What changes should we make to the forum rules?

[xxMATTGxx]

The rules we have on HabboxForum haven't had any major changes for a number of years now and only minor changes or additions have been added in more recent times. Now a few people have mentioned this to me recently and also in the past that we should have a review of the forum rules.

So to get to the point: If you think ANY of the rules on HabboxForum need changing then post the rules, the changes that need to happen and it would also be appreciated if you explain the reason why it should be changed.

[Kyle]

A2. Do not post inappropriately ~ Habbox Forum has an audience that includes younger members, and as such all content must be suitable for those members. You must not:
Talk about adult subjects in an explicit manner.
Post images, videos or links that with inappropriate content like gore, nudity, obscenity or annoyance.
Post links which may cause a nuisance to other forum members, such as "Rick Rolling" etc.


Needs an amendment to include badspoilers
Rick rolling, really?
http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/18/182496/2636567-1556669725-what-.jpg


A11. Please do not post links to Internet Marketing which you involves your gain at the expense of our members
fixed

[Matt]

Relax the forum filter - allow mild swearing

Get rid of the "commenting in the trading forum" rule - unless the thread creator specifically states that no one is to comment unless offering prices/has a question

Get rid of the Video BB Code rule - silly rule

Certain 'forum specific' rules could be removed, such as the one in spam that says you can't spam the spam forum

Have something that doesn't allow people to upload or have oversized images in the first place (an automatic resizer or something)

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Could probably think of a few more but that's all for now. Last one isnt such a rule but means people can't get told off for it.

[Bloop]

naming reteos and scammers
exposin private (habbo/x) information
closing threads due to arguments cuz drama can bring so much activity lol
basically dont close threads
and remove being rude to another user

[Kardan]

A5. Do not post private details or information ~ We do not allow you to post private information about yourself due to security concerns. Disclosing any information about another forum user without their consent is also not allowed. This includes:
Private messages
Forum ban reasons/dismissal reasons
Private conversations (Skype, Habbo, etc.)
Images / videos of the user or links to a page where an image/video of another user is located (this includes social networking sites, facebook, myspace etc)
Trying to organize real life meet-ups
It is also not allowed to give out the personal details (specific address, phone number etc) of anyone, forum user or otherwise.

Either remove that or ban nearly every single person on here.


B8. Do not use Personal Messages for advertising

Include visitor messages?

[lRhyss]

Simple:


Allow the same swear words with are allowed on HabboxLive. It's stupid banning them in one aspect and not the other.
Bring back gender forums
Inform moderators that pointless posting doesn't need to be addressed in Spam (seriously).
Make moderators forum wide, just like super Moderators. It would be more effective as it would be easier and quicker for someone to deal with a situation outside their hold, when another moderator isn't active or away.
I know it's not to do with the rules, but; Change the god damn moderation minimums. If it hasn't changed already, the way it's currently assessed is stupid and unfair. Why should they be told to reach a minimum that might not even be possible? It makes moderators overly strict in some cases.



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naming reteos and scammers
exposin private (habbo/x) information
closing threads due to arguments cuz drama can bring so much activity lol
basically dont close threads
and remove being rude to another user
and get Habbox removed from the Official list? This ain't the days of ClubHabbo anymore, mate.

[GoldenMerc]

allow mild swearing
meet ups should be advised we should have habbox meetup yearly, during July every year in london, then protest to sulake offices

[lRhyss]

allow mild swearing
meet ups should be advised we should have habbox meetup yearly, during July every year in london, then protest to sulake offices
Why just one place?

#HabboxOnTour 2016

[Kyle]

Not sure if this happens yet but god damn let normal moderators see and act on post reports

[lRhyss]

Not sure if this happens yet but god damn let normal moderators see and act on post reports
they can't, but if they can, it would mean they have the same job as Super Moderators

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also

Ban proven/potential predators.

[Matt]

Not sure if this happens yet but god damn let normal moderators see and act on post reports

which means giving them access to the modcp which I know management would probably be very reluctant to do (or so I've been told in the past).


Simple:


Make moderators forum wide, just like super Moderators. It would be more effective as it would be easier and quicker for someone to deal with a situation outside their hold, when another moderator isn't active or away.
I know it's not to do with the rules, but; Change the god damn moderation minimums. If it hasn't changed already, the way it's currently assessed is stupid and unfair. Why should they be told to reach a minimum that might not even be possible? It makes moderators overly strict in some cases.




Making moderators forum-wide could actually work. It would just mean mods would have to know all forum specific rules in all areas before taking action on posts. The minimums thing for mods could also be tweaked as I agree with your point.

[Kyle]

which means giving them access to the modcp which I know management would probably be very reluctant to do (or so I've been told in the past).
you don't need access to a modcp in order to ban/infract users or see reports and edit posts as far as I'm aware?

[Matt]

you don't need access to a modcp in order to ban/infract users or see reports and edit posts as far as I'm aware?

to actually see post reports and comment on/close them requires modcp & SMOD perms atm. SMODs can forward post reports on to normal moderators but then it's up to smods to then check it's been dealt with appropriately and then close it via the modcp.

[Kyle]

to actually see post reports and comment on/close them requires modcp & SMOD perms atm. SMODs can forward post reports on to normal moderators but then it's up to smods to then check it's been dealt with appropriately and then close it via the modcp.
It wouldn't require them if the forum permissions were edited.

What exactly do normal mods do then? Just edit posts they see?

[Matt]

It wouldn't require them if the forum permissions were edited.

What exactly do normal mods do then? Just edit posts they see?

Having a say on editing permissions is out of my hands :P That's Phil's call and management.

but yeah pretty much. They can infract and warn - which get's checked by a SMOD. They also report any staff rule breaking, oversized images, permission errors and visitor messages to SMODS/Admins.

[GoldenMerc]

Yeh I agree, why aren't we banning pedophiles on this forum? Moh got banned / deleted, yet there is still one lurking at large, who is allowed to be staff!?

[Kardan]

Oh, can we stop letting moderators moving threads FROM spam? Users obviously made the choice to put it in spam rather than the appropriate forum for a reason - stop reversing that.

[Matt]

Oh, can we stop letting moderators moving threads FROM spam? Users obviously made the choice to put it in spam rather than the appropriate forum for a reason - stop reversing that.

I think that was only a certain one or two moderators who are now not in the department? I think I've only ever done it once but at request of the user.

[GoldenMerc]

I think arguements shouldn't be stopped, but a poll should go up. Who ever loses gets a day ban

[Kyle]

if all predators were banned habbox would be barren

[GoldenMerc]

if all predators were banned habbox would be barren

But its one rule for one, and one for another.

