Politician expelled from Ukip for racist comments hits back at her critics

[The Don]

Politician expelled from Ukip for ***** comments hits back at her critics by saying she once visited the Caribbean and found it 'okay'

http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9939361.ece/alternates/w620/split-duncan-v2.jpg
Rozanne Duncan was recorded telling a Ukip press officer she had 'a problem' with black people



A local politician expelled from Ukip for saying she didn’t like people with “negroid” features has hit back at her critics by revealing that she once went on holiday to the Caribbean.

Rozanne Duncan was expelled from Ukip after telling a camera crew shooting a documentary that she had "a problem" with black people.

Ms Duncan called the LBC radio station during a discussion about the documentary in which she featured, Meet the Ukippers.

After being questioned about her alleged racial prejudice, she said she had onced visited the Caribbean and that the visit had been “okay”.

Having described her normal reaction to an encounter with someone of a different ethnicity as “I just don’t want to look”, she said she had not had similar problems during her visit to the islands because “it’s their country”.

“I went sailing in the Caribbean, for instance. It was okay … If you go to another country you should adopt their ethos, shall we say,” she explained. “So for instance if you got to France you’d expect to hear French spoken, for instance, and you’d expect to see snails on the menu whether you like them or not. The same way you go anywhere.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/politician-expelled-from-ukip-for-negro-comments-hits-back-at-her-critics-by-saying-she-once-visited-the-caribbean-and-found-it-okay-10064359.html

Just another bad apple, I guess!
Thoughts?

[-:Undertaker:-]

What an idiot, glad the party acted months ago to expel her immediately.

In the interests of fairness though.....

Also in the news this week -


Conservative MP Sir Malcolm Rifkind to resign over Cash for Access scandal

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31589202



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Labour councillor resigns from party after claiming too many benefits

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Conservative MP claims NHS should use ASTROLOGY in healthcare treatment

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Liberal Democrat councillor whose house was used for 12-hour sex parties is to become Lord Mayor

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2960605/A-Liberal-Democrat-Councillor-house-used-12-hour-swingers-sex-parties-line-deputy-Lord-Mayor.html



Tower Hamlets Mayor accuses Labour Party of institutional racism

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tower-hamlets-mayor-claims-labour-party-bears-hallmarks-of-institutional-racism-10065171.html

Just more fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists I guess!

[The Don]

What an idiot, glad the party acted months ago to expel her immediately.

In the interests of fairness though.....

Also in the news this week -

Well they couldn't exactly keep her in the party even if they wanted to unless they wanted UKIP to receive even more bad press! She's running as an independent now, good luck with that to her lmao

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well they couldn't exactly keep her in the party even if they wanted to unless they wanted UKIP to receive even more bad press! She's running as an independent now, good luck with that to her lmao

She was apparently thrown out without a right of appeal months ago when they learnt of what she had said.

I'd like to know what is taking Labour so long to find out why its MPs and councillors in Rotherham covered up the abuse of 1,300+ children. Big issue that.

[The Don]

She was apparently thrown out without a right of appeal months ago when they learnt of what she had said.

I'd like to know what is taking Labour so long to find out why its MPs and councillors in Rotherham covered up the abuse of 1,300+ children. Big issue that.

It's hard to imagine she hadn't already expressed extreme opinions in front of other UKIP members since she felt they were appropriate to be shared in front of cameras. Let's be honest here, throwing her out in December was nothing more than covering their own backs.

[-:Undertaker:-]

It's hard to imagine she hadn't already expressed extreme opinions in front of other UKIP members since she felt they were appropriate to be shared in front of cameras. Let's be honest here, throwing her out in December was nothing more than covering their own backs.

I don't know what she's said before and nor do you. A lot of people say bad things in private, we're not all perfect PC beings when with friends y'know. I often make racist/gay/lesbian/disabled jokes/banter which, if put into a national newspaper, I would come across as the Devil himself. I know that's not the same as what she's said where she seems to believe in a weird serious way what she's saying but hey ho a lot of people from her generation are like that.

The problem is that if you're going to be involved in public office you have to keep your trap shut at all times because it's going to be used against you. In her case she's clearly not suitable for public office and did make appalling statements and it's right she's exposed and expelled for it. That's all.

[The Don]

I don't know what she's said before and nor do you. A lot of people say bad things in private, we're not all perfect PC beings when with friends y'know. I often make racist/gay/lesbian/disabled jokes/banter which, if put into a national newspaper, I would come across as the Devil himself. I know that's not the same as what she's said where she seems to believe in a weird serious way what she's saying but hey ho a lot of people from her generation are like that.

