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This thread is for users to post any feedback/comments/opinions on the rule changes. The Development Announcement regarding the changes can be found by clicking here (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=829756&p=8415527#post8415527) and all feedback will be taken on-board. If you have any questions or concerns that you do not want to post here, feel free to send me a Private Message and I'll get back to you as soon as I can.
Please keep this thread on-topic and all posts relevant to the rule changes.
-:Undertaker:-
17-09-2015, 04:14 PM
Interesting.
Well I have long praised the relaxation of rules over say the past five years on here and it'll be interesting to see exactly what is being proposed.
dbgtz
17-09-2015, 04:34 PM
Ban the confederate flag.
What sort of changes can we expect?
MKR&*42
17-09-2015, 04:48 PM
Hi when you do this can you please remove the nanny-state like policing of curse words 8-). I'd honestly understand if you wanted to keep C U Next Tuesday filtered & the F words alongside racial slur, but everything else... let's be honest, even 13 year old kids irl know the other curse words by now.
Apart from that I look forward to the changes.
David
17-09-2015, 05:13 PM
Hi when you do this can you please remove the nanny-state like policing of curse words 8-). I'd honestly understand if you wanted to keep C U Next Tuesday filtered & the F words alongside racial slur, but everything else... let's be honest, even 13 year old kids irl know the other curse words by now.
Apart from that I look forward to the changes.
but c*** is such a great word
lawrawrrr
17-09-2015, 05:47 PM
Interesting.
Well I have long praised the relaxation of rules over say the past five years on here and it'll be interesting to see exactly what is being proposed.
I've come to that conclusion too! Not only with how the forum works but staff as well.
I'm hoping to upload the first phase of rule changes tonight but I've got a few things to sort first! :)
MKR&*42
17-09-2015, 06:35 PM
but c*** is such a great word
Didn't see it
get rid of stupid rules such as asking for rep not being allowed. specifically when you say 'rep me' in a thread that says 'post for rep' THEN GETTING WARNED FOR IT. ridiculous
but *REMOVED* is such a great word @Expling (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=122515); this is the exact nannying that nobody likes or needs. The word is part of a discussion, not an insult - therefore it doesn't need filtering. Avoiding the filter has been allowed for a long time in the feedback section.
I don't know about any rule changes (aside from simplifying them like GommeInc suggested in the previous thread about rules) but the application of them needs looking at. If post count doesn't increase in a forum, don't warn for pointless posting. If a discussion is about swearing, don't warn for filter avoidance. If people are friends and are clearly insulting eachother in jest, don't warn for bullying. Apply rules in a purposive way, not a literal way.
David
17-09-2015, 09:16 PM
@Expling (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=122515); this is the exact nannying that nobody likes or needs. The word is part of a discussion, not an insult - therefore it doesn't need filtering. Avoiding the filter has been allowed for a long time in the feedback section.
I don't know about any rule changes (aside from simplifying them like GommeInc suggested in the previous thread about rules) but the application of them needs looking at. If post count doesn't increase in a forum, don't warn for pointless posting. If a discussion is about swearing, don't warn for filter avoidance. If people are friends and are clearly insulting eachother in jest, don't warn for bullying. Apply rules in a purposive way, not a literal way.
i said similar to you in the pm, he wanted me to do a support thread to overturn it. cba.
it was the c word @Intersocial (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=86637);
lawrawrrr
17-09-2015, 09:49 PM
@Expling (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=122515); this is the exact nannying that nobody likes or needs. The word is part of a discussion, not an insult - therefore it doesn't need filtering. Avoiding the filter has been allowed for a long time in the feedback section.
I don't know about any rule changes (aside from simplifying them like GommeInc suggested in the previous thread about rules) but the application of them needs looking at. If post count doesn't increase in a forum, don't warn for pointless posting. If a discussion is about swearing, don't warn for filter avoidance. If people are friends and are clearly insulting eachother in jest, don't warn for bullying. Apply rules in a purposive way, not a literal way.
It was an honest mistake, he didn't know about that rule. He knows now and if David wants it reversed then he can post in support and Matt will sort it!
