General Election 2015

[AgnesIO]

Thought it would be interesting to have a general chat thread about the General Election.. just airing your views randomly without the need for a news article!

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A few days ago we had questions to our candidates here. Marginal seat; only candidates worth looking at are Labour and Conservative though. The others lack any real support.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Nothing really exciting given I live jointly in two hardcore Labour seats. Had a few leaflets.

On a personal level I have convinced/know of four Tory family members now voting Ukip, one former Labour family member voting Ukip, three friends from traditional Labour families voting Ukip (as well as their family members) and one friend who is convincing his mother to jump too. Another friend who identifies as left wing is also going purple after I convinced him and after he saw Farage in the Debates. So I think i've done a pretty good job in that regard. :P

I reckon, including my own, that's nearly 15+ people i've influenced in some way.

Another thought is this, especially for the Tory Party: many people have already posted their ballots via postal votes. Slim chance even with a late swing to win.

[lemons]

the seat where i live is a safe conservative seat but where i lived before is very marginal apparently between labours joan ryan and conservatives nick de bois

nick de bois i see all the time even when election stuff isn't going on but joan ryan who lost her seat in 2010 i never see around and i read she spent the most during the expenses scandal

[Inseriousity.]

I voted in postal vote. More interested in mayoral election over here. Good candidate being smeared by Labour so it's 50/50 how it could go.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I voted in postal vote. More interested in mayoral election over here. Good candidate being smeared by Labour so it's 50/50 how it could go.

Is your area that one that's having loads of votes on the same day, I heard there was a place in England having like 4 ballots on 7th May.

[Inseriousity.]

Ours is 3, not us.

[buttons]

my mum is voting for me (proxy vote) since i won't be at home to!
i only know my snp candidate, politics isn't a huge thing here and the only people who bother with us are SNP people

[Kardan]

We've got local council elections happening on 7th May as well, and the only info we've had for that is from the Labour candidate, all the other parties have only bothered with the general election material. My constituency is too close to call between Con and Lab, but I reckon Con will hold on to it.

I'm really debating whether to stay up Thursday night and watch the results, not sure if I can teach 3 lessons on no sleep.

[AgnesIO]

We've got local council elections happening on 7th May as well, and the only info we've had for that is from the Labour candidate, all the other parties have only bothered with the general election material. My constituency is too close to call between Con and Lab, but I reckon Con will hold on to it.

I'm really debating whether to stay up Thursday night and watch the results, not sure if I can teach 3 lessons on no sleep.

I will be staying up for sure :D

[Kardan]

I hope they get the E4/X Factor/BGT voiceover guy; 'And now... it's time... for the... GENERAL ELECTION RESULTS'.

Then at the end Dermot can come on:

And with 280 seats each, it's deadlock. I can reveal that the party with the least votes and leaving the competition the tonight, is...

[AgnesIO]

I hope they get the E4/X Factor/BGT voiceover guy; 'And now... it's time... for the... GENERAL ELECTION RESULTS'.

Then at the end Dermot can come on:

And with 280 seats each, it's deadlock. I can reveal that the party with the least votes and leaving the competition the tonight, is...

That would be an amazing election results night :D

[-:Undertaker:-]

Kardan; conservative;

With a deadlock it'll go to the Queen instead of Simon. :P

[AgnesIO]

@Kardan (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=3428); @conservative (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=36885);

With a deadlock it'll go to the Queen instead of Simon. :P

"Ed, look, I really like your policies, but please, we must eradicate the paupers."
"Dave, you can be a bit of a ****, can't you? But you are politically right-wing, like me. I'm sorry to say, I'm sending you home. WITH A TICKET TO TEN DOWNING STREET!!!!!!"

[lemons]

lol

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[-:Undertaker:-]

Interesting polls out tonight regarding two of the party leaders and their constituency battles. Both on a knife edge.

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And more general polling which is what anybody who follows the polls know: the Tories having a lead of even 3% isn't good enough.

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[Inseriousity.]

Is anyone staying up for it? I was going to but then some of the results are in at like 7am and I thought it'd finish at 4am :(

[lemons]

yes i will stay up until i get tired

[scottish]

vote labour

[AgnesIO]

Is anyone staying up for it? I was going to but then some of the results are in at like 7am and I thought it'd finish at 4am :(

Any idea what time South Thanet is estimated?

[Inseriousity.]

There's a website with them all on somewhere. lemme see if I can find it. iirc though thats one of the late ones.

edit: yep
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/11560314/Election-2015-results-what-time-does-each-constituency-declare.html

7am

[-:Undertaker:-]

From the latest data but generally as well, it looks as though the 'swivel eyed lunatics' like myself are going to plunge the knife in Dave's Tories.

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Is anyone staying up for it? I was going to but then some of the results are in at like 7am and I thought it'd finish at 4am :(

Yes I don't think I can be bothered staying up, they all seem very late.

Usually though with target seats like South Thanet, Sheffield Hallam, Thurrock you'll have an idea of the result based on what the parties are saying earlier.


vote labour

...but don't if you care about English girls under the age of 16.

[GommeInc]

Apparently my constituency is a tight race between the Conservatives and Labour, and maybe the Lib Dems. It's quite shocking as it used to be a Conservative stronghold.

[MKR&*42]

4:30am is when my constituency is expected to declare jfc.

Well I wake up at 6am so I can just check then and on the way to work :P

And I expect the overall result to be the same as 2010 (due to the LDs demise) and the same as every election before that going back to the '80s:


2010 Result:
Conservative: 25114 (51.6%)
Labour: 3239 (6.7%)
Lib Dem: 17631 (36.2%)
Green: 599 (1.2%)
UKIP: 1908 (3.9%)
Independent: 208 (0.4%)
MAJORITY: 7483 (15.4%)

Sitting MP: James Gray (Con)

I can't help but feel I will be disappointed with any outcome of this election. I don't want another Labour government, but I don't think the conservatives will improve this country greatly in any way over the next few years.

And God help England if the SNP get involved.

[Earthquake]

I hope they get the E4/X Factor/BGT voiceover guy; 'And now... it's time... for the... GENERAL ELECTION RESULTS'.

Then at the end Dermot can come on:

And with 280 seats each, it's deadlock. I can reveal that the party with the least votes and leaving the competition the tonight, is...

that pretty much would be amazing, and sum up the general population of the public.

whatever happens in this general election, UKIP deserved the majority of votes considering they are passionate about the country and have actually finally reached to millions of people of change needed.

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although i do not agree on Russell brands view of UKIP, I agree entirely of his view on conservative.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwGBTcIHN0U

[-:Undertaker:-]

Here's some of tonights polls, could be final polls for some pollsters.

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[Earthquake]

Liberal Democrats are a joke party. ran into bed with the torys and ended up doing nothing.

[dbgtz]

I saw someone on my FB changed their profile picture to this:
http://i.imgur.com/kkVWbQ7.jpg
Seems a little bit sexist to me :S

[-:Undertaker:-]

A lot of Tories talking about staying in office even if they can't form a majority with other parties....

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[AgnesIO]

I saw someone on my FB changed their profile picture to this:
http://i.imgur.com/kkVWbQ7.jpg
Seems a little bit sexist to me :S

Wow, a poster from 1945 suporting the Nuclear Family. What a shock!!

[dbgtz]

Wow, a poster from 1945 suporting the Nuclear Family. What a shock!!

