Labour Leadership Result (12th September 2015)

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3230499/I-voted-Britain-LEAVE-Europe-Corbyn-admits.html

Labour Leadership Results: Today we find out the new Labour leader, as left-wing frontrunner Jeremy Corbyn signals backing British exit from the EU



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From left to right: Jeremy Corbyn MP, Liz Kendell MP, Andy Burnham MP, Yvette Cooper MP



Jeremy Corbyn has finally admitted he voted for Britain to leave Europe in the only referendum to date on severing ties with Brussels. With the hardline socialist widely-expected to be named Labour (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/labour/index.html)leader tomorrow, the revelation that he opposed UK membership of the European Community in 1975 has triggered panic among pro-EU politicians in the party. Mr Corbyn has previously warned that support for the EU will collapse if it becomes a 'totally brutal organisation'. Under Ed Miliband, Labour's backing for membership of the EU was widely seen as its only major policy which appealed to corporate big business.


David Cameron has promised to renegotiate Britain's members of the EU before staging an in-out referendum by the end of 2017. The other Labour leadership contenders - Andy Burnham, Liz Kendall and Yvette Cooper - have all argued that Brussels needs reform but would always vote to stay in. Mr Corbyn has repeatedly dodged questions on the issue suggesting he could back EU withdrawal, raising the spectre of a return to Labour's Euroscepticism of the 1980s.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRltLmfnGVI



In the 1975 referendum the Labour party was split, with Prime Minister Harold Wilson forced to allow his own ministers to campaign against his plea to stay in the European Community. Voters were asked: 'Do you think the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (Common Market)?' In the final result, 67 per cent of people voted to remain after a controversial campaign. Asked at a campaign rally in North London how he voted in the 1975 referendum, Mr Corbyn told Reuters: 'I did vote and I voted "No".'


Ukip leader Nigel Farage has made numerous appeals to Mr Corbyn to join the out campaign in the coming referendum. Pressed on the issue during the leadership campaign, Mr Corbyn refused to say how he would vote, claiming he did not know when the referendum would be or what question will be asked.


During a debate on LBC radio, He said: 'If Europe becomes a totally brutal organisation that treats every one of its member states in the way that the people of Greece have been treated at the moment, then I think Europe will lose a lot of support from a lot of people.' He heaped praise on Labour's 1983 manifesto - on which he was first elected as an MP - but sought to claim it only promised a referendum on Europe. In fact it claimed that 'British withdrawal from the Community is the right policy for Britain'.




I disagree with Corbyn on 99.9% of issues. I do not believe we should back the terrorist IRA. I do not believe we should back the terrorists in Hamas over Israel. I do not believe we should abolish the monarchy. I do not believe in complete and total open borders. I do not believe we should increase taxes on the most wealthy and successul in our society. I do not believe we should renationalise energy, the railways and so on. He's on the record as being 100% the opposite to me on these issues.

But you know what? Jeremy Corbyn at least, like Enoch Powell/Tony Benn/Michael Foot/Alex Salmond and Nigel Farage, does say what he believes in. If you listen to Cooper and Burnham they are utterly pathetic when you hear them. Absolutely meaningless drivel from a bunch of Blairite clones. I am no left-winger, but I can at least respect someone who will answer a question even if I do not like the answer rather than answer a question that was never asked in the first place. The reason why Corbyn is capturing support, like Nigel Farage, Donald Trump and so on is that he actually speaks from the heart whether you agree with him or not: and that's bloody refreshing.

The fact he's considering making Labour be pro-British independence actually makes me - dare I say it - consider voting Labour. Seriously.

Thoughts?

[MKR&*42]

For anyone who wants to see it live: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11860235/Watch-live-Labour-party-announces-new-leader.html

I believe deputy leadership is 11am and leadership is 11;30am

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Sources apparently stating Corbyn has won with around 60% of the vote. That's more than Bliar won when he became leader.

This is hiliarious. How long until half the party start dusting off their old SDP badges and placards? :P

[MKR&*42]

The unnecessary applauding after every sentence is getting quite irritating :P

[AgnesIO]

Unfortunately my internet is far too slow to stream it live, so having to rely on text updates. Missing out on the atmosphere!

