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-:Undertaker:-
17-03-2015, 11:50 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/03/17/cameron-reneges-on-promise-to-veto-new-eu-member-states-leaving-britain-open-to-further-waves-of-immigraton/

Cameron Reneges on Promise to Veto New EU Member States, Leaving Britain Open to Further Waves of Immigraton


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Ukip has accused Prime Minister David Cameron of breaking “another” promise on immigration, after the EU’s Foreign Ministers, including Britain’s Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond, gave the go-ahead to Bosnia and Herzegovina to apply for EU membership. Mr Cameron had previously promised to veto any new member states unless the treaty rules on free movement of peoples was altered to prevent mass migrations.

Bosnia and Herzegovina, located in the Balkan peninsula in south east Europe, currently suffers from an unemployment rate of 44 percent. The average salary (http://www.salaryexplorer.com/salary-survey.php?&loctype=1&loc=27) for those who do manage to find work is just £475 a month, but corruption is rife (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAkzza36qiA) with some party nominated officials earning as much as £15,000 a month.

Indeed, conditions are much the same as those in Romania, where the average salary is also £475 a month. Unemployment (http://countryeconomy.com/unemployment/romania) there was running at nearly 25 percent in 2013 for under-25-year-olds, but has now dropped to just 5 percent for that demographic, or just over 6 percent overall thanks to restrictions on movement around the EU being lifted.

Meanwhile, over 187,000 Romanians applied for a National Insurance number in Britain in 2014, up from 27,700 the year before, allowing them to work in the UK. It is thought that the majority of those who applied were already living in Britain and had been working illegally.

The President of Romania, Traian Băsescu, was happy to admit (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11076853/Immigration-to-Britain-cuts-Romanian-unemployment.html) last year that migration had helped his country overcome its employment crisis – and that the money sent back to Romania by workers abroad was helping to keep his country afloat.

“The reality that a part of Romanian peoples decide to find more work outside of Romania is something helping us very much – maintaining the unemployment at a reasonable rate. During the crisis period the remittances for Romania practically kept our foreign trade balance calibrated.” he said, although he did tell Radio 4 that he would be happy to take them back, once Romania was on its feet again, saying: “I’d like it to be understood, as soon as the Romanian economic conditions allow we will be ready to invite them back. Romania needs these people.”

Thanks to the reality of mass migration across the EU from poorer to richer member states, David Cameron had called for the principle of free movement to be re-examined. At an EU Summit in December 2013, he said that the criteria used when negotiating entry for new member states needed revising to end “mass population movements”.

“As we contemplate countries like Serbia or Albania one day joining the EU we must find a way to slow down access to each other’s labour markets until we can be sure that it will not cause vast migrations,” he said. “We need to return the principle of free movement to a more sensible basis and make it clear that it cannot be a completely unqualified right.

“We do need to re-examine this. It’s about sending a signal.”

At that meeting, he suggested that Britain would veto any new member states until the rules were changed.

However, the veto appears to have been quietly forgotten, as Bosnia and Herzegovina has now been given the green light to apply for EU membership. At a Foreign Affairs Council Meeting which took place today attended by all Foreign Secretaries of the EU nations, it was decided that the country could apply, as long as it made “meaningful progress” on a number of social and political reforms as stipulated by the EU.

Responding to today’s decision, UKIP MEP Jim Carver, who sits on the European Parliament’s Foreign Affairs committee, told Breitbart London: “How does this approval by the UK’s Foreign Office assist the employment prospects of the many unskilled workers in the UK? I would say not at all.

“Given that Bosnia and Herzegovina has an unemployment rate of 44 percent, and that David Cameron promised that when negotiating the entry of new members he would change the criteria to curb “mass population movements”, it would appear that he has not kept his promise to veto the entry of new countries unless the rules changed.

“Another day, another broken promise from the Tory Party – it is clear they cannot be trusted.”

Oh how fantastic, yet another bankrupt tinpot country that wants to suck on our teet. The only good news I guess is that the more mass immigration into northern European countries as well as spiralling bills to pay for the leech countries will sow the seeds of its own demise sooner rather than later.