It's more the fact it's being used now, by a girl... A girl who is supposedly intelligent...

[lemons]

i'm excited for tomoz

[-:Undertaker:-]

Nigel Farage vs some idiot on the last day of the campaign who is lost for words at the end.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7siOWqeKqKA


"Are you a Cromwellian puritan?" lmao.

[AgnesIO]

Nigel Farage vs some idiot on the last day of the campaign who is lost for words at the end.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7siOWqeKqKA


"Are you a Cromwellian puritan?" lmao.

Obviously (news to nobody) I do not support UKIP. However, that guy was a complete turd - at least have a strong argument, he was just embarrassing.

[-:Undertaker:-]

An hour until polls open.

I'm going to go the library to finish this essay and then go and vote.

[Martin]

Who will be staying up tonight to watch the results? :D

They should totally do it in eurovision format and go round each polling station getting their votes!


"Conservative Party - Nul Points"

[buttons]

hi guys can someone give me info of channel and times please?? i want to watch. hopefully my mum remembers to vote and gets the right one since she's doing a proxy vote for me.

[Jazz]

think i may miss my constituencies announcement

http://i.imgur.com/HbWMp6X.png

voting later

[lemons]

hi guys can someone give me info of channel and times please?? i want to watch. hopefully my mum remembers to vote and gets the right one since she's doing a proxy vote for me.

BBC, ITV, Sky and Channel 4 are all doing coverage from around 9/10pm all through the night

You can find out what time a certain constituency declares here - http://election.pressassociation.com/Declaration_times/general_2015_by_time.php

[buttons]

aw mine is 4am, don't think i'l be staying up

[The Don]

Just got back from voting. There was only one campaigner outside (from the conservatives) who I had a chat with. The two coordinators who were running the polling station said that around 200 people (from a possible 1000) had voted already. Quite a big turnout I guess... Especially considering most people will probably vote after they've finished work...

[FlyingJesus]

I can't find my polling card thing where it is who took it

[Inseriousity.]

THE BEEEEEEEEEEES
lmaooo

UKIP candidate missed off in Darlington. UKIP supporters shouting conspiracy.

[FlyingJesus]

If that's the case we need MORE BEES


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYtXuBN1Hvc

[Oleh]

Voted UKIP.

http://i.imgur.com/W57JYIg.jpg

[Aiden]

my school had a mock election, voted labour haha.

+ my local mp followed me on twitter :') feeling loved lol

[Empired]

Got back from voting a few minutes ago :) Was quite busy and had another nice chat with our local Conservative candidate.

[MKR&*42]

Liberal Democrats are a joke party. ran into bed with the torys and ended up doing nothing.

Yeah they've done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING (http://whatthehellhavethelibdemsdone.com) (regardless of whether you agree or disagree with the actions).

Sure they're nowhere near as prominent as the Conservatives and Nick Clegg isn't exactly the best leader one could hope for, but they've achieved more than any Liberal Party has in the last God knows how many years.

And I would imagine cuts would have been way, way more extensive if the Lib Dems weren't there to block some of them.
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I am voting in 30 minutes or so, but I'm torn between 2 parties it would seem.

[Kardan]

Just voted, never seen a polling station so busy in the few years I've been able to vote.

[Samantha]

Mines announced at 5am... I'm up at 6 for work, so I guess an hour might not make much difference.

[Charz777]

Voted :) I will stay up as late as I can to watch but from experience my attempts to stay awake fail after half 11... so, I'm not going to catch much!

[Evanora]

my constituency announcement comes at 2 so I will probably stay up to see

[AgnesIO]

Conservatives said to have 316 seats in the Exit Polls - absolutely amazing.

[Kardan]

Anyone else heavily surprised by the exit poll?

Con 316
Lab 239

Massive shift towards the Tories? I thought everywhere was predicting that the Tories would lose seats compared to 2010?

[MKR&*42]

I am absolutely astonished at the exit poll, I genuinely cannot believe my eyes.

If the exit poll is correct, the lib dems + cons = a majority. Imagine that :P

[Kardan]

Con + LD = 326.

326 required to form a government. If the exit poll is dead on, then what a result.

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-:Undertaker:-; is drowning his sorrows away that the Tories might be staying in.

[Earthquake]

I already smell conspiracy, had representative of labour handing out tea & biscuits at our local polling station, I kindly took them up on there offer and told them I voted UKIP.

[lemons]

WOW i am shocked

[MKR&*42]

Con + LD = 326.

326 required to form a government. If the exit poll is dead on, then what a result.

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@-:Undertaker:- (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24233); is drowning his sorrows away that the Tories might be staying in.

I think he'd rather Conservatives than Labour in all honesty :P

[dbgtz]

Christ I really hope Lib Dems get 9 seats not 10

[Empired]

Hahaahaha I knew opinion polls would be a bit out but I didn't think it would be like this. I refused to tell anyone who I voted for after I left, and it was really busy anyway so I just walked past everyone.

[Kardan]

I think he'd rather Conservatives than Labour in all honesty :P

I'm sure I read somewhere that he would have anything other than a Tory government.

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Christ I really hope Lib Dems get 9 seats not 10

Even if Con + LD = 326, it'll be a really weak government. All it will take is one rogue MP for them to potentially lose a vote.

[MKR&*42]

I'm sure I read somewhere that he would have anything other than a Tory government.

Oh really, that actually surprises me :P

[Kardan]

Also, how bad would it be that the Lib Dems are losing over 80% of their seats but will still be part of the government if the exit poll plays out.

Harriet Harman trying to save the night :(

[lemons]

im happy for snp!

predicted 58/59 seats

[Earthquake]

everyone here hoping for conservative to win clearly influenced by the media

[Martin]

I don't get the exit poll and how reliable it is!

I didn't get asked who I voted for or anything? :S

[MKR&*42]

I feel so bad for the Lib Dems rn, but hopefully (if they don't get back into government) then this can be the path towards Nick Clegg being forced out as leader.

One can only hope.

[xxMATTGxx]

im happy for snp!

predicted 58/59 seats

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[AgnesIO]

everyone here hoping for conservative to win clearly influenced by the media

Am I hearing someone already drowning their sorrows at UKIP's results? hahahahahahaha

Would be shocked if the exit polls are right, but hope they are so Lord Ashcroft can eat his hat.

[MKR&*42]

I don't get the exit poll and how reliable it is!

I didn't get asked who I voted for or anything? :S

They're not allowed to ask who you voted for, but 'how you voted' (I don't know what exactly they ask you). Not everyone is asked :P

[AgnesIO]

I don't get the exit poll and how reliable it is!

I didn't get asked who I voted for or anything? :S

They can't ask at every polling station, but they ask people as they come out who they voted for. I believe sky/itv/c4/bbc all teamed up to produce the poll. That is how they calculate it :) Nothing certain, but they almost got it spot on in 2010.

[Martin]

They're not allowed to ask who you voted for, but 'how you voted' (I don't know what exactly they ask you). Not everyone is asked :P


There wasn't even anyone stood asking ANYONE 'how they voted' when I went :O and it was fairly busy!


Surely just asking a random selection of people 'how they voted' isn't really going to be that accurate? :S

[Earthquake]

please explain to me what conservative & libdems done positive in the last 5 years?

