goodbye -:undertaker:-

[scottish]

So long -:Undertaker:-

[lemons]

goodbye undertaker :( i hope thing work out well with ur new date

[buttons]

inb4 drama

http://reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/popcorn_stephen_colbert.gif

[Evanora]

this is the worst news ive heard all week and my grandma died on monday :(

[Inseriousity.]

Sigh

[scottish]

this is the worst news ive heard all week and my grandma died on monday :(

it's fine Sunday is the start of the new week so that was technically last week.

[GoldenMerc]

Another decent staff member they have lost because of Chris... woop

[thms]

farewell my fellow liverpudlian drinks on me in heebies

[Chris]

Another decent staff member they have lost because of Chris... woop

Yes, it was all my doing! I just went a bit too far whilst I was high on all this power. Whoops!

No but really, thanks for your time Dan. It wasn't necessary for this to happen but you are too stuck in your ways to understand that a Habbo forum is not the place for this to happen.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yes, it was all my doing! I just went a bit too far whilst I was high on all this power. Whoops! No but really, thanks for your time Dan. It wasn't necessary for this to happen but you are too stuck in your ways to understand that a Habbo forum is not the place for this to happen. the fact most people posting think this is absurd goes to show just how detatched you are from the people and users who make this habbo forum what it is.

[FlyingJesus]

What happened did people finally realise that I THINK THIS, DO YOU? IF NOT YOU'RE AN IDIOT FOR A COMPLETELY UNRELATED REASON AND I WILL MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN isn't a debate

[Chris]

the fact most people posting think this is absurd goes to show just how detatched you are from the people and users who make this habbo forum what it is.

I don't make these decisions alone. Everyone else can say what they want, removing a flag has nothing to do with how in touch I am with the Habbo community.

Anyway...

http://i.lvme.me/m2rvdr5.jpg

[-:Undertaker:-]

I don't make these decisions alone. Everyone else can say what they want, removing a flag has nothing to do with how in touch I am with the Habbo community. no, but telling long standing users that you can do whatever you like is very out of touch and arrogant dear.

*REMOVED*

Edited by mdport. (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not post private details or information.

[GoldenMerc]

Chris made up a rule on the spot because he didn't like something, didn't ask the community what they wanted. He done it because he can I guess...

Once again Chris overruling the community.

[Chris]

no, but telling long standing users that you can do whatever you like is very out of touch and arrogant dear.

*REMOVED*

Oh please, anyone with half a brain can see that I was taking the pee.


Chris made up a rule on the spot because he didn't like something, didn't ask the community what they wanted. He done it because he can I guess...

Once again Chris overruling the community.

Wait...I need to ask the community whether they want a flag on the forum? Lets poll it shall we?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Oh please, anyone with half a brain can see that I was taking the pee. nah the attitude just stinks really, the decision was absurd. are all the people posting confederate and official US flags gonna recieve infractions lmao

[GoldenMerc]

Oh please, anyone with half a brain can see that I was taking the pee.



Wait...I need to ask the community whether they want a flag on the forum? Lets poll it shall we?

Well essentially as you are threatening to ban a forum member because they have a flag as their signature... saying you have now made it banned from the forum essentially a rule.


Stop acting like a moron and realise what you are doing, your banning someone for showing their opinions and beliefs.

[Chris]

nah the attitude just stinks really, the decision was absurd. are all the people posting confederate and official US flags gonna recieve infractions lmao

Your ideas of absurd are very different to ours (General Managements). We made the decision to ban the flag, if you don't like it then thats tough I'm afraid. Those people wont get infracted, the posts will probably just be removed.


Well essentially as you are threatening to ban a forum member because they have a flag as their signature... saying you have now made it banned from the forum essentially a rule.


Stop acting like a moron and realise what you are doing, your banning someone for showing their opinions and beliefs.

Lol okay Ross!!!

[dbgtz]

Thanks undertaker shame to see & some of you may not have agreed with his posts but at least he kept activity going.

What is it with people needing a safe space all of a sudden, especially when there's been worse things than a bloody flag posted on this forum.

What is happening here reminds me a lot of 1930's Germany with their abusive policies (see relevant flag below).
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Flag_variant_of_Nazi_Party_%281923%29.svg/640px-Flag_variant_of_Nazi_Party_%281923%29.svg.png
Oh **** do I hate jews now?!

[lemons]

oh i really feel awful for people who lose sleep over a flag they probably didn't know or care about 2 weeks ago

life

is

hard

[FlyingJesus]

Why is everyone crying I've had to remove an image from my sig because it "caused offence" in the past and what I did was remove it and laugh to myself for approximately 3 seconds because it was just a picture of Jesus and my life goes on without images that have nothing to do with me. Has Dan turned from UKIP standard-bearer to slack jawed yokel and got the other racists involved or something

[scottish]

What happened did people finally realise that I THINK THIS, DO YOU? IF NOT YOU'RE AN IDIOT FOR A COMPLETELY UNRELATED REASON AND I WILL MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN isn't a debate

no it was unrelated

[GoldenMerc]

Unsure what General management this is;
http://tashload.com/Uploader/uploads//WR964Jb.png

Is this the same general management decision you made yourself when you changed the userbars....

[scottish]

Oh please, anyone with half a brain can see that I was taking the pee.



Wait...I need to ask the community whether they want a flag on the forum? Lets poll it shall we?

a poll is always the answer

[Chris]

Unsure what General management this is;
http://tashload.com/Uploader/uploads//WR964Jb.png

Is this the same general management decision you made yourself when you changed the userbars....

He isn't publicly involved, but believe me he has enough to say about it. As co-owner he can choose whether or not to get involved with the drama, and since this is just utterly stupid I don't blame him for staying out of it.

Also I wasn't general manager when I changed the userbars. Get it right.


a poll is always the answer

It normally does the trick

[lemons]

welll well well my post was edited by matt g

[scottish]

Wispur; can you ban FlyingJesus; his signature oppresses me.

[-:Undertaker:-]

and since this is just utterly stupid I don't blame him for staying out of it. wow you can say that again, the posts of the flag here just show how absurd everyone thinks it is

[Absently]

Why is everyone crying I've had to remove an image from my sig because it "caused offence" in the past and what I did was remove it and laugh to myself for approximately 3 seconds because it was just a picture of Jesus and my life goes on without images that have nothing to do with me. Has Dan turned from UKIP standard-bearer to slack jawed yokel and got the other racists involved or something

This is what is confusing me majorly.. Several complaints were made and the signature was removed, why has this become such a big deal? It's quite frankly silly.