The problem is that if you're going to be involved in public office you have to keep your trap shut at all times because it's going to be used against you.

It's a fair assumption to make, and are you really comparing somebody saying in a serious manner "I don't like people with negroid features" to a racist joke?

[-:Undertaker:-]

It's a fair assumption to make, and are you really comparing somebody saying in a serious manner "I don't like people with negroid features" to a racist joke?

No but I am saying how generally with what people say in private vs public it's a lot different. If everything you and I said in private with our friends was put into the public domain and we were people of some measure of fame/holders of public office, then there would be a **** storm guaranteed 100%.

She's obviously way overstepped the line but then again maybe that's how her friends talk/think and she doesn't see anything wrong with it. It's like how out of touch politicians from London laugh at council houses with England flags outside: whilst I disagree obviously with that sneering attitude as I do with this woman's racist outburst, they're from such a different background that they can't see that it's wrong what they've said. And it's the same here I would guess.

[The Don]

No but I am saying how generally with what people say in private vs public it's a lot different. If everything you and I said in private with our friends was put into the public domain and we were people of some measure of fame/holders of public office, then there would be a **** storm guaranteed 100%.

She's obviously way overstepped the line but then again maybe that's how her friends talk/think and she doesn't see anything wrong with it. It's like how out of touch politicians from London laugh at council houses with England flags outside: whilst I disagree obviously with that sneering attitude as I do with this woman's racist outburst, they're from such a different background that they can't see that it's wrong what they've said. And it's the same here I would guess.

Erm I don't know what you say in the comfort of your own home but I don't make comments similar to the ones she made publicly.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Erm I don't know what you say in the comfort of your own home but I don't make comments similar to the ones she made publicly.

Not saying comments on this level but then again we're a different generation, we have different friends and we live in different areas. I'm not trying to justify or defend what she said, just I am saying that the explanation for why she seemingly doesn't see anything wrong with what she's saying (I saw the interview and she says it as though it's a completely normal thing to say between friends) may have something to do with her social group as well as the fact she's a 60-something woman who probably lives in a small village in Kent.

You haven't got to agree with a viewpoint or worldview to understand how some people may have arrived to that view. Again, that doesn't justify it.

[scottish]

Liberal Democrat councillor whose house was used for 12-hour sex parties is to become Lord Mayor

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ord-Mayor.html

what's that to do with anything lol



being racist and having a 12 hour sex party is quite a bit different, not even news worthy

[-:Undertaker:-]

Liberal Democrat councillor whose house was used for 12-hour sex parties is to become Lord Mayor

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ord-Mayor.html

what's that to do with anything lol

being racist and having a 12 hour sex party is quite a bit different, not even news worthy

Politicians are supposed to have good public standing.

I'm sure if it was Ukip though they'd have it on 24 hour rolling news cycle.

[peteyt]

It's hard to imagine she hadn't already expressed extreme opinions in front of other UKIP members since she felt they were appropriate to be shared in front of cameras. Let's be honest here, throwing her out in December was nothing more than covering their own backs.

The problem is I and many people I know have said a black joke at least once but I'm not racist. I'd also know that if I got into politics I'd have to be careful as people would be watching me carefully.

I don't know if I'm going to vote, if I trust any party, including UKIP. I plan to have a proper look very soon as I don't know enough on the policies of all the parties and do feel a lot of people vote blindly. But what is obvious is people are scared about UKIP and are posting anything they can find that they can use or twist if need me, to make them look bad.

[The Don]

The problem is I and many people I know have said a black joke at least once but I'm not racist. I'd also know that if I got into politics I'd have to be careful as people would be watching me carefully.

I don't know if I'm going to vote, if I trust any party, including UKIP. I plan to have a proper look very soon as I don't know enough on the policies of all the parties and do feel a lot of people vote blindly. But what is obvious is people are scared about UKIP and are posting anything they can find that they can use or twist if need me, to make them look bad.

There's a difference between a black joke and saying "I don't like negroids". I would love it if people would stop equating the two because they are completely different.

[-:Undertaker:-]

There's a difference between a black joke and saying "I don't like negroids". I would love it if people would stop equating the two because they are completely different.