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Now managing to view the Telegraph stream for a few seconds at a time... you are right, there is a lot of clapping!

Just want them to announce the main leader..

[lemons]

u can do it liz come on x

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this voting is actually really exciting

[MKR&*42]

Tom Watson wins Deputy Leadership

Deputy Leadership


Round 1
Ben Bradshaw = 39,080 = 9.6%
Stella ... (idk her last name) = 78,100 = 19.1%
Angela = 66,013 = 16.2%
Caroline Flint = 64,425 = 15.8%
Tom Watson = 160,852 = 39.4%


Lowest eliminated = Ben.


Round 2


Stella = 86,555 = 21.4%
Angela = 72,517 = 17.9% of votes, might have got the last three numbers wrong
Caroline = 74, 581 = 18.4%
Tom Watson = 170, 589 = 42.2%


Lowest eliminated = Angela


Round 3


Stella = 103,746 = 26.4%
Caroline = 89,538 = 22.8%
Tom Watson = 198,962 = 50.7%


Tom Watson wins

[Evanora]

this is like x factor results

liz kendell looks evil

[MKR&*42]

I am fairly certain Jeremy has just won, but I can't work out the % myself.
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Yes he has

Andy B = 80,462 = 19%
Yvette C = 71,928 = 17%
Jeremy = 251,417 = 59.5%
Liz = 18,857 = 4.5%

Hot damn

[AgnesIO]

Has Corbyn got 50%? I heard 251,000 then the video cut :S

[Inseriousity.]

59.5%
mental lmao.

[AgnesIO]

Ah, he has. Fantastic result.

Whilst I do not agree with most of his politics, he is the change that Parliament needs. A true left wing party, fighting against a right wing party.

Brilliant news.

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I love this. It's like the ghost of 1980s Labour has risen up but without the passion of Tony Benn and the intelligence of Michael Foot.


Ah, he has. Fantastic result.

Whilst I do not agree with most of his politics, he is the change that Parliament needs. A true left wing party, fighting against a right wing party.

Brilliant news.

pass me that blunt bro.

[AgnesIO]

I love this. It's like the ghost of 1980s Labour has risen up but without the passion of Tony Benn and the intelligence of Michael Foot.



pass me that blunt bro.

Whilst I would prefer a more right wing Tory party, I also don't want the BNP in power. Thx.

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Whilst I would prefer a more right wing Tory party, I also don't want the BNP in power. Thx.

What exactly is remotely right wing about the Tory Party? I ask that genuinely as a firm right-winger.

And the BNP are national socialist by any definition.

I'm pleased grassroots left-wingers now have a voice in parliament, I just wish the right had one too.

[Kardan]

I'm not going to lie, I wasn't really a fan of any of them. But then again I wasn't exactly a fan of Ed Miliband as a person, so we'll see what happens. Certainly going to be interesting though.

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First shadow cabinet resignation...

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RIP New Labour, 1994 - 2015.

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diane abbott rubbing her hands in glee and preparing her seat on the frontbench.

anyone know when we'll find out the new shadow cabinet?

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diane abbott rubbing her hands in glee and preparing her seat on the frontbench.

anyone know when we'll find out the new shadow cabinet?

Isn't Corbyn wanting to bring back elections to the shadow cabinet which I think were dropped a few years back?

And Diane Abbott, jesus christ imagine. Talk about token of the century.

[Thordenhime]

#JEZWECAN

[FlyingJesus]

Good result for the Tories, Corbyn is a reactionary who will get reactionary votes and we've already seen with UKIP's dismal results that that sort of thing simply doesn't cut it

[peteyt]

Good result for the Tories, Corbyn is a reactionary who will get reactionary votes and we've already seen with UKIP's dismal results that that sort of thing simply doesn't cut it
For me I think the reason ukip didn't get as many votes is a lot of people where put of by the many claims it was a racist party. People may have believed in ukips ideas but not liked the image the media painted.

I haven't read into the new Labour leaders background or his ideas but he looks like a far better party leader and importantly image than his predecessor. I find labour lost the election because it turned from a party for the people into the opposite and if the new leader reverts the party I see good things.