That's the idea with the simplifying it really, there's an awful lot of moderator discretion at the moment and that does vary depending on who the moderator reading that post is, now it's global moderation and everything. It is hard to draw a line sometimes - if two friends are "jokingly" being nasty to each other and we leave it, does that not leave a precedent, an example for other people to think "oh it's ok to do that then, I can say that too!!" when they might not say it as friendly banter but in an offensive manner? How is it fair to justify leaving one but not the other - however this does only apply to the post in context, which is a big point of mine, reading the post in its context is incredibly important to moderation and moderators do know this.
As for the pointless posting rule then that's something that will come in to phase two, and we've only discussed a few bits for that right now so we'll bear that in mind :)
lawrawrrr
17-09-2015, 10:11 PM
I'm hoping to upload the first phase of rule changes tonight but I've got a few things to sort first! :)
Just to let you know I haven't done these tonight, but I'll do them tomorrow. Something came up IRL which means I didn't really have time or motivation!!
wixard
17-09-2015, 10:22 PM
not good enough laura i've been sitting here for three hours straight refreshing
lawrawrrr
17-09-2015, 10:41 PM
not good enough laura i've been sitting here for three hours straight refreshing
YOU DONT KNOW WHAT IM GOING THROUGH YOU DONT KNOW ME
no i know I hate saying I'm gonna do something and not doing it but some people will tell me off if I keep not sleeping to do habbox work so blame them
scottish
17-09-2015, 10:45 PM
Expling; this is the exact nannying that nobody likes or needs. The word is part of a discussion, not an insult - therefore it doesn't need filtering. Avoiding the filter has been allowed for a long time in the feedback section.
I don't know about any rule changes (aside from simplifying them like GommeInc suggested in the previous thread about rules) but the application of them needs looking at. If post count doesn't increase in a forum, don't warn for pointless posting. If a discussion is about swearing, don't warn for filter avoidance. If people are friends and are clearly insulting eachother in jest, don't warn for bullying. Apply rules in a purposive way, not a literal way.
problem with that is when I fall out with you and call you a good for nothing **** who fancies red they don't know if I'm joking or being serious, and then it leads to Person A moaning about Person B not being warned when they're being abusive/insulting/blah blah
For the purpose of this thread users will be allowed to avoid the filter if they're suggesting a word to be removed from it. If you abuse the filter and the words that are still in it then you'll be contacted by me.
As Laura has already mentioned, the changes will be happening at some point tomorrow/today as it's now Friday in the UK :)
David
18-09-2015, 01:41 AM
will dick be unfiltered in any of the next stages
will dick be unfiltered in any of the next stages
Myself and Laura compiled a list of terms that were either a) unfiltered on Habbo and therefore we felt like it was pointless to have them filtered on the Forum or b) thought that they could be used not on a personal level but to express emotions (such as anger, frustration etc if that makes sense?). A post will be made in the development thread with all the words that have been unfiltered in stage 1.
If anyone wants additional words to be unfiltered then they'll need to put forward their argument with a reason why (otherwise it'll be ignored). Just saying you want a word unfiltered for the sake of being allowed to use it around the forum is not good enough. We felt a number of words would be used purely to insult users and to degrade them, therefore don't be surprised if we turn round and say a number of them will be remaining filtered. Again, it depends on the types of words people want unfiltered and so on.
We'll wait for the official announcement before we start thinking about unfiltering words in stage 2 ;)
The profanity filter is long overdue, ty.
s generated during Happy Hour's
no apostrophe please it's giving me brain tumour's
The profanity filter is long overdue, ty.
no apostrophe please it's giving me brain tumour's
Sorted!
FlyingJesus
18-09-2015, 12:50 PM
So basically you can call people a shitbitch and ask them to rep you for it now
"any comments or insults that directly offend a user on a personal level will be removed" does this mean every time Dan says you lot in an argument because he thinks everyone who doesn't agree with him is the same person his post will be deleted please say that's gonna happen
And do we need to provide proof when talking about Tara or Martin getting with minors
FlyingJesus
18-09-2015, 01:04 PM
ps having the filter optional is pointless no-one's gonna choose to not see half of spam
So basically you can call people a shitbitch and ask them to rep you for it now
You could do, yes! Although I'd ask for the rep before you call them a shitbitch otherwise you might get a -rep.
