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Chippiewill
25-06-2015, 06:56 AM
Speech at state banquet in Berlin warns against division in Europe and gains approval from Angela Merkel

The Queen has warned of the dangers of division in Europe at a state banquet in Berlin, urging Britons and Germans not to take the benefits of a peaceful continent for granted.

Her speech, weaving historical events with present crises, was replete with some subtle and other not so subtle hints that she believed Britain belonged in the European Union – her most public stance yet that she wished to avoid Britain voting to leave in a referendum.

“The United Kingdom has always been closely involved in its continent. Even when our main focus was elsewhere in the world, our people played a key part in Europe,” she told an audience of 700 dignitaries.

David Cameron and foreign minister Philip Hammond, a staunch Eurosceptic, were in attendance. On Thursday, the prime minister will put forward his proposals for EU reform to other European leaders in Brussels.

Speaking directly to her host Joachim Gauck, the 75-year-old German president who was once a civil rights activist in communist East Germany, the Queen said: “In our lives, Mr President, we have seen the worst, but also the best of our continent. We have witnessed how quickly things can change for the better. But we know that we must work hard to maintain the benefits of the postwar world.

“We know that division in Europe is dangerous and that we must guard against it in the west as well as in the east of our continent.”

As she spoke, Angela Merkel, the German chancellor who sat at the Queen’s table in Berlin’s Schloss Bellevue along with her husband Joachim Sauer, nodded vigorously, a gesture that did not go unnoticed among observers.

The Queen’s short, but wide-ranging, speech made references to important events in European history and recalled discussions about the possibility of German neutrality that she had held with German chancellor Konrad Adenauer in 1958.

She went back as far as Magna Carta, which she said had marked the “long, slow and interrupted process of our country’s evolution into a democracy,” in the 13th century. She linked it to St Paul’s church in Frankfurt, which she will visit on Thursday, where Germany’s first freely elected legislature, the Frankfurt parliament, met in 1848.

Drawing on the biographies of Britons who had emigrated to other parts of Europe and made their mark, she mentioned the Welsh engineer John Hughes, who founded the mining town of Donetsk, now in Ukraine, in the Russian empire of the 19th century, and the 17th-century Scottish publican Richard Cant, who moved his family to Pomerania. “His son moved further east to Memel and his grandson then moved south to Königsberg, where Richard’s great-grandson, Immanuel Kant, was born,” she said.

In her repeated emphasis of the strong collaboration between Britain and Germany, which had “achieved so much” since 1945 and would “continue to do so in the years ahead,” the Queen said the most “enduring reminder” of the cultural cooperation between Germany and Britain was the Reichstag dome, designed by British architect Norman Foster.

Earlier in the day, she had observed the dome from the terrace of Merkel’s chancellery as the chancellor had shown her the Berlin skyline. On Friday, the Queen visits Bergen-Belsen, the former Nazi concentration camp in northern Germany.

In response to the speech, the German president sought to emphasise the important role Britain had played in building democracy in Germany after the war and how grateful Germans were for that. Gauck said that Britain continued to have a vital role to play in Europe and was needed by the EU and that a “constructive dialogue” was necessary to address Britain’s concerns about its membership.

“A quarter of a century after the division of our continent ended, the European Union is facing major challenges,” he said. “We know that we need an effective European Union based on a stable foundation of shared values. A constructive dialogue on the reforms Britain wants to see is therefore essential.”

Germany would support such discussions, he said. “For Britain is a part of Europe. The European Union needs Britain.”

Gauck, who was born in the northern port city of Rostock into a family of sailors, said: “There is a saying in the nautical world: ‘There is but a plank between a sailor and eternity’.” He said that while some planks in the European ship could be improved “to be frank, we in Germany would rather strengthen the planks than tear them out”.

The banquet included trout, lamb and asparagus followed by strawberries and elderflower blossoms and accompanied by an assortment of German wines.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/24/the-queen-hints-at-desire-for-britain-to-remain-in-european-union

Get rekt dan.

Sian
25-06-2015, 07:10 AM
OK queeny, you're usually pretty good at it, but keep your political opinion to yourself.

Kyle
25-06-2015, 11:32 AM
The queen has no business trying to influence politics. DOWN WITH THE MONARCHY!!!!!!!!!

-:Undertaker:-
25-06-2015, 11:32 AM
If she's talking about eastern and western divisions in Europe then she's referring to NATO which rightly was countries co-operating together in a military alliance against Soviet Russia, an alliance that still exists today and obviously with Russia again in mind. But either way, she could also be talking more generally of the EEA, EFTA, European Council, ECHR and NATO - all of which Britain can remain a member of outside of the European Union like Switzerland, Norway and Iceland.

But even if she came out in favour of the EU, so what. I've never listed the Queen as a source of authority on this.

-:Undertaker:-
25-06-2015, 01:07 PM
Buckingham Palace issues statement.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/586842/Buckingham-Palace-denies-Queen-intervened-EU-referendum-Berlin-speech


A Palace spokesperson today insisted the Queen was "above politics" and was "politically neutral" on the EU.

Royal expert Richard Fitzwilliams said the Queen's speech was "clearly aimed at pleasing her hosts".

He told Express.co.uk: "These are certainly comments which reflect Government policy but it is important (http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/586842/Buckingham-Palace-denies-Queen-intervened-EU-referendum-Berlin-speech#) to emphasise that she acts on the advice of her ministers and they are sending this message hoping the Germans will be receptive.

"They are not a personal intervention in the arguments over whether or not we should leave the EU. She will not intervene in that."

The Don
25-06-2015, 01:41 PM
gg dan
Thread edited by OddKrAtNo (Forum Moderator): Please do not post pointlessly, thanks.

GommeInc
30-06-2015, 03:35 PM
I thought she was just talking in general, not about the EU. Of course we do not want a divided Europe and history to repeat itself over and over again. This is the 21st Century, a warring Europe is something the World does not need. The EU is just one institute reaping the benefits of a united Europe and stopping us from attacking each other, as doing so will have financial, political and social repercussions both internally and externally. Other organisations exist based on unity, not just the EU.

Unless of course she is suggesting Norway and Switzerland look a bit dodgy and a united Europe going against these two dangerous countries is something worth keeping united over? :P

-:Undertaker:-
30-06-2015, 11:24 PM
As someone made the point - I think Peter Hitchens in his Sunday column - a divided Europe rather than a 'united Europe' has always actually been a sole foreign policy objective of this kingdom, and Russia, for hundreds of years given whenever Europe has been dominated by one power it has always ended up in bloodshed.

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