Nigel Farage would axe 'much of' race discrimination laws

[Chippiewill]

UKIP would scrap much of the legislation designed to prevent racial discrimination in work, party leader Nigel Farage has said.

He was speaking in a Channel 4 documentary to be shown next week.

He says the fact that an employer cannot choose between a Briton and somebody from overseas is "ludicrous".

His comments have been heavily criticised, with Downing Street saying they are "deeply concerning" and Labour branding them "shocking".

Mr Farage was speaking in an interview with the former head of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, Trevor Phillips, for a documentary called Things We Won't Say About Race That Are True.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31846453

I think Nigel just pulled a Godfrey Bloom.

[GommeInc]

Not the finest reasoning. Foreign employees are very good. The Belgians and French are great assets to many businesses in London. Heck, if we sorted out our education system maybe we wouldn't have to rely on overseas help.

[-:Undertaker:-]

His words/what he meant are being twisted YET AGAIN by the press.


My comments to Trevor Phillips were lauding the progress of race relations and equality in this country -- so as to say that racial discrimination in the workplace is almost unheard of nowadays. Britain's media should be proud of this fact instead of trying to do it down.

And I suggest the REAL racists in our society are those who hear me say "British" and think "white". I'm the only leader arguing for Britain's employers to favour British workers, no matter what their colour. And I must say, given the unemployment rates amongst young people , I'm now the only party leader standing up for them, black, white, or otherwise.


What I said on race law was lauding progress of race relations/equality. UK media should be proud of this instead of trying to do it down.

Wilful misinterpretation of what I said. I'm talking Britons, whatever their heritage, being discriminated against in favour of EU migrants.

I said on @BBCr4today (https://twitter.com/BBCr4today) that I've made no comments on race. I am the only party leader standing up for British workers, whatever their colour.

And I would suggest the REAL racists in our society are the ones who hear me say "British" and think "white". Deeply concerning.

So basically what he's said is that racism in Britain is more or less thankfully gone, and that racial discrimination laws and discrimination laws in general are now often used by people who genuinely have been sacked for doing a bad job but who play the race/whatever card to sue the employer in retaliation.

All sounds perfectly acceptable and sensible to me. Where's the controversy to be had?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b9/Flag_of_Australia.svg/300px-Flag_of_Australia.svg.png



Australian employers cannot hire immigrant foreign employees until they can prove they cannot get an Australian born applicant _ Vote UKIP British Jobs for British Workers

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2990871/Axe-race-bias-laws-says-Farage-Ukip-leader-wants-legislation-scraped-firms-favour-British-born-candidates.html#ixzz3UAJqNs2l



I am pretty sure that Australia operates a system whereby a job vacancy must be advertised for (I think) six months and that only Australian citizens can apply for it. If the position can't be filled (meaning nobody applies for it) then it is opened up for non citizens. Australia can get away with it and rightly so in my opinion, so we should be able to also. Another tick in the box for UKIP.


Amen, his comments have nothing to do with race nor does the Australian points system Farage wants to implement in Great Britain.

[Okeanos]

His words/what he meant are being twisted YET AGAIN by the press.





So basically what he's said is that racism in Britain is more or less thankfully gone, and that racial discrimination laws and discrimination laws in general are now often used by people who genuinely have been sacked for doing a bad job but who play the race/whatever card to sue the employer in retaliation.

All sounds perfectly acceptable and sensible to me. Where's the controversy to be had?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b9/Flag_of_Australia.svg/300px-Flag_of_Australia.svg.png







Amen, his comments have nothing to do with race nor does the Australian points system Farage wants to implement in Great Britain.



Is there anything a UKIP offical can say that you won't defend? You would have been a Nazi in 1930s Germany I bet. Why are you so devoted to UKIP? Any reasonably intelligent person knows that the UK can never and will never leave the EU, so why are you wasting your time? Time to grow up I think.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Is there anything a UKIP offical can say that you won't defend? You would have been a Nazi in 1930s Germany I bet. Why are you so devoted to UKIP?

You haven't addressed anything I have just said.

And as a libertarian-conservative i'm the literal polar opposite to a national socialist, so yeah.


Any reasonably intelligent person knows that the UK can never and will never leave the EU, so why are you wasting your time? Time to grow up I think.