Moh got perm / deleted for what he did with dogboy, yet bolt660 runs wild on jamessparky's *******, how is that any different? its worse if anything

[Kyle]

isnt jamessparky 16

[Bloop]

thread closed due to targetting bolt660

[GoldenMerc]

isnt jamessparky 16

he was, but he was 15 when the incident with bolt happened according to a news source

[xxMATTGxx]

This thread is about forum rules, not specific members who may or may not have done specific things.

[Supreme]

Like, swearing full stop? Although, trolling to!

[FlyingJesus]

Why are the same people who threatened to delete my account when I protested against Martin's reinstatement post-grooming now openly attacking him for the exact same thing across the forum? Rather than changing rules, let's just have some consistency in how they're applied *+*+*+*+

Also yeah might as well make all mods global, we don't have the same activity these days that requires set mods for each area and if they're unsure on how to act on a certain report they can leave it until a smod is available to deal with it

Not convinced that allowing swearing will really bring any bonuses to the community. Not gonna fight it tooth and nail as I once would have but don't see it as necessary

[Empired]

naming reteos and scammers
exposin private (habbo/x) information
closing threads due to arguments cuz drama can bring so much activity lol
basically dont close threads
and remove being rude to another user
so basically remove all rules that you get/have been told off for ;)

Nonetheless the point about not closing threads is interesting. I think they should continue to be closed but instead of suddenly closing them I'd like a little warning. Like if the argument is heating up have the mod send out a little warning that the thread will be closed if it continues, and then allow people to reply stating their arguments as to why it shouldn't be closed if they want to.

[Kardan]

New rule: Perm ban anyone that posts thread titles in FULL CAPS.

[shiver]

ban undertaker for trolling

[Cerinacy]

xxMATTGxx; you should remove the rule about not allowing to organise meet ups on the forums as pretty much everyone has done that- there's a thread somewhere!

[Samantha]

A2. Do not post inappropriately ~ Habbox Forum has an audience that includes younger members, and as such all content must be suitable for those members. You must not:
•Talk about adult subjects in an explicit manner.
•Post images, videos or links that with inappropriate content like gore, nudity, obscenity or annoyance.
•Post links which may cause a nuisance to other forum members, such as "Rick Rolling" etc.

Both of them could be allowed if a bad spoiler is present, although the latter isn't really needed.

A4. Do not accuse others of scamming or hacking, or any other illegal activity ~ making baseless accusations only leads to arguments and often members are targeted wrongly or unfairly. We do not allow you to accuse anyone of hacking, scamming or illegal activities with or without evidence so as to maintain a positive atmosphere about the forum.

If there's sufficient evidence I honestly don't see why it shouldn't be allowed - we're about the community anyway and we're actually saving them from potentially being scammed. However, it might be best left to moderator's discretion.

A5. Do not post private details or information ~ We do not allow you to post private information about yourself due to security concerns. Disclosing any information about another forum user without their consent is also not allowed. This includes:
•Private messages
•Forum ban reasons/dismissal reasons
•Private conversations (Skype, Habbo, etc.)
•Images / videos of the user or links to a page where an image/video of another user is located (this includes social networking sites, facebook, myspace etc)
•Trying to organize real life meet-ups
•It is also not allowed to give out the personal details (specific address, phone number etc) of anyone, forum user or otherwise.

The 'Private conversations' part could do with removing, and shouldn't only be dealt with if it breaks another rule - e.g. targeting or being rude to members. The real life meet ups needs to be removed as threads have been allowed about it for years.

A7. Do not post pointlessly ~ ~ Do not post off-topic ~ An off-topic post has no relevance to the topic or any previous post that is relevant, or does little to positively contribute to the discussion.
~ Do not spam/make pointless posts. It is not allowed to post random, meaningless, posts or threads on the forum. Examples of this are (ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!); (BYRDSB +HKK; ) (I am a plane)
~ Do not posts threads which only allow for short, one or two word answers and do not promote active discussion. Repeatably posting short replies such as "Yes" or "Nope" is also forbidden. What is classed as pointless or abuse is entirely down to the discretion of the Forum Department.
~ You may not make posts that contain plain images only. Images that includes text are allowed so long as they are relevant to the threads discussion. This rule does not apply to the forum games or spam forums.

The first part, 'has no relevance to the topic or any previous post that is relevant' we want discussion to improve, and as long as it's somewhat related to the topic I feel it should be allowed. I know this is done some what, but it isn't done all the time.
'Do not post threads which only allow for short replies' this could do with tweaking - suggest that if they do post them and no discussion is taking place other than yes or no then the thread could be moved to spam.
The picture one I got told was removed ages ago?

A8. Please observe the correct posting protocol:
•Do not multiple post within the 15 minute edit time of your original threads
•Do not multiple post after the the 15 minute edit time without posting valid additional information.
•Do not pointlessly bump old threads. You may only bump threads if your post is relevant and something that can generate more discussion. What is and isn't pointless is up to the moderators discretion and is final.

The double post thing is fine, but an additional note could be added that some forums do merge posts within this time, but it's best just to edit your post if you can.
I understand do not pointlessly bump old threads, but I think some threads that are being bumped for 5 years, which could increase discussion, but they could also make a new thread? I don't think there should be a time limit, but again it could be up to the moderator's discretion what is too long and what isn't as well as what is and isn't pointless.


A12. Use the Video BB code appropriately ~ It is not allowed to post more than three videos and/or vines in any one post or more than one video in any one visitor message. Videos and/or vines are also not allowed to be included in your signature.

As long as they're in spoilers if you have more than 3 then I don't think it's a problem. The visitor message one is fine though.

B1. Forum Names •May be anything at registration so long as deemed acceptable
•Must be 3 or more letters but no more than 15 letters
•Consists of the characters A-Z, 0-9, or `~@#$%^&()_-=[{}]\:;”’<>,./?

The 'must be 3 or more letters' needs altering a bit maybe, some people (like myself) have 2 letter Habbo names, and some forum members already have them. Perhaps just saying unless it's your Habbo name?

B4. Do not post anything offensive about other sites - This includes sites that have anti Habbox content. It is strictly forbidden to ask or talk about flooding, hacking or damaging any website in any way.

Pretty sure some forum members have posted their rants about other fansites?

Commenting in the trading section

Please remember that commenting in the trading section is only permitted if it is a question about the buying or selling of the item.
For example, the following would not be allowed:

As long as it's on topic and somewhat relevant I think it should be fine to an extent.