Goodbye, onwards and upwards :) hopefully some nice new debates coming our way soon :D

[Nick]

can someone tell me why these flags are racist without going in depth with politics because i dont care

[-:Undertaker:-]

can someone tell me why these flags are racist without going in depth with politics because i dont care some people say they are racist because the CSA had slavery (although so did many major nations at time and i think some US northern states too) although they're too thick to understand that the CSA flag is just a national flag and the civil war was actually fought over states rights rather than slavery. a moderator or chris could've sussed this out with a quick wikipedia check+logic in like ten mins, but instead decided to go into ---MAD--- mode.

[FlyingJesus]

can someone tell me why these flags are racist without going in depth with politics because i dont care

Because they were used in the 50s by segregationists to show their "Southern pride". The original meaning of the flag wasn't racist (which is why people are now going mental and pretending to not be at fault in any way when they swing it around) but as everyone knows, meanings change

And then Dan comes along and is wrong about stuff and it all flares up

[-:Undertaker:-]

Because they were used in the 50s by segregationists to show their "Southern pride". The original meaning of the flag wasn't racist (which is why people are now going mental and pretending to not be at fault in any way when they swing it around) but as everyone knows, meanings change that's wrong actually as the KKK always used the US flag as it is now. it was the USA after all which had segregration until the 1950s yet we can rightly separate a flag from a policy. and yes though the CSA flag is used by some crackpots although on the other hand so is the British flag (BNP, EDL etc).

[lemons]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Politics/Pix/pictures/2009/04/23/boris460.gif

[dbgtz]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Politics/Pix/pictures/2009/04/23/boris460.gif

http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/708262/stream_img.jpg

[lemons]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/03/article-2182965-1453AD23000005DC-394_634x792.jpg

[-:Undertaker:-]

http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/politics-other-controversies/152448d1435166773-clinton-campaign-used-confederate-flag-92-arkansas.jpg

[FlyingJesus]

that's wrong actually as the KKK always used the US flag as it is now.

I didn't mention the KKK. This is why you were a crap debates manager, shame that now you'll get to go around pretending to be a victim of the evil liberals when you should have been fired months ago for simply not being any good at your "job"

[Ms.Aquamarine]

My goodness..

http://www.rulen.com/myths/

Such a shame to see you go Dan. :(

[-:Undertaker:-]

My goodness.. http://www.rulen.com/myths/ Such a shame to see you go Dan. :( ooer good fact file there, make sure Wispur; and mdport.; have a read of this. and thank you xx

[Samantha]

Oh, bye Dan! Thanks for your time throughout Habbox, I wondered what your PM was about earlier, and I agreed with a point about a certain flag lmao. I guess there are people with strong views against the ones in question though! Good luck with your job and everything it's a shame dismissal had to come into it though, it really is.

Sent from my C5303 using Tapatalk

[Matt]

ooer good fact file there, make sure @Wispur (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55895); and @mdport. (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=67543); have a read of this. and thank you xx

It wasn't just one user that complained, it was multiple. If it were the other way round and you (along with a number of others) complained about someone's signature image being offensive and we just left it, I'm sure you'd be up in arms. Your way of handling the situation wasn't exactly mature as plastering it all over your profile and posting numerous posts about us removing it (all whilst the decision on whether or not to allow it was still being decided) probably didn't help your case either.

Thanks for your time.

[GommeInc]

Wait, so some intellectually challenged individuals made complaints about a flag, got the management involved, somehow persuaded them that they are right and by a bad concoction of ego tripping, ignorance and arrogance, came to a decision to fire a Debate Manager which has actually done a decent job in a forum that was otherwise going to die had they not been chosen?

Who the heck even is Wispur? I didn't know we had a new GM? I haven't seen them around the forum like the previous GM. Should we even have a GM which doesn't seem actively involved in the community making dodgy decisions? Judging from the comments here and sent to me by PM, they're the worst choice in GM as they handle a problem with the amount of grace found exclusively in a bull in a china shop with a firework up their ******.

I thought Habbox grew out of it's MAD style of management. Instead of handling a situation well they just fire good members of their team because it's their way or the highway, **** up exponentially in the process by appearing arrogant and coming off as a bit of a dunce. Dan has done a really good job running that forum. Considering his form of debate on a personal level is questionable at times, the topics he chooses and the way he moderates that forum is reasonably impartial and open. Not forgetting he actually tries . That forum has been knocking on Death's door for years and he's at least tried to keep it from going under. The previous "leaders" have had huge difficulties with it.

All I can say is FOW and I look forward to Habbox choosing it's next GM.


It wasn't just one user that complained, it was multiple. If it were the other way round and you (along with a number of others) complained about someone's signature image being offensive and we just left it, I'm sure you'd be up in arms. Your way of handling the situation wasn't exactly mature as plastering it all over your profile and posting numerous posts about us removing it (all whilst the decision on whether or not to allow it was still being decided) probably didn't help your case either.

Thanks for your time.
Head. Backside. Remove it.

Firstly, the decision was already made seeing as Wispur already stated it was banned. Secondly, this is a forum. At least discuss it. Third, know who you are speaking to. Dan wouldn't complain about something so trivial so saying he would be up in arms is ridiculous.

I'm shocked some members in power do not know their members.

[GoldenMerc]

It wasn't just one user that complained, it was multiple. If it were the other way round and you (along with a number of others) complained about someone's signature image being offensive and we just left it, I'm sure you'd be up in arms. Your way of handling the situation wasn't exactly mature as plastering it all over your profile and posting numerous posts about us removing it (all whilst the decision on whether or not to allow it was still being decided) probably didn't help your case either.

Thanks for your time.
peer pressure

[GommeInc]

peer pressure
Everyone loves a weak leader with an ego.

[FlyingJesus]

Which debates forum are you looking at Ryan because the one on this board is run almost totally by the members and had a supposed "manager" who gave out about 4 awards in 2 years (with no explanation of what they were about) and was purposefully rude and abusive to members of the community while hiding behind a façade of pompous trollishness - and then claimed that his job was to bully and provoke people rather than to, say, set legitimate debates and oversee their evolution.