You know the Conservatives are full of **** when they talk about renegotiation because why would you agree to grant membership without asking for something first in return, such as border controls (which they know they won't get anyway even if they asked). It's all one big con.

Thoughts?

GommeInc
17-03-2015, 05:49 PM
To be fair they're only applying - they have a long, long way to go to become part of the EU and there are so many criteria for them to abide by. They wouldn't be able to become a member with the current state of affairs.

-:Undertaker:-
17-03-2015, 06:35 PM
To be fair they're only applying - they have a long, long way to go to become part of the EU and there are so many criteria for them to abide by. They wouldn't be able to become a member with the current state of affairs.

Greece, Spain and the other bankrupt southern European countries all got admitted into the Euro when it was clear they hadn't met the criteria.

Brussels is a house of cards.

The Don
17-03-2015, 06:47 PM
Greece, Spain and the other bankrupt southern European countries all got admitted into the Euro when it was clear they hadn't met the criteria.

Brussels is a house of cards.

It wasn't clear that Greece hadn't met the criteria. They lied and fudged their numbers so that they appeared to have met the criteria in order to get admitted.

GommeInc
17-03-2015, 06:47 PM
Greece, Spain and the other bankrupt southern European countries all got admitted into the Euro when it was clear they hadn't met the criteria.

Brussels is a house of cards.
True, they lied about meeting the criteria and led the entire area into problems. The Commission are so disorganised.

-:Undertaker:-
17-03-2015, 07:00 PM
It wasn't clear that Greece hadn't met the criteria. They lied and fudged their numbers so that they appeared to have met the criteria in order to get admitted.

ECB/EU knew Greece and the others were fixing the figures, but let them in anyway because the Euro was political in its purpose and not economic.

The Don
17-03-2015, 07:03 PM
ECB/EU knew Greece and the others were fixing the figures, but let them in anyway because the Euro was political in its purpose and not economic.

[Citation Needed]

-:Undertaker:-
17-03-2015, 07:12 PM
[Citation Needed]

Why would I bother, no matter what I post and no matter who says it you'll still dispute it or defend the EU. Nevertheless, here's a BBC article from 2004 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4012869.stm) where Greece even admitted telling lies about entry yet the EU still refused to act. It's well documented that the ECB and EU have known for years what was going on but instead, as usual, pressed ahead with the project because nothing matters to them than grabbing more and more power from the member states.

Everybody right knew these countries weren't suited to the Eurozone years ago when it was first launched, right down to my Dad and Grandad back when I was a kid on holiday in Spain remarking how prices had risen as a result and how it was all going to end in disaster. And that's exactly what happened.

You'd have to be an idiot to know Greece and the others weren't cooking the books (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Financial_Audit,_2004), which I guess explains the conduct of the EU/ECB.

The Don
17-03-2015, 07:30 PM
Why would I bother, no matter what I post and no matter who says it you'll still dispute it or defend the EU. Nevertheless, here's a BBC article from 2004 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4012869.stm) where Greece even admitted telling lies about entry yet the EU still refused to act. It's well documented that the ECB and EU have known for years what was going on but instead, as usual, pressed ahead with the project because nothing matters to them than grabbing more and more power from the member states.

Everybody right knew these countries weren't suited to the Eurozone years ago when it was first launched, right down to my Dad and Grandad back when I was a kid on holiday in Spain remarking how prices had risen as a result and how it was all going to end in disaster. And that's exactly what happened.

You'd have to be an idiot to know Greece and the others weren't cooking the books (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Financial_Audit,_2004), which I guess explains the conduct of the EU/ECB.

If it's well documented that the EU knew Greece was lying about their numbers at the time of accession why don't you link me to something to back it up rather than an article about Greece admitting to lying to the EU after already gaining entry.

-:Undertaker:-
17-03-2015, 07:43 PM
If it's well documented that the EU knew Greece was lying about their numbers at the time of accession why don't you link me to something to back it up rather than an article about Greece admitting to lying to the EU after already gaining entry.

