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Earthquake
03-05-2015, 12:17 PM
Basically their going to introduce Mx for people of transgender.


A new gender neutral title 'Mx' is to join the honorifics 'Mr, Mrs, Miss and Ms' on driving licences and other official documents, the first change to officially recognised titles in decades.
Royal Mail, high street banks, government departments and some universities all now accept Mx which is used by transgender people or other individuals who do not identify with a particular gender.
The title has been added, without fanfare, to official forms and databases and is under consideration by the Oxford English Dictionary for inclusion in its next edition.
Thousands march at an LGBT parade: The change to commonly used titles has been welcome by leaders of the community
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Thousands march at an LGBT parade: The change to commonly used titles has been welcome by leaders of the community
Assistant editor of the dictionary, Johnathan Dent, was quoted by the Sunday Times as saying the move towards Mx was a sign of the English language's ability to adapt to an ever-changing society.
He explained it was the first time in recent history that commonly used and accepted titles had changed.
Mr Dent was quoted as saying it showed the way English could adapt to people's needs, rather than letting language dictate identity.
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He said titles, whether on online drop-down boxes or elsewhere, tended to be formal and enforce traditional relationships such as those between husband and wife, as in Mr and Mrs, or even profession such as Dr or Lord.
'This is something new,' the assistant editor said.
The Department for Work and Pensions, HM Revenue and Customs, the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency and the NHS are among those public bodies now accepting the Mx title.
Oxford University introduced the title last year and has explained that it is 'the most commonly used and recognised gender neutral title'
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Oxford University introduced the title last year and has explained that it is 'the most commonly used and recognised gender neutral title'
The Royal Mail has said it introduced Mx as an option for those registering online following requests from customers two years ago. It has been rolling out the title across all of its online applications since then.
Barclays was one of the first high street banks to offer the Mx title and its customers can now use the title on their credit and debit cards, correspondence, cheques and with online banking.
Royal Bank of Scotland, Halifax, Santander, Natwest, and the Co-Operative Bank have started using the title and HSBC has introduced Mx for some customers and is in the process of including it for all its customers.
Barclays was one of the first high street banks to offer the Mx title and its customers can now use the title on their credit and debit cards, correspondence, cheques and with online banking
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Barclays was one of the first high street banks to offer the Mx title and its customers can now use the title on their credit and debit cards, correspondence, cheques and with online banking
Oxford University introduced the title last year and has explained that it is 'the most commonly used and recognised gender neutral title'.
Birmingham, Cambridge and Portsmouth University also use the title as well as UCAS the university admissions service which introduced it for students last July.
SJ Jacobs from the UK's Nonbinary Inclusion Project has been quoted by the Sunday Times as saying that the increased acceptance of Mx as a title was a 'big step forward'.
THE HISTORY OF THE 'MX' TITLE
The title first appeared in the US publication 'Single Parent Magazine' in 1977.
Mr. Dent explains that the honorific was first called for by those with gender politics as their primary concern. They wished to see Mx replace Mr, Miss and Mrs which they viewed as discriminatory.
In the late 1990s it became more associated with those identifying themselves as neither male nor female.
Jacobs said the inclusion of the title was an important sign of validation for many but that more still needed to be done to make sure other organisations such as IT and fraud prevention services accept the title.
One company was quoted as saying it had not used the term over embarrassment. They were unsure how to pronounce the title.
'Most people pronounce it as "Mux,"' Jacobs said, explaining that it is said with a sort of schwa sound in the middle but a lot of people just spell it out.

I do not agree with this because if they had a sex change and wanted to be female/male, then having Mx defeats the purpose a little being that they wanted to be a Mr or Miss

Bloop
03-05-2015, 12:25 PM
Interesting but I like the equality thing

Also open doors for trolls in english papers!!!
Dear Mx Example, Principal of Example school

Fun!!

Kardan
03-05-2015, 12:27 PM
But it's not for people that are transgender, as they would presumably use the new title. It's for people that don't wish to identify as a gender. There's a difference.

Earthquake
03-05-2015, 12:30 PM
But it's not for people that are transgender, as they would presumably use the new title. It's for people that don't wish to identify as a gender. There's a difference.

opens the door to those who want to be known as Jedi, i.e Jedi Luke rather then Mr?

Kardan
03-05-2015, 01:14 PM
opens the door to those who want to be known as Jedi, i.e Jedi Luke rather then Mr?

The titles Mr, Miss etc. are to do with gender, not religion.

-:Undertaker:-
03-05-2015, 01:48 PM
"I don't want to identify as a gender" lol. It's insanity.

Earthquake
03-05-2015, 01:52 PM
"I don't want to identify as a gender" lol. It's insanity.

the sad part is this is just the beginning.

Empired
03-05-2015, 01:56 PM
It's not necessarily for those who don't identify as anything, it's called agender and is for those who don't see themselves to fit under the labels of male or female. Seems sensible to me. I couldn't talk too much about it as I've never even questioned being female and so don't know that much about gender equality, but I'd see this as a step in the right direction.

-:Undertaker:-
03-05-2015, 02:01 PM
the sad part is this is just the beginning.

What you have to remind yourself of though, despite the abuse we'll both likely recieve very shortly for daring to call out this insanity, is that out in the real world there's blokes and there are girls and then there's blokes who think of themselves as ladies and dress like them and vice versa for women. The rest of it, including the ridiculous terms they come up with for all this bs, is confined to the crazy realms of the internet like tumblr.