[Martin]

They can't ask at every polling station, but they ask people as they come out who they voted for. I believe sky/itv/c4/bbc all teamed up to produce the poll. That is how they calculate it :) Nothing certain, but they almost got it spot on in 2010.

Ah that makes sense! Still, I think a lot of people might not want to say! :O

[MKR&*42]

There wasn't even anyone stood asking ANYONE 'how they voted' when I went :O and it was fairly busy!


Surely just asking a random selection of people 'how they voted' isn't really going to be that accurate? :S

Marketing has answered you better than I can :P

Oh he's Conservative now isn't he oops.

[Kardan]

please explain to me what conservative & libdems done positive in the last 5 years?

Help to buy scheme?

[The Don]

Surprised at the exit poll... Hopefully it's way off from the actual results.

[lawrawrrr]

how exciting

i wish the exit polls showed what seats, i'd love to know what's predicted for my constituency!!

[dbgtz]

I'm sure I read somewhere that he would have anything other than a Tory government.

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Even if Con + LD = 326, it'll be a really weak government. All it will take is one rogue MP for them to potentially lose a vote.

It's not that it's that I thought my bet was on Lib Dems getting less than 10 seats, but I realised 10 seats and I still win. Though if they get 9 they might shove UKIP in their coalition so I win 2 of my bets :¬:


Help to buy scheme?

Some people would say this is just propping up the expensive housing market.

[Luke]

Sunderland vs Newcastle in the election count. Winner stays in the premier league.

[Earthquake]

Help to buy scheme?

clearly shows how poor conservative are if this is the only thing you can come up.

btw, exit polls were 22'000 voters. there will be around 2 million votes this election

[MKR&*42]

Sunderland South declaring
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UKIP: 8,280
Conservative: 7,105
Liberal Democrat: 791
Labour: 21,218
Green: 1,095

Oh my God even the greens beat the Liberals :'(

[Kardan]

UKIP beats Con in the first seat.

Lab: 1
Con: 0
UKIP: 0

Clearly Labour are winning this whole thing.

#keepthefaithfored

[The Don]

Massive landslide for Labour in Sunderland. Poor Libdems with less than a thousand...

[Kardan]

clearly shows how poor conservative are if this is the only thing you can come up.

btw, exit polls were 22'000 voters. there will be around 2 million votes this election

2 million votes?

Sorry, what?

[Matthew]

clearly shows how poor conservative are if this is the only thing you can come up.

btw, exit polls were 22'000 voters. there will be around 2 million votes this election

you do realise how accurate the exit polls were last time? :P

[Earthquake]

UKIP come second! now thats what I call the country standing up and wanting change!

[Matthew]

UKIP come second! now thats what I call the country standing up and wanting change!

still almost 2million votes to go ;) :P :P

[Kardan]

UKIP come second! now thats what I call the country standing up and wanting change!

No seats for 2nd.

[The Don]

Found this on reddit

For anybody wondering how reliable exit polls were in 2010 here they are:
Exit poll: 307 (Con), 255 (Lab) , 59 (LD)
Reality: 306 (Con), 258 (Lab), 57 (LD)
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8666227.stm[1]

[Inseriousity.]

wow lib dems beaten by greens.

[Kardan]

Am I the only one not surprised that the Lib Dems came last?

[The Don]

wow lib dems beaten by greens.

They didn't even get their deposit back since they didn't get over 1000 votes :P

[Inseriousity.]

I'm not surprised but I wouldn't have expected under 1000 votes.
Dan might be happy to note that the exit poll projected UKIP would be 3rd but they actually ended up 2nd :P

[Kardan]

I'm fearing for Dan's health since he's not on here boasting about UKIP and crying over the exit poll.

Nevermind, he's viewing the thread.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Con + LD = 326.

326 required to form a government. If the exit poll is dead on, then what a result.

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@-:Undertaker:- (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24233); is drowning his sorrows away that the Tories might be staying in.

I've actually just been out drinking and only just got in. :P

The exit poll I am finding really really hard to believe. I cannot believe that after the experience of the pollsters in 1992 as well as the Ukip and Liberal Democrat factors, that the Conservatives would increase in terms of seats. I just cannot see it and so i'm with Lord Ashdown that i'll eat my hat if near enough true.

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[The Don]

I've actually just been out drinking and only just got in. :P

The exit poll I am finding really really hard to believe. I cannot believe that after the experience of the pollsters in 1992 as well as the Ukip and Liberal Democrat factors, that the Conservatives would increase in terms of seats. I just cannot see it and so i'm with Lord Ashdown that i'll eat my hat if near enough true.

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Didn't someone just say they only polled 0.04% of poll stations or something? Surely that would skew things?

[Kardan]

Didn't someone just say they only polled 0.04% of poll stations or something? Surely that would skew things?

154/55,000 stations.
22,000/~30,000,000 voters.

But usually the normal opinion polls are only ~1,000 people.

[MKR&*42]

Only 0.04pcnt of the countries population were asked^

But then the other people were saying it is still far, far more than most other polls record :P

[Kardan]

I've actually just been out drinking and only just got in. :P

The exit poll I am finding really really hard to believe. I cannot believe that after the experience of the pollsters in 1992 as well as the Ukip and Liberal Democrat factors, that the Conservatives would increase in terms of seats. I just cannot see it and so i'm with Lord Ashdown that i'll eat my hat if near enough true.

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So if the seats for Con/Lab/LD are +/- 5 of the result? :P

[Alysha]

I thought welshcake; was having a massive change of heart and actually watching the election results, turns out it was Ru Paul's Drag Race.

That first seat was a really quick count.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Didn't someone just say they only polled 0.04% of poll stations or something? Surely that would skew things?


So if the seats for Con/Lab/LD are +/- 5 of the result? :P

I just don't understand how the Tories can increase on seats when they've got these factors;

- The 2010 Liberal Democrat vote splits much more heavily towards Labour.
- The Ukip vote has a stronger effect on the Conservative vote than it does Labour.
- In England where most marginals are, there has been a swing to Labour from the Conservatives.
- The Liberal Democrat vote tends to hold up much more strongly when on a constituency basis rather than % national swing.

I'm mind blown. :S

[Kardan]

Turnout seems to be lower than the last election so far (I know, only 2 seats isn't a good indicator). I felt like the turnout was higher.

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I'm mind blown. :S

Everyone is.

[MKR&*42]

Tom was saying that because they're generally safe seats, the turnout is bound to be lower :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

Rumours from South Thanet via Ukip sources don't sound good for Farage either with suggestions of third place. Ed Balls also rumoured to be close to the edge.

Time to go to bed I think.

[Kardan]

Rumours from South Thanet via Ukip sources don't sound good for Farage either with suggestions of third place. Ed Balls also rumoured to be close to the edge.

Time to go to bed I think.

Do you think it was wrong of Farage for him to say he would step down if he didn't get his seat?

I think it was silly, I mean, UKIP will be the success story of the election, and a lot of that you could say has come down to Farage, so for him to step down seems a bit hasty for me.

[Joe]

I thought welshcake; was having a massive change of heart and actually watching the election results, turns out it was Ru Paul's Drag Race.

That first seat was a really quick count.

i thought this, it was an amazingly quick turn around!

[The Don]

Rumours from South Thanet via Ukip sources don't sound good for Farage either with suggestions of third place. Ed Balls also rumoured to be close to the edge.

