be the same as the current Reputation system anyway, just excluding -Rep options. I also like the authenticity of a Rep system as it allows you to add a short message, which is nicer than just giving a generic like.

[dbgtz]

It was an old system used when vB came out in what 2004? Every other forum software adapted this to a like/thanks system as well as several plugins for vbullletin. Most social websites will make use of some form of 'like' system (reddit, facebook, even the likes of twitter with retween/favourites)

Reddit goes a bit beyond a like system and Twitter isn't really a like system.

As a Habbo fansite you're obviously encouraging a positive atmosphere so obviously a negative system which promotes a negative atmosphere is going to be a bad thing..

Right, but as far as I see it, it's almost a false positive. If somebody was to post tomorrow and for instance would get 2 +rep and 3 -rep for say not contributing well to a debate. This could suggest to them that what they've posted isn't of the greatest quality, and thus will improve. If the -rep people can no longer do so, but they still get 2 likes, then to them it seems like there's no issue.
And, as someone who has done a fair amount of graphics and received a fair amount of -rep early on, it helped with getting to grips on a few things (mainly how to appropriately post). Purely anecdotal, but if you'll use an example with 1 person then so shall I.

Did you read this thread? See Wispur's reply. Obviously it does.

I skimmed. It was an actual question :P

It sure could but it's a public system, so if you liked every one of my posts, I'm sure someone would spot it fairly quickly, where as rep abuse would go unnoticed unless an admin actively looked for it, or the rep got reported.

But they could easily not spot it at the same time. What you've said is purely speculation.

Again promotes a positive atmosphere, for example now if I insult you I might get 10 people who hate you +repping me, where as in a system that's public I wouldn't imagine many (if any) would do the same.

On the other hand, people will be more reluctant to agree with someone who has more extremist views in fear of being judged, which stifles discussion. Both what you and I say is pure speculation with nothing to back it.

Feel free to tell me how many reps I've gained via the post-by-post system

By post-by-post, I mean you can see how many reps each individual post has got, not the total.

I never said it's better, but given the source (the asterisk) obviously some members see it as being a more understandable and easy to use system, maybe because it's so popular on literally every other website in the world so they're more used to it, then come to old fashioned habbox and think wtf is rep, idk.

One person... You could find "some members" for just about anything.

So because I plan on quitting in a few months means I can't make the forum 'better' for the duration I'm still here? or my opinion isn't valid? no.

Not that, just me doubting your plans :P


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[Richie]

I'd just remove the rep system, completely, if I had my way. Introduce a like / dislike system with no "power" status so it's a fair system for both newer and older members, just like the facebook system. The only difference being, people can dislike a post which will remove abither like, however it should never go into a negative state.

There's no need to have a status bar, all it does is make people think they're better than others 'cause they have a high rep status, there's no other reason for it other than power. I'd imagine a lot of people would be adamant to keep the current system though.




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[scottish]

It was an old system used when vB came out in what 2004? Every other forum software adapted this to a like/thanks system as well as several plugins for vbullletin. Most social websites will make use of some form of 'like' system (reddit, facebook, even the likes of twitter with retween/favourites)

Reddit goes a bit beyond a like system and Twitter isn't really a like system.

The favourite system is essentially a like system.

As a Habbo fansite you're obviously encouraging a positive atmosphere so obviously a negative system which promotes a negative atmosphere is going to be a bad thing..

Right, but as far as I see it, it's almost a false positive. If somebody was to post tomorrow and for instance would get 2 +rep and 3 -rep for say not contributing well to a debate. This could suggest to them that what they've posted isn't of the greatest quality, and thus will improve. If the -rep people can no longer do so, but they still get 2 likes, then to them it seems like there's no issue.
And, as someone who has done a fair amount of graphics and received a fair amount of -rep early on, it helped with getting to grips on a few things (mainly how to appropriately post). Purely anecdotal, but if you'll use an example with 1 person then so shall I.

Where as if you look at that you'd see +2 on the post. So for example countless times I've insulted FlyingJesus and ended up with like 10 +reps so it looks like insulting flyingjesus is a good thing (I won't argue about that, but from the perspective of the forum it's not, as it's promoting negativity and bullying in a sense)

Typically you're going to get people in graphics telling you what's wrong rather than -repping you (unless you're ripping peoples work)

Did you read this thread? See Wispur's reply. Obviously it does.

I skimmed. It was an actual question

Then re-read the thread and you'll get proof of my answer.

It sure could but it's a public system, so if you liked every one of my posts, I'm sure someone would spot it fairly quickly, where as rep abuse would go unnoticed unless an admin actively looked for it, or the rep got reported.

But they could easily not spot it at the same time. What you've said is purely speculation.

Sure, but with the current system it's the exact same. But there is NO chance of users spotting it (unless you're involved in the abuse)

Again promotes a positive atmosphere, for example now if I insult you I might get 10 people who hate you +repping me, where as in a system that's public I wouldn't imagine many (if any) would do the same.

On the other hand, people will be more reluctant to agree with someone who has more extremist views in fear of being judged, which stifles discussion. Both what you and I say is pure speculation with nothing to back it.

ideally you wouldn't want people agreeing with something that's insulting someone, they'd be more reluctant as they'd be 'out there' and that person can see who actually dislike/hates them.

Feel free to tell me how many reps I've gained via the post-by-post system

By post-by-post, I mean you can see how many reps each individual post has got, not the total.

I know. Like system provides both, my initial point.

I never said it's better, but given the source (the asterisk) obviously some members see it as being a more understandable and easy to use system, maybe because it's so popular on literally every other website in the world so they're more used to it, then come to old fashioned habbox and think wtf is rep, idk.

One person... You could find "some members" for just about anything.

I can guarantee more than 1 person has thought wtf is the rep system (guarantee as in the 11 years I've been here I've seen people question in both help desk and forum).

So because I plan on quitting in a few months means I can't make the forum 'better' for the duration I'm still here? or my opinion isn't valid? no.

Not that, just me doubting your plans

Doubt my plans all you want, I won't be here to care when it goes ahead :P

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red

[Chippiewill]

I want either a like system or a log2 around the rep power.

[scottish]

I'd just remove the rep system, completely. Introduce a like / dislike system with no "power" status so it's a fair system for both newer and older members, just like the facebook system.

There's no need to have a status bar, all it does is make people think they're better than others cause they have a high rep status, there's no other reason for it other than power. I'd imagine a lot of people would be adamant to keep the current system though.




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course they will rep is life to some people :P

[Richie]

course they will rep is life to some people :P

Just seems a little silly imo :p is there actually valid arguments to why people like the rep system other than it being there for those who love a good aul power trip?


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[Kyle]

Can y'all stop posting in quotes. Colours don't display on tapatalk!!


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[scottish]

Just seems a little silly imo :p is there actually valid arguments to why people like the rep system other than it being there for those who love a good aul power trip?


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All I can see is the ability to include a comment (which could otherwise be done in a post along with the rest of the comment) and obviously people can't part with their power.

[Richie]

All I can see is the ability to include a comment (which could otherwise be done in a post along with the rest of the comment) and obviously people can't part with their power.

It baffles me, why can't people use the little bit of jelly between their ears and come up with a solution. All they have to do is quote the person saying "I totally agree / disagree" with a reason to why. It'd also increase activity if people have to reply to another user explaining why they agree / disagree with a post.