"any comments or insults that directly offend a user on a personal level will be removed" does this mean every time Dan says you lot in an argument because he thinks everyone who doesn't agree with him is the same person his post will be deleted please say that's gonna happen
Unfortunately not!
And do we need to provide proof when talking about Tara or Martin getting with minors
Yes otherwise you might create an argument and it'll be moved to Spam :(
add libel to the rules
I'll be honest and say I don't know what libel means - nevermind I googled it and agree it's worthy of a rule. I think Laura is going to add that to the rules!
ps having the filter optional is pointless no-one's gonna choose to not see half of spam
It's there as a safety net. If we didn't have it I'm almost 100% certain that we would get at least one person saying they don't like swearing and that they should be able to turn it off.
FlyingJesus
18-09-2015, 01:15 PM
Make the default setting be off then just for ease of use and oh boy a libel rule is gonna be fun
Make the default setting be off then just for ease of use and oh boy a libel rule is gonna be fun
Although it may be easier as a default option so people don't have to go trawling through their settings, I personally think it's safer to keep the filter on for new users as then they can turn it off on their own accord and can't blame us for making them see all these swear words. It might sound stupid but users do generally go through their settings anyway when setting up their account, so I'm sure they'd see it and turn it off/leave it on depending on their preference. I'm not sure what Management think but that's my stance.
Libel wasn't a bad suggestion and I reckon quite a few people will agree with the implementation of that!
lawrawrrr
18-09-2015, 01:37 PM
So basically you can call people a ******** and ask them to rep you for it now
"any comments or insults that directly offend a user on a personal level will be removed" does this mean every time Dan says you lot in an argument because he thinks everyone who doesn't agree with him is the same person his post will be deleted please say that's gonna happen
And do we need to provide proof when talking about Tara or Martin getting with minors
Any time someone feels like they are being attacked or targetted or are offended by something then they have the right to report it (aka, with the confederate flag, if someone was legitimately offended by it and could explain why and we judged weren't trolling, we might remove it). Moderators won't be making the call on if it's offensive, 90% of the time.
That's been added into the libel rule now which I'm about to announce. Basically, don't accuse someone of being a paedo because they could technically take you to court for it
ps having the filter optional is pointless no-one's gonna choose to not see half of spam
the default is filter on because otherwise we may get into trouble about swears showing and it gives users the option to turn it off rather than on (which is much better).
add libel to the rules
Added, about to announce now. I thought about it when we were first discussing but wasn't sure how relevant it was. I've also added more about national law.
Hello! Glad to see this has finally been done after all of the speaking about it.
Something I would add and it's something I KINDA did anyway as Forum Management is something around people +Repping posts that were targeting other members. I just used to remove their rep idk.
Hello! Glad to see this has finally been done after all of the speaking about it.
Something I would add and it's something I KINDA did anyway as Forum Management is something around people +Repping posts that were targeting other members. I just used to remove their rep idk.
this could've been tackled by allowing -reps to remove green display points. You can't really police what people find rep worthy.
this could've been tackled by allowing -reps to remove green display points. You can't really police what people find rep worthy.
While I see what you're saying, people are still getting +rep for being rude, bullies etc. which is just encouraging them.
Inseriousity.
18-09-2015, 03:41 PM
lol GMQs - funny name btw I like it - and now no personal attacks.
Is Laura a Corbyn fan? ;)
ps. laura your new av is really scary.
pss omg am i breaking the new rules lolol
lawrawrrr
18-09-2015, 04:40 PM
lol GMQs - funny name btw I like it - and now no personal attacks.
Is Laura a Corbyn fan? ;)
ps. laura your new av is really scary.
pss omg am i breaking the new rules lolol
THIS IS SO IRRELEVANT TO THE THREAD
PMQs have nothing to do with Corbyn (well he's involved in them now I guess) they've been going for hundreds of years PLUS I had this name before he was even elected was just waiting until I was back to post it
ps thanks i'm doing a series of my habbo in high-art settings whenever I have time
Inseriousity.
18-09-2015, 06:06 PM
lol its not irrelevant. i added 'and now no personal attacks' so its about the rules :P (im fine with it although that sort of thing happens more on Habbo than the forum and more difficult to police).