Never confuse the social justice warriors on here for reality and you'll realise the world isn't going insane... just the insane people are very loud.

FlyingJesus
03-05-2015, 02:35 PM
I don't see much point in it frankly, but then again it's doing no damage so whatever

GommeInc
03-05-2015, 05:34 PM
Is genderphobia a thing? Seems incredibly useless and out of no where. Since when is stating you have any of the different gender-based prefixes a bad thing? Surely Mx is just making you a target?

Aiden
03-05-2015, 05:43 PM
I don't understand why anyone else cares [in a negative way] about things like this. It's like me complaining about horror films even though them existing has no direct effect on me or my life. Is someone wants to be Mx then cool and you shouldn't care. :)

-:Undertaker:-
03-05-2015, 06:11 PM
I don't understand why anyone else cares [in a negative way] about things like this. It's like me complaining about horror films even though them existing has no direct effect on me or my life. Is someone wants to be Mx then cool and you shouldn't care. :)

It isn't really them doing it that concerns people (I couldn't care less whether you cut your bits off and pretended you were a seal as long as i'm not paying for it) but it's more what follows after that. Once it has a foothold, anybody who dares disagree with the practice or mocks the practice in question is immediately hounded as a bigot, a something-phobe and is subjected to nasty letters and protests. And if it goes even further into say the law itself, as it often does, then eventually it becomes a crime aka 'hate speech' to even speak out against the established orthodoxy.

We've seen this with the homosexuality issue.

Aiden
03-05-2015, 07:15 PM
It isn't really them doing it that concerns people (I couldn't care less whether you cut your bits off and pretended you were a seal as long as i'm not paying for it) but it's more what follows after that. Once it has a foothold, anybody who dares disagree with the practice or mocks the practice in question is immediately hounded as a bigot, a something-phobe and is subjected to nasty letters and protests. And if it goes even further into say the law itself, as it often does, then eventually it becomes a crime aka 'hate speech' to even speak out against the established orthodoxy.

We've seen this with the homosexuality issue.

Question: why do you care about it if it doesn't affect you?

If I want to be a woman then why can't the money I (one day) and everyone put into the system be used to help mental and physical health issues? Like it's supposed to? It's like saying someone with a rare disease shouldn't get treated because it cost money.

No one should have the right to express hate. Being racist, transphobic, homophobic, xenophobic, etc is hate and should be treated as so. Yes I agree some people are OTT with what is and isn't offensive but the line of humour will be more understood when people can be civil and learn from each side. If you truly want people to speak what they believe, you should encourage knowledge on all sides and not just one.

A lot of things are quick to be called an 'hate crime' because it's so common. If no or little of the actual hate crime existed then there would be more tolerance on both sides to come to a mutual benefit of how to go about things... Although some groups and missions are useless. I'm not clairvoyant but I don't see LGBT rights going backwards from now, not unless there's some sort of neo-Nazi rise or something along those lines.

I was in a careers meeting the other day and my teacher advised me to take up charity of human rights. I said no. I would be embarrassed. Not being it's embarrassing to embrace the LGBT culture but because I shouldn't have to. The same applies to the other side, it's embarrassing for people who oppose same-sex marriage and the 'lifestyle' to spend their life protesting something they have no control over. It's sad to see people waste their life on something they don't enjoy or can change.

Don't want to talk about gay people? Stop making news about gay people.

AgnesIO
03-05-2015, 07:16 PM
"I don't want to identify as a gender" lol. It's insanity.

Completely agree with this. Crazy.

GommeInc
03-05-2015, 09:04 PM
Question: why do you care about it if it doesn't affect you?

If I want to be a woman then why can't the money I (one day) and everyone put into the system be used to help mental and physical health issues? Like it's supposed to? It's like saying someone with a rare disease shouldn't get treated because it cost money.

No one should have the right to express hate. Being racist, transphobic, homophobic, xenophobic, etc is hate and should be treated as so. Yes I agree some people are OTT with what is and isn't offensive but the line of humour will be more understood when people can be civil and learn from each side. If you truly want people to speak what they believe, you should encourage knowledge on all sides and not just one.

A lot of things are quick to be called an 'hate crime' because it's so common. If no or little of the actual hate crime existed then there would be more tolerance on both sides to come to a mutual benefit of how to go about things... Although some groups and missions are useless. I'm not clairvoyant but I don't see LGBT rights going backwards from now, not unless there's some sort of neo-Nazi rise or something along those lines.

I was in a careers meeting the other day and my teacher advised me to take up charity of human rights. I said no. I would be embarrassed. Not being it's embarrassing to embrace the LGBT culture but because I shouldn't have to. The same applies to the other side, it's embarrassing for people who oppose same-sex marriage and the 'lifestyle' to spend their life protesting something they have no control over. It's sad to see people waste their life on something they don't enjoy or can change.

Don't want to talk about gay people? Stop making news about gay people.
You could argue it's not solving the issue, but making it worse. People demand "equality" or recognition yet this is just segregating people who, for whatever reason, have a fear of having a gender (NOTE: this is having a gender in general. This is not about hating the gender you have and therefore changing it which is perfectly fine). It's confirming there is a problem, rather than solving it.

It supports there's a mental health issue which isn't going to go away with an Mx suffix which adds an unnecessary label.

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