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[Kyle]

Remove power but keep status. Done. Why do we need rep power ugh


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[FlyingJesus]

If every other forum (not literally, majority) has moved on to another system there's obviously it's out dated as well as every forum software since then including a like/thanks system as opposed to a reputation, no? No not at all, something being "outdated" suggests that its use is prohibitive compared to an improvement, not that people have decided on something else altogether. Most of Europe switched to the Euro but sterling isn't outdated.
UserCP shows points, there is no count of the amount of times you've been repped. That is still "a total" as you said you wanted, and the system still knows the number of reps you've received too as is clear from it being able to log each and every one of them as it does.
The amount of points you accumulate is the reward, so if you helped in 1,000 posts and got 3,000 likes for that, that's your reward. You don't need to have a power 104 times higher than a new user to be able to be rewarded through a system. I don't need that, no, but the only compromises that are being considered as anything akin to fair (although no-one seems to know what that really means) would show me as having 35,539 times more than a new member. Even if it were each rep given rather than the total rep received I would have ~1700 times what a new person has, and since all reps/likes would carry equal weight from then on it would actually be much harder for them to ever close the gap without abusing the system.
You can easily impose limits on liking each person x times within a week, or only once a week etc. and you can show which posts you liked in some systems afaik. Imposing limits on a like system isn't a like system at all, just the rep system we have but with 1 rep power fixed for everyone, which would have its own massive flaws.

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[Kyle]

It baffles me to think how people can use the little bit of jelly between their ears and come up with a solution. All they have to do is quote the person saying "I totally agree / disagree" with a reason to why. It'd also increase activity if people have to reply to another user explaining why they agree / disagree with a post.


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Many people don't do that and even in agreeing reps you'll find that the comments section is left empty. It's a difficult one, I think I would prefer a far smaller text limit for a compulsory comment section that allows them to expand on it within the thread if they wish


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[dbgtz]

The favourite system is essentially a like system.

I'd say it's more to do with saving and compiling your favourite tweets, not a like system. There's no counter anywhere showing the total amount of favourites on all tweets. If anything, it's more like it is with the current rep system where it shows popularity post by post :P

Where as if you look at that you'd see +2 on the post. So for example countless times I've insulted FlyingJesus and ended up with like 10 +reps so it looks like insulting flyingjesus is a good thing (I won't argue about that, but from the perspective of the forum it's not, as it's promoting negativity and bullying in a sense)

Typically you're going to get people in graphics telling you what's wrong rather than -repping you (unless you're ripping peoples work)

Yes, you would currently see +2 on both, but I'm also an advocate of showing -rep in the bottom left and that's something else entirely. Also, if you've ever been in the graphics section, nowadays you don't really get anything (the whole subforum is basically dead). It was just an example on how -rep isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Sure, but with the current system it's the exact same. But there is NO chance of users spotting it (unless you're involved in the abuse)

At the end of the day, abuse doesn't happen that much until a couple of people run a script on the forum. Fair point nonetheless. Could possibly be countered with showing who reps alongside how many reps per post.

ideally you wouldn't want people agreeing with something that's insulting someone, they'd be more reluctant as they'd be 'out there' and that person can see who actually dislike/hates them.

"Extremist" views =/= insulting someone. In many cases, it can mean the exact opposite.

I know. Like system provides both, my initial point.

This matters, because? I thought your point was towards an equal voice more so than being able to see the amount of posts? I'm sure it wouldn't be overly difficult to put something in to count up the posts without changing to a like system.

I can guarantee more than 1 person has thought wtf is the rep system (guarantee as in the 11 years I've been here I've seen people question in both help desk and forum).

But that could still be a tiny percentage in the grand scheme of things. I'd understand if you were talking more 80% of people finding it confusing, but it doesn't really seem to be like that.


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At the end of the day, I don't care so much if rep goes (though I do think it should be exported and put somewhere if it gets completely wiped), I just disagree with only having the ability to like something and not dislike it.

[Richie]

Many people don't do that and even in agreeing reps you'll find that the comments section is left empty. It's a difficult one, I think I would prefer a far smaller text limit for a compulsory comment section that allows them to expand on it within the thread if they wish


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I understand what you are saying but what I'm trying to say is, introduce a like / dislike system that doesn't allow you to leave comments but if someone still agrees/disagrees with a post and wants the user they're agreeing to know they 'liked' their post then they would have to reply giving a valid reason to why they agree (otherwise they'll be posting pointlessly), rather than being lazy and just saying 'Agreed' without stating why.

Tbh I'm not that fussed if/how it changes once reputation power system isn't a factor. I'd prefer what I suggested but I won't lose sleep if it's implemented slightly differently :P

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@scottish (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=53890); you should have just put two options, Keep current rep system, change the rep system to a like system, then if the second one did win it could be open for discussion on how it should be implemented. Having loads of options is just going to weaken any type of chance of change.

It should be even, change to a like system or keep it how it is, so voting is fair. I quite like all of the options bar the first but I can't vote for them all. I just think some sort of change is needed.

[scottish]

If every other forum (not literally, majority) has moved on to another system there's obviously it's out dated as well as every forum software since then including a like/thanks system as opposed to a reputation, no? No not at all, something being "outdated" suggests that its use is prohibitive compared to an improvement, not that people have decided on something else altogether. Most of Europe switched to the Euro but sterling isn't outdated. It is prohibitive compared to an improvement in the sense that it is restricted to specific stuff (such as inability to show your total amount of reps, inability to show keep it fair, inability to maintain it efficiently, etc) even half the stuff that's done with the rep just now is been modified in some way or another (rep counters on posts, multiple pages of received rep, rep given, rep points on userCP (for each rep)
UserCP shows points, there is no count of the amount of times you've been repped. That is still "a total" as you said you wanted, and the system still knows the number of reps you've received too as is clear from it being able to log each and every one of them as it does. It doesn't show a total amount, it only shows you a total inclusive of the hugely inflated powers. And again that would require core files to be modified to even attempt to get something shown.
The amount of points you accumulate is the reward, so if you helped in 1,000 posts and got 3,000 likes for that, that's your reward. You don't need to have a power 104 times higher than a new user to be able to be rewarded through a system. I don't need that, no, but the only compromises that are being considered as anything akin to fair (although no-one seems to know what that really means) would show me as having 35,539 times more than a new member. Even if it were each rep given rather than the total rep received I would have ~1700 times what a new person has, and since all reps/likes would carry equal weight from then on it would actually be much harder for them to ever close the gap without abusing the system. No it wouldn't unless you've received 35,539 reputation comments. The conversion is 1 +rep = 1 like, not 1 rep power. There's a huge different. Yes, you'd receive 1,700 more likes than a new person. Which would show you've experience and a history on the forum and not giving you some hugely inflated power when you like another person.. and that's what's wanted. Someone who's been here for 10 years should have higher 'likes' than someone who joins today, but it shouldn't give you the ability to like a post for 100 points and them 1 point. Power is the issue, if reps were always +1 point per rep then it wouldn't be as much of an issue today (aside from the whole negativity and such)
You can easily impose limits on liking each person x times within a week, or only once a week etc. and you can show which posts you liked in some systems afaik. Imposing limits on a like system isn't a like system at all, just the rep system we have but with 1 rep power fixed for everyone, which would have its own massive flaws. I never said they need to be imposed, but if it was being abused (assuming it were to be released) then something like once a day limit could be imposed, sure it's not ideal but if it's going to prevent abuse then so be it. Rep wasn't intended to have limits or a huge amount of work load revolving around it but look where we are today?

Blue because I wanted to be different

I assume you have no reply to the points you cut out?

yellow because I can be different too.

[Richie]

Edit: or even


Keep the current system
Change it to a like system
Remove both systems

[AgnesIO]

I understand what you are saying but what I'm trying to say is, introduce a like / dislike system that doesn't allow you to leave comments but if someone still agrees/disagrees with a post and wants the user they're agreeing to know they 'liked' their post then they would have to reply giving a valid reason to why they agree (otherwise they'll be posting pointlessly), rather than being lazy and just saying 'Agreed' without stating why.