Also trying to click on Graphics and Welcome forum rules via the links in the rules gives me the you do not have permission page, and seeing they were upated a while back that's a bit shocking :P.

'If you think that someone ripped graphics from somewhere please contact either Phil (Forum Manager), Nick (Assistant Forum Manager) or a Forum Super Moderator (e5 or Calum0812) and it will be looked into.'

That needs changing.

2. Only post your own work. Any work that is not yours that has been found to be ripped will be removed from the forum.

That's never followed, so this could be altered that you MUST state if it's not your work.

[Matt]

Nonetheless the point about not closing threads is interesting. I think they should continue to be closed but instead of suddenly closing them I'd like a little warning. Like if the argument is heating up have the mod send out a little warning that the thread will be closed if it continues, and then allow people to reply stating their arguments as to why it shouldn't be closed if they want to.

Moderators are most likely able to see both sides of the argument anyway which leads to them making a call on whether or not the thread should remain open. Having people state their arguments would just go round in circles as whenever we close a thread we are always going to get people kicking off. Providing a warning has been done before and generally the thread dies down shortly after that, so yeah they do work in some regards. If a thread is in need of intervention by moderators then often closing it is the best method (especially when there's bullying etc involved) so I don't think that'll change :P - that last part was kind of a response to Bloop and not so much Charlie!

[e5]

Simple:


Allow the same swear words with are allowed on HabboxLive. It's stupid banning them in one aspect and not the other.
Bring back gender forums
Inform moderators that pointless posting doesn't need to be addressed in Spam (seriously).
Make moderators forum wide, just like super Moderators. It would be more effective as it would be easier and quicker for someone to deal with a situation outside their hold, when another moderator isn't active or away.
I know it's not to do with the rules, but; Change the god damn moderation minimums. If it hasn't changed already, the way it's currently assessed is stupid and unfair. Why should they be told to reach a minimum that might not even be possible? It makes moderators overly strict in some cases.


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and get Habbox removed from the Official list? This ain't the days of ClubHabbo anymore, mate.


There isn't really minimums - Just ratings of Poor to Excellent which there has to be, otherwise a mod could do nothing and there would be no consequences. The activity of the forum is taken into account with the logs, so if only 2 people posted that week and you had to edit them twice, you'd get an excellent. But if 1000 posts were made and u edited 2 of them, you'd get poor, because there is always gonna be something wrong with a lot of posts.

[Oddy]

A8. Please observe the correct posting protocol:
Do not multiple post within the 15 minute edit time of your original threads
Do not multiple post after the the 15 minute edit time without posting valid additional information.
Do not pointlessly bump old threads. You may only bump threads if your post is relevant and something that can generate more discussion. What is and isn't pointless is up to the moderators discretion and is final.

Add a rule that prevents thread spaming, making allot of new threads within minutes from the same user. I would consider this token grinding and spam.

[lemons]

Add a rule that prevents thread spaming, making allot of new threads within minutes from the same user. I would consider this token grinding and spam.

why? more threads more forum activity

[Oddy]

why? more threads more forum activity

I agree but for example 5 threads in 5 minutes in the game section would just be spam. I agree that it would be great with more activity, but not spam acitivty where only 1 person stands for all the posting in 1 section

[buttons]

can we have nicki minaj on our banner

[Danny]

I agree but for example 5 threads in 5 minutes in the game section would just be spam. I agree that it would be great with more activity, but not spam acitivty where only 1 person stands for all the posting in 1 section

So say, as I have an interest in games, I decide to join the articles department once more and wrote out games articles that I wish to share on the forum, (people want articles posted on the forum more) I shouldn't be allowed to post them whenever I wish? I don't agree with what you have proposed. This is just an example, I agree with Zitrone, more forum activity is better than none.

[lRhyss]

Add a rule that prevents thread spaming, making allot of new threads within minutes from the same user. I would consider this token grinding and spam.


I agree but for example 5 threads in 5 minutes in the game section would just be spam. I agree that it would be great with more activity, but not spam activity where only 1 person stands for all the posting in 1 section
Basically you're telling people to post less? If someone posts 5 separate threads, on 5 different topics within 5 minutes, surely that's not spam, that's generating conversation and discussion? Something the Forum needs. The only way it would be spam, would be if someone posted 5 threads on the same topic, across the forum.

[Oddy]

So say, as I have an interest in games, I decide to join the articles department once more and wrote out games articles that I wish to share on the forum, (people want articles posted on the forum more) I shouldn't be allowed to post them whenever I wish? I don't agree with what you have proposed. This is just an example, I agree with Zitrone, more forum activity is better than none.

I'm not saying that you should be limited to when you want to post it, i'm saying that maybe a rule like this for threads could be something.

A8. Please observe the correct posting protocol:
Do not multiple post within the 15 minute edit time of your original threads
Do not multiple post after the the 15 minute edit time without posting valid additional information.
for example dont make more then 5 threads each 15 minutes or so.

[Danny]

I'm not saying that you should be limited to when you want to post it, i'm saying that maybe a rule like this for threads could be something.

for example dont make more then 5 threads each 15 minutes or so.

No that's a dumb rule.

And I say that as someone who doesn't post that many threads anyway, but if I wished to, I should be allowed to.

[thms]

for example dont make more then 5 threads each 15 minutes or so.

what exactly do you want this rule to achieve, out of curiosity?

people are always complaining about a lack of threads that are original/a lack of them in general, and that rule would just be pointless anyway? if somebody has an idea for five threads then it's not doing anybody any harm/anything wrong if they wish to post them. five within fifteen minutes is stupid, yes it would prevent any spam but the forum could benefit from more threads, no?

[dbgtz]

To be to OddKrAtNo, there are times when really bad threads get spammed that don't promote any real activity or discussion and in some cases, could easily be a couple of word reply. I, however, remain neutral on the subject and just wanted to present the other side of the argument.

[e5]

More threads the merrier! As far as I am concerned, make 5 threads in 5 minutes, as long as they are all different and don't relate and create proper discussion, then I can't complain! :D

[FlyingJesus]

and create proper discussion

This is the point I believe; those threads tend to have people responding once to the question at hand and then never returning to the thread again. There is no discussion involved :P

[GommeInc]

I think swearing/language could be opened up (yes, I'm a hypocrite for what I've said about 10 years ago).

Habbo.com is for 13+ users, yes? According to many classification sites and sources, 12A or 12+ year olds can handle the F word in light uses, so it goes to reason that lesser swear words should be fine provided they do not violate other rules (abusive behaviour etc) or are excessive to the point of being pointless (as per the relevant rule(s)).

