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-:Undertaker:-
26-02-2015, 04:01 AM
EU is being promoted in skewed history lessons: Academics warn teachers are promoting a 'soft push' for further European integration in British classrooms

- Teachers are promoting a 'soft push' for EU integration during lessons
- 30 academics have warned against the idea of a single European identity
- David Abulafia warned schools were teaching a 'skewed' version of history


The history of Europe is being taught to pupils in a ‘distorted’ way in order to promote the EU, a leading British historian has claimed.

Professor David Abulafia, of Cambridge University, said the ‘soft push’ for further European integration that had been seen in French and German education was beginning to ‘creep in’ to British classrooms.

He joins television historian David Starkey and Professors Richard Shannon and Robert Tombs in launching a campaign, Historians for Britain, calling for a fundamental redrawing of the UK’s relationship with Europe.

In total 30 academics have backed the campaign and contributed essays to criticise the concept of a single European identity that underpins the emphasis on further integration.

In his essay Professor Abulafia wrote: ‘The search for common roots has not been ignored in Brussels and among its acolytes. School textbooks are issued that attempt to present the history of Europe as a common enterprise.

‘It hardly needs to be said that this has involved a distortion of the past, by assuming that a sense of European identity has existed for centuries, and by assuming a common purpose leading to the ultimate unification of Europe.’

Millions of children across the continent could be being taught a skewed version of history for political purposes, Professor Abulafia feared.

‘There is a soft push to create a sense of European citizenship which is based on frankly an invented common history, because the history of Europe is to a large extent the history of division, not the history of unity,’ he said.


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Professor David Abulafia, pictured, has warned that the history of Europe is being taught in 'a distorted way' in order to promote the European Union


‘When it has been the history of unity, as we’ve seen under Napoleon and Hitler or under the Soviets in Eastern Europe, it has gone disastrously wrong. It is a papering over the discordant elements in European history to create this idealised event.’

The Cambridge academic said the European Union had been presented as a ‘great train’ with the tracks leading to a ‘United States of Europe’ in some textbooks.

He raised concerns that children were being misled into believing that ‘European citizenship trumps national allegiance’ and suggests the notion that it is ‘obvious and natural’ to have a fully integrated European state.


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TV historian David Starkey, pictured, has also joined a movement opposing further EU integration


He added: ‘Attempts to create an artificial notion of ‘Europe’ distract from the reality of the situation and make it harder to rectify the many problems that exist within the EU’s institutions.’ His concerns are shared by other historians, one of whom compared the push for European unity to the tyranny of Joseph Stalin, and another who warned that it undermined principles defended by Sir Winston Churchill.

Matthew Elliott, chief executive of Business for Britain, the campaign backing renegotiation which is affiliated with Historians for Britain, said the idea of a single European identity was ‘dangerous’.

He told the Daily Telegraph newspaper: ‘The EU’s official motto is ‘United in diversity’, a laudable philosophy. Unfortunately, many of the EU’s policies seem intent on crushing that diversity, striving to replace Europe’s many historic identities with a single, artificial ‘European’ culture.’

A rare outbreak of common sense among academics it seems.

He's right though. I know a friend who is very pro-EU yet won't debate the subject other than saying it is just so great for trade although my inkling is he's been taught it in Geography lessons as his friend (who was in his class) is also identical in his opinion of it. And then there's my own experience in History where I was supposed to write that Britain not joining the Euro was a political failure and set back - this was in the midst of the Euro crisis. I didn't write that of course, which is probably why I failed because I refuse to write such rubbish.

I also came across two chunky EU Commission funded books full of propaganda in our Sixth Form common room which I binned too.

Thoughts?

The Don
26-02-2015, 04:07 AM
So the headline says "David Abulafia warned schools were teaching a 'skewed' version of history" and the actual quote says that it could potentially happen, not that it is already happening "Millions of children across the continent could be being taught a skewed version of history for political purposes, Professor Abulafia feared".