[Thordenhime]

The attack on ed milliband by the rupert murdoch controlled media was disgusting.

[abc]

I haven't really followed the race. Read very briefly about what Corbyn stands for. Anyone who suggests a Maximum Wage is an idiot. The other labour leadership candidates would never have won an election. This guy... well seems like an idiot. Some ideas of his I like but a maximum wage... is he serious?

What I hate about politicians is they are selfish little *ahem*. They ask all government employees to make cuts, have pay freeze but yet do not mind when it is recommended to them that their salaries be increased. Then they have the audacity to justify it as "we need to be paid well to be interested in our jobs" ... well if you need money as a motivation to do your job which is to help the country then please resign. You are a public servant and your job is to serve the people. If you are not motivated by improving the country and only by money then LEAVE.

Bit off topic there but I detest most MPs with a passion.

He wants to tax the rich more? Oh because 50% tax isn't enough? Punish the rich for earning more. Punish people for working hard and having a high salary. And give to some idiots who genuinely do not try and find jobs.

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He's [Corbyn] under fire now for not singing the national anthem at a Veterens memorial service in St Paul's Cathedral.

At least the guy is honest that he doesn't like this country, you can't say the same for the rest of the two-faced Labour Party.

[FlyingJesus]

4god British Republicans are such whiny pissbabies can't we put them in the tower

[Thordenhime]

He's [Corbyn] under fire now for not singing the national anthem at a Veterens memorial service in St Paul's Cathedral.

At least the guy is honest that he doesn't like this country, you can't say the same for the rest of the two-faced Labour Party.

Hes done more for this country than you ever have mate at least he goes out there and sticks to his values rather than being some keyboard warrior on a habbo fansite forum.

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Hes done more for this country than you ever have mate at least he goes out there and sticks to his values rather than being some keyboard warrior on a habbo fansite forum.

Ummmmmmm I think you'll find I have been defending Corbyn for his honesty.

It's true he doesn't like this country, but again at least he's honest that he supports the aims of the IRA, doesn't want us to have an armed forces, doesn't want us to have nuclear weapons to defend ourselves, doesn't want controlled borders and would do away with a thousand years of monarchy. He says all that clearly.

[Thordenhime]

First of all not wanting to be ruled over by the higher class and worship them as some sort of gods isnt hating britain wanting to get rid of nuclear weapons which could END THE WORLD and because he supports a peaceful solution doesnt mean he hates Britain.

That is one of the bigger ignorant comments i've seen you make wanting ireland to be united as a whole doesnt meant he hates britain.

Hating britain would be like not paying the right tax and storing your money in foreign bank accounts like rupert murdoch and nigel farage have done in the past.


Oh and by the way open borders is both a right wing and a left wing idea due to the huge economic benefits.


If he hated britain he wouldnt be defending the thousands of people left homeless and the disabled people treated like second class citizens by the tory party.

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I forgot to mention how Mr Corbyn also wants to hand over the Falkland Islands to Argentina.


First of all not wanting to be ruled over by the higher class and worship them as some sort of gods isnt hating britain

Monarchy is an integral part of Britain and the British constitution and has been for a thousand years.


wanting to get rid of nuclear weapons which could END THE WORLD and because he supports a peaceful solution doesnt mean he hates Britain

Well actually, it does. Mr Corbyn and his left-wing supporters will often rail against American influence and power over our foreign affairs, something I don't agree with either, but will then go on to suggest to abolition of our independent nuclear deterrent which would tie us closer to US foreign policy and have us under the US nuclear umbrella. You cannot have your cake and eat it, it is one or the other.

I prefer having an independent nuclear weapons system with an independent foreign policy rather than be closer to the US. Don't you?


That is one of the bigger ignorant comments i've seen you make wanting ireland to be united as a whole doesnt meant he hates britain.

Why would you believe in handing over Northern Ireland and the British people living there to the Irish Republic against their wishes? :S


Hating britain would be like not paying the right tax and storing your money in foreign bank accounts like rupert murdoch and nigel farage have done in the past.

Rupert Murdoch and Nigel Farage have at least had productive jobs and made money for this country.