Coupled with making moderators having powers in all forums, it shouldn't be that difficult to ensure users are not being excessive or abusive to others.

I definitely think ******* (bas.t.ard), *****, (b.itch), **** (tw.at), ***** (pri.ck), **** (di.ck), ****** (ret.ard) and a plethora of other words should not be filtered. Pri.ck was removed ages ago and for some unknown reason was refiltered, even though it was only abused once yet most of the time it was being used playfully.

This is 2015. In Guardians of the Galaxy, Nova Prime said pri.ck and that film is popular amongst teens.

Saying it is to catch out bots etc is a bit silly. Again, if you make sure moderators moderate all forums rather than are stuck to forums they probably do not care about (and some really do not have an interest in their respective forums), they can catch them out. I quite like some Wiki sites that give active and long-serving members minor moderation powers to help those with greater powers micro-moderate forums, but given Habbox's colourful history with abuse, this may not be viable.

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Leave moderating to the moderators could be removed. It's not like an ordinary user can edit a post, remove a post or move a thread anyway. Same for imitating a member of staff - the user title is there for a reason and it's not that difficult to catch someone out lying. If it's done by PM the user being scammed should know better at 13 and should man up and accept some responsibility. A warning in the PM pages saying "Know who you are talking to" ought to suffice, if all else fails.

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Posting protocol rule is just common sense or is caught out by the system. Bumping old threads shouldn't be an issue in 2015 - I rarely see forums who have that sort of draconian rule and even if they do moderator discretion is a thing.


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If anything, you could shrink the rules into a few playful lines:

BE RESPECTFUL

BE MEANINGFUL

BE HELPFUL

BE ACTIVE

And all that hippy, lovey dovey crap.

Then you can expand on them. The rule page is so untidy and authoritarian you may as well tell users fun comes with terms and conditions.

[Nick]

Funnily enough I agree with brining back global moderators because right now they have 3 moderators and 3 is enough for the forum right now and they could probably even do with 1 SMOD (If global mods arent coming back). In the situation where global moderators are re-introduced they can have a head moderator (essentially staying in their super mod user group, just a not so cool name lol), say mdport and/or e5 and the rest were normal moderators but could just moderator in all forums he could make sure everything is being done smoothly. If the forum manager doesn't want to give moderators the mod cp they could just give access to the post reports forum to all the moderators and then they edit the title and an admin job for the head moderators would be to go into the mod cp and check it of with a comment and such, whilst only the head moderators are only allowed to deal with signatures, avatars and staff. Head moderators would also have the duties of posting moderator reports/motm threads etc while the forum manager will do more admin things such as getting the stats for reports making sure everything is posted on time/everything done so that it gives the head moderators more admin work rather than just all moderating work because you do a fair amount of admin work as a forum manager, which essentially trains them up if a forum manager ever leaves they do have a general idea of what you need to do near the end of month when these things are posted. Anyway this thread isn't about this but thats what I would think about doing if i was ever back in a forum management role.

I do agree that swearing needs to be more relaxed, seeing as most 12vies smoke dope and swear at their parents why not just relax it on here. Habbo seems to be relaxing their swear filter and i'd say every other habbo forum has no filter but I think we still need a filter but for it to be more relaxed.


A5. Do not post private details or information ~ We do not allow you to post private information about yourself due to security concerns. Disclosing any information about another forum user without their consent is also not allowed. This includes:
Private messages
Forum ban reasons/dismissal reasons
Private conversations (Skype, Habbo, etc.)
Images / videos of the user or links to a page where an image/video of another user is located (this includes social networking sites, facebook, myspace etc)
Trying to organize real life meet-ups
It is also not allowed to give out the personal details (specific address, phone number etc) of anyone, forum user or otherwise.


I do think this whole rule needs to be wiped because whenever a private message from a dismissal gets 'leaked' onto a post everyone knows about it anyway, as well as the private conversations. If a member doesn't want it to be on the forum / or if its some important chat from a managers chat they can report it and it can be removed. I do think that you shouldn't be allowed to post someone elses photo without their consent and you shouldn't be able to post numbers and addresses


A8. Please observe the correct posting protocol:
Do not multiple post within the 15 minute edit time of your original threads
Do not multiple post after the the 15 minute edit time without posting valid additional information.
Do not pointlessly bump old threads. You may only bump threads if your post is relevant and something that can generate more discussion. What is and isn't pointless is up to the moderators discretion and is final.

The first line should be taken out because it will automatically add to your first post. I've also recently seen some mods will merge and modwarn peoples posts if they have posted twice in a row, it think that it isn't needed to put a modwarn on the post, I just think that you need to merge it and leave a message in the edit box and/or VM the user.

[e5]

This is the point I believe; those threads tend to have people responding once to the question at hand and then never returning to the thread again. There is no discussion involved :P
That is true :P

[GommeInc]

Might be worth pointing out, but the follow sub-rules do not exist or cannot be viewed or have been deleted:
Graphic Forum
Welcome to Habbox Forum

The rest of them could just be posted on in the Forum Rules, seeing as linking to threads written by people who either are not staff or never use the forum any more seems a bit messy.

[Nick]

So are these changes going to be made now or in 2017

Maybe (A)GM's / FM can go through and recap and go from there?

[xxMATTGxx]

So are these changes going to be made now or in 2017

Maybe (A)GM's / FM can go through and recap and go from there?

Will be happening in 2015 - One step at a time. We haven't specifically replied to any points as we wanted to have an open mind without someone coming in and saying no straight away to any of the suggestions already. We'll be discussing them this week for sure and maybe we'll see changes either at the weekend or before the end of the next one.

[Nick]

okay sounds good

[FlyingJesus]

A13. Thou shalt have no other gods before FlyingJesus

[Nick]

A13. Thou shalt have no other gods before FlyingJesus

why

[-:Undertaker:-]

No changes are really needed, the direction of travel for forum rulings in the last 5 or so years has been in the right way and more flexible.

I say keep on that path and we likely will with the forum average age growing older.

[Nick]

No changes are really needed, the direction of travel for forum rulings in the last 5 or so years has been in the right way and more flexible.

I say keep on that path and we likely will with the forum average age growing older.

What do you mean they've been more flexible. Do you mean moderators bending the rules ????

[-:Undertaker:-]

What do you mean they've been more flexible. Do you mean moderators bending the rules ????

I mean in that more common sense has been applied on a case by case basis. In other words, whilst something may technically be against the rules or could warrant action, moderators haven't taken action because they've looked at the context of the incident. Much better than it used to be which was "those r da rules sworri *bans*".

