debates

[Chippiewill]

I'm confused, you can be fired from RV manager for being away for a week but not fired from debates leader for doing literally nothing for two months.

[scottish]

time to scrap debates leader position

or introduce an arcade manager position and get a new debate leader

[Chippiewill]

or introduce an arcade manager position
a) They're never gonna let you be arcade manager
b) No one else would be good at it

[Empired]

time to scrap debates leader position

or introduce an arcade manager position and get a new debate leader
yes plz

what's the point in a debates leader though

[Lewis]

time to scrap debates leader position

or introduce an arcade manager position and get a new debate leader

agreed

the arcade manager doesn't even need admin and it's a more needed role than debates leader

[Empired]

agreed

the arcade manager doesn't even need admin and it's a more needed role than debates leader
yeah it's not like they'd need access to anything

to be honest it would just be nice to have a person who hosts official tournaments every 6 weeks or so and can give out proper prizes to the winners

[scottish]

indeed, can continue the 'FM's can do that' side of the debate.. but evidently not :P

[Kyle]

I would much prefer some actual structure and proper guidelines within the debates and perhaps, as lrhyss suggested in the past, some kind of integration within habbo itself. people don't like the debates section because it's scary and hostile, I really hope that can change in the future, not enough people on here are confident enough to have a rational argument.

just base debates off current affairs and questions that are being discussed in the moment by the general population, not government and politics or proposal of policy which is what they're usually about.

if you want to be the arcade manager just make an external habbox arcade and show everybody how great you are

[FlyingJesus]

I'd rather have a few staff who fulfil their roles fully and enthusiastically than 50 staff doing one part of a role each and having to rely on them all to be communicative for anything to work. I don't know exactly when it was decided that FM and AFM are no longer meant to be anything other than a big version of moderator but it's about time the GM team remembered that they're supposed to be able to rely on their managers to want to do their jobs

[Nick]

agreed

the arcade manager doesn't even need admin and it's a more needed role than debates leader

Yes they would, they would need admin + ftp access

I don't like doing debates, I think Phil and Dan were talking about reviving it some how but I have no clue what so ever

[Lewis]

Yes they would, they would need admin + ftp access

I don't like doing debates, I think Phil and Dan were talking about reviving it some how but I have no clue what so ever

no they wouldn't?

they don't have to be in charge of manually adding games or whatever, just a dedicated role to ensure that there are actual arcade tournaments done on a regular basis like scottish did without admin, instead of a one-off thing done by someone who is not dedicated to the role.

and maybe even finding some new games to get those with admin to add, and whatever else

[Chippiewill]

There's really no point to official debates other than offering prizes. Member debates have been generally more popular because they're more diverse. All of dan's debates fall into 2 categories:

- Debates with a loaded premise which only serves as yet another vehicle for Dan's political agenda
- Pointless fluff you can't even have a debate about so that Dan isn't being so blatant about the political agenda bit.

[David]

Yes they would, they would need admin + ftp access

I don't like doing debates, I think Phil and Dan were talking about reviving it some how but I have no clue what so ever

replacing dan would be job 1

and the arcade manager wouldn't need anything, they'd wait in line patiently for the only guy who has any access at all to do it for him

[Nick]

no they wouldn't?

they don't have to be in charge of manually adding games or whatever, just a dedicated role to ensure that there are actual arcade tournaments done on a regular basis like scottish did without admin, instead of a one-off thing done by someone who is not dedicated to the role.

and maybe even finding some new games to get those with admin to add, and whatever else

That could work but eventually you don't want to wait & wait for things to get done so you want to do it yourself. There is no point in even introducing the role itself if you are going to have no perms, what are you going to do in the staff forum and anyone can do it without a bit of text in their user title


There's really no point to official debates other than offering prizes. Member debates have been generally more popular because they're more diverse. All of dan's debates fall into 2 categories:

- Debates with a loaded premise which only serves as yet another vehicle for Dan's political agenda
- Pointless fluff you can't even have a debate about so that Dan isn't being so blatant about the political agenda bit.

1 of the major reasons why I don't like debates is because of the politic stuff. I hate it

[Kyle]

That could work but eventually you don't want to wait & wait for things to get done so you want to do it yourself. There is no point in even introducing the role itself if you are going to have no perms, what are you going to do in the staff forum and anyone can do it without a bit of text in their user title



1 of the major reasons why I don't like debates is because of the politic stuff. I hate it
what kind of debates would you participate in

[Lewis]

That could work but eventually you don't want to wait & wait for things to get done so you want to do it yourself. There is no point in even introducing the role itself if you are going to have no perms, what are you going to do in the staff forum and anyone can do it without a bit of text in their user title



1 of the major reasons why I don't like debates is because of the politic stuff. I hate it

anyone can host events advertising habbox as well without a bit of text in their user title, but the role exists :P

[Nick]

what kind of debates would you participate in

I can't really place one on the tip of my tongue right now ;l but politics do not intrest me what so ever

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anyone can host events advertising habbox as well without a bit of text to their title as well, but the role exists :P

go ahead then?