Time to go to bed I think.

Didn't Farage say he would retire if he didn't win his seat?

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Do you think it was wrong of Farage for him to say he would step down if he didn't get his seat?

I think it was silly, I mean, UKIP will be the success story of the election, and a lot of that you could say has come down to Farage, so for him to step down seems a bit hasty for me.

If he doesn't get his seat and retires then that's the end of UKIP. Paul Nuttall as leader? Lmao, he has the charisma of a brick wall.

[Kardan]

Another constituency with UKIP beating Con. 3/3 seats with Greens beating Lib Dems.

[AgnesIO]

UKIP come second! now thats what I call the country standing up and wanting change!
Means nothing in FPTP.


I've actually just been out drinking and only just got in. :P

The exit poll I am finding really really hard to believe. I cannot believe that after the experience of the pollsters in 1992 as well as the Ukip and Liberal Democrat factors, that the Conservatives would increase in terms of seats. I just cannot see it and so i'm with Lord Ashdown that i'll eat my hat if near enough true.

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You better have a video if it is true.


Rumours from South Thanet via Ukip sources don't sound good for Farage either with suggestions of third place. Ed Balls also rumoured to be close to the edge.

Time to go to bed I think.

Brilliant.

[Lewis]

Hopefully Nigel doesn't actually resign if he doesn't get the seat.

I may be an SNPer, but I still kind of like UKIP for whatever reason and respect the party. It wouldn't stand a chance without Nigel.

[AgnesIO]

Hopefully Nigel doesn't actually resign if he doesn't get the seat.

I may be an SNPer, but I still kind of like UKIP for whatever reason and respect the party. It wouldn't stand a chance without Nigel.

Wouldn't want our politicians changing their minds on such big statements now, though, would we?

[FlyingJesus]

I want the exit poll to be proved correct just so I can see Paddy Ashdown eating a hat, that's more important to me than whatever happens to the government

[AgnesIO]

I want the exit poll to be proved correct just so I can see Paddy Ashdown eating a hat, that's more important to me than whatever happens to the government

Agreed.


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Exit polls suggest Conservatives to win Thanet South.

[Kardan]

https://twitter.com/LibDemDeposits

A twitter account keeping score of the deposits lost by the Lib Dems tonight :P

[Sharon]

WHY ARE THEY SO SLOW

[Inseriousity.]

Bored of waiting?
Enter habbox comps to keep you busy at www.habbox.com/comps (http://www.habbox.com/comps)

[AgnesIO]

Bored of waiting?
Enter habbox comps to keep you busy at www.habbox.com/comps (http://www.habbox.com/comps)

YOU HAVE NO SHAME!!! :P

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More thoughts that UKIP have not got Thanet South. Labour doing even worse than exist polls suggested thus far. Looking forward to seeing results fly in!

[AgnesIO]

Labour just received very bad news in Nuneaton. Next up is Battersea - another top target for Labour.

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Polling business is also ****** at the moment - very bad for business.

[2LQ]

Lib dems lost to the Scottish christian party in Stornaway...amazing

Nice result for SNP in Kilmarnock!

[The Don]

SNP are absolutely killing it. Gonna go to bed until 5 since this is moving so slowly.

[AgnesIO]

SNP are absolutely killing it. Gonna go to bed until 5 since this is moving so slowly.

I have been thinking about doing the same :P

Can't believe a 20 year old has made it to parliament. Not sure if I feel happy for her or incredibly jealous!

[2LQ]

Jim murphy lost his seat, this just keeps getting better

[Kyle]

lol this guy thinks he's in every party going eh
http://puu.sh/hFvms.png
it's looking to be a single ukip seat if big nige doesn't manage to get his. poor douglas carswell well be on his lonesome.

this is better than eurovision

omfg vince cable just lost his seat to the conservatives. rest in peace liberal democrats.

[MKR&*42]

Oh my the Lib Dems really are doing awfully. Surprised Clegg has (only just) held his seat tbh :P

I'm interested to see Nigel's result hmmmm

[Kardan]

I stayed up until 4.30, went sleep for 2 hours.

SNP have done as well as predicted, probably even better. But it'sthe Conservative gain in England that have really surprised everyone I think, so much for the two parties being tied around 270 seats each. Looks like we'll be going to the last few seats to see if the Tories get a majority. Nobody ever predicted that.

RIP Lib Dems. RIP Scottish Labour. RIP Clegg, Miliband and maybe Farage.

Woke up to see that my constituency which was 'too close to call' days before the election: 49.5% for the Conservatives, 27.4% for Labour. Majority of 11,373. Not even close. How did everyone get it so wrong?

[lemons]

bbc predicting conservative majority around 329 seats!

[Okeanos]

LOLLLL UKIP are doing very badly, i bet undertaker is crying

[Empired]

Poor Farage! These results are super exciting. Labour had it coming if you ask me.

[Lewis]

Very happy about the SNP results :)

[buttons]

Very happy about the SNP results :)
i'm happy too!! 60% in our constituency.

poor ed balls AW
also did UKIP lose one the seats they held last year just a min ago?

oh yea im so happy alex salmond got his seat too. n i glad jim murphy is gone, he never came across well to me.

[Okeanos]

Very happy about the SNP results :)

:S SNP are left of labour, UKIP are right of the conservatives - as a UKIP supporter how can you possibly be happy that the SNP won so many seats? i smell BS

lol ukip are losers7


also did UKIP lose one the seats they held last year just a min ago?

yeh LOL, serves him right

[Red]

Nice results in ni to wake up to, 3 seats for unionism gained.

[lemons]

wonder who will be new leaders of labour libdem and ukip

[buttons]

FlyingJesus; brighton... green party.. hahahah

[Sharon]

what the HELL are these results ive woken up to I am fuming and sad about how POOR my party have done

saw a message from jen saying "bye labour" and I was already scared to check ugh wtf is this

[Rocklinaz]

really praying labour pull through

[ItsMeerken]

I just didnt want Cameron to be back in the role... ffs!

[The Don]

What a godawful result.

[lemons]

nigel farage lost in thanet south cyas

[AgnesIO]

YESSSSSSSSS

[The Don]

nigel farage lost in thanet south cyas

rip -:Undertaker:-;

[AgnesIO]

Couldn't be happier at the moment with these results.

Soo, -:Undertaker:-, was this the repeat of Canada that you were describing? ;)

[buttons]

quite interesting if Farage is correct in saying that most UKIP voters were young women! (not sure if that was just in South Thanet or overall)

[AgnesIO]

quite interesting if Farage is correct in saying that most UKIP voters were young women! (not sure if that was just in South Thanet or overall)

Didn't he say that they 'captured more young women', rather than the majority being young women?

Either way, I am very happy :P

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I will say, though, very noble losing speech by Farage - and I can certainly believe this is a huge weight off of his shoulders.

[xxMATTGxx]

Undertaker is now leaving the forum, like Nigel is also standing down. It's been nice having you here! :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

"All political lives, unless they are cut off in midstream at a happy juncture, end in failure, because that is the nature of politics and of human affairs."

- Enoch Powell

[AgnesIO]

Undertaker is now leaving the forum, like Nigel is also standing down. It's been nice having you here! :P

:D


"All political lives, unless they are cut off in midstream at a happy juncture, end in failure, because that is the nature of politics and of human affairs."