[Nick]

I mean in that more common sense has been applied on a case by case basis. In other words, whilst something may technically be against the rules or could warrant action, moderators haven't taken action because they've looked at the context of the incident. Much better than it used to be which was "those r da rules sworri *bans*".

Oh yeah I agree. I like to joke around and such and sometimes people will say rude things to each other but you have to look at the context so yeah I have been seeing a lot of that

[GommeInc]

Oh yeah I agree. I like to joke around and such and sometimes people will say rude things to each other but you have to look at the context so yeah I have been seeing a lot of that
It's one of those things Habbox has slowly been moving away from. The days of the MAD form of moderation/administration are finally showing signs of disappearing altogether, with common sense and context playing important parts rather than rigidly laying down the rules.

[Chris]

Thanks for the feedback so far everyone. This is just an acknowledgement so that you know we're not ignoring it and will be discussing it very soon! :D

[RyRy]

OH RULE CHANGES, I've been drafting up a bunch on the subreddit I moderate because it's been drama llama for the past 2 weeks...... plus somebody died. :( anyway old rules in red, new rules/changes in blue:


A1. Respect other forum members ~ Always respect other forum members, this means do not be rude towards them and respect their opinions. You should not bully or victimise other members for any reason and you should not behave in a negative manner excessively or attempt to cause arguments.

I would add to say that if you are to disagree with their opinions, attempt to do in a constructive manner. I would also say that this needs to be a rule:


A69. Do not post offensive content - Posts and comments, whether in jest or with malice, that contain racist, sexist, homophobic content, or threats will be removed, regardless of popularity or relevance to the subject or the status of the user.

That's a reddit special that a lot of the subreddits use, and I think it covers a lot of stuff as well as showing it's a zero tolerance environment. (Yes I know it's ironic me even proposing that change if you've seen the DNHL, but surprisingly people grow up. I wish I was one :3)


A2. Do not post inappropriately ~ Habbox Forum has an audience that includes younger members, and as such all content must be suitable for those members. You must not:


Talk about adult subjects in an explicit manner.
Post images, videos or links that with inappropriate content like gore, nudity, obscenity or annoyance.
Post links which may cause a nuisance to other forum members, such as "Rick Rolling" etc.

Mildly inappropriate content (never anything rated 18+) is allowed where sufficient warning is added into the post and the image or link is placed within a spoiler. The final decision on what is or is not inappropriate is at the Moderator's discretion

change to


A2. Do not post inappropriately ~ Habbox Forum has an audience that includes younger members, and as such all content must be suitable for those members. You must not:


Talk about adult subjects in an explicit manner in public.
Post images, videos or links that with inappropriate content like gore, nudity or any topic deemed offensive.
Post links which may cause a nuisance to other forum members

Mildly inappropriate content (never anything rated 18+) is allowed where sufficient warning is added into the post and the image or link is placed within a spoiler. The final decision on what is or is not inappropriate is at the Moderator's discretionNext...


A3. Do not avoid the forum filter ~ In most cases the filter must not be avoided, however, there are exceptions to this rule. Click here (http://www.habboxforum.com/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item2#faq_new_faq_item_swearin gandfilter) to see what is and isn't acceptable

You shouldn't need to explain what's acceptable and what's not, it's a very grey rule. To clean that up:


A3. Do not avoid the forum filter ~ Please do not attempt avoid the forum filter. If images are posted, please check if words are filtered. If videos are posted with excessive swearing, do not post. Videos with little swearing should be hidden in badspoiler tags.

Cleans it all up in a simple rule. Acronyms aren't a big deal, and offending other users is a rule in itself so this doesn't come under that rule.


A4. Do not accuse others of scamming or hacking, or any other illegal activity ~ making baseless accusations only leads to arguments and often members are targeted wrongly or unfairly. We do not allow you to accuse anyone of hacking, scamming or illegal activities with or without evidence so as to maintain a positive atmosphere about the forum.

to.


A4. Super Moderators must approve any accusations of scamming or hacking, or any other illegal activity ~ making baseless accusations only leads to arguments and often members are targeted wrongly or unfairly. Provide evidence to a Super Moderator before posting, this is at Moderators discretionORIGINAL


A5. Do not post private details or information ~ We do not allow you to post private information about yourself due to security concerns. Disclosing any information about another forum user without their consent is also not allowed. This includes:


Private messages
Forum ban reasons/dismissal reasons
Private conversations (Skype, Habbo, etc.)
Images / videos of the user or links to a page where an image/video of another user is located (this includes social networking sites, facebook, myspace etc)
Trying to organize real life meet-ups
It is also not allowed to give out the personal details (specific address, phone number etc) of anyone, forum user or otherwise.


You are, however, allowed to post pictures of yourself and use them as your profile picture, avatar and as a signature image. You may also share your email address and social networking profiles on the forum.

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A5. Do not post private details or information ~ We do not allow you to post private information about yourself due to security concerns. Disclosing any information about another forum user without their consent is also not allowed. This includes:



Private messages
Private conversations (Skype, Habbo, etc.)
Images / videos of the user or links to a page where an image/video of another user is located (this includes social networking sites, facebook, myspace etc)
Trying to organize real life meet-ups (if the opposite user is under 18)
It is also not allowed to give out the personal details (specific address, phone number etc) of anyone, forum user or otherwise.


You are, however, allowed to post pictures of yourself and use them as your profile picture, avatar and as a signature image. You may also share your email address and social networking profiles on the forum.Reason I say under 18 is because ultimately a lot of players do meet up around that age, but by that point you're classed an adult but before that HxF is pretty much due a legal responsibility in protecting its users. If that can be enforced correctly, that'd be cool. Reason I say opposite user is like if it's a guy asking a girl under 18 out, or girl asking guy. I just don't think that's a rule that should be removed.


A6. Do not use this forum for any illegal practices, including but not limited to:


Being involved in hacking or encouraging hacking
Breaking of the Habbo Way or encouraging T&C violation.
Posting warez or other illegal downloads.



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A6. Do not use this forum for any illegal practices, including but not limited to:



Being involved in hacking or encouraging hacking
Breaking of the Habbo Way or encouraging T&C violation.
Posting warez, illegal torrents, illegal streams or other illegal downloads.




A7. Do not post pointlessly ~

~ Do not post off-topic. An off-topic post has no relevance to the topic or any previous post that is relevant, or does little to positively contribute to the discussion.
~ Do not spam/make pointless posts. It is not allowed to post random, meaningless, posts or threads on the forum. Examples of this are (ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!); (BYRDSB +HKK; ) (I am a plane)
~ Do not posts threads which only allow for short, one or two word answers and do not promote active discussion. Repeatably posting short replies such as "Yes" or "Nope" is also forbidden. What is classed as pointless or abuse is entirely down to the discretion of the Forum Department.
~ You may not make posts that contain plain images only. Images that includes text are allowed so long as they are relevant to the threads discussion. This rule does not apply to the forum games or spam forums.