No idea who's been complaining about flags and all that but are we really going to pretend that Dan's anything other than a disillusioned child with more rhetoric than education and who thrives on pissing people off so that he can feel ultra special and self righteous to such a degree that he's apparently willing to become an American just to annoy everyone

I have no love for Chris as anyone can probably tell you but Dan being fired was well overdue

[GoldenMerc]

Which debates forum are you looking at Ryan because the one on this board is run almost totally by the members and had a supposed "manager" who gave out about 4 awards in 2 years (with no explanation of what they were about) and was purposefully rude and abusive to members of the community while hiding behind a façade of pompous trollishness - and then claimed that his job was to bully and provoke people rather than to, say, set legitimate debates and oversee their evolution.

No idea who's been complaining about flags and all that but are we really going to pretend that Dan's anything other than a disillusioned child with more rhetoric than education and who thrives on pissing people off so that he can feel ultra special and self righteous to such a degree that he's apparently willing to become an American just to annoy everyone

I have no love for Chris as anyone can probably tell you but Dan being fired was well overdue

If you like it or not, Dan doing debates sparked up more posting & allowed users to interact and express their opinions. Its up to you now to realise that or not.

[FlyingJesus]

Dan didn't do most debates (http://www.habboxforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=209)

And if having no idea how to conduct a real debate is worthy of rewards and praise then let's have tallcoolguy007 as our next debates manager

[RyRy]

Arriving late but here's my input on what shouldn't even be an issue.

A signature is offending users so you remove the signature and warn the user as per forum policy. ISSUE RESOLVED, NO FURTHER ACTION, DONE. Unless you're a HxF GM in which case you completely overreact.

Nobody needed to be fired over this, and why flags are being banned I don't even know, really if people are offended by it then I suggest they go watch Fox or CNN and learn about how the Pope is the evilest man of 2015 as that seems more pressing. Maybe we should ban pictures of the pope as he's offensive to a large amount of Americans... that'll be the next offensive issue of this year!

Anyway, Wispur; have a bit of humility, revert the firing and revert this silly flag ban. If you're going to fire Dan over other things that he's done before, it may have been worth growing a pair and firing him before he upset a couple of people with a .png file. Or stick to your guns and convince yourself you were right, that'll be one person convinced at least.

[Shockwave.2CC]

Thanks for your time

[wixard]

he would have never put it in his signature if all the controversy surrounding it didn't come to light in the past few months. he was asked to remove it and comply and he kicked up a fuss... this has been going on for weeks i believe

hate to pull this line again but it's a habbo forum, we're not even allowed to curse so get over yourself if the flag is apparently offensive to other people they're making the right decision to remove it and he needs to get over that. undertaker there's a reason your date kicked you out the other night and when this hostility happens with more than one person maybe you shouldn't be so quick to put the blame on others way of thinking or logic and start thinking that you as a person need to just shut up sometimes. every day id like to tell customers where the **** to go but bite my tongue, YOU CAN TOO

good luck in the future shame it happened but all you had to do was argue your point about the flag, and if they still insisted on you keeping it out of your signature RESPECT THAT DECISION FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF THE INDIVIDUALs who got offended

god

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Arriving late but here's my input on what shouldn't even be an issue.

A signature is offending users so you remove the signature and warn the user as per forum policy. ISSUE RESOLVED, NO FURTHER ACTION, DONE. Unless you're a HxF GM in which case you completely overreact.

Nobody needed to be fired over this, and why flags are being banned I don't even know, really if people are offended by it then I suggest they go watch Fox or CNN and learn about how the Pope is the evilest man of 2015 as that seems more pressing. Maybe we should ban pictures of the pope as he's offensive to a large amount of Americans... that'll be the next offensive issue of this year!

Anyway, @Wispur (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55895); have a bit of humility, revert the firing and revert this silly flag ban. If you're going to fire Dan over other things that he's done before, it may have been worth growing a pair and firing him before he upset a couple of people with a .png file. Or stick to your guns and convince yourself you were right, that'll be one person convinced at least.


Dan pmed the majority of active users on the forum the back and forth exchange between him and mods about the flag, he wasn't going to back down or shut up

[RyRy]

he would have never put it in his signature if all the controversy surrounding it didn't come to light in the past few months. he was asked to remove it and comply and he kicked up a fuss... this has been going on for weeks i believe

hate to pull this line again but it's a habbo forum, we're not even allowed to curse so get over yourself if the flag is apparently offensive to other people they're making the right decision to remove it and he needs to get over that. undertaker there's a reason your date kicked you out the other night and when this hostility happens with more than one person maybe you shouldn't be so quick to put the blame on others way of thinking or logic and start thinking that you as a person need to just shut up sometimes. every day id like to tell customers where the **** to go but bite my tongue, YOU CAN TOO

good luck in the future shame it happened but all you had to do was argue your point about the flag, and if they still insisted on you keeping it out of your signature RESPECT THAT DECISION FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF THE INDIVIDUALs who got offended

god

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Dan pmed the majority of active users on the forum the back and forth exchange between him and mods about the flag, he wasn't going to back down or shut up

LOL FFS i had no idea, thats just petty and ridiculous. its a habbo forum, trying to organize a change.org petition isn't the way forward. i would say its a non-issue though, and i'd be intrigued on just how many users constitutes as "multiple users" complaining.

[Martin]

I'm confused! Is the flag in question the one that's plastered all over the beginning of this thread? If so, then if the moderation department have banned it from existence on the forum why hasn't it been removed from this thread? Surely that's just the same as having it in your signature?

If it's not the same flag then I apologise, but if it is then bloody hell what's going on!


I can't really comment on whether it's bad or not since I'm not really clued up with my flag knowledge, but it is kinda pretty!



Thank you for all of your work Dan! I hope you will continue to stick around the forum!

[Alysha]

What is his reason for even adding the flag in the first place? Has that been explained somewhere?

Dan's Debate Leader style was rather brash, he didn't moderate anything, he just continued to provoke until he got a reaction. When that didn't pay off, he would turn to insulting people and claiming that the whole world was against him. So I'd probably understand if he was fired based on more than just a flag, but I don't know anything and I'm just a SJW for posting this obvzzzz -.-

Anyway, thank you for your time, Dan. You're a genius at riling people up and that was good for the forum.

[MKR&*42]

What is his reason for even adding the flag in the first place? Has that been explained somewhere?.

I believe he put it in his sig right after it was announced gay marriage would be legal across all of the USA, but I could be wrong.

[e5]

just missed out on all the drama!!

[Kardan]

I'm confused! Is the flag in question the one that's plastered all over the beginning of this thread? If so, then if the moderation department have banned it from existence on the forum why hasn't it been removed from this thread? Surely that's just the same as having it in your signature?

If it's not the same flag then I apologise, but if it is then bloody hell what's going on!