- Enoch Powell


I'd argue Farage never really got started, though. Getting a seat in this election was absolutely vital not just for Farage, but for UKIP.

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He has officially resigned for now (but might stand again).

[Okeanos]

-:Undertaker:- bet you feel ridiculous right now, aw didums

[-:Undertaker:-]

I'd argue Farage never really got started, though. Getting a seat in this election was absolutely vital not just for Farage, but for UKIP.

Except winning the European elections.
Except winning over 4 million votes in this General Election.
Except forcing the Conservatives into holding a referendum.
Except winning historic masses of local seats for a 4th party.
Except bringing open borders into the political debate after ten years of silence.


-:Undertaker:- bet you feel ridiculous right now, aw didums

I never said Farage would be elected, or indeed that we would win seats. Infact if you check my predictions, I said at best three seats and even then under FPTP (which I still support regardless) you can still end up with no seats despite coming third nationally with over four million votes.

I am very disappointed though that the Conservatives have done so well and won a majority.

[AgnesIO]

Except winning the European elections.
Except winning over 4 million votes in this General Election.
Except forcing the Conservatives into holding a referendum.
Except winning historic masses of local seats for a 4th party.
Except bringing open borders into the political debate after ten years of silence.


There has been growing complaints about open borders without Farage getting involved - best for Britain that his scaremongering is gone.

4 million votes, 1 seat. Coming second means nothing.

[-:Undertaker:-]

4 million votes, 1 seat. Coming second means nothing.

Indeed, as I said I support FPTP so I don't know why you're trying to have me rage and rant against something I support lol.

[AgnesIO]

Indeed, as I said I support FPTP so I don't know why you're trying to have me rage and rant against something I support lol.

Raging and ranting? Why would I want to rage when the result is beyond even my greatest expectations!

More just enjoying UKIP supporters staying far quieter than they have been for the past 12 months :)

[peteyt]

I didn't know who to vote for and so didn't vote but UKIP seemed to be doing great in other votes, polls etc. with people stating they'd make a big change but it looks like they've not really made much of a dent. But then a lot of younger people supported them and maybe didn't vote

[-:Undertaker:-]

Raging and ranting? Why would I want to rage when the result is beyond even my greatest expectations!

I meant in reference to the hopes you and Okeanos; seem to have that i'm having some sort of a meltdown.

[AgnesIO]

I meant in reference to the hopes you and @Okeanos (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=35609); seem to have that i'm having some sort of a meltdown.

It is probably because you have spent the past year throwing UKIP threads everywhere, banging on about the huge successes of UKIP, how Nigel Farage is starting a revolution, how the Conservative Party could end up like the one in Canada...

... and it has all turned out to be wrong. And the revolutionary leader has stepped down (temporarily, obviously, despite criticising other politicians for making pledges and then going back on them).

[The Don]

Ed, Clegg and Farage have all stepped down as party leaders

[AgnesIO]

Ed, Clegg and Farage have all stepped down as party leaders


Biggest day in politics in decades. Sturgeon currently the second most powerful leader in the Commons.... :L

[dbgtz]

This election has been very shocking. Glad to see snp didn't do as well as expected.

[AgnesIO]

This election has been very shocking. Glad to see snp didn't do as well as expected.

56 instead of 58 seats? I doubt they'll be too upset :P

[dbgtz]

56 instead of 58 seats? I doubt they'll be too upset :P

55 isn't it? It's more so that if there was no conservative mp then snp would ***** and moan

[buttons]

it's 56 out of 59 (according to google) lol, we were only expected 58/59 after the polls

[-:Undertaker:-]

David Cameron has gone to see the Queen in Buckingham Palace for her to ask to form a government.

When you think about it, the next time a party leader goes to Buckingham Palace (5yrs) for such an event it might be to see the King......


It is probably because you have spent the past year throwing UKIP threads everywhere, banging on about the huge successes of UKIP, how Nigel Farage is starting a revolution, how the Conservative Party could end up like the one in Canada...

... and it has all turned out to be wrong. And the revolutionary leader has stepped down (temporarily, obviously, despite criticising other politicians for making pledges and then going back on them).

But that revolution hasn't concluded yet: it concludes when we restore our sovereignty and independence.

It's bigger than Farage and it is bigger than Ukip. And it's neither right wing or left wing.

[Okeanos]

said at best three seats and even then under FPTP (which I still support regardless) you can still end up with no seats despite coming third nationally with over four million votes.

UKIP didnt come third nationally. The Tories, Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP and the Greens all got more votes than UKIP. its funny that some people in the UKIP ranks are blaming FPTP - if we had proportional representation then neither the tories nor UKIP would ever win. it is just a fact that there are more left-wing people in the UK, which is presumably why you still support FPTP.


But that revolution hasn't concluded yet: it concludes when we restore our sovereignty and independence..

the UK wont leave the EU. we will have a referendum and the people will say yes. when that happens, will you cut?

[buttons]

how much constituencies did UKIP stand in? how much seats did they have a chance of winning? so they got 3million out of a possible what?

[AgnesIO]

UKIP didnt come third nationally. The Tories, Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP and the Greens all got more votes than UKIP. its funny that some people in the UKIP ranks are blaming FPTP - if we had proportional representation then neither the tories nor UKIP would ever win. it is just a fact that there are more left-wing people in the UK, which is presumably why you still support FPTP.



the UK wont leave the EU. we will have a referendum and the people will say yes. when that happens, will you cut?


Lib Dems, SNP and Green did not get more votes than UKIP?

[Lewis]

:S SNP are left of labour, UKIP are right of the conservatives - as a UKIP supporter how can you possibly be happy that the SNP won so many seats? i smell BS

lol ukip are losers7



yeh LOL, serves him right


I'm not a UKIP supporter?

This is for a habbox competition, my party UHIP - a parody of UKIP lmao

[-:Undertaker:-]

Here's the election results (excluding the last seats) in terms of national vote share.

I *think* this is the first time the Liberals have been knocked into fourth place natonally.

http://www.ezimba.com/work/150509C/ezimba12602013341000.png

@Okeanos (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=35609); admit you are wrong hun. Ukip came third in national votes.

@buttons (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=42203); Labour, Tories, Ukip and Liberal Demcrats stood in 600+ seats each with Greens in over 500 seats.

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[The Don]

how much constituencies did UKIP stand in? how much seats did they have a chance of winning? so they got 3million out of a possible what?

I'm not entirely sure but they came out with less seats than they went in with, which is a pretty spectacular failure.

[AgnesIO]

I'm not entirely sure but they came out with less seats than they went in with, which is a pretty spectacular failure.

:D

Good work lads.

[dbgtz]

it's 56 out of 59 (according to google) lol, we were only expected 58/59 after the polls

Oh right, well I knew it was 3 less just didn't know the total seats. Still, 3 less than they could have gotten and 1 Scottish Conservative MP means they can't claim about no Scottish representation in government.


I'm not entirely sure but they came out with less seats than they went in with, which is a pretty spectacular failure.

To be fair, to be fair, they might just win all the 3 undeclared seats. You never know!

[buttons]

I'm not entirely sure but they came out with less seats than they went in with, which is a pretty spectacular failure.
yeah but he lost a few thousand in one constituency, along with their seat, but increased their votes in many other constituencies?
imo it doesn't seem fair. even if it's good for the country, it still means that much people don't have a voice.