And what are tomorrows lottery numbers?

British parliamentary democracy and sovereignty survived hundreds of years of attempted invasions, we will defeat a paper bureaucracy. No doubt about it.

[Kardan]

Giving someone a job over someone else purely because they are British is definitely not a good thing in my books, so it's a good thing we'll never see this enforced.

[peteyt]

Giving someone a job over someone else purely because they are British is definitely not a good thing in my books, so it's a good thing we'll never see this enforced.

The problem is that sometimes people from overseas get the jobs before us or so it seems. I don't think I'll be voting UKIP, I don't really know who if anyone to vote for but unemployment is an issue and yet more and more people come into our country

[Kardan]

The problem is that sometimes people from overseas get the jobs before us or so it seems. I don't think I'll be voting UKIP, I don't really know who if anyone to vote for but unemployment is an issue and yet more and more people come into our country

And so they should if they're better qualified for the job.

And unemployment may be an issue, but unemployment is at it's lowest levels for years and the percentage of people working in the UK is at a record high since records began in 1971. So we've certainly had it much, much worse.

[FlyingJesus]

The problem is that sometimes people from overseas get the jobs before us or so it seems

Yes but not because they're foreign

[-:Undertaker:-]

As Gordon Brown said: "British jobs for British workers".

Every other country, like Australia, puts its people first and so should we.


And so they should if they're better qualified for the job.

If they are better qualified in terms of nurses, doctors and scientists then sure, nobody argues that we shouldn't allow them into the country to settle in numbers that we can manage: provided they have financial independence, good health and skills that we actually require in that they do not flood the domestic labour market. But in regards to most migrant work, as in unskilled work such as picking vegtables, there's really not much skill required that would make a foreign worker any better than a Briton doing the work: in those jobs Britons should be put first I am sure you would agree.

If farmers and low skilled places of work cannot secure enough British workers (which I think is often overblown but which will happen out there) then perhaps many of them, in order to bring in migrants, should show that they have first raised the salary so it makes it attractive to Britons who have the disadvantage compared to foreign migrants of having a house of their own and a family to feed.

I have no idea why anybody would oppose an Australian points based system as Farage is proposing.


I am pretty sure that Australia operates a system whereby a job vacancy must be advertised for (I think) six months and that only Australian citizens can apply for it. If the position can't be filled (meaning nobody applies for it) then it is opened up for non citizens. Australia can get away with it and rightly so in my opinion, so we should be able to also.

What's wrong with that? It's common sense.


And unemployment may be an issue, but unemployment is at it's lowest levels for years and the percentage of people working in the UK is at a record high since records began in 1971. So we've certainly had it much, much worse.

A lot of unemployment is off the books, not disputing the economy is better at the moment than a few years ago though.


Yes but not because they're foreign

Numerous companies have been caught advertising solely in Eastern European countries.

I haven't a problem with foreign workers coming in, scientists and all that are entirely welcome: it is unskilled labour that is the problem as most of the jobs are unskilled labour which migrants come in for. The point is, the system now has to stop where British companies can literally freeze the wages for years on end because they know that if the British won't do it for that wage rate (simply because they can't afford to) then they can ship in hundreds of thousands of workers who will live 6 to a room.

[Okeanos]

British parliamentary democracy and sovereignty survived hundreds of years of attempted invasions, we will defeat a paper bureaucracy. No doubt about it.

Okay, but in 10 years' time when nothing at all has changed and UKIP has disappeared off the political radar, remember that I told you so.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Okay, but in 10 years' time when nothing at all has changed and UKIP has disappeared off the political radar, remember that I told you so.

Sure thing.

You lot told us ten years ago we were going to join the Euro and it was inevitable. If it wasn't for Business for Sterling, Ukip, the Referendum Party and Tory and Labour backbenchers then we would have joined as the EU, main parties and media wanted us to. We've beaten you before and we'll do it again.

[The Don]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2013/10/15/1381841814778/Maurice-Mcleod-008.jpg

Absolutely bonkers, although I can't say i'm surprised about anything UKIP says or does at this point. I guess Farage and co would like to bring back the lovely discrimination that was rampant in the 50's and 60's.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Absolutely bonkers, although I can't say i'm surprised about anything UKIP says or does at this point. I guess Farage and co would like to bring back the lovely discrimination that was rampant in the 50's and 60's.