Well the likes of you and the establishment are always quick to throw the accusation of racism at people just for opposing open borders so you'll have to forgive us if we're a bit quick to jump to the defensive when it comes to speech regarding immigration or racism.

[The Don]

Well the likes of you and the establishment are always quick to throw the accusation of racism at people just for opposing open borders so you'll have to forgive us if we're a bit quick to jump to the defensive when it comes to speech regarding immigration or racism.

So saying "I don't like negroids" isn't racist? I'd love to live in your world

[-:Undertaker:-]

So saying "I don't like negroids" isn't racist? I'd love to live in your world

No, but the reason why we're having to even discuss other forms (like jokes) is because your side made the debate so toxic by throwing accusations of racism at anyone who dared challenge the consensus over the past decade regarding race relations/immigration. In other words, you started it now reap it.

[The Don]

No, but the reason why we're having to even discuss other forms (like jokes) is because your side made the debate so toxic by throwing accusations of racism at anyone who dared challenge the consensus over the past decade regarding race relations/immigration. In other words, you started it now reap it.

What's this got to do with a woman saying I don't like negroids? Stop trying to run this thread about a UKIP Candidates racist comments off topic onto immigration because a woman saying I hate all ******* has got absolutely nothing to do with open borders *REMOVED*.


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[-:Undertaker:-]

What's this got to do with a woman saying I don't like negroids? Stop trying to run this thread about a UKIP Candidates racist comments off topic onto immigration because a woman saying I hate all ******* has got absolutely nothing to do with open borders *REMOVED*.

We've been talking generally for quite some time in this thread of things that can be percieved as racist or what is/what isn't: again, something we now feel the need to have to do when it comes to topics like this because your lot can't stop shouting racist, bigot or whatever other word comes into your heads at anyone who disagrees with you. That's been going on over the past decade now, and it's all your own making so drink up.

Stop trying to twist it back to just this woman as though you can win on that alone because we've all condemned what she's said.


I would love it if people would stop equating the two because they are completely different.

Oh, would you darling? Why then did your side of the wider issue then spend the last 10 years slurring everybody and everything as racist?

Hypocrite.

[The Don]

We've been talking generally for quite some time in this thread of things that can be percieved as racist or what is/what isn't:

No, we haven’t. You and petey-boy have been mentioning irrelevant things such as racist jokes to try and soften the womans comments. We’ve all agreed that her comments weren’t jokes so stop trying to mention them when they are completely irrelevant to what’s been said here.


again, something we now feel the need to have to do when it comes to topics like this because your lot can't stop shouting racist, bigot or whatever other word comes into your heads at anyone who disagrees with you.

Lol, are you really criticizing me for calling a woman who says “I don’t like negroids” a racist? It is interesting you feel the need to defend the racist.


That's been going on over the past decade now, and it's all your own making so drink up.

You’re so deluded, you do realize that, right? You’re bringing comments about immigration and open door policies into a thread about some stupid woman’s racist comments. Then again, I know you LOVE to run every thread off topic. You’re talking about PCism now so either you think her comments weren’t that bad and people are overreacting due to a pc culture, or you’re trying to soften the blow by equating a severely racist comment “I don’t like negroids” with irrelevant topics such as racist jokes and immigration.


Stop trying to twist it back to just this woman as though you can win on that alone because we've all condemned what she's said.

I’m not twisting anything, you’re the one who is bringing IRRELEVANT topics into the thread, nobody else. In your first post you posted a load of news stories about other politicians? If anyones twisting things it's you. I'm bringing it back to this woman because that's what this thread is about.

[Kyle]

just to clarify negroid is an adjective not a noun and she was referring to negroid features. still potentially offensive but in no way the same as "not liking negroids" in the sense you are misquoting it.

[-:Undertaker:-]

No, we haven’t. You and petey-boy have been mentioning irrelevant things such as racist jokes to try and soften the womans comments. We’ve all agreed that her comments weren’t jokes so stop trying to mention them when they are completely irrelevant to what’s been said here.

So what else do you want? Her head on a spike? I mean really what else is there to add.


Lol, are you really criticizing me for calling a woman who says “I don’t like negroids” a racist?

And he AGAIN tries to win a non-existant point against me by pretending that I am defending her comments despite having condemned them in just about every post in this thread.


You’re so deluded, you do realize that, right? You’re bringing comments about immigration and open door policies into a thread about some stupid woman’s racist comments. Then again, I know you LOVE to run every thread off topic. You’re talking about PCism now so either you think her comments weren’t that bad and people are overreacting due to a pc culture, or you’re trying to soften the blow by equating a severely racist comment “I don’t like negroids” with irrelevant topics such as racist jokes and immigration.