[AgnesIO]

yeah but he lost a few thousand in one constituency, along with their seat, but increased their votes in many other constituencies?
imo it doesn't seem fair. even if it's good for the country, it still means that much people don't have a voice.

But more people voted for the other candidate? They would do even worse under other systems.

People did have a voice; the loudest voice was for Conservatives.

[The Don]

yeah but he lost a few thousand in one constituency, along with their seat, but increased their votes in many other constituencies?
imo it doesn't seem fair. even if it's good for the country, it still means that much people don't have a voice.

Oh of course, that's the problem with our voting system... But even with FPTP both UKIP and Labour were predicted to do far better than they did. It was a failure for most parties.

It's also worth keeping in mind that if we had a different voting system people would be more likely to vote differently meaning you can't use these results to see how well a party would've performed under a different voting system.

[-:Undertaker:-]

If the House of Commons were held under Proportional Representation then this is what the chamber would look like roughly.

Conservatives: 240 seats
Labour: 202 seats
Ukip: 85 seats
Liberal Democrats: 52 seats
SNP: 33 seats
Greens: 26 seats

[AgnesIO]

Also, it's worth noting SNP do disproportionately well too - way less than half the number of votes that UKIP received, and they got 56x more seats.

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If the House of Commons were held under Proportional Representation then this is what the chamber would look like roughly.

Conservatives: 240 seats
Labour: 202 seats
Ukip: 85 seats
Liberal Democrats: 52 seats
SNP: 33 seats
Greens: 26 seats

Looks like Political Gridlock to me.

[buttons]

i know that dom, same with N.Ireland parties. i mean it seems fair on one hand because it's going by constituencies but it doesn't seem fair on the other cause so much people's vote doesn't count. just wondering if there was a fairer way of voting, regardless of the outcome?

alsoooooooo is the ireland results good or bad? all i saw was "a racist party got majority in n ireland!!111" but ppl say that about any party that wins

[-:Undertaker:-]

alsoooooooo is the ireland results good or bad? all i saw was "a racist party got majority in n ireland!!111" but ppl say that about any party that wins

Unionists increased their seats in Northern Ireland so in my eyes thats a good result.

If you're an Irish republican on the other hand then obviously that's bad. :P

[Okeanos]

1 seat is not 3rd place whatever undertaker says.


If the House of Commons were held under Proportional Representation then this is what the chamber would look like roughly.

Conservatives: 240 seats
Labour: 202 seats
Ukip: 85 seats
Liberal Democrats: 52 seats
SNP: 33 seats
Greens: 26 seats

that is only 1 method of proportional representation, figures youd pick the one that shows UKIP in the best light. so predictable. if we had AV then things would look very different indeed. rip ukip we hardly knew yee

[FlyingJesus]

@FlyingJesus (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24753); brighton... green party.. hahahah

I know I can't believe those idiots re-elected her after all the troubles they caused. Brighton's got a really weird political makeup; Pavilion went Green, Kemptown went Conservative and Hove went Labour :P luckily for me I'm in the Conservative stronghold of Worthing East *+*+*+*


Didn't he say that they 'captured more young women', rather than the majority being young women?

That sounds a bit sinister


If the House of Commons were held under Proportional Representation then this is what the chamber would look like roughly.

Conservatives: 240 seats
Labour: 202 seats
Ukip: 85 seats
Liberal Democrats: 52 seats
SNP: 33 seats
Greens: 26 seats

That would be so messy :P people who want PR must want nothing to ever pass everything to stay exactly as it is forever

Overall far better result than I'd ever hoped for personally, was thinking Conservatives would have to join up with DUP at the very least to keep in power originally. The only real disappointment was Paddy Ashdown refusing to eat a hat


1 seat is not 3rd place whatever undertaker says.

To be fair to him that's not what you said; you said that others had got more votes than UKIP when they didn't

[Kardan]

So, finally home. Been watching it all day. Crazy to think that 24 hours ago a lot of us were thinking that Miliband would be trying to organise something together right now, maybe trying to run a Labour minority or a coalition government and we've got completely the opposite result.

Obviously great news if your a Tory or SNP supporter. Labour losing the Scottish vote was pretty much predicted and not a surprise at all - and it didn't impact on the election. Labour didn't make the gains it needed in England and Wales - the Tories had them firmly beat. Will be interesting to see what Labour brings with Miliband, Harman and Balls gone.

UKIP, disaster really, although relatively speaking not as bad as other parties. Came 3rd in voting as expected, but to lose a seat isn't good. Farage is gone, a part of me hopes he doesn't end up being leader again. Maybe we'll see him presenting Top Gear.

Lib Dems, it was expected they would collapse, I'm not shocked that they collapsed this much either. The coalition killed them.

In regards to FPTP, I don't agree with it, I voted for AV back in 2011 but it wouldn't have changed anything. I remember reading an article a few weeks back which predicted that with AV, the Conservatives would probably get a majority government because a lot of UKIP voters would probably back the Tories as a 2nd choice. Look what we ended up with anyway. AV probably would have gave a bigger majority to the Tories I think. Plus, we won't see any changes coming soon. Why would the Tories want to change anything?

Really still looking forward into how all the polls were wrong. Also wondering if Ashdown will eat a hat because to be fair, the exit poll wasn't correct, it said that the Lib Dems would do better than they did and it would be a hung parliament :P

[dbgtz]

Just watched Cleggs, Milibands and Farages resignation speeches. Why do they sound their most normal and relatable when they're resigning?

I wish Theresa May didn't get her seat.

[Red]

i know that dom, same with N.Ireland parties. i mean it seems fair on one hand because it's going by constituencies but it doesn't seem fair on the other cause so much people's vote doesn't count. just wondering if there was a fairer way of voting, regardless of the outcome?

alsoooooooo is the ireland results good or bad? all i saw was "a racist party got majority in n ireland!!111" but ppl say that about any party that wins

We have less than 2 million people here, whereas England has over 50 million so of course they were going to get more votes. If you did it soley on number of votes, we wouldn't have anyone representing us lmao. There won't be any shakeup for NI. The results were basically the same as always. The East Belfast seat went from the dup to alliance last election but was regained back last night, and then Sinn Fein lost a seat due to tactics by the unionist parties of only presenting one candidate. (Last election SF won here by like 4 votes) SF have a policy of boycotting Westminister and refuse to take their seats, so they have 4 instead of 5 mps now. They aren't racist but a lot are conservative christians, but then so would I say is a lot of the population. I think the church in general has a much stronger presence here than the rest of the uk. If you are going to accuse any party of something, you have leaders of SF that was in the IRA.

[Aiden]

We have less than 2 million people here, whereas England has over 50 million so of course they were going to get more votes. If you did it soley on number of votes, we wouldn't have anyone representing us lmao. There won't be any shakeup for NI. The results were basically the same as always. The East Belfast seat went from the dup to alliance last election but was regained back last night, and then Sinn Fein lost a seat due to tactics by the unionist parties of only presenting one candidate. (Last election SF won here by like 4 votes) SF have a policy of boycotting Westminister and refuse to take their seats, so they have 4 instead of 5 mps now. They aren't racist but a lot are conservative christians, but then so would I say is a lot of the population. I think the church in general has a much stronger presence here than the rest of the uk. If you are going to accuse any party of something, you have leaders of SF that was in the IRA.