Tbh I'm not that fussed if/how it changes once reputation power system isn't a factor. I'd prefer what I suggested but I won't lose sleep if it's implemented slightly differently :P

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@scottish (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=53890); you should have just put two options, Keep current rep system, change the rep system to a like system, then if the second one did win it could be open for discussion on how it should be implemented. Having loads of options is just going to weaken any type of chance of change.

It should be even, change to a like system or keep it how it is, so voting is fair. I quite like all of the options bar the first but I can't vote for them all. I just think some sort of change is needed.

Could just add the rep options together, and add the like votes together. Then decided on implementation.

[Richie]

Essentially at the moment the poll is

Keep it as it is - 14
Change it to a like system - 11
Get rid of it - 2

The only difference between both like options is one is implemented slightly differently

[buttons]

but the poll isn't accurate cause some of us would come to a compromise. so although i would say to have neither, i would be willing to vote on rep/like system providing it becomes more equal

[The Don]

Essentially at the moment the poll is

Keep it as it is - 14
Change it to a like system - 11
Get rid of it - 2

The only difference between both like options is one is implemented slightly differently

Even with a slight majority there's no point changing it. What's the point of going through all that hassle for a 55% majority? Clearly a lot of people want to keep things the way they are.

[Richie]

Even with a slight majority there's no point changing it. What's the point of going through all that hassle for a 55% majority? Clearly a lot of people want to keep things the way they are.

With no valid argument other than power.


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[scottish]

The favourite system is essentially a like system.

I'd say it's more to do with saving and compiling your favourite tweets, not a like system. There's no counter anywhere showing the total amount of favourites on all tweets. If anything, it's more like it is with the current rep system where it shows popularity post by post

Yes there is, each tweet has a counter for amount of favourites/retweets and your profile has a count of favourites? :P Sure twitter doesn't say you've received x favourites in total' (although I'm sure an external party does) doesn't mean it's not a like system though.

I completely disagree, if I get favourited 3000 times I don't suddenly have a favourite power of 30 :P

Where as if you look at that you'd see +2 on the post. So for example countless times I've insulted FlyingJesus and ended up with like 10 +reps so it looks like insulting flyingjesus is a good thing (I won't argue about that, but from the perspective of the forum it's not, as it's promoting negativity and bullying in a sense)

Typically you're going to get people in graphics telling you what's wrong rather than -repping you (unless you're ripping peoples work)

Yes, you would currently see +2 on both, but I'm also an advocate of showing -rep in the bottom left and that's something else entirely. Also, if you've ever been in the graphics section, nowadays you don't really get anything (the whole subforum is basically dead). It was just an example on how -rep isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Yeah I mean back in the day, when graphics was hugely popular rep wasn't that common and comments were.

Sure, but with the current system it's the exact same. But there is NO chance of users spotting it (unless you're involved in the abuse)

At the end of the day, abuse doesn't happen that much until a couple of people run a script on the forum. Fair point nonetheless. Could possibly be countered with showing who reps alongside how many reps per post.

Argue that with the forum managers and GM's, Wispur posted suggesting otherwise.

ideally you wouldn't want people agreeing with something that's insulting someone, they'd be more reluctant as they'd be 'out there' and that person can see who actually dislike/hates them.

"Extremist" views =/= insulting someone. In many cases, it can mean the exact opposite.

Care to show some extremists views?

I know. Like system provides both, my initial point.

This matters, because? I thought your point was towards an equal voice more so than being able to see the amount of posts? I'm sure it wouldn't be overly difficult to put something in to count up the posts without changing to a like system.

There's multiple points, equal voice being one this being another. We've quoted each other so many times idk what the original point in this part of the quote relates to.

I can guarantee more than 1 person has thought wtf is the rep system (guarantee as in the 11 years I've been here I've seen people question in both help desk and forum).

But that could still be a tiny percentage in the grand scheme of things. I'd understand if you were talking more 80% of people finding it confusing, but it doesn't really seem to be like that.

It was one part that was brought up in a previous thread regarding this, so I figured it deserved its place as obviously some do see it as confusing when they join.

Green

At the end of the day, I don't care so much if rep goes (though I do think it should be exported and put somewhere if it gets completely wiped), I just disagree with only having the ability to like something and not dislike it.

idk what colour i done this time

[FlyingJesus]

The points I cut out don't need replies as they are either pure conjecture or flat out lies, as is most of what you've replied saying there. As for power being the issue, remind me again why it's a bad thing that I and a great many others here can reward people well when they do admirable things, because it seems that has never actually been explained other than "it's unfair to have a bigger number!!!!!!!" when other than on the display (and what you're really advocating for is just a different type of display) it does far more good to the community at large than it does to me personally

[The Don]

With no valid argument other than power.


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Have you missed the multiple paragraphs by dbgtz; and FlyingJesus; or something?

[FlyingJesus]

With no valid argument other than power.

Try reading it's really fun

[AgnesIO]

I notice rep count is on show now..

sorry if that is posted already.

Basically, that should be how many 'likes' we have.

[scottish]

Even with a slight majority there's no point changing it. What's the point of going through all that hassle for a 55% majority? Clearly a lot of people want to keep things the way they are.

It's not a hassle changing it, and it's more efficient to maintain the new system.

and obviously from the GM's perspective they want to change it so.

[buttons]

does rep count that's up only show +reps or does it show every rep u've got?
i mean does it take away your -reps from your score

[scottish]

now reset every rep given to 1 power and remove the rep power bar and remove the ability to increase rep power.

sorted

[AgnesIO]

does rep count that's up only show +reps or does it show every rep u've got?
i mean does it take away your -reps from your score

-reps appear to be removed from the score. I have about 1000 reps total, and 672 showing here.

[The Don]

now reset every rep given to 1 power and remove the rep power bar and remove the ability to increase rep power.

sorted

or not

[FlyingJesus]

What was that about needing a complete system rewrite to do it

[Chippiewill]

What was that about needing a complete system rewrite to do it

I'd like to emphasise this is not even close to what a like system would amount to.

[scottish]

Me: Like system publicly shows who agrees/liked your posts
You: Rep system could do that I'm sure if that's what people want
Me: Not unless you were to either rewrite the full system, the only built in way is to show your profile to all.


completely different point, but nice try.

[AgnesIO]

The "Rep Count" thing does show the problems with the current system though.

Averages between 1 rep power for 14 reps to about 1 rep power for 20 reps by the looks of it.

Yet, right now (due to inflation), I imagine it is below 10 reps to 1 rep power.

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I'd like to emphasise this is not even close to what a like system would amount to.

Is your rep fixed at 50 as admin?

128 rep count, 50 rep power? Seems to be way off :L

[Chris]

now reset every rep given to 1 power and remove the rep power bar and remove the ability to increase rep power.

sorted

So basically just install a like system plugin? Lol

[Chippiewill]

Is your rep fixed at 50 as admin?

128 rep count, 50 rep power? Seems to be way off :L

That tends to happen when someone deletes your account.

[FlyingJesus]

UserCP shows points, there is no count of the amount of times you've been repped.
That is still "a total" as you said you wanted, and the system still knows the number of reps you've received too as is clear from it being able to log each and every one of them as it does.
It doesn't show a total amount, it only shows you a total inclusive of the hugely inflated powers. And again that would require core files to be modified to even attempt to get something shown.

Try again

[scottish]

So basically just install a like system plugin? Lol

Go for it.

