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07-03-2015, 06:35 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/07/ukip-100-second-places-may-election-nigel-farage
Ukip on track for 100-plus second places across England
Analysis predicts huge breakthrough as Nigel Farage provides main threat to three parties
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Nigel Farage explains Ukip’s policy on immigration earlier this week. Photograph: Sean Smith for the Guardian
Ukip is on course to come second in at least 100 seats at the general election as it displaces the Tories, Labour and Lib Dems as the main opposition across large parts of the country, according to new analysis of the party’s electoral prospects on 7 May. The extraordinary potential haul of Ukip “silver medals” – in an addition to a likely tally of half-a-dozen or so seats at Westminster – would represent a massive breakthrough for Nigel Farage’s anti-EU party, which failed to achieve even a single second place in 2010.
The analysis, conducted by Robert Ford at the University of Manchester for the Observer, suggests that the biggest threat to the established parties from Ukip will come in future local and national elections after May, once it has put down local roots and established itself in the minds of voters as a real alternative to the incumbent party. It also means that the future of the UK in the EU – normally not a top issue on the doorsteps – will become far more central to election debates, as Ukip candidates press the case for the country to quit the EU and apply pressure for an in/out referendum.
Examining Ukip’s strength, as well as by-elections in this parliament, Ford concludes that Farage’s party will pile up “silver medals” across industrial and urban regions in the north, as well in parts of the Midlands, the south east and East Anglia and the south west. The party is polling at between 10% and 15% in most polls. In today’s Opinium/Observer poll it is on 14%.
“At a conservative estimate, there look like being 70 to 100 Ukip silver medals at the election and it could well be more,” said Ford, who co-authored a book on the rise of Ukip – Revolt on the Right – with fellow don Matthew Goodwin..
Ukip currently has two MPs following successive byelection wins for Tory defectors Douglas Carswell in Clacton (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2014/oct/10/ukip-wins-clacton-byelection-and-comes-close-second-in-heywood-reaction-politics-live-blog)and Mark Reckless in Rochester and Strood (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2014/nov/20/rochester-and-strood-byelection-results-live-coverage), last autumn. The party is hopeful of winning a handful of others on 7 May, including Thanet South, where Farage is facing a close fight to defeat the Tories.
Ukip’s own strategists believe the party could come second in at least 100 seats in the north alone, as it replaces the severely weakened Tories as the main opposition to Labour, and begins to breathe down the necks of Labour MPs. Ford sees Ukip coming second to several shadow cabinet members including Ed Miliband in Doncaster North, Ed Balls in Morley and Outwood, Yvette Cooper in Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford and Rachel Reeves in Leeds West.
Just as Ukip is on course to replace the Tories as the main opposition in parts of the north, it is set to do the same to Labour and the Lib Dem in parts of the south and south east, and the Lib Dems in the south west. Ford cites Essex, Kent and East Anglian seats – such as Castle Point, Basildon South and East Thurrock, Thanet North, Sittingbourne and Sheppey and Norfolk South West – as examples of where Ukip is likely to secure solid second places. In the south west, Ford says Ukip “will be most likely to gain their silver medals at the expense of the Lib Dems in Conservative-held seats” listing Cambourne and Redruth in Cornwall and Devon South West and Bridgwater and West Somersetas examples. Mark Reckless, the Ukip MP for Rochester and Strood, said he believed the estimate of 100 second places for Ukip was too low. He predicted that their second places in the north would be the beginning of a huge transformation in British politics.
“I do not believe the Tories will win enough seats on May 7 to be able to deliver David Cameron’s plan for an in/out referendum on Europe. It will only be when enough of the third-placed Tories join Ukip in the north that there will be a majority in the House of Commons that we need to change Britain.”
2020 strategy.
If Labour have to form a Coalition with the SNP after this General Election, an outcome I think is most likely, it really is a nightmare scenario for them. You'll have the SNP demanding all sorts which will piss off the English voters (and it is the working class voters who tend to identify with Englishness rather than Britishness mostly) and at the same time they'll be subjected to by elections in northern areas where, when it was just them and the Tories, they mostly won.
Excuse me for asking, but what's the point of coming second in a FPTP system?
It changes people's perceptions of you as a possible challenger in a seat. Supporters of Labour and the Tories both love to claim they are the only viable opposition in most seats - in England at least. If Ford's analysis is true (a big 'if') then that claim no longer holds water.
The question then becomes one of whether UKIP follow the Labour pattern and become the new normal or the SDP pattern and disappear before the next election.
I have no idea which of those is more likely.
Dead right. There will be by elections in the next parliament and UKIP will be in a far better position if they start from. 2nd. A pattern of victories would take great platform for GE20
What is happening to Labour in Scotland right now could very well happen in the north of England in 2020.
Thoughts?
