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-:Undertaker:-
08-02-2015, 03:04 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2944283/Charles-tells-UK-Muslims-abide-values-Prince-says-come-live-Britain-respect-us.html

Prince Charles tells UK Muslims to abide by our values: Prince says if you come to live in Britain you must respect us

- Charles denounced the radicalisation of young Britons by Islamic fanatics
- He said they should show more respect to 'the values we hold dear'
- Comments were made as he started a six-day tour of the Middle East
- He will tell new Saudi king to show clemency to Saudi blogger Raif Badawi
- Sentence of 1,000 lashes and ten years in jail caused international outrage
- Prince last night arrived in Jordan, where he will meet King Abdullah II


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Future King: Charles


Prince Charles risked provoking a new political and religious storm yesterday when he said Muslims living in the UK should follow British values.

In a staunch defence of Britain's 'Christian standpoint,' he denounced the radicalisation of young Britons by Islamic fanatics and said they should show more respect to 'the values we hold dear'.

People who had 'come here, were born here or go to school here' should 'abide by our values,' he said. His comments were made as he started a six-day tour of the Middle East, seen as another stage in assuming more of the Queen's international duties.

It is a clear response to critics who say he should not meddle in sensitive political matters. The Prince will also challenge Arab leaders head-on during the trip. The Mail on Sunday can disclose that he is to tell new Saudi king Salman bin Abdulaziz al Saud to his face that he should stop the 1,000 lashes handed down as punishment to Saudi blogger Raif Badawi for comments which the regime claimed were critical of Islam.


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Comments by Prince Charles can be seen as an attack on multiculturalism which has led to ghettoisation in British society


Prince Charles last night called for a halt to the persecution of Christians by Islamic State and other militant Islamic groups, telling them bluntly: 'We were in the Middle East before you.'

And he killed off speculation that when he becomes King he will give up the Monarch's traditional 'defender of the faith' role in favour of a multicultural 'defender of faiths' title.

His renewed 'defender of the faith' pledge will be seen by some as a U-turn and a signal that the Monarch's role as the head of the Church of England is far from over.

The Prince's intervention comes hard on the heels of a new book which claims the Queen is worried that her heir plans to be an 'activist king'. The Prince's comments on Islam and Christianity are broadcast in an interview with BBC Radio 2's The Sunday Hour this morning, suggesting he plans to be very active.

'The radicalisation of people in Britain is a great worry, and the extent to which this is happening is alarming, particularly in a country like ours where we hold values dear,' he says. 'You would think the people who have come here, or are born here, and go to school here, would abide by those values and outlooks.'

It was 'frightening' that young British Muslims were radicalised by 'crazy stuff on the internet'.

Charles will reinforce his tough stance on Islamic extremism by telling the new Saudi king to show clemency to Saudi blogger Badawi.

His sentence of 1,000 lashes and ten years in jail over his website which encouraged Saudis to criticise Islam and their rulers has caused international outrage.

Diplomatic sources say that Salman bin Abdulaziz al Saud may pay more attention to Charles, a fellow royal, than a foreign political leader.


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Close links: Prince Charles is expected to use historic ties between the Houses of Windsor and Saud concerning the jailed blogger


The Prince last night touched down in Jordan, where he will meet Jordanian King Abdullah II, before travelling on to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates.

Charles also intends to use his Middle East tour to call for an end to attempts to drive Christians out of the region. IS terrorists slaughtered thousands of Yazidis and Christians in Northern Iraq, and Christians are also threatened in other Muslim countries.

If nothing was done, the time could soon come when 'there are no Christians left in the Middle East… they are intimidated to a degree you can't believe,' the Prince said.

He rammed home his point in uncharacteristically plain terms: 'The tragedy is even greater because Christians have been in the Middle East for 2,000 years, before Islam came in the 8th Century.'

As time goes on and the more I hear, the more and more I like Prince Charles.

Whilst the Queen has been a good monarch, there's little doubt that after she's gone her period will be known as one of decline and there's no escaping the fact she'll be remembered as the monarch who lost the Empire - although in many years after her demise we'll have a better picture as to how much she warned or didn't warn her foolish politicians at the time against their stupidity of the last half a century.

Prince Charles on the other hand, whilst he'll be constrained when King, seems to take a more active role (from what we know) and tbh he's pretty much spot on when it comes to agriculture, architecture, environment (except AGM) and now this latest warning which is essentially softly attacking the notion of multiculturalism which is simply ghettoisation. A transcript of part of his interview can be read via http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2944292/My-fears-intimidation-Christians-Middle-East-HRH-Prince-Wales.html .... Ideas take time to die and there's no doubt across Europe nations are waking up to the results of mass immigration, ghettoisation and radicalisation.

And it's also good to see he's taking the Defender of the Faith seriously rather than making plans to open it up to others faiths and religions when he is crowned King as was previously rumoured. The fact is that this is a Christian country and there should be no mollycoddling or changing the ancient Christian coronation ceremony in order to please minorities. That would have cost him a lot of support, including my own, if he had tried it.