[AgnesIO]

I would prefer the like system I think to just make it easier, yes it doesn't take much effort to rep, but it is even easier to just click 'like'. I think I'd use it more liberally.

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That tends to happen when someone deletes your account.

Ahh, I get it :L Was wondering how you only got 128 +Reps but there we go :P

[scottish]

UserCP shows points, there is no count of the amount of times you've been repped.
That is still "a total" as you said you wanted, and the system still knows the number of reps you've received too as is clear from it being able to log each and every one of them as it does.
It doesn't show a total amount, it only shows you a total inclusive of the hugely inflated powers. And again that would require core files to be modified to even attempt to get something shown.

Try again

and it did require stuff to be edited? Rep count isn't something that comes built into vBulletin. It's something Chippie manually added afaik.

your turn.

[Chippiewill]

and it did require stuff to be edited? Rep count isn't something that comes built into vBulletin. It's something Chippie manually added afaik.

your turn.

tbf it wasn't core files. It was two lines of code as a plugin.

[AgnesIO]

So is it possible to transfer "Rep Count" to "Likes"? Then scrap bars, power and points.

[scottish]

tbf it wasn't core files. It was two lines of code as a plugin.

fair enough :P

[dbgtz]

did*


Yes there is, each tweet has a counter for amount of favourites/retweets and your profile has a count of favourites? Sure twitter doesn't say you've received x favourites in total' (although I'm sure an external party does) doesn't mean it's not a like system though.

I completely disagree, if I get favourited 3000 times I don't suddenly have a favourite power of 30

My point is the primary function is to put them in the favourites pile, not to act as a favourite system.

Yeah I mean back in the day, when graphics was hugely popular rep wasn't that common and comments were.

I think my point was those who repped tended to give some kind of explanation, those who posted generally gave generic comments or merely a rating. There was a period when me and a couple of others tried to keep a "must post constructively" rule because of this.
On the point of ripping though, -rep is a bit of a deterrent.

Argue that with the forum managers and GM's, Wispur posted suggesting otherwise.

OK

Care to show some extremists views?

People's definitions of extremist is different, but let me see if I can find any on the forum and I'll vm them in a bit. In a general sense, you could argue it with say feminism and LGBT rights back in the day. Even now, some people probably disagree with say, gay marriage, but would be too afraid to voice their opinion.

There's multiple points, equal voice being one this being another. We've quoted each other so many times idk what the original point in this part of the quote relates to.

Did a rep count just get added lmao

It was one part that was brought up in a previous thread regarding this, so I figured it deserved its place as obviously some do see it as confusing when they join.

Fair enough. I don't disagree that it might be to some, but as I said there will always be those who find something more confusing or offensive etc.

[scottish]

So is it possible to transfer "Rep Count" to "Likes"? Then scrap bars, power and points.

I would imagine so, could just export the count and import it to likes.

[Chippiewill]

So is it possible to transfer "Rep Count" to "Likes"? Then scrap bars, power and points.

Yes.

[FlyingJesus]

And it obviously took him ages and was totes gruelling work... you're trying to argue points that have already been defeated, fact is that not only do most people want to keep the current system, but workarounds can be done with it (and obviously with some ease) in order to show the things you wanted and not take anything away from anyone

Still waiting to hear responses on why rep powers which favour point-building for new members and the community as a whole are a bad thing

[AgnesIO]

And it obviously took him ages and was totes gruelling work... you're trying to argue points that have already been defeated, fact is that not only do most people want to keep the current system, but workarounds can be done with it (and obviously with some ease) in order to show the things you wanted and not take anything away from anyone

Still waiting to hear responses on why rep powers which favour point-building for new members and the community as a whole are a bad thing

Because being able to give people one rep power by repping them four times was clearly not intended when the rep system was created? :L

[Chippiewill]

And it obviously took him ages and was totes gruelling work... you're trying to argue points that have already been defeated, fact is that not only do most people want to keep the current system, but workarounds can be done with it (and obviously with some ease) in order to show the things you wanted and not take anything away from anyone

In my opinion it still misses the major features of a like system:

1) One-click liking/disliking
2) No limitation or moderation in clicking like
3) More than just like or dislike, could also include things like 'funny' or 'dumb':
http://i.imgur.com/mTN6wHB.png
4) Public display of who's been liked/disliked and by whom.

[FlyingJesus]

If it keeps a score it would definitely need limitation and moderation, public display would be nice but that's the only bonus it would have amongst destroying years of history at the whims of a minority

[AgnesIO]

In my opinion it still misses the major features of a like system:

1) One-click liking/disliking
2) No limitation or moderation in clicking like
3) More than just like or dislike, could also include things like 'funny' or 'dumb':
http://i.imgur.com/mTN6wHB.png
4) Public display of who's been liked/disliked and by whom.

These are the two options that I favour. Definitely wouldn't want number 3. I'd be happy with just "like", - "dislike" wouldn't be essential (maybe even unfavourable).

[Kyle]

Older members should not be able to control the rate at which reputation is gained, it should be something the community as a whole contribute equally to

Is rep count displayed now how many do I have peeps


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[scottish]

Yes there is, each tweet has a counter for amount of favourites/retweets and your profile has a count of favourites? Sure twitter doesn't say you've received x favourites in total' (although I'm sure an external party does) doesn't mean it's not a like system though.

I completely disagree, if I get favourited 3000 times I don't suddenly have a favourite power of 30

My point is the primary function is to put them in the favourites pile, not to act as a favourite system.

It puts them in a favourite pile, and shows others that you've 'favourited' that as well as showing how many people favourited it and who. Like system.

Yeah I mean back in the day, when graphics was hugely popular rep wasn't that common and comments were.

I think my point was those who repped tended to give some kind of explanation, those who posted generally gave generic comments or merely a rating. There was a period when me and a couple of others tried to keep a "must post constructively" rule because of this.
On the point of ripping though, -rep is a bit of a deterrent.

People typically gave an explanation in the thread than just -rep them a comment and not post though. Sure loads were generic GOOD WORK etc but there was always people who gave proper replies and didn't solely do it through -reps. That's long gone anyway and no-one uses -rep to give someone constructive feedback without posting.

Argue that with the forum managers and GM's, Wispur posted suggesting otherwise.

OK

Care to show some extremists views?

People's definitions of extremist is different, but let me see if I can find any on the forum and I'll vm them in a bit. In a general sense, you could argue it with say feminism and LGBT rights back in the day. Even now, some people probably disagree with say, gay marriage, but would be too afraid to voice their opinion.

I eagerly await a VM

There's multiple points, equal voice being one this being another. We've quoted each other so many times idk what the original point in this part of the quote relates to.

Did a rep count just get added lmao

Yes, is this about this point or just randomly idk


It was one part that was brought up in a previous thread regarding this, so I figured it deserved its place as obviously some do see it as confusing when they join.

Fair enough. I don't disagree that it might be to some, but as I said there will always be those who find something more confusing or offensive etc.

Sure, but something thats implemented in a range of places will typically be easier to follow (and you cant really not understand a 'like' button :P )


yes

[AgnesIO]

If it keeps a score it would definitely need limitation and moderation, public display would be nice but that's the only bonus it would have amongst destroying years of history at the whims of a minority

It really wouldn't.. if you only had likes, nobody is going to complain that somebody liked their post?

You wouldn't be destroying years of history, either. As the rep count would be transferred this would ensure history is kept - and is my only demand if changing to a like system.

[Richie]

Have you missed the multiple paragraphs by @dbgtz (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=28789); and @FlyingJesus (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24753); or something?


Try reading it's really fun

Tapatalk doesn't display coloured text so all I'm seeing is quote after quote, hence why I asked in a previous post what was the arguments for/against.