Mr Corbyn has only ever spent other peoples money, which I suppose is in the true Labour spirit.


Oh and by the way open borders is both a right wing and a left wing idea due to the huge economic benefits.

Tell that to the working classes.

[Thordenhime]

I forgot to mention how Mr Corbyn also wants to hand over the Falkland Islands to Argentina.



Monarchy is an integral part of Britain and the British constitution and has been for a thousand years.



Well actually, it does. Mr Corbyn and his left-wing supporters will often rail against American influence and power over our foreign affairs, something I don't agree with either, but will then go on to suggest to abolition of our independent nuclear deterrent which would tie us closer to US foreign policy and have us under the US nuclear umbrella. You cannot have your cake and eat it, it is one or the other.

I prefer having an independent nuclear weapons system with an independent foreign policy rather than be closer to the US. Don't you?



Why would you believe in handing over Northern Ireland and the British people living there to the Irish Republic against their wishes? :S



Rupert Murdoch and Nigel Farage have at least had productive jobs and made money for this country.

Mr Corbyn has only ever spent other peoples money, which I suppose is in the true Labour spirit.



Tell that to the working classes.

Im from a north west mining town i think i know a little more about the working class than you mate.

Rupert Murdoch is scum And nigel farage is more than happy to spend the money he gets for being an EU MEP jeremy corbyn has the lowest expenses claim of all mp's.

And i dont agree with him on the irish situation but then again him wanting to have a united ireland doesnt make him hate britain thats a ridiculous statement.

Having nuclear weapons all together isnt peace its like holding a gun to each others head.


Corbyn has proposed talking to the Argentinians in a joint ownership of the Falklands to avoid another Falklands war.

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Im from a north west mining town i think i know a little more about the working class than you mate.

And i'm from the strongest Labour seat in the country (Liverpool) with an area that is one of the most deprived in the country.


Rupert Murdoch is scum And nigel farage is more than happy to spend the money he gets for being an EU MEP jeremy corbyn has the lowest expenses claim of all mp's.

Indeed that is true of Mr Corbyn, it is one of the reasons why I have heaped praise upon him.


And i dont agree with him on the irish situation but then again him wanting to have a united ireland doesnt make him hate britain thats a ridiculous statement.

I think if you are willing to hand over a huge portion of British territory with British people living there whilst praising the leaders of the IRA who blew up innocent people then that hardly smacks to me of somebody who loves Britain at all. But again, i'll give him his due: at least he's bluntly honest in what he thinks.


Having nuclear weapons all together isnt peace its like holding a gun to each others head.

In other words, realpolitik and not the dreamworld the likes of Corbyn live in.

But you haven't answered me on the nuclear issue. You either want our own Trident system or you want more US influence over us. Which is it?


Corbyn has proposed talking to the Argentinians in a joint ownership of the Falklands to avoid another Falklands war.

In other words he wants a surrender. Why would and should we yield to a tinpot country like Argentina?

Has he asked the Britons on the Falklands about this proposal?

[Thordenhime]

And i'm from the strongest Labour seat in the country (Liverpool) with an area that is one of the most deprived in the country.



Indeed that is true of Mr Corbyn, it is one of the reasons why I have heaped praise upon him.



I think if you are willing to hand over a huge portion of British territory with British people living there whilst praising the leaders of the IRA who blew up innocent people then that hardly smacks to me of somebody who loves Britain at all. But again, i'll give him his due: at least he's bluntly honest in what he thinks.



In other words, realpolitik and not the dreamworld the likes of Corbyn live in.

But you haven't answered me on the nuclear issue. You either want our own Trident system or you want more US influence over us. Which is it?



In other words he wants a surrender. Why would and should we yield to a tinpot country like Argentina?

Has he asked the Britons on the Falklands about this proposal?

He said that under the joint venture if the Falklands citizens choose to stay British they are under British sovereignty

Oh and by the way if were going to talk about the murdering of innocent civillians you should talk about how many people the british army murdered during that irish protest against the protestants controlling most jobs.

Im unsure about the nuclear weapon situation but in my honest opinion in order to achieve true world peace and for the betterment of mankind all nukes should be dismanteled but that's never going to happen.