Thoughts?

FlyingJesus
08-02-2015, 03:44 AM
There is a real worry that there could come a time when there are no Christians left in the Middle East because the numbers have gone so dramatically down

Oh no, a decline in folk of one regionally minor religion in an area clearly dominated through the centuries (other than during military occupation) by other religions!


Everything has been taken from them. Many of them are so fearful now of ever going back

Which is clearly more important than the people who have lived there for generations peacefully and are now being murdered en masse by the West-supported terrorist "settlers"


And the tragedy is even greater because Christians have been in the Middle East for 2,000 years, before Islam came in the 8th Century.

Cool story, time we gave England back to the Celts and Picts then I guess? Or does this line of reasoning only extend as far as it can benefit us solely?


When I called myself Defender of Faith all those years ago I was trying to describe the inclusion of other people's faiths and their freedom to worship in this country

...as long as they don't say any words that I don't like. Ignore that I use the same words as Anders Brevik ok

Chap does a fantastic job with the Prince's Trust and such, but when it comes to religion Charles knows no more than your average Sunday Christian


WE SHOULD CATER ONLY TO ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO GENERALLY IDENTIFY AS THEY DO DUE TO THEIR HERITAGE RATHER THAN INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION AND EDUCATION, AND IT IS ONLY RIGHT TO FORCE ALL OTHERS TO FOLLOW THEIR LEAD. THAT IS TRUE FREEDOMl.

-:Undertaker:-
08-02-2015, 03:54 AM
Oh no, a decline in folk of one regionally minor religion in an area clearly dominated through the centuries (other than during military occupation) by other religions!

Are you stupid? Christians across the Middle East who have lived there for thousands of years since the Islamic conquest are now being driven out in 2015. That's a little different sweetie to what you are calling a "decline". That's like saying the Jews "declined" during the 1930s in Prussia and greater Germany.


Which is clearly more important than the people who have lived there for generations peacefully and are now being murdered en masse by the West-supported terrorist "settlers"

You mean murdered like firing hundreds rockets every month and wanting to push them into the sea?


Cool story, time we gave England back to the Celts and Picts then I guess? Or does this line of reasoning only extend as far as it can benefit us solely?

What are you talking about? Has he called for that?


...as long as they don't say any words that I don't like. Ignore that I use the same words as Anders Brevik ok

So you believe wahabbism is something to be welcomed spluttering out of the mosques in London? Interesting.


WE SHOULD CATER ONLY TO ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO GENERALLY IDENTIFY AS THEY DO DUE TO THEIR HERITAGE RATHER THAN INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION AND EDUCATION, AND IT IS ONLY RIGHT TO FORCE ALL OTHERS TO FOLLOW THEIR LEAD. THAT IS TRUE FREEDOMl.

Yes that's right, that's called culture. That's what being a nation is. But you don't believe in the concept of a nation do you Tom and you think everyone can be individualistic like you and paint their nails pretty colours.. ironic though because the very people you take sides with on these issues - like the Palestinians - would throw you off a roof if you came anywhere near there. Infact, you remind me of this widely laughed at and ridiculed picture...


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Lamb and slaughterhouse come to mind.

The Don
08-02-2015, 04:10 AM
Ah, Charles sticking his nose into politics yet again. I can't wait for the inevitable shift in public opinion regarding the monarchy once that meddling little prince becomes king.

-:Undertaker:-
08-02-2015, 03:01 PM
Ah, Charles sticking his nose into politics yet again. I can't wait for the inevitable shift in public opinion regarding the monarchy once that meddling little prince becomes king.

Not really, we're a constitutional monarchy not a constitutional democracy. That's the system of government and how it has always been. From King George V threatening to create more peers in the Lords in 1911 so the Commons could pass the budget to even on the continent with King Juan Carlos I 'meddling'.

It's only Guardian readers like yourself who'll be upset by this latest story, and it's not as though Guardian readers are avid monarchists anyway is it.

AgnesIO
08-02-2015, 03:06 PM
Are you stupid? Christians across the Middle East who have lived there for thousands of years since the Islamic conquest are now being driven out in 2015. That's a little different sweetie to what you are calling a "decline". That's like saying the Jews "declined" during the 1930s in Prussia and greater Germany.


Correct, they did.

Yes, I have a terrible sense of humour. However, their numbers did decline...

The Don
08-02-2015, 03:26 PM
Not really, we're a constitutional monarchy not a constitutional democracy. That's the system of government and how it has always been. From King George V threatening to create more peers in the Lords in 1911 so the Commons could pass the budget to even on the continent with King Juan Carlos I 'meddling'.

It's only Guardian readers like yourself who'll be upset by this latest story, and it's not as though Guardian readers are avid monarchists anyway is it.

Let's wait and see shall we

FlyingJesus
08-02-2015, 06:17 PM
Are you stupid? Christians across the Middle East who have lived there for thousands of years since the Islamic conquest are now being driven out in 2015. That's a little different sweetie to what you are calling a "decline". That's like saying the Jews "declined" during the 1930s in Prussia and greater Germany.