I’m not twisting anything, you’re the one who is bringing IRRELEVANT topics into the thread, nobody else. In your first post you posted a load of news stories about other politicians? If anyones twisting

You know as well I do that your articles like this, usually to do with what some Ukip member in Cabot Cove has said, are designed to poison the mass immigration debate on here by equating genuine racism with the Ukip/mass immigration/EU debate: even though there's plenty of similar comments made by the other parties.

You know what you are doing and I know what you are doing, so don't play silly with me. The side you bat for on the wider debate has tried this tactic for years and you're not getting away with it anymore. It's so transparent and desperate. It's just sooooo 2005.

[The Don]

just to clarify negroid is an adjective not a noun and she was referring to negroid features. still potentially offensive but in no way the same as "not liking negroids" in the sense you are misquoting it.

Tomato, tomato. As if there is really a distinct enough difference between "people with negroid features" and "negroids" to worry about misquoting.

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So what else do you want? Her head on a spike? I mean really what else is there to add.

I want you to stop brining up irrelevant topics which do nothing but confuse the discussion.


And he AGAIN tries to win a non-existant point against me by pretending that I am defending her comments despite having condemned them in just about every post in this thread.

You’re brining up “PC culture” and immigration, so it feels like you’re attempting to defend her by bringing in irrelevant topics.


You know as well I do that your articles like this, usually to do with what some Ukip member in Cabot Cove has said, are designed to poison the mass immigration debate on here by equating genuine racism with the Ukip/mass immigration/EU debate: even though there's plenty of similar comments made by the other parties.

Pardon? Are you really complaining about someone posting articles about UKIP when you post articles yourself about other parties? Pot kettle black, my friend. UKIP is now a larger party so of course they are going to come under more scrutiny, just like you do with Labour and the Conservatives.


You know what you are doing and I know what you are doing, so don't play silly with me. The side you bat for on the wider debate has tried this tactic for years and you're not getting away with it anymore. It's so transparent and desperate. It's just sooooo 2005.

I’m trying to keep this discussion on topic, the only one “doing something” here is you by attempting to derail the discussion.

[-:Undertaker:-]

You’re brining up “PC culture” and immigration, so it feels like you’re attempting to defend her by brining in irrelevant topics.

As I said, because of people like you shouting racist all the time and demeaning what racism actually is we now feel when topics involving racial comments come up that we have to defend ourselves against that accusation: because nowadays it's applied to virtually anything. Thanks to people like you.


Pardon? Are you really complaining about someone posting articles about UKIP when you post articles yourself about other parties? Pot kettle black, my friend. UKIP is now a larger party so of course they are going to come under more scrutiny, just like you do with Labour and the Conservatives.

I’m trying to keep this discussion on topic, the only one “doing something” here is you by attempting to derail the discussion.

I tend to post topics on policy, rather than what a Councillor in Narnia has said. It is after all only because you post over and over again, like the media do, whether a Ukip candidate has farted or not that I then have to bring some balance into it and post what the councillors of the other parties are up to but which you won't post. But we know why you won't post anything on policy and that's because you'll be chewed up and spat out again if you tried.

[The Don]

As I said, because of people like you shouting racist all the time and demeaning what racism actually is we now feel when topics involving racial comments come up that we have to defend ourselves against that accusation: because nowadays it's applied to virtually anything. Thanks to people like you.

You feel the need to defend yourself in a thread criticising a woman for a comment about negroid features? Persecution complex at its finest.


I tend to post topics on policy, rather than what a Councillor in Narnia has said. It is after all only because you post over and over again, like the media do, whether a Ukip candidate has farted or not that I then have to bring some balance into it and post what the councillors of the other parties are up to but which you won't post. But we know why you won't post anything on policy and that's because you'll be chewed up and spat out again if you tried.

I posted a thread about a labour MP at the same time as this one? Lmao, nice try.

And you don't post threads like this one? Oh, what are these then? That's just off the first page. I would argue a candidate making a racist comment is worth talking about more than an 'awkward' meeting between miliband and a member of the public.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=821342
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=821241

[-:Undertaker:-]

You feel the need to defend yourself in a thread criticising a woman for a comment about negroid features? Persecution complex at its finest.

That's right.


I posted a thread about a labour MP at the same time as this one? Lmao, nice try.