I can't really comment on whether it's bad or not since I'm not really clued up with my flag knowledge, but it is kinda pretty!



Thank you for all of your work Dan! I hope you will continue to stick around the forum!

It is the same flag, basically, double standards - especially since mods, GMs etc. have viewed this thread and not edited their posts.

Let's face it - if it was GoldenMerc rather than Undertaker in this situation, would this be happening now? No. I personally think that the mods are either taking such serious action because it's Undertaker and know what he's like in regards to stuff like this, or that perhaps forum members only complained because it was Undertaker using such images.

So are the forum rules going to be updated to say 'No offensive flags to be shown on the forum?; - so surely all Nazi and ISIS flags would also fall under that?

And as I said in a previous thread - if I post my holiday pictures of me and Charlotte in front of the Mississippi state capitol building, will I get an infraction?

Personally I think the rule is pathetic.

Time to annoy the SMods and start reporting a load of posts with 'offensive' flags I guess.

Edit: Ok, they've started removing pictures of the flag but apparently you don't get a mod warning (but you do get fired!)

[Sian]

So you've fired him from a non-power role, over having a legit American flag on his signature, which you have now banned. How can you ban a legitimate American flag over one guys opinion, thus now discriminating against Americans... -Claps-

[James]

Why is everyone blaming mods? Im sure they dont eve have a say as to whether he got fired or not?? Unless thats just an expression.
(wasnt a dig at you Kardan, just generalising)

Thanks for your time dan.

[Kardan]

So guys, as you all know I went to Mississippi two years ago:

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1157627_10153153458400441_186534103_n.jpg?oh=004a9 91e7931af6827b4818f435f0abe&oe=561BB16B
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/v/t1.0-9/998762_10153153459800441_1881623793_n.jpg?oh=75487 bd4038f9821450d47108651c753&oe=5655D0E4

That's the best picture we got of the flag :(

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Why is everyone blaming mods? Im sure they dont eve have a say as to whether he got fired or not?? Unless thats just an expression.
(wasnt a dig at you Kardan, just generalising)

Thanks for your time dan.

Because they were only targetting Undertaker - mdport. has only just gone through and removed images posted by other users just now despite viewing the thread several hours ago, and modwarning Undertaker several hours ago in this very thread.

[xxMATTGxx]

Let's just ignore the flag for a minute here. At the end of the day if you break a forum rule and something gets removed from your signature but you are going to act like a child even though you are an adult and you keep adding it back. Then of course you will get fired from your job role or get banned with the amount of infraction points that will get added to your account. I laugh at how some of you think he mainly got fired for putting the flag in his signatire - No.

This is has been going on for weeks and like FlyingJesus and wixard point out he probably only done this to get this kind of reaction. It's a Habbo forum for goodness sake - All he had to do was simply keep the content out of his signature and avatar. But no, he thinks he's better than that and will do what he wants to force his views across the forum.

It's only ever been in there since the whole situation with the flag started appearing in the news. At the end of the day people, it's an internet forum for a virtual world with rules you all have to agree to.

Some of you are like 20+ and all throwing the toys out of a pram on a Habbo forum because of what a forum member has done. Seriously...

Anyway, It's happened and will probably not get reverted anyway so I guess you will just have to get used to the fact Dan is no longer Debates Manger.

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he would have never put it in his signature if all the controversy surrounding it didn't come to light in the past few months. he was asked to remove it and comply and he kicked up a fuss... this has been going on for weeks i believe

hate to pull this line again but it's a habbo forum, we're not even allowed to curse so get over yourself if the flag is apparently offensive to other people they're making the right decision to remove it and he needs to get over that. undertaker there's a reason your date kicked you out the other night and when this hostility happens with more than one person maybe you shouldn't be so quick to put the blame on others way of thinking or logic and start thinking that you as a person need to just shut up sometimes. every day id like to tell customers where the **** to go but bite my tongue, YOU CAN TOO

good luck in the future shame it happened but all you had to do was argue your point about the flag, and if they still insisted on you keeping it out of your signature RESPECT THAT DECISION FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF THE INDIVIDUALs who got offended

god

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Dan pmed the majority of active users on the forum the back and forth exchange between him and mods about the flag, he wasn't going to back down or shut up

+1


Which debates forum are you looking at Ryan because the one on this board is run almost totally by the members and had a supposed "manager" who gave out about 4 awards in 2 years (with no explanation of what they were about) and was purposefully rude and abusive to members of the community while hiding behind a façade of pompous trollishness - and then claimed that his job was to bully and provoke people rather than to, say, set legitimate debates and oversee their evolution.

No idea who's been complaining about flags and all that but are we really going to pretend that Dan's anything other than a disillusioned child with more rhetoric than education and who thrives on pissing people off so that he can feel ultra special and self righteous to such a degree that he's apparently willing to become an American just to annoy everyone

I have no love for Chris as anyone can probably tell you but Dan being fired was well overdue

Pretty much

[Matt]

Why is everyone blaming mods? Im sure they dont eve have a say as to whether he got fired or not??

Tell me about it.



Because they were only targetting Undertaker - mdport. has only just gone through and removed images posted by other users just now despite viewing the thread several hours ago, and modwarning Undertaker several hours ago in this very thread.

The thread was made whilst I was still asleep and believe it or not, I'm not the only one with administrative permissions to edit people's posts. The modwarned post was for a different rule break altogether and as no Forum Administrators or General Management had been online since I'd woken up (and the banning of the flag happened overnight for me), I wanted to clarify that the flag was totally banned across the forum before I did anything.

[Kardan]

Tell me about it.



The thread was made whilst I was still asleep and believe it or not, I'm not the only one with administrative permissions to edit people's posts. The modwarned post was for a different rule break altogether and as no Forum Administrators or General Management had been online since I'd woken up (and the banning of the flag happened overnight for me), I wanted to clarify that the flag was totally banned across the forum before I did anything.

I think it was pretty clear from this thread that the flag was banned - nevertheless (A)GMs still breezed past the rule breaking posts, and they definitely knew it was against the rules.

[Alysha]

So his reasoning for using the flag was in direct opposition to gay marriage? Or is his reason a really obscure one which leads right back to that same answer?

[Matt]

I think it was pretty clear from this thread that the flag was banned - nevertheless (A)GMs still breezed past the rule breaking posts, and they definitely knew it was against the rules.