Aren't they homophobic though?

[MKR&*42]

I'm kinda saddened Farage didn't get his seat, I think he genuinely deserved it over a tory :P. The fact he's stepping down isn't going to do UKIP any good either.

BUT CLEGG IS FINALLY ******** GONE SO I AM OVERJOYED.

Considering the tories have only won by a very slim amount, the next election will yet again be all to play for I imagine. These are going to be an interesting five years.
--
And Oh yes, the Lib Dems with 8 seats... :'(

[Red]

Aren't they homophobic though?

hence the conservative christian lmao. Abortion is still banned here and gay marriage won't be going through any time soon.

[Aiden]

hence the conservative christian lmao. Abortion is still banned here and gay marriage won't be going through any time soon.

seems backwards to me naturally

[ajs406]

Ye it sucks the Nigel resigned, but he did do a really good job, just look at the amount of people that voted UKIP.

[scottish]

nigel farage won't be gone for long.

[AgnesIO]

I'm kinda saddened Farage didn't get his seat, I think he genuinely deserved it over a tory :P. The fact he's stepping down isn't going to do UKIP any good either.

BUT CLEGG IS FINALLY ******** GONE SO I AM OVERJOYED.

Considering the tories have only won by a very slim amount, the next election will yet again be all to play for I imagine. These are going to be an interesting five years.
--
And Oh yes, the Lib Dems with 8 seats... :'(

Also, it is very rare for a party to be in government for three terms.

[MKR&*42]

Also, it is very rare for a party to be in government for three terms.

Ah yes.

But the past 2 governments (not including the 2010 + current) ran for three terms didn't they? Would certainly be very interesting if they ended up in for a third term again.

[dbgtz]

Ah yes.

But the past 2 governments (not including the 2010 + current) ran for three terms didn't they? Would certainly be very interesting if they ended up in for a third term again.

Conservatives lasted 4 terms before Labour won under Blair.

[MKR&*42]

Conservatives lasted 4 terms before Labour won under Blair.

Oh really? I must have been getting confused with how many Thatcher was elected in I guess :P

[dbgtz]

Oh really? I must have been getting confused with how many Thatcher was elected in I guess :P

Well it was Thatcher 3 times, Major once.

[MKR&*42]

Well it was Thatcher 3 times, Major once.

Yeah I checked Wikipedia after you said (A).

[Chippiewill]

that is only 1 method of proportional representation, figures youd pick the one that shows UKIP in the best light. so predictable. if we had AV then things would look very different indeed. rip ukip we hardly knew yee
AV isn't proportional representation (Unless you regard it as an edge-case of STV and even then it's only as proportional as FPTP).

The method he picked is the result of a 'full' proportional representation system (Systems like MMP would result in this) and is not an unreasonably basis to present, especially as its easier to present vaguely accurate figures than it would for a PR-lite solution like STV (Which in reality is the system we'd more likely end up with).

[Oleh]

UKIP, Greens, SNP and whatevers left of lib dems will definitely be angling for a PR vote. After Caroline Lucas called for it, I reckon it will happen.

[FlyingJesus]

lol Farage was a staunch defender of FPTP until he defected to a small party. They want it for obvious selfish reasons and don't care that it would make all governmental decision-making grind to a halt. Will do and say anything for a vote, anything for a seat, nothing for the country.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Here's a map of second place results in each constituency which shows the fracturing of our electoral system is still ongoing. Ukip scored second place in 120 seats, fulfilling their aim to become the main opposition in seats across the country. It also shows the Liberal Democrats certainly aren't finished forever.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEfU4T9WMAAPY7s.jpg:large





lol Farage was a staunch defender of FPTP until he defected to a small party. They want it for obvious selfish reasons and don't care that it would make all governmental decision-making grind to a halt. Will do and say anything for a vote, anything for a seat, nothing for the country.

I have never heard Farage defending FPTP.

I can certainly understand the arguments for proportional representation, I used to believe in it until not long ago. It's certainly true that Ukip having one seat for 3.8m votes and the Greens one seat for 1.1m votes whilst the SNP get 1.4m and have 56 seats is unfair and excludes the voices of a huge proportion of the population. FPTP is only fit for a system with two dominant parties, and as we know more and more people are choosing to back other parties (and more would if their vote counted). My solution though isn't to meddle with our constitution, its simply this: keep persuading more and more people to stop voting for the main two parties who are the problem, not the system. FPTP works fine when we have two parties who are actually different to one another.

As the 1900s and 1980s in Britain proved, the 1990s in Canada, and 2015 in Scotland: FPTP helps the main parties but it doesn't make them 100% safe.

[FlyingJesus]

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2011/05/farage-av-is-the-thin-of-the-wedge-thats-why-we-support-it/

DB: Why are you supporting AV?
NF: Well, first past the post is finished, it doesn’t work.
DB: Why?
NF: It doesn’t really have legitimacy. You know, it worked when we were a two party state. I completely lost faith in it in 2005 when Blair was returned with a 60 seat majority on 36 per cent of the vote, or 22 per cent if you factor in low turnout. I’d always argued that we needed FPTP because it gave us strong government and we mustn’t become like Italy. 2005 put a torpedo through that for me. It’s bust.


Basically he didn't do as well as he wanted so changed his views even though the situation behind his original views hadn't changed at all :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2011/05/farage-av-is-the-thin-of-the-wedge-thats-why-we-support-it/

DB: Why are you supporting AV?
NF: Well, first past the post is finished, it doesn’t work.
DB: Why?
NF: It doesn’t really have legitimacy. You know, it worked when we were a two party state. I completely lost faith in it in 2005 when Blair was returned with a 60 seat majority on 36 per cent of the vote, or 22 per cent if you factor in low turnout. I’d always argued that we needed FPTP because it gave us strong government and we mustn’t become like Italy. 2005 put a torpedo through that for me. It’s bust.


Basically he didn't do as well as he wanted so changed his views even though the situation behind his original views hadn't changed at all :P

I assume his reason for changing wasn't Ukip as they didn't do well at all that election, his reason behind it I think was the way *apparently* the Conservatives won in England in 2005 but didn't win anywhere close to a parliamentary majority. So he must've changed based on legitimacy rather than party politics.

But i've changed opinion too. The point is that FPTP is unfair to parties like Ukip and whilst I still support FPTP, i'm not going to make the argument that 3.8m votes = 1 seat is fair because it's not. Supporters of FPTP like yourself should at least admit that even if you don't want to change the voting system.

[lemons]

protests outside downing street

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3074951/Socialist-siege-Downing-Street-Hard-left-activists-clash-police-following-David-Cameron-s-triumphant-return-Number-10.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/09/20/2881151D00000578-3074951-image-m-45_1431198553186.jpg

[xxMATTGxx]

Wow at what they have done to this memorial

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5670495.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Women-of-World-War-II.jpg

[scottish]

they're the scum.