Yeah... except that isn't what he advocates though is it.

You know very well he said that employers should be free to discriminate and pick British workers (of all colours) over foreign workers. Perfectly fair.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJifqiTj_Ow


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[The Don]

Yeah... except that isn't what he advocates though is it.

You know very well he said that employers should be free to discriminate and pick British workers (of all colours) over foreign workers. Perfectly fair.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJifqiTj_Ow


Like Australia.
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No, here's what he said.

Phillips asks: “In Ukip-land there would be no law against discrimination on the grounds of nationality. Would there be a law against discrimination on the grounds or race or colour?”
“No,” Nigel Farage responds.

Farage wants employers to be able to racially discriminate.

[-:Undertaker:-]

No, here's what he said.

Phillips asks: “In Ukip-land there would be no law against discrimination on the grounds of nationality. Would there be a law against discrimination on the grounds or race or colour?”
“No,” Nigel Farage responds.

Farage wants employers to be able to racially discriminate.

Because the act can be used for nationality rather than race, I personally would simply amend the act.

But you are confused. Abolishing or amending a law doesn't mean endorsing the potential consequences of doing so. I wouldn't want smoking made illegal for instance, yet do I endorse smoking? No, I think it is stupid. I didn't support going into Iraq... but did I endorse the Saddam Hussein Ba'ath regime? No. Do I believe drugs like cannabis should always be illegal? No, but I think you are stupid if you take any drugs like that. It's the same sort of warped argument I always get when I oppose any EU law that "oh you must support overfishing or chemicals in our food then" erm no, just there's other principles at stake/ways of doing things.

Until you can understand that difference, then don't bother replying. If you can, then sound.

[The Don]

Because the act can be used for nationality rather than race, I personally would simply amend the act.

But you are confused. Abolishing a law doesn't mean endorsing the potential consequences of doing so. I wouldn't want smoking made illegal for instance, yet do I endorse smoking? No, I think it is stupid. I didn't support going into Iraq... but did I endorse the Saddam Hussein Ba'ath regime? No. It's the same sort of warped argument I always get when I oppose any EU law that "oh you must support overfishing or chemicals in our food then" erm no.

Until you can understand that difference, then don't bother replying. If you can, then sound.

Ah so he may not want racism he only wants to allow people the choice to be racist, I see.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Ah so he may not want racism he only wants to allow people the choice to be racist, I see.

Well no he's actually saying people should be allowed to discriminate in favour of British workers of all colours, which is quite anti-racist really.

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[The Don]

Well no he's actually saying people should be allowed to discriminate in favour of British workers of all colours, which is quite anti-racist really.

Actions speak louder than words. Wanting to abolish anti-discrimination and anti-racism laws means he wants people to be able to freely discriminate when employing people. If that's what you and farage want then more for you, but I certainly don't want to have my job opportunities hampered due to the colour of my skin.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Actions speak louder than words. Wanting to abolish anti-discrimination and anti-racism laws means he wants people to be able to freely discriminate when employing people. If that's what you and farage want then more for you

[...]


"Nigel Farage wants British jobs for Black and White British workers"
And the left-wing response to this is:
"Farage doesn't want British jobs to go to Asians"

Sums it up to a teet.


but I certainly don't want to have my job opportunities hampered due to the colour of my skin.

Ah, interesting. But it's okay to ruin the job opportunites and wage rates through your open EU mass immigration, isn't it?

[The Don]

“In Ukip-land there would be no law against discrimination on the grounds of nationality. Would there be a law against discrimination on the grounds or race or colour?”
“No,” Nigel Farage responds.

However you spin it, Farage wants to allow racism and discrimination in the workplace.

[-:Undertaker:-]

“In Ukip-land there would be no law against discrimination on the grounds of nationality. Would there be a law against discrimination on the grounds or race or colour?”
“No,” Nigel Farage responds.

However you spin it, Farage wants to allow racism and discrimination in the workplace.

No, you are spinning it as though he wants black people and brown people to be turned away from pubs and shops. Absurd and hysterical.