Only because you knew i'd respond and accuse you of only posting on one party all the time. So nice try back at you! ;)


And you don't post threads like this one? Oh, what are these then? That's just off the first page. I would argue a candidate making a racist comment is worth talking about more than an 'awkward' meeting between miliband and a member of the public.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=821342
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=821241

1) I defended Austin Mitchell and made the thread as an opener to talk about northern seat prospects.
2) Again an opener to talk about northern seats. Although, Ed Miliband is of much more concern than a councillor.

So yeah.

[The Don]

That's right.

Only because you knew i'd respond and accuse you of only posting on one party all the time. So nice try back at you! ;)

Not at all, I thought his comments were bizarre enough to warrant posting!


1) I defended Austin Mitchell and made the thread as an opener to talk about northern seat prospects.
2) Again an opener to talk about northern seats. Although, Ed Miliband is of much more concern than a councillor.

So yeah.

Still pretty comparable to be honest. A political candidate making racist comments is worth posting about just as much as your dreadlock comments thread.

[peteyt]

There's a difference between a black joke and saying "I don't like negroids". I would love it if people would stop equating the two because they are completely different.

My point did make sense. You said that UKIP should have got rid of her ages ago, but the problem is its not always that easy. They may have not known she was a racist until the incident. You can't really go off what happens in private as what I was pointing out is the fact that a lot of non racist people tell racist jokes so it's not enough to go on.

Also why did you give me bad reputation just for not agreeing with you?

[The Don]

My point did make sense. You said that UKIP should have got rid of her ages ago, but the problem is its not always that easy. They may have not known she was a racist until the incident. You can't really go off what happens in private as what I was pointing out is the fact that a lot of non racist people tell racist jokes so it's not enough to go on.

Also why did you give me bad reputation just for not agreeing with you?

I didn't say UKIP should have got rid of her ages ago, I said I suspected they already knew of her racist views since she was so open about them in front of cameras and then you started talking about how you've told racist jokes in the past, as if it has any relevance to what she had said.

[FlyingJesus]

Dan I'm pretty sure you can't play the "you started it" card when it was clearly you that brought up racist jokes - and a whole slew of other non-related topics. The fact of the matter is that what this woman said showed extreme unapologetic prejudice towards certain people just because of their race.

And let's stop with this "your side" nonsense that you try to pull whenever anyone disagrees with you as though there's some sort of conglomerate hivemind going on and anyone who doesn't like racism is a communist Sith lord

[-:Undertaker:-]

Dan I'm pretty sure you can't play the "you started it" card when it was clearly you that brought up racist jokes - and a whole slew of other non-related topics. The fact of the matter is that what this woman said showed extreme unapologetic prejudice towards certain people just because of their race.

And let's stop with this "your side" nonsense that you try to pull whenever anyone disagrees with you as though there's some sort of conglomerate hivemind going on and anyone who doesn't like racism is a communist Sith lord

And there you've just gone and proved my point straight away. Thank you.

Just couldn't help yourself.

[FlyingJesus]

What

[peteyt]

I didn't say UKIP should have got rid of her ages ago, I said I suspected they already knew of her racist views since she was so open about them in front of cameras and then you started talking about how you've told racist jokes in the past, as if it has any relevance to what she had said.

What I what saying is until the racist comment she made, which clearly was racist I will add, they might have not known she was racist. My point with the jokes is that if you heard some of the jokes I have said out of context I would seem like a racist but I'm not. Until she made the remarks she did people could make assumptions but thats it

[The Don]

What I what saying is until the racist comment she made, which clearly was racist I will add, they might have not known she was racist. My point with the jokes is that if you heard some of the jokes I have said out of context I would seem like a racist but I'm not. Until she made the remarks she did people could make assumptions but thats it

And what I was saying is that it's fair to assume she has made similar comments (not jokes, which nobody besides you and dan has mentioned) before. If she's open/unaware enough to make those comments in front of the rolling cameras then it's safe to assume that she has made similar comments in private to her friends and other UKIP members.

[peteyt]

And what I was saying is that it's fair to assume she has made similar comments (not jokes, which nobody besides you and dan has mentioned) before. If she's open/unaware enough to make those comments in front of the rolling cameras then it's safe to assume that she has made similar comments in private to her friends and other UKIP members.

We can assume yes but we can't know and that is my point. She probably did, I'm not denying it, but no one knows what goes on behind closed doors