It's a thankyou thread supposedly thanking Dan for his time, not a feedback thread asking why it was banned. I'd not actually been told (nor anything posted in the staff forums) that the flag was banned entirely and that it were to be removed if anyone posted it. I was also not included in the Private Message sent to a large amount of people that showcased the details of his dismissal (and therefore was unsure as to why a large number of people decided to include it in their posts).

[Kardan]

Well, Wispur posted this about 3 hours before Undertaker got moderated for displaying private information.


Your ideas of absurd are very different to ours (General Managements). We made the decision to ban the flag, if you don't like it then thats tough I'm afraid. Those people wont get infracted, the posts will probably just be removed.

So I would've thought it was clear that the flag was to be removed from posts - so you can see why it looks like only Undertaker was singled out when nobody else had their images removed for hours after.

[Evanora]

hang your head in shame habbox!

[GommeInc]

Let's just ignore the flag for a minute here. At the end of the day if you break a forum rule and something gets removed from your signature but you are going to act like a child even though you are an adult and you keep adding it back. Then of course you will get fired from your job role or get banned with the amount of infraction points that will get added to your account. I laugh at how some of you think he mainly got fired for putting the flag in his signatire - No.

This is has been going on for weeks and like FlyingJesus and wixard point out he probably only done this to get this kind of reaction. It's a Habbo forum for goodness sake - All he had to do was simply keep the content out of his signature and avatar. But no, he thinks he's better than that and will do what he wants to force his views across the forum.

It's only ever been in there since the whole situation with the flag started appearing in the news. At the end of the day people, it's an internet forum for a virtual world with rules you all have to agree to.

Some of you are like 20+ and all throwing the toys out of a pram on a Habbo forum because of what a forum member has done. Seriously...

Anyway, It's happened and will probably not get reverted anyway so I guess you will just have to get used to the fact Dan is no longer Debates Manger.
"Let's just ignore the flag for a minute here".

Goes on to talk about the flag.

Not the best explanation :P

You have to admit, Wispur is a pretty lousy GM if he bans a flag and doesn't realise it is an impossible rule to support. Flags are symbols, symbols have different meanings and many states have different iterations of the flag. That flag shares a positive history as well as a negative one. Completely different to the Nazi Swastika (the real Swastika is a symbol of peace), which if banned is rightfully so although again impossible to ban - what happens if a thread comes up discussing it? Will you get Wispur MAD / Sammeth. to close a perfectly fine debate because his ego is leaking?

Not forgetting there was no discussion in the matter about banning the flag. It seemed like a back handed deal, with no community input. He just made a rule and went with it. Something Habbox hasn't seen since MAD and Sammeth (which is what Wispur is more or less like - weak, immature and feckless, and only listens to a few members behind the scenes).

Also, there is some weird idea that Dan didn't do anything for that forum. Remember back to before Dan became leader and you may actually recall that the forum was so superficial and boring in the way it handled debates. Not forgetting we actually get debates posted officially. Before Dan the forum was a neglected child. You had a dodgy time limit which didn't take into account the debate evolving, and previous leaders restricted what you could talk about. There also seems to be some confusion. Debates =/= Current Affairs. He rarely butted into the Official Debates and became rude. In fact, I do not recall an instance this has ever happened.

[sex]

good bye

[-:Undertaker:-]

hahaha this is getting even more pathetic now.

I didn't even put the Confederate flag (which they said was banned) in my profile I actually had the following OFFICIAL US STATE FLAGS in my profile and they've removed them and sent me a warning this morning. Do Habbox even know what they've banned and why are actual official state US flags being removed?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Flag_of_Arkansas.svg/125px-Flag_of_Arkansas.svg.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Flag_of_Mississippi.svg/125px-Flag_of_Mississippi.svg.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Flag_of_Tennessee.svg/125px-Flag_of_Tennessee.svg.png

the rules seem to be changing hourly into "we look pretty stupid so lets show them who is boss"

[Chris]

This is getting ridiculous. Dan is being made out to be some sort of victim in this, when he is the one who has caused the issue in the first place. The flag was removed from his profile weeks ago and he was warned by the forum department not to keep adding it back. It was then removed a further three times before we thought that enough was enough, which is what led to the dismissal.

For those saying that I'm rubbish, unfair or whatever other insult you want to try and throw my way - I don't care. The decision was a joint decision between general management and we discussed it before taking any action. If you seriously think that I've been making all these decisions on for the past year then you are mistaken.

[-:Undertaker:-]

no chris, you and your moderators made it into an issue by acting on supposed "offence" which was probably people just wanting to get at me when you should have investigated whether the flag actually merited accusations against it, which as Ms.Aquamarine; pointed out simply doesn't. I may find the EU flag/LGBT rainbow/whatever offensive yet i don't cry like a baby to moderators because someone has something in their profile i don't like. i'd - rightly - be laughed at.

In addition you now don't even know your own rules as you're removing official US state flags from my profile and giving me warnings. it's very silly which is why the rule should be overturned, just admit the issue wasn't investigated properly and there's no harm done. i won't even feel the need to put the flag up again.

[Chris]

no chris, you and your moderators made it into an issue by acting on supposed "offence" which was probably people just wanting to get at me when you should have investigated whether the flag actually merited accusations against it, which as Ms.Aquamarine pointed out simply doesn't. I may find the EU flag/LGBT rainbow/whatever offensive yet i don't cry like a baby to moderators because someone has something in their profile i don't like. i'd - rightly - be laughed at.

In addition you now don't even know your own rules as you're removing official US state flags from my profile and giving me warnings. it's very silly which is why the rule should be overturned, just admit the issue wasn't investigated properly and there's no harm done. i won't even feel the need to put the flag up again.

The complaints came from users that have most likely never even spoke to you, so they would have no reason to try and get you in trouble. Either way, we know enough about the flag and the attention is has got in the news recently to make the decision that it isn't allowed. You chose to ignore this rule, which is what caused the issue.

I know the rule on the flag and the removal of the other flags has been nothing to do with me. I have let the moderators know which flags need to be removed now.

[wixard]

didnt you say you would leave if it got removed again?

such a shame cya!

[-:Undertaker:-]

you've now let them know, oh right.

good to see you've thought all this properly through. :rolleyes:

[Chris]

you've now let them know, oh right.

good to see you've thought all this properly through. :rolleyes:

Lmao there was no reason for normal moderators to know before today because nobody was plastering it across the forum. Get over it Dan, the flag is banned and if you carry on then you soon will be too.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Lmao there was no reason for normal moderators to know before today because nobody was plastering it across the forum. Get over it Dan, the flag is banned and if you carry on then you soon will be too.

that's what ---MAD--- used to say too when everyone was pointing out what was wrong to him.

but he knew better than the forum.