[AgnesIO]

Older members should not be able to control the rate at which reputation is gained, it should be something the community as a whole contribute equally to

Is rep count displayed now how many do I have peeps


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886 - in your post info.

And spot on with the top bit.

[The Don]

Older members should not be able to control the rate at which reputation is gained, it should be something the community as a whole contribute equally to

Is rep count displayed now how many do I have peeps


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885

[Chippiewill]

If it keeps a score it would definitely need limitation and moderation, public display would be nice but that's the only bonus it would have amongst destroying years of history at the whims of a minority

The former is actually dealt with by the latter. If someone's an ******** about who they like/dislike then they'll get swift justice from others.

[buttons]

Older members should not be able to control the rate at which reputation is gained, it should be something the community as a whole contribute equally to

Is rep count displayed now how many do I have peeps


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agreed and 886 but its your +rep count minus your -rep count

[FlyingJesus]

It really wouldn't.. if you only had likes, nobody is going to complain that somebody liked their post?

You wouldn't be destroying years of history, either. As the rep count would be transferred this would ensure history is kept - and is my only demand if changing to a like system.

No-one complains about getting +rep but it's still limited and moderated, if it wasn't then it would be open to massive abuse at the hands of certain people who like going through hundreds of pages of posts and ticking them all just because they can... the same would be the case with an open like system with a display of total likes


The former is actually dealt with by the latter. If someone's an ******** about who they like/dislike then they'll get swift justice from others.

That was also the idea with rep

[Kardan]

posting just to see what mine is

[AgnesIO]

And it obviously took him ages and was totes gruelling work... you're trying to argue points that have already been defeated, fact is that not only do most people want to keep the current system, but workarounds can be done with it (and obviously with some ease) in order to show the things you wanted and not take anything away from anyone

Still waiting to hear responses on why rep powers which favour point-building for new members and the community as a whole are a bad thing

Forgot to mention this bit last time..

Firstly, 29 people have voted.. 182 people have signed in over the past 24 hours. Secondly, more people want a like system or neither.

[Kyle]

I really wish there was an option for mobiles that displayed polls and all of the postbit it's really annoying not being able to see half the stuff

Is 886 high am I cool

[scottish]

Go on a computer to vote Kyle

or ill do it for you wink wink

[Richie]

Have you missed the multiple paragraphs by @dbgtz (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=28789); and @FlyingJesus (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24753); or something?


I really wish there was an option for mobiles that displayed polls and all of the postbit it's really annoying not being able to see half the stuff

Is 886 high am I cool


I know the feel pal

[FlyingJesus]

Firstly, 29 people have voted.. 182 people have signed in over the past 24 hours.

Which is one reason that community polls are a bad way of making decisions, especially big ones :P still remains true that the proposed changes have huge flaws which haven't been addressed properly though, and that's the bigger issue than the numbers at the top of the page

[AgnesIO]

I really wish there was an option for mobiles that displayed polls and all of the postbit it's really annoying not being able to see half the stuff

Is 886 high am I cool

Browser post? :P

I am 673 - others are nearer to a thousand, FJ is 2400.

[Kyle]

I don't own a computer I've given it up! The screen cracked

I've logged onto mobile site as locked view site and am now viewing in the superior no habbo dark version although it's clunky as hell but I shall vote in the poll now

i like the rep count now is there any need for rep power damn I have 81 notifications

[Chippiewill]

i like the rep count now is there any need for rep power damn I have 81 notifications
I would personally remove rep power now and relegate it to just the profile page, rep power is primarily a function of rep points nowadays and now that we have rep bars which display those properly the purpose of rep power is severely reduced.

[Richie]

Browser post? :P

I am 673 - others are nearer to a thousand, FJ is 2400.

That happens when you're part of a 'rep crew' in previous years, reppin' one another repeatedly to boost rep power :-)

[Kyle]

Okay so I voted the second option but notice I'm the only one to do so. I guess I misunderstood the phrasing but I don't want to reduce power, I want to remove it entirely and mould the current system into one akin to likes with less of the drawbacks of introducing an entirel new system


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[AgnesIO]

Which is one reason that community polls are a bad way of making decisions, especially big ones :P still remains true that the proposed changes have huge flaws which haven't been addressed properly though, and that's the bigger issue than the numbers at the top of the page

I can't see the huge flaws? But yeah, it would probably be best to have an official poll with two options (like vs rep) with a link to the advantages of both - although I think a like system would have few complaints IF rep count is transferred.

- The history issue is not existent - rep count is not removed, and that is the only true representation.

What were the other issues, and I'll check those too :)

[scottish]

idk I'm all for polls but can see the massive flaw in polls..

something major that's going to have an impact on the forum deserves discussion but it's effecting the forum managements ability to do their job (because they're constantly having to deal with pointless rep etc reports) then something obviously needs done, whether that's disable rep or remove the system and replace with a like system it's up to wispur.

[Kardan]

I wouldn't really like a like system.

If the forum were to switch to a rep system, then you should just start a fresh. No point converting total reps into likes, because they're measuring different things. We've all got around ~1000 rep over the years where you were limited on how much you could rep - with a like system, all you need to do is spam 'Like' on everyones posts and everyone shoots up. So if we do switch, it's best to reset it all imo.

[FlyingJesus]

That happens when you're part of a 'rep crew' in previous years, reppin' one another repeatedly to boost rep power :-)

That literally never happened lol (or else everyone I've ever liked would have the same rep) but definitely would with an unmoderated unlimited like system


Okay so I voted the second option but notice I'm the only one to do so. I guess I misunderstood the phrasing but I don't want to reduce power, I want to remove it entirely and mould the current system into one akin to likes with less of the drawbacks of introducing an entirel new system

I took that option to mean changing the rep power requirements like was done before


I can't see the huge flaws? But yeah, it would probably be best to have an official poll with two options (like vs rep) with a link to the advantages of both - although I think a like system would have few complaints IF rep count is transferred.

- The history issue is not existent - rep count is not removed, and that is the only true representation.

What were the other issues, and I'll check those too :)

Mostly the issue of it being massively open to abuse. If it's not limited then it would take what 20 minutes of someone's time to go through someone else's entire post history and like them all, turning it into a completely pointless system that means nothing other than "I have a friend". The opposite could also be done with extreme ease, and if people one member of management had such an issue with displaying minus reps on posts because it would look negative, imagine what a count of -15,000 would look like :P if it is limited and moderated, it's just the rep system as we have it except nuking rep power, which then makes it literally impossible for anyone to get anywhere near the higher levels

[The Don]

idk I'm all for polls but can see the massive flaw in polls..

something major that's going to have an impact on the forum deserves discussion but it's effecting the forum managements ability to do their job (because they're constantly having to deal with pointless rep etc reports) then something obviously needs done, whether that's disable rep or remove the system and replace with a like system it's up to wispur.

There's less active users now than ever meaning a lower workload.

[scottish]

There's less active users now than ever meaning a lower workload.

Not necessarily.

But even lower workload doesn't mean it's not too much for them to cope with other duties (especially as everyone's older = more responsibilities out with habbo(x) so less time to spend on habbo(x))

[MKR&*42]

Okay what is this rep count nonsense on my postbit?

someone direct me to a post in this thread (i assume was this thread) where it was discussed?

or has it been there longer than this evening...

[Chippiewill]

There's less active users now than ever meaning a lower workload.

Less active users means users are more ****** than ever.

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Okay what is this rep count nonsense on my postbit?

someone direct me to a post in this thread (i assume was this thread) where it was discussed?

or has it been there longer than this evening...

It's been there for about two months.