Wow those are some very old people if they've lived there for thousands of years... And if you think Christians are the only people being driven out of their homes, or even the biggest percentage of those being persecuted, you're the one who's stupid.


You mean murdered like firing hundreds rockets every month and wanting to push them into the sea?

No I mean murdered like actually being killed. You know, the meaning of the word.


What are you talking about? Has he called for that?

No he hasn't which is my exact point. Do try to keep up


So you believe wahabbism is something to be welcomed spluttering out of the mosques in London? Interesting.

I believe in freedom of speech. I do not believe that that extends to inciting violence as it then becomes weaponised, so no if Wahhabists are saying that the world needs to be cleansed of nonbelievers I don't think that should be welcomed and should instead be dealt with as a legal matter, but if you want to pretend I've said things that I clearly haven't (as usual) then that's something you're also free to do I guess


Yes that's right, that's called culture. That's what being a nation is. But you don't believe in the concept of a nation do you Tom and you think everyone can be individualistic like you and paint their nails pretty colours.. ironic though because the very people you take sides with on these issues - like the Palestinians - would throw you off a roof if you came anywhere near there.

Again mistaking freedom of speech/expression with a wish to allow illegal acts to go unpunished. That is not what anyone is suggesting and I hardly think suggesting that people should be able to do as they please within the law is anything like agreeing with extremists and murderers in Palestine or anywhere else. As usual you're mixing up issues in order to counter points that were never even raised in the first place. Your definition of culture as "forcing everyone to do what I like" is pretty hilarious though so well done on your comedy career

-:Undertaker:-
10-02-2015, 08:26 PM
Wow those are some very old people if they've lived there for thousands of years... And if you think Christians are the only people being driven out of their homes, or even the biggest percentage of those being persecuted, you're the one who's stupid.

Did I say that? No.

What I did say, and what you can't dispute, is that there have been Christians living in the Middle East for thousands of years and yet it's only now that they are being either thrown out or facing extermination by radical Islamism. That's not acceptable, is it?


No I mean murdered like actually being killed. You know, the meaning of the word.

And if it wasn't for the missile shield and the Jews having a good army the Arabs would have literally pushed them into the sea a long time ago. If the technology was turned around and it was the Arabs who had the upper hand, the wouldn't show the Jews any mercy.


No he hasn't which is my exact point. Do try to keep up

Sok what is your point. You're being awkward for awkwards sake.


I believe in freedom of speech. I do not believe that that extends to inciting violence as it then becomes weaponised, so no if Wahhabists are saying that the world needs to be cleansed of nonbelievers I don't think that should be welcomed and should instead be dealt with as a legal matter, but if you want to pretend I've said things that I clearly haven't (as usual) then that's something you're also free to do I guess

So you agree with me then that allowing mass immigration from Islamic countries is suicidal.


Again mistaking freedom of speech/expression with a wish to allow illegal acts to go unpunished. That is not what anyone is suggesting and I hardly think suggesting that people should be able to do as they please within the law is anything like agreeing with extremists and murderers in Palestine or anywhere else. As usual you're mixing up issues in order to counter points that were never even raised in the first place. Your definition of culture as "forcing everyone to do what I like" is pretty hilarious though so well done on your comedy career

No it isn't. I don't think you can legislate really for culture or integration OTHER than limiting who comes here in the first place.

And that's what i'd do, allow only small numbers so that they de facto would have to integrate to get along.

FlyingJesus
10-02-2015, 09:15 PM
Did I say that? No.

What I did say, and what you can't dispute, is that there have been Christians living in the Middle East for thousands of years and yet it's only now that they are being either thrown out or facing extermination by radical Islamism. That's not acceptable, is it?

What's a crusade what is history this is all new I promise


And if it wasn't for the missile shield and the Jews having a good army the Arabs would have literally pushed them into the sea a long time ago. If the technology was turned around and it was the Arabs who had the upper hand, the wouldn't show the Jews any mercy.

If the situation was reversed and it were Arabs murdering natives and stealing their land then I'd be on the other side, yes. I'm not in support of any combatants, I'm in support of those who have... what's the phrase... been living in the Middle East for thousands of years and yet it's only now that they are being either thrown out or facing extermination.


Sok what is your point. You're being awkward for awkwards sake.

The point is exactly what I said, there's nothing really to misinterpret. He's saying it's sad because "our religion is older!!!!" while ruling a country that has been invaded and taken over by new cultures lord knows how many times and yet doesn't seem to mind that. He's making a moot point entirely.


So you agree with me then that allowing mass immigration from Islamic countries is suicidal.

Where the hell do you get that from? Unless you're suggesting that all/most Muslims are murderous barbarians that's got nothing to do with what I said in any way


No it isn't. I don't think you can legislate really for culture or integration OTHER than limiting who comes here in the first place.

And that's what i'd do, allow only small numbers so that they de facto would have to integrate to get along.

You're right, alienation and forced segregation is the best way to make people want to belong...

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