[Chris]

that's what ---MAD--- used to say too when everyone was pointing out what was wrong to him.

but he knew better than the forum.

Except the difference is I'm not making these decisions on my own. If I wanted to ban you for pissing me off then I would have done it by now. The only reason you'll get banned is for breaking the rules, and thats the only reason anyone will get banned on the forum so don't try and make out that you're being unfairly threatened.

[xxMATTGxx]

Brb dropping you out of the database so no one thinks you ever existed.

RIP -:Undertaker:- 2006 to 2015

[-:Undertaker:-]

Except the difference is I'm not making these decisions on my own. If I wanted to ban you for pissing me off then I would have done it by now. The only reason you'll get banned is for breaking the rules, and thats the only reason anyone will get banned on the forum so don't try and make out that you're being unfairly threatened.

or just make the rules up as you go along which is what you've just done and which is what MAD did when he brought in his 'negativity' rule. two peas in a pod.

[Chris]

or just make the rules up as you go along which is what you've just done and which is what MAD did when he brought in his 'negativity' rule. two peas in a pod.

Okay Dan, whatever you say. You can't seem to grasp that all decisions are discussed as a team so I won't bother trying to explain it again.

[wixard]

Who else is eating their breakfast and reading this thread

[Evanora]

Who else is eating their breakfast and reading this thread

yes belvita breakfast biscuits

[Samantha]

Who else is eating their breakfast and reading this thread
I'm on my dinner break at work, I was looking forward to reading this thread!

Thanks for your time.

Sent from my C5303 using Tapatalk

[xxMATTGxx]

Who else is eating their breakfast and reading this thread

Had a bowl of coco pops, might go for seconds.

[scottish]

The complaints came from users that have most likely never even spoke to you, so they would have no reason to try and get you in trouble. Either way, we know enough about the flag and the attention is has got in the news recently to make the decision that it isn't allowed. You chose to ignore this rule, which is what caused the issue.

I know the rule on the flag and the removal of the other flags has been nothing to do with me. I have let the moderators know which flags need to be removed now.

Which flags are all banned and can you justify the banning of each one

for curiosity sake.

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Brb dropping you out of the database so no one thinks you ever existed.

RIP -:Undertaker:- 2006 to 2015

200c if you do it to a target of my choice

[Hannah]

Who else is eating their breakfast and reading this thread

I might have to go make myself some toast in a minute, heh.

OT: I'm not totally clued up on the situation, but flag out of this - I'd have thought that continuously breaking rules that have been made clear to you = ban. Not victimizing.

As petty as this all seems to be, and how far it has escalated - if you break the rules, you're gonna get banned. Purposely re-breaking the same rules and then claiming you're being targeted is silly. :rolleyes:

You're going round in circles here, you don't need to keep repeating that Wispur is showing similarities to MAD, and though apparently it may be the case - the rules and the fact they are broken should not have to be reiterated either.

Good luck with your future endeavors Undertaker - hopefully you can come back every once in a while if you don't manage to get yourself banned. :Wink:

Apologies if I'm wrong.

[scottish]

Who else is eating their breakfast and reading this thread

its midday you should be eating your lunch/dinner

[lemons]

im having an apple personally :)

[wixard]

its midday you should be eating your lunch/dinner

it's sunday and im up at 7am monday-saturday excuse me if i want a lie in! who the hell eats dinner at 12

[-:Undertaker:-]

why has the TEXAS state flag been removed from my profile and me infracted for it?

hiliarious. slap stick moderation skills from @mdport;

[scottish]

dinner time is like 12-1pm

im just up too but will skip breakfast because its too late!! get some soup with a roll after we go asda

[-:Undertaker:-]

i think i'm gonna have to go through US state flags one by one as a tester to see which ones we're allowed.

[buttons]

scott u literally got up 40 mins ago shut up!

[xxMATTGxx]

dinner time is like 12-1pm

im just up too but will skip breakfast because its too late!! get some soup with a roll after we go asda

You can have breakfast any time you want. Does no one else eat cereal or related items at random times of the day?

[lRhyss]

why has the TEXAS state flag been removed from my profile and me infracted for it?

hiliarious. slap stick moderation skills from @mdport;

*REMOVED*

You were asked to remove the flag, which you didn't. Then because you refused a moderators request, you were infracted and they were removed. You then Re-added the flag, getting infracted again.

At the end of the daym you wernt being infracted the the flag, you were being infracted for being you, a complete...

*REMOVED*

So just go and take your political views with you. This is a Habbo forum, not Number 10

Edited by mdport. (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not be rude to other members.

[scottish]

You can have breakfast any time you want. Does no one else eat cereal or related items at random times of the day?

no thats breakfast material

it's fine we have supper tonight which makes up for the lack of breakfast, not that I ever eat breakfast anyway

[Absently]

You can have breakfast any time you want. Does no one else eat cereal or related items at random times of the day?

yeah i love a nice bowl of cereal at night time, especially when i buy the actual brand ones from asda :)

[xxMATTGxx]

no thats breakfast material

it's fine we have supper tonight which makes up for the lack of breakfast, not that I ever eat breakfast anyway

You're missing out man.

[wixard]

No. **** off.

You were asked to remove the flag, which you didn't. Then because you refused a moderators request, you were infracted and they were removed. You then Re-added the flag, getting infracted again.

At the end of the daym you wernt being infracted the the flag, you were being infracted for being you, a complete...

So just go and take you're ****** up political views with you. This is a Habbo forum, not Number 10


https://38.media.tumblr.com/144e69f0deb89da67b069e88d6c5bf0c/tumblr_n2y0pjYrKM1sodo64o1_400.gif

[buttons]

No. **** off.

You were asked to remove the flag, which you didn't. Then because you refused a moderators request, you were infracted and they were removed. You then Re-added the flag, getting infracted again.

At the end of the daym you wernt being infracted the the flag, you were being infracted for being you, a complete...

So just go and take you're ****** up political views with you. This is a Habbo forum, not Number 10
why are u always so angry? plus what's wrong with the texas flag?

[lRhyss]

why are u always so angry? plus what's wrong with the texas flag?
I'm not always angry, stupid things like this anger me.

I don't see what is wrong with the flag, nor will I ever and frankly, I don't care if it was related with slavery or whatever, I can't be bothered to read up on it, because it's a damn flag.

It's the fact that he was a child about the whole ordeal which angers me.