Extremely misleading post from the Daily Mail.

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I also came across two chunky EU Commission funded books full of propaganda in our Sixth Form common room which I binned too.

Thoughts?

You threw out your schools property because it was about the EU? Get a grip.

-:Undertaker:-
26-02-2015, 04:10 AM
So the headline says "David Abulafia warned schools were teaching a 'skewed' version of history" and the actual quote says that it could potentially happen, not that it is already happening "Millions of children across the continent could be being taught a skewed version of history for political purposes, Professor Abulafia feared".

Extremely misleading post from the Daily Mail.

That's you who is skewing it.

It's perfectly clear what he's saying.


Professor David Abulafia, of Cambridge University, said the ‘soft push’ for further European integration that had been seen in French and German education was beginning to ‘creep in’ to British classrooms.

Pretty clear cut to me and I can back it up with my own experiences (see above).


You threw out your schools property because it was about the EU? Get a grip.

No, because the Commission had sent it yet nothing to counter it had been placed on the shelf. Infact they were the only two books.

Right in the bin with the bottles and empty crisp packets where it belongs. :)

The Don
26-02-2015, 04:13 AM
That's you who is skewing it.

No, look at the words. Your headline says that it's already happening when the quote says It could happen.
Here's another example, Dan could turn into a puppy killer in the future, Dan is a puppy killer. See the difference?


No, because the Commission had sent it yet nothing to counter it had been placed on the shelf. Infact they were the only two books.

It's not your property to throw away. For someone who claims to have a firm set of principles, apparently stealing is perfectly acceptable.

-:Undertaker:-
26-02-2015, 04:18 AM
No, look at the words. Your headline says that it's already happening when the quote says It could happen.
Here's another example, Dan could turn into a puppy killer in the future, Dan is a puppy killer. See the difference?

I suspect the 'could' you quoted is in reference to the 'millions' as of course we can't quantify how widespread it is going on.

In any case, anybody here can read the parts where the Professor and read what he's said and make up their mind because you my friend are just splitting hairs right there. He and others have said it's creeping into schools, and I know it is as my teacher was told by the examination board for A-Level History that the approved answer concerning the Euro currency and the UK was that we should have joined. And that's just my own experience.


It's not your property to throw away. For someone who claims to have a firm set of principles, apparently stealing is perfectly acceptable.

The way I see it the EU/politicians stole from my parents and this country to fund such rubbish in the first place, so pari passu to them.

The Don
26-02-2015, 04:32 AM
I suspect the 'could' you quoted is in reference to the 'millions' as of course we can't quantify how widespread it is going on.

Doubtful, seems much more like a misquote on the dailymails part to me.


In any case, anybody here can read the parts where the Professor and read what he's said and make up their mind because you my friend are just splitting hairs right there.

He and others have said it's creeping into schools, and I know it is as my teacher was told by the examination board for A-Level History that the approved answer concerning the Euro currency and the UK was that we should have joined. And that's just my own experience.


I’m not saying that there isn’t a push for the EU to be taught in schools because I’ve read articles about it recently and it would be disingenuous to pretend otherwise. I am disputing the claims that the history of Europe is being taught in a skewed way, as your article claims.

The title of this thread is “Group of academics warn that the EU is being promoted in 'skewed' school lessons” when no such thing has been said. Warning of the potential for something to happen is entirely different from warning that it is happening and whilst you are criticizing me for arguing semantics this misquotation is entirely what the article and your post is based upon. Is there a push for Europe to be taught more in schools? Yes. Are these lessons skewed? No.

-:Undertaker:-
26-02-2015, 04:40 AM
Doubtful, seems much more like a misquote on the dailymails part to me.

Then the Daily Mail wrote it badly as it so often does. The rest of his quotations speak for themselves.


I’m not saying that there isn’t a push for the EU to be taught in schools because I’ve read articles about it recently and it would be disingenuous to pretend otherwise. I am disputing the claims that the history of Europe is being taught in a skewed way, as your article claims.

