NHS privatisation claims: Labour caught out

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http://order-order.com/2015/01/28/watch-angry-burnhams-newsnight-nightmare/

Andy Burnhams NewsNight Nightmare


Andy Burnham’s car crash with Newsnight’s Kirsty Wark is well worth a watch:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1422327029&v=TIrdyYe4r1E&x-yt-cl=84838260


A very tetchy Shadow Health Secretary began the interview by admitting “there is a role for the private sector”, then piled into the Tories for putting “all services” at the hands of the market. As Kirsty politely pointed out, only 6% of NHS services have been outsourced to the private sector, and the vast majority of that was done by Burnham’s Labour government:


https://orderorder.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/screen-shot-2015-01-27-at-23-40-59.png?w=480&h=309


When Wark asked for “a straight answer” on how much Labour would allow to be outsourced – “a number, a number please” – Burnham refused, saying: “I’m not going to put a number on it” and that responsibility for this was at local level. The Tory outsourcing so aggressively decried by Burnham is just 1.5% more than he implemented, and he won’t even commit to reducing it.

Perhaps Burnham’s bad mood was something to do with this morning’s front pages, which report Labour figures have responded to his big speech yesterday by laying into the party’s NHS strategy.

As Miliband centres Labour’s election campaign on the NHS, public satisfaction is at an all time high…

Well this is quite funny, and it would be interesting to see what people who vote Labour on here think too. Frankly, i'm not even opposed myself to outsourcing in the healthservice but i'm sick of Labour going on and on and on about Tory or sometimes Ukip wanting to 'privatise' the NHS when that's exactly what they did with parts of it when they were in office. You sack of dishonest liars.

WHY would you even go along with this fairytale when it's so see-through?


The bloke doesn't believe his own words. He's faking it.

He knows outsourcing is the only way to deliver efficient outcomes and to bring down waiting times for operations, but he's locked into Labour's 'NHS is God' policy straitjacket.

I doubt there'll be a more revealing debate than that in the next 100 days.....all we will be bombarded with still be **** about x billions invested, x000s nurses and doctors etc. Meaningless stats.


'I've launched a policy to put the patient at the centre of care'

This is new?

What the **** has the NHS been doing for the last 70-odd years then?

Thoughts?

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Somewhat relevant, but why do you even advocate privitisation of the health service? When we have an efficient service which is one of the worlds best (http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014/06/16/u-s-healthcare-ranked-dead-last-compared-to-10-other-countries/), compared to say the USA which is lagging for a first would country, has greater government spending on healthcare than the UK does (http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jun/30/healthcare-spending-world-country) with the individuals topping up the rest. Please provide sources and not ideological nonsense.

Onto the actual article, I'd like to think it's pretty common knowledge now that New Labour were the ones to start privitisation of the NHS, along with a few other things. Whilst I wouldn't ever vote Labour because it's a messy party, I believe Miliband dropped the whole "New Labour" so it will be interesting to see, should they get in power, if it was merely a rebrand or if he actually has gone back to the party's roots. Hopefully I never have to find out.

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Somewhat relevant, but why do you even advocate privitisation of the health service? When we have an efficient service which is one of the worlds best (http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014/06/16/u-s-healthcare-ranked-dead-last-compared-to-10-other-countries/), compared to say the USA which is lagging for a first would country, has greater government spending on healthcare than the UK does (http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jun/30/healthcare-spending-world-country) with the individuals topping up the rest. Please provide sources and not ideological nonsense.

We've had this debate before over and over again, and the same studies from the Guardian are posted over and over again.

And part of my reasoning is fundamentally ideological: that you shouldn't be forced to pay for a service you don't want. I wouldn't privatise the NHS because it's so - strangely - popular which makes it politically impossible to do. I would though introduce an opt-out for people to opt-out of the NHS. That seems fair to me.

I wouldn't read too much into those studies either, as statistics can be very misleading/things can be categorised in many different ways (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcGe3sVhMeU) (US healthcare 'crisis').


Onto the actual article, I'd like to think it's pretty common knowledge now that New Labour were the ones to start privitisation of the NHS, along with a few other things. Whilst I wouldn't ever vote Labour because it's a messy party, I believe Miliband dropped the whole "New Labour" so it will be interesting to see, should they get in power, if it was merely a rebrand or if he actually has gone back to the party's roots. Hopefully I never have to find out.

Healthcare across the world is going this way though, although of course Labour are hypocrites for pretending they did otherwise.