[Kyle]

you sure that protest pic is recent? their attire says otherwise. but there's a picture of cameron in the background. im so conflicted. activists like these are some of the most horrendous people ugh bloody ******s

[The Don]

Wow at what they have done to this memorial

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5670495.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Women-of-World-War-II.jpg

despicable

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The lack of coverage of these protests in the media is slightly concerning. (from the bbc)

[scottish]

you sure that protest pic is recent? their attire says otherwise. but there's a picture of cameron in the background. im so conflicted. activists like these are some of the most horrendous people ugh bloody ******s

I thought that when I seen it, girls with the dungarees is so 1930s

[xxMATTGxx]

you sure that protest pic is recent? their attire says otherwise. but there's a picture of cameron in the background. im so conflicted. activists like these are some of the most horrendous people ugh bloody ******s


I thought that when I seen it, girls with the dungarees is so 1930s

Hard to tell - Another image of it:

http://www.standard.co.uk/incoming/article10238894.ece/alternates/w620/vandal.jpg

[MKR&*42]

Sigh, I wish protesters wouldn't make their points seemingly irrelevant by starting to deface everything.
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Anyway, no clue if Dan's posted this, but here's a map of the biggest party swing in each constituency:

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=394613&stc=1

Certainly made an impression :P

[dbgtz]

TORY SCUM TAKING OUR MONIES
proceeds to needlessly vandalise and cause expense

Why can't some people accept the result? They may not like it but at the end of the day, they got the votes to get a majority. Sometimes it's like people don't really get what democracy is.

[buttons]

this is probably why older people don't like yougnsters voting, looks like a lot of students. something tells me they wouldn't care about proper representation if Labour won.
also seen people crying about police brutality..

[FlyingJesus]

FPTP is unfair to parties like Ukip and whilst I still support FPTP, i'm not going to make the argument that 3.8m votes = 1 seat is fair because it's not. Supporters of FPTP like yourself should at least admit that even if you don't want to change the voting system.

Oh yeah definitely, but I care more about having a government that's able to perform its duties far more than a "fair" representation of squabbling enemies who make delicate alliances to block each other and allow for absolutely nothing to get done legitimately. Also in my view (and I imagine you'll probably agree with this) accountability is extremely important in a system that calls itself a democracy, and with a system that allows for hugely split governments it's difficult to have that working properly. It was bad enough with just 2 parties :P


Sigh, I wish protesters wouldn't make their points seemingly irrelevant by starting to deface everything.
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Anyway, no clue if Dan's posted this, but here's a map of the biggest party swing in each constituency:

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=394613&stc=1

Certainly made an impression :P

Doesn't seem to be working young man


something tells me they wouldn't care about proper representation if Labour won.

Yeah pretty much, they're going mental because their favourites didn't win. They like democracy as long as it goes their way, just like everything with people like that

[-:Undertaker:-]

FlyingJesus; Indeed, but the main reason I support FPTP is I believe it has saved us from many revolutions/violence in that it is unlike European systems where the absolutely hated party of the last government often ends up in government again as the newer parties need to reach 50%. It's like with the House of Lords: I used to be for abolishing it but now I realise it's the political parties which are the problem not the system itself which is an amazing system. I'm a lot more constitutionalist nowadays. :P

And Intersocial; we can't see the map?

[MKR&*42]

Hm, now?

http://i.imgur.com/c4J0xwk.png


QFA


QFA

[Kyle]

When it's coloured in the map looks a lot like Maggie Simpson

[-:Undertaker:-]

Intersocial; wow that's impressive.

[scottish]

It's not really impressive though is it?

UKIP is coming from nothing so obviously they're going to have the largest swing, even if they're a million years of winning the constituency, they'll have gained thousands of votes for this election so obviously going to have a large swing, where as Labour and Conservative will change a lot less as they already have huge amounts of votes..

[Kardan]

It's not really impressive though is it?

UKIP is coming from nothing so obviously they're going to have the largest swing, even if they're a million years of winning the constituency, they'll have gained thousands of votes for this election so obviously going to have a large swing, where as Labour and Conservative will change a lot less as they already have huge amounts of votes..

Pretty much. I'll consider it impressive if they can follow it up next time and gain a significant amount of seats.

[MKR&*42]

For a party that was practically unheard of five years ago, I would say it's certainly impressive.

Not absolutely shocking, but nevertheless still 'an achievement'.
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Other things:

- Michael Gove is Justice Secretary..... no words.
- If Cameron goes through with his EU referendum promise I will be impressed.

[-:Undertaker:-]

scottish; Kardan;

In a system that has always been two parties with the third half party, that is impressive.

Infact I don't think another party other than the Liberals has ever come third nationally before in the last century. That's a record in itself.

[AgnesIO]

For a party that was practically unheard of five years ago, I would say it's certainly impressive.

Not absolutely shocking, but nevertheless still 'an achievement'.
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Other things:

- Michael Gove is Justice Secretary..... no words.
- If Cameron goes through with his EU referendum promise I will be impressed.


The swing in itself isn't surprising, given that they came from nothing. I suspect in the next election the reverse swing will be huge.

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Regarding the protests, people holding SWP sigs. They've always been a joke.

[FlyingJesus]

I don't think any of these protesters actually read any manifestos or anything.

Labour promised £2.5bn to the NHS, Conservative promised £8bn, but yeah they're totes closing it down...
Labour promised no changes to the rate of basic income tax, Conservatives promised to eliminate income tax for low earners, but obviously they're only wanting to help the ultra-rich...
Labour promised to extend free childcare from 15 to 25 hours, Conservatives promised the extension to go to 30 hours, but clearly hate giving things away to people who need it...

Plus of course there's the fact that "privatisation" of the NHS is not about closing anything down as the opposition are trying to claim, it's about allowing specialists to do a better job of things while still under the yoke of the government system, rather than attempting to control absolutely everything centrally. Delegation is like the first thing you learn to do as any kind of leader

[Inseriousity.]

I'm more surprised by the 2 or 3 green patches on that map. Where did they come second?

[MKR&*42]

I'm more surprised by the 2 or 3 green patches on that map. Where did they come second?

I know they came 2nd in Bristol West (BBC exit poll had them down to come first), not sure where else.

[buttons]

I don't think any of these protesters actually read any manifestos or anything.

Labour promised £2.5bn to the NHS, Conservative promised £8bn, but yeah they're totes closing it down...
Labour promised no changes to the rate of basic income tax, Conservatives promised to eliminate income tax for low earners, but obviously they're only wanting to help the ultra-rich...
Labour promised to extend free childcare from 15 to 25 hours, Conservatives promised the extension to go to 30 hours, but clearly hate giving things away to people who need it...

Plus of course there's the fact that "privatisation" of the NHS is not about closing anything down as the opposition are trying to claim, it's about allowing specialists to do a better job of things while still under the yoke of the government system, rather than attempting to control absolutely everything centrally. Delegation is like the first thing you learn to do as any kind of leader
oh and don't forget how we're going to lose all our rights because torys are scrapping the humans rights act!!!1 lets jsut leave out the fact they want to change the system, not actually take away our rights... didnt labour want to change the act too?

[-:Undertaker:-]

@FlyingJesus (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24753); there's loads of Labour mongs on my Facebook harping on about the NHS.

Seems to escape them that Labour really started that privatising the NHS ball rolling when it brought in PFI schemes.

@buttons (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=42203); and aye I saw that today. I remain sceptical that they'll just copy it where as I would like to see it just scrapped. But time will tell what differences.

[GommeInc]

To be fair the HRA could still exist as it's reasonably well written. The only issue is that it is backed by an organisation/convention which tries to make a one size fits all system which doesn't work, particularly when extremes cause problems e.g. terrorism. It needs re-interpreting and actually there to protect humans that act human.