Because even if you dispute that the EU/ECB didn't know before the Eurozone was floated at the turn of the century, it still didn't act in 2004 when Greece actually admitted to lying or in 2002 when the EU/ECB could no longer go on ignoring it: yet they did go on ignoring it. From then on, it continued to get worse and worse and the ECB and EU still didn't do anything about it. Why? Because as I keep saying, it was never about economics and was always about politics.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16834815

A simple examination of the finances of these countries even before the Eurozone was created and was in the planning stages would have told you something was not right, indeed the Wikipedia article I linked you to above pointed out how until 1994 - when the Maastricht Treaty which laid the groundwork for the Euro was ratified in late 1993 - the Greek figures suddenly started showing a completely different picture to what had previously been the case. Anybody with the most basic sense of economics knows the difference between the economies of Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal compared with Great Britain, France and Germany: the divide has existed for centuries. A currency union between these countries to most right-thinking people was as absurd then as it is now.

The EU/ECB did not care as although they did not commit the deception themselves, they are guilty of either self-deception, gross incompetance or collusion.

The Don
17-03-2015, 07:50 PM
Because even if you dispute that the EU/ECB didn't know before the Eurozone was floated at the turn of the century, it still didn't act in 2004 when Greece actually admitted to lying or in 2002 when the EU/ECB could no longer go on ignoring it: yet they did go on ignoring it. From then on, it continued to get worse and worse and the ECB and EU still didn't do anything about it. Why? Because as I keep saying, it was never about economics and was always about politics.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16834815

A simple examination of the finances of these countries even before the Eurozone was created and was in the planning stages would have told you something was not right, indeed the Wikipedia article I linked you to above pointed out how until 1994 - when the Maastricht Treaty which laid the groundwork for the Euro was ratified in late 1993 - the Greek figures suddenly started showing a completely different picture to what had previously been the case. Anybody with the most basic sense of economics knows the difference between the economies of Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal compared with Great Britain, France and Germany: the divide has existed for centuries.

The EU/ECB did not care as although they did not commit the deception themselves, they are guilty of either self-deception, gross incompetance or collusion.

I'm not questioning the political intentions of the Eurozone. You made a false statement (made apparent from the lack of any source to back it up) "ECB/EU knew Greece and the others were fixing the figures, but let them in anyway because the Euro was political in its purpose and not economic.". In the future don't try and pass your opinions off as fact unless you can actually provide proof to your claims.

-:Undertaker:-
17-03-2015, 07:52 PM
I'm not questioning the political intentions of the Eurozone. You made a false statement (made apparent from the lack of any source to back it up) "ECB/EU knew Greece and the others were fixing the figures, but let them in anyway because the Euro was political in its purpose and not economic.". In the future don't try and pass your opinions off as fact unless you can actually provide proof to your claims.

So you admit they are stupid and completely incompetent?

The Don
17-03-2015, 07:53 PM
So you admit they are stupid and completely incompetent?

How did you get to that from me asking you to not spread misinformation

-:Undertaker:-
17-03-2015, 07:56 PM
How did you get to that from me asking you to not spread misinformation

If you had read the links I sent they show clearly that even before the Eurozone was officially launched you could see that something was afoot, yet the European Commission and to-be ECB decided to ignore the warning signs (as well as the historical disparity). So as I said, EU institutions either knew they were being fixed and decided to go along with it, were too incompetent to spot the obvious warning signs OR deluded themselves which is exactly what you are doing now.

Which one is it? I say they knew about it and decided to go along with it for political purposes.

The Don
17-03-2015, 08:03 PM
If you had read the links I sent they show clearly that even before the Eurozone was officially launched you could see that something was afoot, yet the European Commission and to-be ECB decided to ignore the warning signs (as well as the historical disparity). So as I said, EU institutions either knew they were being fixed and decided to go along with it, were too incompetent to spot the obvious warning signs OR deluded themselves which is exactly what you are doing now.

Which one is it? I say they knew about it and decided to go along with it for political purposes.

I have a sneaking suspicion that my uncle jimmy is gay, that doesn't make it correct for me to parade around telling people with 100% certainty that he is as I don't have any proof.

-:Undertaker:-
17-03-2015, 08:09 PM
I have a sneaking suspicion that my uncle jimmy is gay, that doesn't make it correct for me to parade around telling people with 100% certainty that he is as I don't have any proof.

I'm so done.

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