I meant crowdsourcing the questions to the public and getting people to send them in which is what Corbyn did on Wednesday's PMQs. it was a terrible political joke really ;)
scottish
18-09-2015, 07:13 PM
While I see what you're saying, people are still getting +rep for being rude, bullies etc. which is just encouraging them.
there's nothing wrong with that, I doubt someone's going to say something rude in order to get rep.. and it's the users right to rep what they find rep worthy
there's nothing wrong with that, I doubt someone's going to say something rude in order to get rep.. and it's the users right to rep what they find rep worthy
There's nothing wrong with encouraging it? Okay?! So if someone made a hurtful comment towards you, it would be okay for them to be rewarded by other members via +rep?
David
18-09-2015, 08:02 PM
There's nothing wrong with encouraging it? Okay?! So if someone made a hurtful comment towards you, it would be okay for them to be rewarded by other members via +rep?
yes that's their right
you can't police what people think is worthy of a +rep
you shouldnt have been removing them unless they were reported by the user that received them
I do not understand you lot sometimes, this has been brought up by members many times before
scottish
18-09-2015, 08:38 PM
"Accusing others of breaking national law is not allowed: defamation and libel will not be tolerated on Habbox, and any serious claims of a member breaking the law of their country or that of Habbox's base (the United Kingdom) should be forwarded immediately to the General Manager, lawrawrrr who will assess claims and take it forward with the relevant authorities if necessary. Posting "evidence" of claims without first speaking to the General Manager may result in an infraction or warning, or further (if your post is defamatory or libellous). Such laws include (but are not limited to):"
makes me think the forums a bit of a joke tbh
I can bet almost everyone on HxL is breaking copyright/piracy laws, please forward this to the relevant authorities.
hell habbox used to host the illegal executable for SAM Broadcaster until an incident many years ago.
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There's nothing wrong with encouraging it? Okay?! So if someone made a hurtful comment towards you, it would be okay for them to be rewarded by other members via +rep?
yes, and if I made a hurtful comment towards them I would be fine with the rep I receive.
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I do not understand you lot sometimes, this has been brought up by members many times before
yes it was mentioned we should change the +rep counter to negate -rep to avoid that issue, not remove the rep ;l
scottish
18-09-2015, 09:00 PM
A1. Respect other forum members ~ Forum members are to be respectful of others at all times. Bullying and victimising will not be tolerated on the forum and attempting to cause arguments among others is not permitted. Disagreement of opinions is often the main source of arguing and therefore any comments or insults that directly offend a user on a personal level will be removed.
Isn't this the point of debates, I can see "you're completely wrong" turning into a A1 warning/infraction
A2. Do not post inappropriately ~ Habbox Forum has an audience that includes younger members, and as such all content must be suitable for those members. You must not post images, videos or links with inappropriate content like gore, nudity or any topics deemed offensive. Mildly inappropriate content (never anything rated 18+) is allowed where sufficient warning is added into the post and any image or link is placed within a badspoiler tag. The final decision on what is or is not inappropriate is at Moderator's discretion.
The rule states that but summary of changes states you need badspoiler for anything 18+, so what is it, 18+ with badspoiler or never anything 18+?
So we can post annoying as hell spam popups and rick rolls again?
A3. Do not avoid the forum filter ~ Mild swearing is allowed on the Forum however is limited to certain words. Click here to see what is and isn't acceptable. Purposely avoiding the forum filter is not allowed and adding single letters so that users can clearly recognise what the filtered word is (such as "t***") is an example of this rule break. Any swear words that are used to attack or insult users will be removed as a breach of rule A1. Users can turn off the forum filter by following these instructions: (UserCP > Edit Profile > Edit Profanity Filter).
You shouldn't include instructions in the rule, you should have a 'Click here' similar to the Click here to see what is/isn't acceptable.
A4. Do not accuse others of scamming or hacking or any illegal activity without evidence ~ making baseless accusations leads to arguments and often members being targeted, as well as being illegal itself in many countries. We do not allow you to accuse anyone of hacking, scamming or activities which break the Habbo Way without legitimate evidence. All evidence is to be submitted to a Super Moderator or member of Forum Management before being posted. If evidence is not provided or deemed to be fake or insufficient then any posts or threads regarding that topic will be removed.