[Kyle]

Okay what is this rep count nonsense on my postbit?

someone direct me to a post in this thread (i assume was this thread) where it was discussed?

or has it been there longer than this evening...

It's been there forever what u on about what is the issue with it


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[MKR&*42]

Less active users means users are more ****** than ever.

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It's been there for about two months.

I HAVE A FEELING IM BEING TRICKED

im not fooling for this

...falling*

[Kardan]

It has literally been there for ages

[AgnesIO]

Okay what is this rep count nonsense on my postbit?

someone direct me to a post in this thread (i assume was this thread) where it was discussed?

or has it been there longer than this evening...

A) it has been there for months
B) It is effectively how a like system would look anyway. Works well, right?

[Inseriousity.]

I'm confused. The like system is apparently about being less negative but they also want a public display of who liked who? So if there's a debate and my posts are liked, it is telling everyone who disagrees with me who disagrees with them? Isn't this going to be a more negative system?

Personally, I like that rep isn't a one-click system. Makes it mean more if someone has to go to some effort to give it. On Facebook, it's all about fishing for likes. The rep system is more understated.

[MKR&*42]

I won't believe it. I will not stand for this.

I want a screenshot from before this date as proof ;l

[Ms.Aquamarine]

Okay what is this rep count nonsense on my postbit?

someone direct me to a post in this thread (i assume was this thread) where it was discussed?

or has it been there longer than this evening...

Yeah I've just noticed it too, how weird.

[The Don]

I'm confused. The like system is apparently about being less negative but they also want a public display of who liked who? So if there's a debate and my posts are liked, it is telling everyone who disagrees with me who disagrees with them? Isn't this going to be a more negative system?

Personally, I like that rep isn't a one-click system. Makes it mean more if someone has to go to some effort to give it. On Facebook, it's all about fishing for likes. The rep system is more understated.

What a well thought out response +Rep!

[MKR&*42]

Yeah I've just noticed it too, how weird.

Thanks Rosy you're nice unlike everyone else :l
Inseriousity.; you did well

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ISo if there's a debate and my posts are liked, it is telling everyone who disagrees with me who disagrees with them? Isn't this going to be a more negative system?

Exactly. The current system is pretty much private (unless you tell) anyway, and I can just imagine all the arguments to come from "omg how dare you like Xs post about me?!!"?"

[Richie]

I'm confused. The like system is apparently about being less negative but they also want a public display of who liked who? So if there's a debate and my posts are liked, it is telling everyone who disagrees with me who disagrees with them? Isn't this going to be a more negative system?

Personally, I like that rep isn't a one-click system. Makes it mean more if someone has to go to some effort to give it. On Facebook, it's all about fishing for likes. The rep system is more understated.


There's only one or two suggesting that, so a minority.

[AgnesIO]

I won't believe it. I will not stand for this.

I want a screenshot from before this date as proof ;l

http://i60.tinypic.com/14tjsk.png

It really isn't new...

You and Aquamarine are slow..

[Kyle]

I won't believe it. I will not stand for this.

I want a screenshot from before this date as proof ;l

Here it is back in 2008 when they introduced it
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/11/baeba7563f026a50a5d9b81c77d82f9c.jpg
Thx buttons for the rep


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[MKR&*42]

Payasam I will get Nick Clegg on you.

OT; IT'S NEW

[AgnesIO]

Payasam I will get Nick Clegg on you.

OT; IT'S NEW

I don't want a puppy, thank you ;l

[MKR&*42]

http://i60.tinypic.com/14tjsk.png

It really isn't new...

You and Aquamarine are slow..


Here it is back in 2008 when they introduced it
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/11/baeba7563f026a50a5d9b81c77d82f9c.jpg
Thx buttons for the rep


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I knew someone would do that :l

[AgnesIO]

I knew someone would do that :l

just saying, view my whole image - even edited the date and time on my laptop - top marks here.

[Kyle]

I've just counted my reps and realised I have been -repped almost 300 times


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[scottish]

I've just counted my reps and realised I have been -repped almost 300 times


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liar 886

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1622
i've 124 pages, 15 reps on each = 1860 - 1622
roughly 238 -reps

[AgnesIO]

liar 886

I think you are joking, but...; it is total reps - minus reps :L

[scottish]

oh he said -rep nevermind.

[MKR&*42]

just saying, view my whole image - even edited the date and time on my laptop - top marks here.

I actually checked your time first time round and still thought it was correct oh my.

[Kyle]

liar 886

15 per page 78 pages of rep 886 displayed

15x78=1170
- 886
284

Not sure how accurate that is perhaps people with 0 power don't count as +1 I don't know I was a pretty horrible person


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[scottish]

i'm 66 pages of 15 rep so 990 reps, 844 count so 146 -reps
Chippiewill; is a neutral rep counted as -1, 0 or 1

[Kyle]

So 25% of my reps are negative oh my I may harm myself


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[buttons]

it used to be 0 and come up grey but looking back at old neutral ones they're red now

loool kyle. most my -reps are from my first year here. i was so ******* annoying!!!!!

[AgnesIO]

it used to be 0 and come up grey but looking back at old neutral ones they're red now

loool kyle. most my -reps are from my first year here. i was so ******* annoying!!!!!

woo high five, same here

[scottish]

it used to be 0 and come up grey but looking back at old neutral ones they're red now

loool kyle. most my -reps are from my first year here. i was so ******* annoying!!!!!

i mean in the count

[Richie]

So 25% of my reps are negative oh my I may harm myself


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9.72% for me

brandon; -rep'd me for spelling sandwich wrong lmao

[Kyle]

it used to be 0 and come up grey but looking back at old neutral ones they're red now

loool kyle. most my -reps are from my first year here. i was so ******* annoying!!!!!

Mine aren't red

Shoutout e5; back when our rivalry was strong and we were unbroken

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[AgnesIO]

32% of my reps are negative. Love you all.

[buttons]

they used to be red, they've gone back to grey for me now. this is the best -rep i've ever received.
http://i.imgur.com/3fn0WUh.jpg?1

[scottish]

who was it tell me on skype

all my -reps are pointless or revenge prob

[AgnesIO]

"don't be rude and don't be a hypocrite, pfft, calling me a noob, take a good long look in the mirror matey ~ Kyle Please leave your name when you rep me, out of respect, because I can see who reps me anyway.." - cheers Kyle you stupid noob

[Kyle]

they used to be red, they've gone back to grey for me now. this is the best -rep i've ever received.
http://i.imgur.com/3fn0WUh.jpg?1

Lmfao why have you scribbles the name out was it from Scott

I'm meant to be sleepin but now I'm scrolling throug all my -reps and looking at the posts on my I have one from Leah and have found a brilliant post by multiple car and home owner metric on what would seem like a rather eventful New Year's Eve circa 2008!

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=5469797#post5469797

Jeez spam really WAS hostile back then, huh?

Now that we have rep displays on posts can we work towards getting te power element removed


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[scottish]

Lmfao why have you scribbles the name out was it from Scott

I'm meant to be sleepin but now I'm scrolling throug all my -reps and looking at the posts on my I have one from Leah and have found a brilliant post by multiple car and home owner metric on what would seem like a rather eventful New Year's Eve circa 2008!

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=5469797#post5469797

Jeez spam really WAS hostile back then, huh?

Now that we have rep displays on posts can we work towards getting te power element removed


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scottish is a lot longer than that :P

[xxMATTGxx]

This was my first rep comment lmfao

http://mattgarner.net/uploads/2015-01-11_22-43-11.png

[scottish]

What's your views on the reputation system vs the like system xxMATTGxx;?