He's clearly said he'd scrap the current anti-discrimination laws such as the Racial Relations bill as those acts make discrimination on the grounds of nationality illegal. Polls show that the British public support discrimination based on nationality: just like Australia have it. Australians first.


A poll (http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/88q0g7tq8f/YG-Archive-140211-Channel5-Immigration.pdf) last month for Channel 5 found that 67 percent of respondents thought that employers should give priority to British people when recruiting for jobs. Just 20 percent of those asked thought that employers should not give priority to British people and 12 percent didn’t know.

Would you not agree with him also that racism is such a non-issue in this country that strict laws on racial discrimination are now redundant?

Institute for Economic Affairs Director-General backs Farage



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N0jJWZX6Es


Comment after comment on all the news sites are in support of Farage so this little media drama has failed.

And it's interesting how you haven't responded to my point on how British workers are having their job chances ruined by mass immigration.

[peteyt]

In the video he even says he doesn't want to abolish the race relation laws, he just wants to relax the employment laws. I might not agree with everything the he and the party say's and do but I believe British people, as in people living in this country, regardless of race, religion, colour etc. should be favoured over people from overseas.

In Australia don't you need specific skills to actually become a citizen? We need something like that - Basically allowing the people needed such as doctor's and so on and only allowing others if they are needed e.g. the employer hasn't got enough british workers and needs extra.

To me what Farage in a sense is doing, is trying to remove the political correctness that ruins the country. I feel politicians are often too scared of their own shadow.

[The Don]

"We're not racist, we just want to let people discriminate based on race"

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2013/10/15/1381841814778/Maurice-Mcleod-008.jpg

This comment chain made me laugh, it's so accurate.

"It's outrageous how the media keep misrepresenting Nigel Farage by broadcasting what he says."
http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/farage-ukip-government-could-scrap-race-discrimination-laws

"It's truly despicable how they quote him precisely. Incredibly misleading."

Interviewer: "So, in UKIP Land there would be no law against discrimination on the grounds of nationality. Would there be a law against discrimination upon the grounds of race or colour?"
Farage: "No... You know, we are colour blind. We as a party are colour blind"

"I really wish they'd stop reporting UKIPs insane policies and focus more on Nigel having a laugh with the lads in the pub."
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00410/127253244_Farage_410432c.jpg

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In the video he even says he doesn't want to abolish the race relation laws, he just wants to relax the employment laws. I might not agree with everything the he and the party say's and do but I believe British people, as in people living in this country, regardless of race, religion, colour etc. should be favoured over people from overseas.

In Australia don't you need specific skills to actually become a citizen? We need something like that - Basically allowing the people needed such as doctor's and so on and only allowing others if they are needed e.g. the employer hasn't got enough british workers and needs extra.

To me what Farage in a sense is doing, is trying to remove the political correctness that ruins the country. I feel politicians are often too scared of their own shadow.

Watch the video in my link, He clearly says that under ukip there would be no laws preventing discrimination on the grounds of race or colour. There's nothing 'pc' about rejecting job candidates on the basis of their skin, that's straight up racism.

[-:Undertaker:-]

In the video he even says he doesn't want to abolish the race relation laws, he just wants to relax the employment laws. I might not agree with everything the he and the party say's and do but I believe British people, as in people living in this country, regardless of race, religion, colour etc. should be favoured over people from overseas.

In Australia don't you need specific skills to actually become a citizen? We need something like that - Basically allowing the people needed such as doctor's and so on and only allowing others if they are needed e.g. the employer hasn't got enough british workers and needs extra.

To me what Farage in a sense is doing, is trying to remove the political correctness that ruins the country. I feel politicians are often too scared of their own shadow.

Indeed, it's people like Akeam who can't debate properly and who show the racism card every 5 minutes who ruin and want to stifile discussion in this country.

A little story on what you've just written, my Aunty hired a Spanish student as a nanny for the children as she and my Uncle were working a lot. The Spanish nanny remarked to my Aunty that she couldn't believe how employers in this country wouldn't break the law and discriminate in favour of British workers over foreign workers as back in her native Spain she said that was exactly what Spanish employers did and that it was right that they did. I agree 100% with her as did my Aunty.