[lemons]

this is my official video of the week


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKKrDG200kk

[wixard]

this is my official video of the week


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKKrDG200kk


shake them tatas my son!

[xxMATTGxx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjD_jhLGqyE

[Brad]

Gosh, I missed this...

:( Dan! I'll miss your debates... Though I didn't participate, I still enjoyed reading what y'all had to say.

[Hannah]

http://oi59.tinypic.com/2vkzs01.jpg

[Absently]

this is my official video of the week


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKKrDG200kk

that was fantastic

[David]

pick up ur toys on the way out pal

[Lewis]

Thanks for your time undertaker!

What the hell do you all mean by banned flags, I''m so confused (read up to page 2)

[FlyingJesus]

Before Dan the forum was a neglected child.

And now it's a battered and abused one with no purpose. Not sure what it is that you think he's done other than open a few threads with misleading titles and then do absolutely nothing about whatever small debate might ensue


It's the fact that he was a child about the whole ordeal which angers me.

This is the entire issue, yes. He's trying to pretend it's still about the flag because he's an idiot and has less of a leg to stand on than Heather Mills but the reality of it is that it's his childlike tantrum over being asked to remove something from his signature that isn't even related to him in any way that's caused problems.

I've had to delete this image before:
http://i.imgur.com/Bitbi7w.gif
and yeah it's a little annoying but I somehow managed to just get on with it instead of pettily spreading around PMs and acting like there was some great injustice happening

[Stephen]

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/082011/1312286075_sisyphus_floor_moping.gif

[Nick]

**** mdport ur an ass of a mod

[Matt]

ikr, all my fault

[Empired]

Who else is eating their breakfast and reading this thread
I saw this thread when I woke up this morning but I had to go into town so I knew I'd save it for later. Was in Boots and they sell a load of sweets near the checkouts so I bought some skittles specifically so I could come home and read this thread whilst eating skittles

it's heaven i'm telling you

i'll reply again when i've finished reading the whole thing

[thms]

I saw this thread when I woke up this morning but I had to go into town so I knew I'd save it for later. Was in Boots and they sell a load of sweets near the checkouts so I bought some skittles specifically so I could come home and read this thread whilst eating skittles

it's heaven i'm telling you

i'll reply again when i've finished reading the whole thing

u inspire me.

[Kardan]

lRhyss; - Jesus, what is up with your post.

Also once again great moderating skills on this forum to see that we can now directly call people the C word and it doesn't get moderated.

Also if the flag has been banned surely only that and the Mississippi state flag should be banned. If the Texan flag has been removed then that's just stupid.

http://img14.deviantart.net/c3d3/i/2005/006/4/b/texas_flag__large_by_dallasx.jpg

[Empired]

u inspire me.
thank you do you want one

Alright I've finished and this entire ordeal seems to have become an absolute train wreck. In short: everyone involved here has been an idiot.

Dan: you need to stop acting like the victim here, you've majorly overreacted and are acting like a child who's been told it can't get an ice cream, you went about appealing the decision to ban/remove that flag in entirely the wrong way, hid the truth about what you really did (sending outraged PMs to users only telling them what makes you look victimised? Really?! Were you hoping for some sort of Habbox revolution?! Let's all rise up again Wispur; how dare he enforce the rules!) and now you seem to be pretending that this whole thing is about this bloody flag when it's NOT. And you're smart enough to know that.

As others have stated before (which you seem to have completely ignored, interesting...) you were fired because YOU BROKE THE RULES. I'm not talking about the initial "rule" about this flag being banned as that's a grey area, I'm talking about your avatar + sig being removed and you repeatedly going against moderation and putting it back. Are you honestly so arrogant that you think you're above having to go through the complaints process like everyone else? And more importantly, what on earth did you think you were going to achieve by going against mods and putting the flags back each time? Are you so deranged as to think the mods would just go "damn! Undertaker's too strong for us! May as well give up now, lads". If I was asked to remove my avatar and signature because it was too big, refused, and kept adding it back after the mods removed it for me, I would expect to eventually be banned.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I agree with the decision to ban the flag (I'll get onto that in a minute) but I am saying that there is a process to appeal the decision made to remove the flag from the forum and you purposely decided not to use it. That in itself should result in being fired from a managerial position imo. If a manager thinks themselves above the rules, why in hell should non-staff bother to follow them? But you should have removed the flag from your signature and avatar, then PMed whoever explaining WHY the flag is not offensive and why you should be allowed to keep it, and then wait to see what's said. Pissing off General Management and mods is pretty much a sure-fire way to never getting what you want.

Ok. Time for my thoughts on the banning of the flag. Basically it seems like a thoughtless decision made in a panic because mods/general management (don't know) didn't know what to do and thought that "quick fix" would be the best way to shut undertaker up (lol). I believe what should have happened is you ask Dan to remove it and state explicitly why, and give him a chance to remove it AND THEN explain why he thinks he should be allowed to keep it. If it was a good enough argument, then everything should have been fine. If you decide it should still be removed, then you should say that.
END OF. No need to ban flags, no need to have sig/avatar wars, no need for a ridiculously childish feedback thread.

Also, I wonder how many people are against undertaker or wispur just because of personal reasons...

TL;DR undertaker has behaved childishly, banning the flag was stupid and unnecessary, everything is FALLING APART

and i've just finished eating this bag of skittles and feel really sick now :'(

[Kardan]

thank you do you want one

Alright I've finished and this entire ordeal seems to have become an absolute train wreck. In short: everyone involved here has been an idiot.

Dan: you need to stop acting like the victim here, you've majorly overreacted and are acting like a child who's been told it can't get an ice cream, you went about appealing the decision to ban/remove that flag in entirely the wrong way, hid the truth about what you really did (sending outraged PMs to users only telling them what makes you look victimised? Really?! Were you hoping for some sort of Habbox revolution?! Let's all rise up again Wispur; how dare he enforce the rules!) and now you seem to be pretending that this whole thing is about this bloody flag when it's NOT. And you're smart enough to know that.