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A7. Do not post pointlessly (explained below). Rule does not apply to Spam Forums:

~ Do not post off-topic. An off-topic post has no relevance to the topic or any previous post that is relevant, or does little to positively contribute to the discussion.
~ Do not spam/make pointless posts. It is not allowed to post random, meaningless, posts or threads on the forum. Examples of this are ("LOLOLOLOLOL"); ("2342sdfsfd34fxzcv") ("IM BORED ~ Tara 2k15, 2k14, 2k13 etc.").
~ Do not posts threads which only allow for short, one or two word answers and do not promote active discussion. Repeatably posting short replies such as "Yes" or "Nope" is also forbidden. What is classed as pointless or abuse is entirely down to the discretion of the Forum Department.
~ You may not make posts that contain plain images only. Images that includes text are allowed so long as they are relevant to the threads discussion

A8. Please observe the correct posting protocol:


Do not multiple post within the 15 minute edit time of your original threads
Do not multiple post after the the 15 minute edit time without posting valid additional information.
Do not pointlessly bump old threads. You may only bump threads if your post is relevant and something that can generate more discussion. What is and isn't pointless is up to the moderators discretion and is final.



Increase the timer to:


A8. Please observe the correct posting protocol:


Do not multiple post within the 30 minute edit time of your original threads
Do not multiple post after the the 30 minute edit time without posting valid additional information.
Do not pointlessly bump old threads. You may only bump threads if your post is relevant and something that can generate more discussion. What is and isn't pointless is up to the moderators discretion and is final.



No issue with A9.


A10. Do not give or ask for pointless reputation ~ Give reputation points because the post helped you or you found it funny or insightful – not because the person is your friend. It is not allowed to ask for reputation either, whether directly or indirectly.

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A10. Do not give or ask for pointless reputation ~ Give reputation points because the post helped you or you found it funny or insightful – not because the person is your friend. It is not allowed to ask for reputation either, whether directly or indirectly. During Christmas periods, it is acceptable to give user reps as this is not considered a pointless act. It is also okay to ask for rep when a user offers this, but only if they offered first.
A11 & A12 no issues either.

[Kyle]

chill out pyroka

[Bloop]

rip to freedom of speech on the forum

[FlyingJesus]

Ban Ryan

[RyRy]

chill out pyroka

I'm in serious moderator mode and have been for a while. A girl on a subreddit I moderate killed herself, and I've been dealing with people who think its funny to troll that... so I'm in serious rules mode too.

To be fair though if you read through the adjustments I've only eased up on things, haven't really tightened up on anything... except maybe the actual meaning of the rules, making them a little more concise without having to put that in 200 words and an external link on what you can and cant say.

plus im bored n tired.

[GommeInc]

Ban Ryan
What have I done? Ban Fry >:(

I like how everyone can tell you've graduated, Fry :P That post took a nice amount of effort :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

I would make the suggestion of making the reason of "wahhh that offends me" not actually a reason for something to be banned/removed/changed.

[FlyingJesus]

Sure as long as we crack down more on slander and open trolling *+*+*

[RyRy]

Sure as long as we crack down more on slander and open trolling *+*+*

Steady now, we don't want to kill the forum off.

[dbgtz]

Sure as long as we crack down more on slander and open trolling *+*+*

Looks like you'd be one of the first then :O
http://i.imgur.com/3nK1t3J.png

[wixard]

hahahahaha fj that was funny

[GommeInc]

A change that could be introduced is having the Forum Manager actually manage the forum, and keeping those with exceptionally large noses out of his role. You know, ones that ban things without notifying members and generally lacking the intelligence to know what is and isn't offensive, and also for listening to a small number of members who also lack the intelligence to know what is and isn't offensive, to save huge arguments which make them look stupid.

Sounds like an acceptable change.

[Danny]

Come off it, almost everything will offend somebody.

[The Don]

A change that could be introduced is having the Forum Manager actually manage the forum, and keeping those with exceptionally large noses out of his role. You know, ones that ban things without notifying members and generally lacking the intelligence to know what is and isn't offensive, and also for listening to a small number of members who also lack the intelligence to know what is and isn't offensive, to save huge arguments which make them look stupid.

Sounds like an acceptable change.

Oh and here I was thinking what's offensive is subjective to the individual. I don't care about the flag he had in his signature, doesn't bother me in the slightest. People need to realise though that this is a forum which has rules and whilst everyone loves the idea of free speech the reality is people do get offended by others. The forum managers end goal is to encourage users to post around the forum, not to protect our freedoms.

[GommeInc]

Oh and here I was thinking what's offensive is subjective to the individual. I don't care about the flag he had in his signature, doesn't bother me in the slightest. People need to realise though that this is a forum which has rules and whilst everyone loves the idea of free speech the reality is people do get offended by others. The forum managers end goal is to encourage users to post around the forum, not to protect our freedoms.
Why demean the forum by the ignorance of a few? I think management bullying members is disgusting, especially when they put their ego before intelligence. If they accept they are wrong, good. But don't encourage stupidity by continuing down a road of ignorance.

Also, Undertaker was a heavy poster. Now with him being bullied out of the forum, they have one less member to post. So it's a lose-lose.

[Empired]

Yes I have one change I'd love to see implemented

let's stop posting passive aggressive things in the "What changes should we make to the forum rules?" just to make our point now that the thread we were posting in before has been closed

[dbgtz]

Oh and here I was thinking what's offensive is subjective to the individual. I don't care about the flag he had in his signature, doesn't bother me in the slightest. People need to realise though that this is a forum which has rules and whilst everyone loves the idea of free speech the reality is people do get offended by others. The forum managers end goal is to encourage users to post around the forum, not to protect our freedoms.

Right but we don't even know who reported him. They could be randomers who signed up just to complain for all we know and they're not going to post more than him. I feel we should follow Habbo and just encourage users to ignore others (hiding sigs, avatars or blocking users outright which I think can be done). Anyone could literally be offended by anything and I think this is a poor decision because of that.

Also a slightly unrelated point, I find it funny that Zitrones post of the ISIS flag was removed but mines still there lmao. Oh it's also funny that the thread was closed.