[xxMATTGxx]

Always liked the upvote/like system found on various other places.

[AgnesIO]

Always liked the upvote/like system found on various other places.

MAKE YOUR VOTE

[xxMATTGxx]

MAKE YOUR VOTE

Yes boss;

I voted "Other" because either of the following:

Like System - Start fresh!
Like System - Convert existing reps into likes (1 + rep = 1 like)

Although I know this place doesn't really do well with "major" changes and we will probably never see it.

[Kyle]

scottish is a lot longer than that :P
Not from what I've heard

This was my first rep comment lmfao

http://mattgarner.net/uploads/2015-01-11_22-43-11.png

Didn't know skynus used the forum in 2005


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[AgnesIO]

Yes boss;

I voted "Other" because either of the following:

Like System - Start fresh!
Like System - Convert existing reps into likes (1 + rep = 1 like)

Although I know this place doesn't really do well with "major" changes and we will probably never see it.

Just make the change lol. There are literally zero valid flaws thus far (if rep count is transferred).

[xxMATTGxx]

Not from what I've heard


Didn't know skynus used the forum in 2005


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Hahaha, he probably does feel like that about me :(

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Just make the change lol. There are literally zero valid flaws thus far (if rep count is transferred).

Okay we will make the change and switch to vBulletin 5 at the same time and watch the feedback threads.

[Kyle]

There is the flAw of stopping discussion when people feel that a "like" displayed on a post is sufficient contribution.


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[scottish]

Same point goes for rep. With rep you can leave a comment as well so arguably even more so with rep?

[FlyingJesus]

If it's not limited then it would take what 20 minutes of someone's time to go through someone else's entire post history and like them all, turning it into a completely pointless system that means nothing other than "I have a friend". The opposite could also be done with extreme ease, and if people one member of management had such an issue with displaying minus reps on posts because it would look negative, imagine what a count of -15,000 would look like :P if it is limited and moderated, it's just the rep system as we have it except nuking rep power, which then makes it literally impossible for anyone to get anywhere near the higher levels

Still waiting to hear any actual response to the fact that switching the system would either make it open to huge amounts of very easy abuse or else increase the supposed "unfairness"

[Kyle]

Same point goes for rep. With rep you can leave a comment as well so arguably even more so with rep?

Nope since name is only displayed privately so contribution is not seen and people have to work harder to join in


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[AgnesIO]

Hahaha, he probably does feel like that about me :(

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Okay we will make the change and switch to vBulletin 5 at the same time and watch the feedback threads.

Cool, look forward to it.

[buttons]

Nope since name is only displayed privately so contribution is not seen and people have to work harder to join in


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but we're all scary meanies so no one would ever join in? :(

[Kyle]

but we're all scary meanies so no one would ever join in? :(

Well now that u say that I feel that displaying the names of people who like posts could be a way to transition from lurking to posting. But ultimately it causes more problems like targeting and fear of liking in case of backlash

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[scottish]

Still waiting to hear any actual response to the fact that switching the system would either make it open to huge amounts of very easy abuse or else increase the supposed "unfairness"

because you answered yourself in your post.

1) if its obviously abused, admin can remove it
2) if its abused loads by dif ppl, add a limit
3) what unfairness is that?

[FlyingJesus]

1) if its obviously abused, admin can remove it

That's moderation


2) if its abused loads by dif ppl, add a limit

That's limiting, and those two add up to:


3) what unfairness is that?


if it is limited and moderated, it's just the rep system as we have it except nuking rep power, which then makes it literally impossible for anyone to get anywhere near the higher levels

It's all in the post.

[AgnesIO]

That's moderation



That's limiting, and those two add up to:





It's all in the post.

It seems literally impossible for anyone to ever get near your rep power.. or even mine, to be honest. As whilst another user may grow quickly (let's say ten a year), that still means five years of this forum going at its current rate - or 11 years to get to yours..

That isn't fair.

[dbgtz]

close the forum and make /r/habbox

[buttons]

close the forum and make /r/habbox
make one anyway

[The Don]

It seems literally impossible for anyone to ever get near your rep power.. or even mine, to be honest. As whilst another user may grow quickly (let's say ten a year), that still means five years of this forum going at its current rate - or 11 years to get to yours..

That isn't fair.

Why is it fair that someone whose been here 10 years has the same as someone that's been here one year?

[Yupt]

I'm sorry but i'm not reading 20 pages worth of feedback to see if anything similar has been suggested/said.. is there a way to incorporate both? Rep won from winning things and such, likes for posting around the forum.

[FlyingJesus]

It seems literally impossible for anyone to ever get near your rep power.. or even mine, to be honest. As whilst another user may grow quickly (let's say ten a year), that still means five years of this forum going at its current rate - or 11 years to get to yours..

That isn't fair.

Not even close to being as impossible as it is to get quickly from 1 to 2400 without anyone abusing the system :P right now it would potentially only take 350 reps for someone to have the same amount as me

[scottish]

That's moderation

It's moderation for how rare it would happen, and if the same people keep doing it, block them from using the system.

That's limiting, and those two add up to:

Congratulations?

if it is limited and moderated, it's just the rep system as we have it except nuking rep power, which then makes it literally impossible for anyone to get anywhere near the higher levels

It's nothing like rep. Rep isn't one click, rep doesn't publicly display your name as liking or disliking the post. There's plenty of other options depending on the system used (such as having 'fun', 'spelling', etc) so it's more than just you like this or don't, etc.

It's not meant to make someone who comes on tomorrow to be able to over take you? If you convert your rep to likes (would depend on majority wanting to do it, rather than starting fresh), you'd have 2441 likes.

You'd have no 'power' higher than anyone else, so sure you may have more likes than someone who joins tomorrow (and obviously should do, everyone whos been here for years should do) but your 'power' would be the same as theirs.

I assume your point for unfairness is the fact that it would take a while to get 2400 likes? It's even more so to get 104 rep power.

It's all in the post.
okay

[dbgtz]

make one anyway

did it gd fun


I'm sorry but i'm not reading 20 pages worth of feedback to see if anything similar has been suggested/said.. is there a way to incorporate both? Rep won from winning things and such, likes for posting around the forum.

Might as well get tokens as rep would be even more meaningless

[scottish]

did it gd fun



Might as well get tokens as rep would be even more meaningless

tokens should be given anyway but that system failed

but yes i disagree with having both on, it just makes one useless

[AgnesIO]

Why is it fair that someone whose been here 10 years has the same as someone that's been here one year?

Perfectly fair if they make enough good contributions to deserve it, which is why I am insisting on transferring rep COUNT.


Not even close to being as impossible as it is to get quickly from 1 to 2400 without anyone abusing the system :P right now it would potentially only take 350 reps for someone to have the same amount as me

350 from you... :P Which, allowing for the 7 day limit would take... 6.7 years :P

[dbgtz]

tokens should be given anyway but that system failed

but yes i disagree with having both on, it just makes one useless

Aye. To me, tokens was meant to be an outright replacement so people could save up for good prizes rather than consistently getting little bits of furni. Now you can't even get credits.

[FlyingJesus]

I assume your point for unfairness is the fact that it would take a while to get 2400 likes? It's even more so to get 104 rep power.