Accusing others of breaking national law is not allowed: defamation and libel will not be tolerated on Habbox, and any serious claims of a member breaking the law of their country or that of Habbox's base (the United Kingdom) should be forwarded immediately to the General Manager, lawrawrrr who will assess claims and take it forward with the relevant authorities if necessary. Posting "evidence" of claims without first speaking to the General Manager may result in an infraction or warning, or further (if your post is defamatory or libellous). Such laws include (but are not limited to):
Paedophilia and child sex laws
Copyright law
Pirating software and files
Revenge pornography
Already said this rule seems stupid..
A5. Do not post private details or information ~ We do not allow you to post private information about yourself due to security concerns. Disclosing any information about another forum user without their consent is also not allowed. This includes:
Private messages relating to Staff issues or details regarding staff-only matters**
Private conversations where no consent from all parties is provided (both from the forum and / or other platforms)
Images / videos of the user or links to a page where an image/video of another user is located (this includes social networking sites, facebook, myspace etc)
It is also not allowed to give out the personal details (specific address, phone number etc) of anyone, forum user or otherwise.
** Information regarding warnings, infractions and/or dismissal reasons are deemed confidential and will not be disclosed by Moderators or Management. If recipients choose to share details regarding any disciplinary action, then the confidentiality is considered broken and Moderators or Management are allowed to share information/comment on the issue. Additionally, you are allowed to post pictures of yourself and use them as your profile picture, avatar and as a signature image. You may also share your email address and social networking profiles on the forum.
has this rule ever been enforced? the amount of times I've posted private convos without permission
lawrawrrr
18-09-2015, 09:47 PM
"Accusing others of breaking national law is not allowed: defamation and libel will not be tolerated on Habbox, and any serious claims of a member breaking the law of their country or that of Habbox's base (the United Kingdom) should be forwarded immediately to the General Manager, lawrawrrr who will assess claims and take it forward with the relevant authorities if necessary. Posting "evidence" of claims without first speaking to the General Manager may result in an infraction or warning, or further (if your post is defamatory or libellous). Such laws include (but are not limited to):"
makes me think the forums a bit of a joke tbh
I can bet almost everyone on HxL is breaking copyright/piracy laws, please forward this to the relevant authorities.
hell habbox used to host the illegal executable for SAM Broadcaster until an incident many years ago.
Well if we're seen to be encouraging, allowing or facilitating illegal activity then we could potentially be in a lot of trouble with the law and face huge fines or being shut down so yeah, gonna keep this in. We've had incidents in the past where we've had to escalate cases to the police which is why that line is in there.
Obviously I'm not going to be reporting DJs for downloading files off YouTube but neither am I going to allow people to post links to torrent/warez sites (because Sulake can see these and remove us from official, we have to enforce the Habbo Way for the most part) or convince and accuse members of being paedophiles.
If a member was continually posted about in that context and then went on to, say, run for MP, the press would probably find that and that's not OK. It's libel, and it's not legal. Yeah, most of the time it's a joke and I'm not exactly Hitler here but I would like to deal with these cases really because I have legal training in this stuff thanks to my IRL job, so I thought that made sense.
It doesn't really affect you, or most other people, and the rule hasn't really changed much, I've just written up what I've been enforcing and the way we've dealt with things over the last few years.
Isn't this the point of debates, I can see "you're completely wrong" turning into a A1 warning/infraction
Obviously not, it says "any comments or insults that directly offend a user on a personal level will be removed". This isn't really a chance but more of a rewording of A1 which was there before. Except I'm pushing much more for a user-reported system, so if someone is offended by something then they can report it and we'd look into it, rather than moderators deciding if someone is offended by something.
The rule states that but summary of changes states you need badspoiler for anything 18+, so what is it, 18+ with badspoiler or never anything 18+?
Looks like a bit of miscommunication between the two posts, referring you to the swearing the the filter rule here:
It is allowed to post images/videos that contain mild swearing in badspoiler tags.However if the swearing within the badspoiler is deemed to be too strong it shall be removed by a Forum Moderator.
It is not allowed to post any images/videos that breach the filter without using badspoiler tags.
As the default setting for the profanity filter is "on", we'll still be enforcing badfilter rules throughout the forum when it comes to swearing in images & videos. Pornography is not allowed.