[Lewis]

I can't really place one on the tip of my tongue right now ;l but politics do not intrest me what so ever

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go ahead then?

I think you're missing the point

that wasn't an actual invitation for me to start hosting events for habbox at my own will...

[Nick]

I think you're missing the point

that wasn't an actual invitation for me to start hosting events for habbox at my own will...

Well no one is stopping you really. habbox needs more events. No one is stopping you from hosting arcade tournaments and suggesting more games for admins to add but its just not going to be an official role.

[FlyingJesus]

Debates and the arcade run themselves, they do not require managers


There are 3 monthly official debates that are posted throughout the month.
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All these debates will run for 3 weeks.

2 "official" debates currently open, both from November so should have been closed weeks and weeks ago. One has 7 replies, the other 12. There has not been a debate winner announced since 2013, and realistically my point from 2008 still stands with regards to the (lack of) need for a debates forum:


it's flawed in that we have "discuss anything" and the world/politics/religion area for open debate issues.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Both me and Phil have been talking about refreshing the role and hopefully adding something to it with new awards applied elsewhere outside of the Debates forum. It'll be announced + sorted before the month is out, don't worry: we just didn't consider it high priority over Christmas and New Year.

[Chippiewill]

we just didn't consider it high priority over Christmas and New Year.
New Year was basically a month ago. How bloody hard is it to post a thread whilst you're coming up with an idea. You seem to manage pretty well with the current affairs forum.

[-:Undertaker:-]

New Year was basically a month ago. How bloody hard is it to post a thread whilst you're coming up with an idea. You seem to manage pretty well with the current affairs forum.

I'll put some up then, had been wanting to use new awards though as a carrot and stick approach.

[Kardan]

I'm sure he'll get fired when Debates Week happens around the next exam period.

[scottish]

Should have been fired long ago from Debates.

[-:Undertaker:-]

New Year was basically a month ago. How bloody hard is it to post a thread whilst you're coming up with an idea. You seem to manage pretty well with the current affairs forum.

Current Affairs is hopefully going to be part of the role as i've always viewed it as informally part of the role anyway hence the posts. More so for bigger events like Elections (British, America) it'll hopefully include more rewards/prizes/comps. It's all been under discussion anyway including new Awards for across the forum.


Should have been fired long ago from Debates.

I'll admit been slacking in Debates since the autumn but other things have been put first.

We haven't forgot about it though as there's been ideas put forward and PMs exchanged. End of January was specified as when it would be changed around.

[Grig]

Don't scrap the position, and no bias intended. It has a lot of potential if it is revamped a little bit and debates and current affairs is one way of doing so. I scrapped structure of bi-weekly debates before I left a while back and it worked out and Dan did a great job at first and then it became a bit to loose (not necessarily Dan's fault, there needed to be further ideas for revamps in the first place), as well as having not enough advertising or incentives to promote/ participate, with some debates ending up dead and running too long.

Anyway, as I have said, this debates and current affairs idea is interesting and it could mean that it could be less structured, but at the same time give incentives to win prizes (VIP etc.), as well as hopefully get more people to talk about and participate in current affairs. I also allowed Habbo debates, well there was only one that I did, as it fills a much younger demographic and I see no harm in debating an interesting or contentious on-client issue, as long as it's not been overdone.

[Kyle]

Bringing current affairs closer to the debates forum will only diminish what little temptation there is to participate in official debates at the moment.


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[FlyingJesus]

What's the "new" awards idea I thought that was always meant to have been part of the role/forum from the very start

[-:Undertaker:-]

What's the "new" awards idea I thought that was always meant to have been part of the role/forum from the very start

Handing out different awards for different posts not only just in Official Debates but around the forum too, rather than just one award for posts solely in the Debates Forum. I always think Debates tend to take off better (like in Current Affairs or Discuss Anything - or even Spam) spontaneously and by mistake rather than structured in the Debates Forum: and it'd be good to recognise that. It's worth a shot anyway and see what happens.


Bringing current affairs closer to the debates forum will only diminish what little temptation there is to participate in official debates at the moment.

A part of the problem though, as above, is often Debates/good argument or discussions on the forum can take place elsewhere across the forum other than in the designated forum and hopefully we can make the role into something that is more forum-wide rather than just confining it to that one forum.

A lot of the debates/in-depth discussions that arise in Current Affairs completely by mistake are one example.

[Kyle]

The trouble with the lack of structure in ither forums is that there is no incentive to defend a point as a whole rationally and so disagreements spiral into selective single sentence quoting and rather than well constructed and coherent argument we all too often see people lose sight of the discussion by attacking words rather than the point they try to make.

Current affairs should certainly be part of debating on the forum but it needs to be realised that current affairs extend far beyond politics and that the more widely relatable a topic is (something based on sexuality or gender for example on this particular forum) the better it is going to be received. If you post about a general election you're going to get a maximum of five to six people debating whereas if you create a debate about habbo or music or fashion or any other "low culture" topic, because of the nature of this forum and the interests of its members, those debates will be more well received. Try not to use debates as a platform for pushing political agendas or getting the apathetic generation interested -- they just won't bite. Cater to the people and they will hopefully become more involved.


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