No it isn't. Simple maths. (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=819142&p=8312477#post8312477) And it is like rep if it's a totalled up score of how many times someone has liked your post - which is why it would need moderation and limiting, just like rep. The only way for that to not be necessary is if a total score isn't tallied, which then amounts to completely removing everything we currently have. It simply makes no sense

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350 from you... :P Which, allowing for the 7 day limit would take... 6.7 years :P

As opposed to the nearly 9 years it's taken to get 2400 with an active forum

[scottish]

Aye. To me, tokens was meant to be an outright replacement so people could save up for good prizes rather than consistently getting little bits of furni. Now you can't even get credits.

yeah I think that's the way it was meant to be implemented, but it was half assed so it failed

similar to achievements system it failed due to half ass implementation imho

[Kyle]

Total score is only a display, it wouldn't have any sway whatsoever. It means that if I get repped by 20 random people with 3 rep points and someone else gets repped by me, i get +20 and they get +1 opposed to me gettin +60 and them getting +50 odd. Current system presumes that highly repped users have more power over large groups of users with few reps. Each persons ability to contribute to anothers reputation should be equal so that reputation displayed is more accurate. I would say that the rep display in te post count currently does that. Why do we need a like system again lol

The fact that old users have a high reputation is FINE. They have earned it. The issue arises when that reputation gives them unnecessary power to control the reputation of others.

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[AgnesIO]

No it isn't. Simple maths. (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=819142&p=8312477#post8312477) And it is like rep if it's a totalled up score of how many times someone has liked your post - which is why it would need moderation and limiting, just like rep. The only way for that to not be necessary is if a total score isn't tallied, which then amounts to completely removing everything we currently have. It simply makes no sense

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As opposed to the nearly 9 years it's taken to get 2400 with an active forum

This is assuming it is only you that reps them... which it wouldn't be. The chance of you repping them 350 times is virtually zero - so it would actually take dramatically longer.. And then, of course, your rep would have also become even higher meaning they are actually no better off than before.

And Kyle has also explained it very well - that is the key issue here.

[scottish]

No it isn't. Simple maths. (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=819142&p=8312477#post8312477) And it is like rep if it's a totalled up score of how many times someone has liked your post - which is why it would need moderation and limiting, just like rep. The only way for that to not be necessary is if a total score isn't tallied, which then amounts to completely removing everything we currently have. It simply makes no sense

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As opposed to the nearly 9 years it's taken to get 2400 with an active forum

And as pointed out it would take 7 years to do that.

Well it's not, as it's not as black and white as a 'like' depending on the system as I stated, see Chippies posted earlier in the thread for the full list of options available to 'vote'.

Yes it may need moderation but nowhere on par with the current system where rep (by the looks of it and based on replies by GM) seems to be a major part of their workload atm.

Also worth noting, if you and someone who likes you were to sit and exchange rep weekly, that would go unnoticed where as if you were to spam likes on each other, members could pick that up fairly quickly so even those who do abuse in this system may be a lot easier to see in the new system. (and if you go up a stupid amount of likes, let's not pretend there aren't people sad enough to go through every post and find out if their suspicion is true).

[Chippiewill]

i'm 66 pages of 15 rep so 990 reps, 844 count so 146 -reps
Chippiewill; is a neutral rep counted as -1, 0 or 1

0 because neutral reps aren't common anymore now that you start with rep power. The only time you really get neutral rep is when it's manually set to 0.

[The Don]

And as pointed out it would take 7 years to do that.

Well it's not, as it's not as black and white as a 'like' depending on the system as I stated, see Chippies posted earlier in the thread for the full list of options available to 'vote'.

Yes it may need moderation but nowhere on par with the current system where rep (by the looks of it and based on replies by GM) seems to be a major part of their workload atm.

Also worth noting, if you and someone who likes you were to sit and exchange rep weekly, that would go unnoticed where as if you were to spam likes on each other, members could pick that up fairly quickly so even those who do abuse in this system may be a lot easier to see in the new system. (and if you go up a stupid amount of likes, let's not pretend there aren't people sad enough to go through every post and find out if their suspicion is true).

I'm pretty sure a large amount of people wouldn't want their name on display in a like system which renders your bottom point redundant.

[MKR&*42]

0 because neutral reps aren't common anymore now that you start with rep power. The only time you really get neutral rep is when it's manually set to 0.

If you got -repped enough you'd reach 0 power wouldn't you? :P

[Richie]

If you got -repped enough you'd reach 0 power wouldn't you? :P


I'd imagine its capped at a starting point

[AgnesIO]

I'm pretty sure a large amount of people wouldn't want their name on display in a like system which renders your bottom point redundant.

You really think people would be worried about that? I'd gladly have my reps show publicly.

[scottish]

I'm pretty sure a large amount of people wouldn't want their name on display in a like system which renders your bottom point redundant.

erm one of the major points in every 'like' system is publicly displaying name, so i'd argue a small amount may but that would be down to votes if the system were implemented.

There would be various different things to be decided if a like system was implemented.

so no, it doesn't

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If you got -repped enough you'd reach 0 power wouldn't you? :P

yes you would.

[Kyle]

0 because neutral reps aren't common anymore now that you start with rep power. The only time you really get neutral rep is when it's manually set to 0.

Can you set neutrals to +1 I want to feel better about myself and strongy believe at least half of my missin rep is neutral and not -rep


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[scottish]

Can you set neutrals to +1 I want to feel better about myself and strongy believe at least half of my missin rep is neutral and not -rep


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make it -50 points

[David]

If you got -repped enough you'd reach 0 power wouldn't you? :P

would that affect power added from post count/join date?

[MKR&*42]

would that affect power added from post count/join date?

I assumed it would, maybe not? :P

[Kyle]

would that affect power added from post count/join date?

If you're -repped 800 points and have been a member 2 years then yh it would theoretically be 0


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[AgnesIO]

If you're -repped 800 points and have been a member 2 years then yh it would theoretically be 0


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Would it not be 1? You start on 1 rep power, not 0.

But yeah, your point stands but I thnk it would have to be -1200. So FJ minus repp you 12 times in 156 weeks.

[Kyle]

Would it not be 1? You start on 1 rep power, not 0.

How times have changed! There I was defending noobs for not having enough chances to gain rep and I find out they start with 1 more rep power than I did. What a farce.


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[AgnesIO]

How times have changed! There I was defending noobs for not having enough chances to gain rep and I find out they start with 1 more rep power than I did. What a farce.


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Down with new members ;l Treble all users rep power who have been here for 5 years plus.

[FlyingJesus]

Only being a display isn't a reason to just go ahead with it. Post count is only a display, but however many people respond with WELL THAT'S JUST SAD!! it's something that matters to a lot of people, and something that conveys a level of worth.

Saying that by the time someone else got lots of rep I'd have more is a totally void argument since that clearly still holds true with a like system, and as shown the disparity is even greater with such a system, without the chance for them to rise quicker by having older members' support. I don't see how it is difficult to see that it's far easier for newer members to go up in the ranks when other people can boost them properly as opposed to everything going in increments of 1 forever and forcing system abuse for anything to ever change.

There's absolutely no reason to assume that likes would need less moderation than rep (you're just pulling that out of thin air) and in fact considering it would be so easy to abuse it it's reasonable to assume that the opposite would be true. Not considering certain reps as "pointless" would stop that entire issue, and again you could then just say that anyone using the system to openly bully people could be dealt with on an individual basis. Very easy fix, no need to install a new system for it or take anything away other than the report rep thread.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I prefer the reputation system by far, and no reductions in rep power either.

Don't tinker with what isn't broken, ie the Awards with badges with that other system that was then scrapped.

[Brad]

New users rep is jumping up just as quick. bikini; joined a year ago and already has 12 Rep Power.

I think I've earned the 12 rep power. And I was at like 7/8 before the Christmas thread so it didn't really go up that much.

[e5]

Mine aren't red

Shoutout @e5 (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=30040); back when our rivalry was strong and we were unbroken

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I mi have you -4 at the bottom one too ha! That was ages ago, I don't even remember :o