[David]

forum change: the rep limit

[RyRy]

A change that could be introduced is having the Forum Manager actually manage the forum, and keeping those with exceptionally large noses out of his role. You know, ones that ban things without notifying members and generally lacking the intelligence to know what is and isn't offensive, and also for listening to a small number of members who also lack the intelligence to know what is and isn't offensive, to save huge arguments which make them look stupid.

Sounds like an acceptable change.

That's actually a good change, I haven't seen anything changed under Phil's reign (no offence Phil) and I can't help but wonder whether that's due to overly controlling management (that also includes co-owners for those with a victim complex).

The fact is Habbox is HabboxForum now for the most part, but it'll always stay that way as long as most of the management focus on the forum itself. If you had management span out further and look towards Habbo and improving the site, you may find you get an increase in users that way. Leave the Forum Manager to manage the forum, else just do away with the job and have GM, AGMs and Co-owners manage it themselves. Do we still have an Assistant Forum Manager by the way? I assume not as it'd be harder to puppeteer two people.

Problem is though you've recommended it at a time when people are overly salty about what's happened to Dan, so a good idea is going to be marked by hissyfitting (as demonstrated above my post).

[Chris]

forum change: the rep limit

Even better: Remove rep and get a like system!


That's actually a good change, I haven't seen anything changed under Phil's reign (no offence Phil) and I can't help but wonder whether that's due to overly controlling management (that also includes co-owners for those with a victim complex).

The fact is Habbox is HabboxForum now for the most part, but it'll always stay that way as long as most of the management focus on the forum itself. If you had management span out further and look towards Habbo and improving the site, you may find you get an increase in users that way. Leave the Forum Manager to manage the forum, else just do away with the job and have GM, AGMs and Co-owners manage it themselves. Do we still have an Assistant Forum Manager by the way? I assume not as it'd be harder to puppeteer two people.

Problem is though you've recommended it at a time when people are overly salty about what's happened to Dan, so a good idea is going to be marked by hissyfitting (as demonstrated above my post).

Phil can do pretty much whatever he likes with little interference from anyone above him.

[David]

Even better: Remove rep and get a like system!

good idea, could they hate you any more right now even if you did?

http://31.media.tumblr.com/cbdd033de1f2a6af5f1c690f6e3929a1/tumblr_inline_nr8rq5cbGn1r79k32_500.gif

[GommeInc]

Right but we don't even know who reported him. They could be randomers who signed up just to complain for all we know and they're not going to post more than him. I feel we should follow Habbo and just encourage users to ignore others (hiding sigs, avatars or blocking users outright which I think can be done). Anyone could literally be offended by anything and I think this is a poor decision because of that.

Also a slightly unrelated point, I find it funny that Zitrones post of the ISIS flag was removed but mines still there lmao. Oh it's also funny that the thread was closed.
Not forgetting that although what causes offence is subjective and varies from person to person, if you are being offended by something you are being mistaken by, you're just looking like an idiot. You shouldn't be offended by a State Flag just because you're dumb enough to mistake it for the Confederate Flag. Facilitating it like Wispur and his supposed team have done doesn't reflect well on them either, especially when Wispur refuses to accept he is wrong and just closes the thread. I thought Habbox got over hiring arrogant GMs. Just tell those who complained that they are mistaken! It's better than rolling with it and refusing to accept you are wrong.


Phil can do pretty much whatever he likes with little interference from anyone above him.
Good, then stop interfering with his department and have him revert this rule which apparently came in based on your lack of knowledge of the Confederation. Have you apologised to Undertaker yet?

[MKR&*42]

Omfg if you start this rep vs like debate AGAIN....

[Inseriousity.]

Even better: Remove rep and get a like system!



Phil can do pretty much whatever he likes with little interference from anyone above him.

In your opinions thread, mdport. made it sound otherwise :P

"The Events scenario that you blamed on everyone else but yourself pissed me off quite a bit. After that it became clear that you like to call all the shots but like having someone by your side that you can blame it on if it all goes pear-shaped. If it goes well, then you'll take the credit for it. You don't seem to want to let go of the Forum Manager or AGM Staff roles, as you still either have a massive input in decisions made or you still have that role entirely."

[Chris]

good idea, could they hate you any more right now even if you did?

http://31.media.tumblr.com/cbdd033de1f2a6af5f1c690f6e3929a1/tumblr_inline_nr8rq5cbGn1r79k32_500.gif

Probably not :P


In your opinions thread, mdport. made it sound otherwise :P

"The Events scenario that you blamed on everyone else but yourself pissed me off quite a bit. After that it became clear that you like to call all the shots but like having someone by your side that you can blame it on if it all goes pear-shaped. If it goes well, then you'll take the credit for it. You don't seem to want to let go of the Forum Manager or AGM Staff roles, as you still either have a massive input in decisions made or you still have that role entirely."

Yeah I dont know what made him say that so I would be interested to know why.

[Inseriousity.]

Me too (yeah I'm just nosy). mdport.;

[FlyingJesus]

Looks like you'd be one of the first then :O
http://i.imgur.com/3nK1t3J.png

That's a funny looking picture of the forum you've got there


Why demean the forum by the ignorance of a few?

I agree, Dan should have been banned long ago

[GommeInc]

I agree, Dan should have been banned long ago
He hasn't been banned and shouldn't be unless he actually breaks some rules. He didn't break the rules with the signature he had!

Also, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You say slander is bad yet you call everyone a racist who supports Dan. Hardly admirable.

[FlyingJesus]

No I don't, please don't slander me by suggesting I've said things which I haven't

[Kardan]

Wispur; - If you've told the forum moderators to remove confederate flags from the forum, can you at least tell them to remove nazi flags from the forum. I reported one and got told that it's not against the rules which seems laughable given what's happened today.

[scottish]

and ISIS.

[Phil]

A change that could be introduced is having the Forum Manager actually manage the forum, and keeping those with exceptionally large noses out of his role. You know, ones that ban things without notifying members and generally lacking the intelligence to know what is and isn't offensive, and also for listening to a small number of members who also lack the intelligence to know what is and isn't offensive, to save huge arguments which make them look stupid.

Sounds like an acceptable change.

I have no idea if this is a dig at me or someone else.. This was a staff matter therefore I wasn't even dealing with it?

I would like to see this thread starting to get back on topic please.

[GoldenMerc]

Looks like you'd be one of the first then :O
http://i.imgur.com/3nK1t3J.png @flyingpeadofile; Oh, I mean @FlyingJesus (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24753);

I find this pretty funny, I'd love to know how you can justify saying myself & @scottish (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=53890); have brains the size of fleas, pretty funny. Aren't you the person who is 25, failed first year of uni, failed last year... doing FASHION, ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? - I'd love to hear about all the celebrities like Victoria Beckham who studied fashion at Uni also...