Ukip on track for 100-plus second places across England
Analysis predicts huge breakthrough as Nigel Farage provides main threat to three parties
http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-620/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/3/7/1425745621494/ukip-second-place-electio-008.jpg
Nigel Farage explains Ukip’s policy on immigration earlier this week. Photograph: Sean Smith for the Guardian
Ukip is on course to come second in at least 100 seats at the general election as it displaces the Tories, Labour and Lib Dems as the main opposition across large parts of the country, according to new analysis of the party’s electoral prospects on 7 May. The extraordinary potential haul of Ukip “silver medals” – in an addition to a likely tally of half-a-dozen or so seats at Westminster – would represent a massive breakthrough for Nigel Farage’s anti-EU party, which failed to achieve even a single second place in 2010.
The analysis, conducted by Robert Ford at the University of Manchester for the Observer, suggests that the biggest threat to the established parties from Ukip will come in future local and national elections after May, once it has put down local roots and established itself in the minds of voters as a real alternative to the incumbent party. It also means that the future of the UK in the EU – normally not a top issue on the doorsteps – will become far more central to election debates, as Ukip candidates press the case for the country to quit the EU and apply pressure for an in/out referendum.
Examining Ukip’s strength, as well as by-elections in this parliament, Ford concludes that Farage’s party will pile up “silver medals” across industrial and urban regions in the north, as well in parts of the Midlands, the south east and East Anglia and the south west. The party is polling at between 10% and 15% in most polls. In today’s Opinium/Observer poll it is on 14%.
“At a conservative estimate, there look like being 70 to 100 Ukip silver medals at the election and it could well be more,” said Ford, who co-authored a book on the rise of Ukip – Revolt on the Right – with fellow don Matthew Goodwin..
Ukip currently has two MPs following successive byelection wins for Tory defectors Douglas Carswell in Clacton (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2014/oct/10/ukip-wins-clacton-byelection-and-comes-close-second-in-heywood-reaction-politics-live-blog)and Mark Reckless in Rochester and Strood (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2014/nov/20/rochester-and-strood-byelection-results-live-coverage), last autumn. The party is hopeful of winning a handful of others on 7 May, including Thanet South, where Farage is facing a close fight to defeat the Tories.
Ukip’s own strategists believe the party could come second in at least 100 seats in the north alone, as it replaces the severely weakened Tories as the main opposition to Labour, and begins to breathe down the necks of Labour MPs. Ford sees Ukip coming second to several shadow cabinet members including Ed Miliband in Doncaster North, Ed Balls in Morley and Outwood, Yvette Cooper in Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford and Rachel Reeves in Leeds West.
Just as Ukip is on course to replace the Tories as the main opposition in parts of the north, it is set to do the same to Labour and the Lib Dem in parts of the south and south east, and the Lib Dems in the south west. Ford cites Essex, Kent and East Anglian seats – such as Castle Point, Basildon South and East Thurrock, Thanet North, Sittingbourne and Sheppey and Norfolk South West – as examples of where Ukip is likely to secure solid second places. In the south west, Ford says Ukip “will be most likely to gain their silver medals at the expense of the Lib Dems in Conservative-held seats” listing Cambourne and Redruth in Cornwall and Devon South West and Bridgwater and West Somersetas examples. Mark Reckless, the Ukip MP for Rochester and Strood, said he believed the estimate of 100 second places for Ukip was too low. He predicted that their second places in the north would be the beginning of a huge transformation in British politics.
“I do not believe the Tories will win enough seats on May 7 to be able to deliver David Cameron’s plan for an in/out referendum on Europe. It will only be when enough of the third-placed Tories join Ukip in the north that there will be a majority in the House of Commons that we need to change Britain.”
2020 strategy.
If Labour have to form a Coalition with the SNP after this General Election, an outcome I think is most likely, it really is a nightmare scenario for them. You'll have the SNP demanding all sorts which will piss off the English voters (and it is the working class voters who tend to identify with Englishness rather than Britishness mostly) and at the same time they'll be subjected to by elections in northern areas where, when it was just them and the Tories, they mostly won.
Excuse me for asking, but what's the point of coming second in a FPTP system?
It changes people's perceptions of you as a possible challenger in a seat. Supporters of Labour and the Tories both love to claim they are the only viable opposition in most seats - in England at least. If Ford's analysis is true (a big 'if') then that claim no longer holds water.
The question then becomes one of whether UKIP follow the Labour pattern and become the new normal or the SDP pattern and disappear before the next election.
I have no idea which of those is more likely.
Dead right. There will be by elections in the next parliament and UKIP will be in a far better position if they start from. 2nd. A pattern of victories would take great platform for GE20
What is happening to Labour in Scotland right now could very well happen in the north of England in 2020.
Thoughts?