Well at least we can reach some agreement.


The title of this thread is “Group of academics warn that the EU is being promoted in 'skewed' school lessons” when no such thing has been said. Warning of the potential for something to happen is entirely different from warning that it is happening and whilst you are criticizing me for arguing semantics this misquotation is entirely what the article and your post is based upon. Is there a push for Europe to be taught more in schools? Yes. Are these lessons skewed? No.

The lessons are skewed - I know from my own experience. But the Professor says it himself -


The Cambridge academic said the European Union had been presented as a ‘great train’ with the tracks leading to a ‘United States of Europe’ in some textbooks.

He raised concerns that children were being misled into believing that ‘European citizenship trumps national allegiance’ and suggests the notion that it is ‘obvious and natural’ to have a fully integrated European state.

The Don
26-02-2015, 04:53 AM
Then the Daily Mail wrote it badly as it so often does. The rest of his quotations speak for themselves.



Well at least we can reach some agreement.



The lessons are skewed - I know from my own experience. But the Professor says it himself -

Well there's always going to be bias in some sort of form when a government decides on the educational curriculum. I seem to recall you saying that you want schools to teach more about Britain to boost nationalism so clearly you have no problem with a bias curriculum when it's in your favour. As long as the lessons are entirely factual and relevant then it's not a big deal. Regardless of what you think about the EU you can't argue against the point that it has seen a growth in cooperation between European countries so whilst you might not like that being taught in schools because you dislike the EU I can see why it is being taught.

-:Undertaker:-
26-02-2015, 04:58 AM
Well there's always going to be bias in some sort of form when a government decides on the educational curriculum. I seem to recall you saying that you want schools to teach more about Britain to boost nationalism so clearly you have no problem with a bias curriculum when it's in your favour. As long as the lessons are entirely factual and relevant then it's not a big deal.

If I did want that, which I do partly, that is understandable as Britain is a country and the people of the country should be taught their own history just as generations before us were. I'm keen on British history being taught not only because you lose a country when the people living in it don't know their own traditions, customs and values (and think of the integration regarding immigration with this too): but also the fact that a country which teaches it's own history - especially the likes of English civil liberties, common law, Magna Carta, constitutional acts which are far more important than any monarch or war - will be more clued up to any government that comes into office and acts contrary to what I just said.

If British kids were taught the value of English liberty for example, do you think the Blair Ministry would have dared try to get the sinister 90 days without trial detention put into law? Would the European Arrest Warrant (worse than the 90 days bill) have made it into law? I doubt it.


Regardless of what you think about the EU you can't argue against the point that it has seen a growth in cooperation between European countries so whilst you might not like that being taught in schools because you dislike the EU I can see why it is being taught.

There's a difference between co-operation (intergovernmentalism) and integration (supranationalism).

I don't regard French bureaucrats drawing up regulations and laws which we are against but cannot do anything about as 'co-operation'. That's domination.

The Don
26-02-2015, 05:06 AM
If I did want that, which I do partly, that is understandable as Britain is a country and the people of the country should be taught their own history just as generations before us were. I'm keen on British history being taught not only because you lose a country when the people living in it don't know their own traditions, customs and values (and think of the integration regarding immigration with this too): but also the fact that a country which teaches it's own history - especially the likes of English civil liberties, common law, Magna Carta, constitutional acts which are far more important than any monarch or war - will be more clued up to any government that comes into office and acts contrary to what I just said.

If British kids were taught the value of English liberty for example, do you think the Blair Ministry would have tried to get the 90 days without trial dentention put into law? Would the European Arrest Warrant (worse than the 90 days bill) have made it into law? I doubt it.

There's a difference between co-operation (intergovernmentalism) and integration (supranationalism).

Then you clearly don’t think Skewed/Bias lessons are an inherently bad thing.

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