As others have stated before (which you seem to have completely ignored, interesting...) you were fired because YOU BROKE THE RULES. I'm not talking about the initial "rule" about this flag being banned as that's a grey area, I'm talking about your avatar + sig being removed and you repeatedly going against moderation and putting it back. Are you honestly so arrogant that you think you're above having to go through the complaints process like everyone else? And more importantly, what on earth did you think you were going to achieve by going against mods and putting the flags back each time? Are you so deranged as to think the mods would just go "damn! Undertaker's too strong for us! May as well give up now, lads". If I was asked to remove my avatar and signature because it was too big, refused, and kept adding it back after the mods removed it for me, I would expect to eventually be banned.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I agree with the decision to ban the flag (I'll get onto that in a minute) but I am saying that there is a process to appeal the decision made to remove the flag from the forum and you purposely decided not to use it. That in itself should result in being fired from a managerial position imo. If a manager thinks themselves above the rules, why in hell should non-staff bother to follow them? But you should have removed the flag from your signature and avatar, then PMed whoever explaining WHY the flag is not offensive and why you should be allowed to keep it, and then wait to see what's said. Pissing off General Management and mods is pretty much a sure-fire way to never getting what you want.

Ok. Time for my thoughts on the banning of the flag. Basically it seems like a thoughtless decision made in a panic because mods/general management (don't know) didn't know what to do and thought that "quick fix" would be the best way to shut undertaker up (lol). I believe what should have happened is you ask Dan to remove it and state explicitly why, and give him a chance to remove it AND THEN explain why he thinks he should be allowed to keep it. If it was a good enough argument, then everything should have been fine. If you decide it should still be removed, then you should say that.
END OF. No need to ban flags, no need to have sig/avatar wars, no need for a ridiculously childish feedback thread.

Also, I wonder how many people are against undertaker or wispur just because of personal reasons...

TL;DR undertaker has behaved childishly, banning the flag was stupid and unnecessary, everything is FALLING APART

and i've just finished eating this bag of skittles and feel really sick now :'(

Where's the childish feedback thread? :O ;)

[Empired]

Where's the childish feedback thread? :O ;)
This is basically feedback but in a different forum!!!!

if you sent anyone a screenshot but scribbled over it saying congrats and thank-yous, everyone would say this was feedback ;)

[buttons]

THE MOLE

[Kardan]

I'm afraid this is all just promotion for my State Flag round in the Mole 4.

[Danny]

Should we ban the Union Flag because the BNP use it? I am sure someone out there will find it offensive. How about St Georges? EDL use that, it could also be deemed as offensive.

[Sharon]

this thread is brilliant at singling out and highlighting the morons of the forum

that and @lRhyss (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=74041); anger issues, again

[lemons]

Should we ban the Union Flag because the BNP use it? I am sure someone out there will find it offensive. How about St Georges? EDL use that, it could also be deemed as offensive.

yes very good point you make here

[thms]

this thread is brilliant at singling out and highlighting the morons of the forum

now you have posted here i would say the same :D

- - - Updated - - -

also read agony aunt right Empired; lets shamelessly plug our new addition to ur wonderful articles department

[Danny]

Would I be given an infraction for posting General Lee from the Dukes of Hazzard? Ofcourse without the flag in view, but General Lee was named after the Confederate leader. Would cause offence, I am sure.

[buttons]

i want rep who should i insult

[The Don]

Should we ban the Union Flag because the BNP use it? I am sure someone out there will find it offensive. How about St Georges? EDL use that, it could also be deemed as offensive.

Habboxforum isn't and has never been a bastion of free speech. There was a guy that went full nazi a few years ago and kept getting his signatures/avatar removed despite the fact that they clearly have historically non-racist origins:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsadler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=679329

[Empired]

i want rep who should i insult
insulting wispur seems to be the slightly more popular choice

i would recommend going for two birds with one stone and getting wispur and flyingjesus (because that always gets rep) in the same post

[GommeInc]

So is this decision going to be reversed? Seems like forum management over-reacted and banned every state flag with the colours red, white and blue. You have to be pretty stupid to think those State Flags are the Confederate Flag.

Had the management not over-acted, Dan would not have reacted in the way that he did. Simple. Forum Management and Moderators (or rather, the General Manager and a Super Moderator) are no smarter than the members just because they are moderators. I think if you were told by someone with no knowledge of flags, political history etc to remove something inoffensive because they think they are better than you, you would be pretty pissed too.


This is getting ridiculous. Dan is being made out to be some sort of victim in this, when he is the one who has caused the issue in the first place. The flag was removed from his profile weeks ago and he was warned by the forum department not to keep adding it back. It was then removed a further three times before we thought that enough was enough, which is what led to the dismissal.

For those saying that I'm rubbish, unfair or whatever other insult you want to try and throw my way - I don't care. The decision was a joint decision between general management and we discussed it before taking any action. If you seriously think that I've been making all these decisions on for the past year then you are mistaken.
Of course he is the victim. You banned a flag not knowing what it was because some idiots, who also didn't know what the flag was but felt compelled to be offended, told you to remove it. Had you not banned a flag and removed his signature, none of this would have happened. You really do not understand cause an effect. You banning the flag and removing his signature caused Undertaker to react. You banned it, not Undertaker. Had it not been banned, you and your team would not look hopeless and this thread would not have existed, Dan would still be Debates Leader and we would all be wiser than we are now. Why was this not even discussed with members?

I thought Habbox got over hiring dud GMs making back room decisions.

Honestly, I can't believe there are members in positions who do not know what flag is which and make brash decisions. Do you just sit around clapping hands, defecating everywhere while singing Kumbaya and gawking at each other? You'll get more sense from a children's play group.

[Danny]

Some unnamed genius at the company feels that the flag is "offensive to some" and therefore it has no business on a classic t.v. comedy about a bunch of good ol' boys and girls in the Southern mountains. This is a new level of "P.C." idiocy. I don't know about you, but I am tired of being insulted by morons.

Quoted by actor Ben Jones of Dukes of Hazzard.

[Empired]

I half agree with GommeInc;

The decision to ban the flag (as in, put it in forum rules or whatever) should be taken back as most people seem to agree it's stupid. But I don't think Dan should get his role back. Regardless of whether he was in the right from the beginning or not, he chose to have a tantrum that wasn't necessary and that's not something I want to be seeing managers (who should be setting an example) doing and then being almost rewarded for it by getting a role back!

[Danny]

Fine, fire him what ever, but don't threaten to ban him. Absolutely no need other than trying to throw their weight around. I have a fairly clean record on the forum, but I am half tempted to post flags in my signature to see which ones will get me infracted and which ones won't

[Chris]

I feel like we're going round in circles here. You can blame me as much as you like, but I've explained countless times that I did not make the decision alone. The decision isn't going to be reversed so you may as well just get over it and move on.

Thread closed.

[scottish]

insulting wispur seems to be the slightly more popular choice

i would recommend going for two birds with one stone and getting wispur and flyingjesus (because that always gets rep) in the same post

flyingjesus is the best choice