*REMOVED*

Never the less, is it racist supporting the dukes of hazzard flag?

Edited by mdport. (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not insult other members.

[J0SH]

@flyingpeadofile; Oh, I mean @FlyingJesus (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24753);

I find this pretty funny, I'd love to know how you can justify saying myself & @scottish (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=53890); have brains the size of fleas, pretty funny. Aren't you the person who is 25, failed first year of uni, failed last year... doing FASHION, ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? - I'd love to hear about all the celebrities like Victoria Beckham who studied fashion at Uni also...

*REMOVED*

Never the less, is it racist supporting the dukes of hazzard flag?



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[Chris]

We have compiled a list from this thread and will be discussing it throughout the week. We'll let you know of any proposed changes in a new thread so that you can comment on them.

[FlyingJesus]

@flyingpeadofile;

Oh look more slander, and from someone who is a genuine predator. Wow


I find this pretty funny, I'd love to know how you can justify saying myself & @scottish (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=53890); have brains the size of fleas

Because you're brainless idiots with clear learning difficulties


Aren't you the person who is 25, failed first year of uni, failed last year

Nope. You already attempted to attack me on this in the past (via PM even) and you were made to look a fool then, too


... doing FASHION, ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? - I'd love to hear about all the celebrities like Victoria Beckham who studied fashion at Uni also...

Yeah being successful and influential across the whole world sure would suck. Just showing your lack of intelligence again here


Never the less, is it racist supporting the dukes of hazzard flag?

Nope, didn't say it was. Come back when you're crying over me less

[buttons]

tom do you ever grow up? you started this by calling them racist and pea brains but then when someone defends themselves you cry SLANDER!! you are genuinely the reason that i stopped using this forum. you're rude and manipulative. i won't lower myself to your level but don't say scott has learning disabilities when 1) you have a go at anyone who is 'ableist' when you're doing it right now and 2) ross is right, they are much more successful in life than you are. give it a rest. you make this forum such an unenjoyable place to be.

[GoldenMerc]

Oh look more slander, and from someone who is a genuine predator. Wow



Because you're brainless idiots with clear learning difficulties



Nope. You already attempted to attack me on this in the past (via PM even) and you were made to look a fool then, too



Yeah being successful and influential across the whole world sure would suck. Just showing your lack of intelligence again here



Nope, didn't say it was. Come back when you're crying over me less

I sort of expected you to realise your arguement's are boring and that's most likely why Dan was debates leader and you weren't... Although I still find you are a bit sore over that.

Never the less your stating that everyone who is successful goes to university, can I just remind you;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/fameandfortune/11003122/Britains-billionaires-who-never-went-to-university.html

& also the fact that most people I know didnt go to university, earn £60k+ which is more than you'll ever earn ;)

[FlyingJesus]

tom do you ever grow up? you started this by calling them racist and pea brains but then when someone defends themselves you cry SLANDER!!

Well yeah if I get slandered I'm going to correct it. I'm well aware that I started it (this time, let's just ignore the constant digs they make at/about me when I'm not even in discussion with them) but that doesn't excuse being so horribly wrong about everything


1) you have a go at anyone who is 'ableist' when you're doing it right now and 2) ross is right, they are much more successful in life than you are.

1) No I don't, 2) never said otherwise


I sort of expected you to realise your arguement's are boring and that's most likely why Dan was debates leader and you weren't... Although I still find you are a bit sore over that.

I've never wanted to be, I think it shouldn't even be a role so dunno where that's coming from


Never the less your stating that everyone who is successful goes to university

No I'm not, I've never said or thought anything of the sort :S I just said that Victoria Beckham is successful and influential

Do love it when people make up arguments I've not even come close to touching on

[scottish]

don't care for 25+ year olds who are still in first year of uni (care even less if they're doing fashion) who have achieved nothing in life trying to insult my intelligence.

but I am curious how I'm racist..

'friends needed' might be enough to shut up your normal target audience of 13 years old but you're a bit out of your depths here.

what was removed from goldenmercs post? someone pm me

[FlyingJesus]

3rd year*
A large part of intelligence is reading comprehension

But yeah sorry if I don't screenshot everything people have ever said on Habbo for reference so that I can keep petty grudges for no reason, I'll make sure to do that in future in case anyone ever questions something I say

[scottish]

3rd year*
A large part of intelligence is reading comprehension

But yeah sorry if I don't screenshot everything people have ever said on Habbo for reference so that I can keep petty grudges for no reason, I'll make sure to do that in future in case anyone ever questions something I say

Yet you're the one bringing up the 'petty grudge' lol.

grow up.

[GoldenMerc]

3rd year*
A large part of intelligence is reading comprehension

But yeah sorry if I don't screenshot everything people have ever said on Habbo for reference so that I can keep petty grudges for no reason, I'll make sure to do that in future in case anyone ever questions something I say

So you've spent most likely £30,000 for a job that will struggle to bring you in £20,000 a year.

Maybe if you had a decent IQ, you'd realise you could maybe invest into being a doctor, or take a leaf out of my book and invest into companies, own a 2015 car, own business, have people working for you, have head hunters trying to hire you day in day out.

Instead, you are failing university, grooming 16 year olds (cabl & previously Shaz), your 25, grow up, you are holding a grudge on a forum.

[FlyingJesus]

Please, do carry on with the lies and false accusations, it makes you look great

[buttons]

Please, do carry on with the lies and false accusations, it makes you look great
.... this is all over you making accusations over a grudge lmao! the hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness is unreal honestly.

[FlyingJesus]

No it's over me making a statement about unsavoury individuals, but thanks for chiming in where you're not needed as usual

[buttons]

Since I KNOW scott and I KNOW he doesn't have learning disabilities nor is he racist, I'll say what I want lol u just randomly called them racist for posting in dan's thread and brought scott into it despite the fact he's barely online, so lame

[FlyingJesus]

I didn't call them racist FOR that, this has been explained. I said that the racists were defending him, not that they're racist for doing it, this is not difficult stuff, but ok maybe he's not racist any more I'll take your word for it

[buttons]

well you do like to say how much you've changed into a really nice person so im sure you can change your opinion and stop your SLANDERING and LIES about others then thx

[mrwoooooooo]

erm mods? pls stop this pathetic argument, you're all as thick as each other

[Evanora]

oh stop the dramatics this is ridiculous

[Chris]

Okay thats enough of that :P

Thanks for the feedback everyone, we'll post a followup soon!