So we can post annoying as hell spam popups and rick rolls again?
You can technically but if it's pointless or you're clearly and consistently trolling, you'll be warned for that :]
You shouldn't include instructions in the rule, you should have a 'Click here' similar to the Click here to see what is/isn't acceptable.
It's fine.
Already said this rule seems stupid..
Other members asked me to add the bit about libel and it means we're safer legally than we were before. As you may be able to imagine, we have to deal with accusations of paedophilia fairly often so having something in the rules means that it's much easier to have a clear procedure in place, as that's something we've been criticised of in the not-too-distant past with a case such as this.
The thing that's changed here is that before, you couldn't accuse ANYONE of ANY illegal activity, but now because we're allowing you to post names of Habbo scammers, I felt a clearer distinction had to be made between real-life law accusations (libel) and Habbo (not so much).
has this rule ever been enforced? the amount of times I've posted private convos without permission
Generally we don't remove private conversations the second we see them, but if someone asks for something to be removed then it's taken down. I've asked for the rule to be enforced 3 or 4 times for myself since I've been at Habbox and I know it's been enforced at least twice during the last month. Generally though, it's up to the user that didn't give permission to whether the content is removed or not.
MKR&*42
18-09-2015, 11:29 PM
Soz if already brought up but I can't see the option to remove the filter in UserCP?
So for now if b_rst_rd (will edit my post if this filters) is filtered, can you unfilter as Habbo don't have it filtered either.
scottish
18-09-2015, 11:36 PM
It's not filtered
In UserCP go to Edit Profile then bottom of page
Soz if already brought up but I can't see the option to remove the filter in UserCP?
So for now if b_rst_rd (will edit my post if this filters) is filtered, can you unfilter as Habbo don't have it filtered either.
Bastard is unfiltered, just turn off the filter by going to UserCP > My Settings (in the sidebar) > Edit Profile > Scroll right to the bottom. The thread here explains more.
(http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=829778)
I know Laura's already replied to you Scott, but i'll give you an answer too.
Isn't this the point of debates, I can see "you're completely wrong" turning into a A1 warning/infraction
You can have debates and respect the people you're debating with, can you not? There's been cases in the past were people have turned to personal insults such as "Well you're just a dumb **** for thinking that" when the user is often only sharing their opinion. That is what the rule is referring to when it says personal insults, you're calling them a dumb **** for not agreeing with you. "You're completely wrong" is most certainly not warning/infraction worthy and in my opinion is not even a rule break as long as the user justifies why they've said it.
The rule states that but summary of changes states you need badspoiler for anything 18+, so what is it, 18+ with badspoiler or never anything 18+?
Mildly inappropriate content is allowed so long as it is nothing rated 18+. This would refer to things like lots of bad language in a video for example, or an image that might be considered offensive as it is joking about a serious matter - but the actual picture would be nothing rated 18+.
So we can post annoying as hell spam popups and rick rolls again?
I assumed most people had grown up since the days of rick rolling as we very rarely see it on the forum nowadays. By all means go for it but if it's not in Spam then you'll be contacted about it. If it's used in post after post after post then users will be contacted about it.
You shouldn't include instructions in the rule, you should have a 'Click here' similar to the Click here to see what is/isn't acceptable.
I see nothing wrong with this. It's giving users directions on how to go about turning off the filter as it's a big part of that particular rule. It could be included in the 'Click Here' link but I personally think it's fine in the rule itself.
has this rule ever been enforced? the amount of times I've posted private convos without permission
It has been enforced a number of times. It depends on the content disclosed in the conversation, the types of language used and the people in the conversation.
Bloop
19-09-2015, 09:35 AM
ME: circumcision is sexual
FORUM MANAGER: You need to stay in school if you think a debate on circumcision is sexual
does this count? hmmmmmmmmmm
scottish
19-09-2015, 11:59 AM
You can have debates and respect the people you're debating with, can you not? There's been cases in the past were people have turned to personal insults such as "Well you're just a dumb **** for thinking that" when the user is often only sharing their opinion. That is what the rule is referring to when it says personal insults, you're calling them a dumb **** for not agreeing with you. "You're completely wrong" is most certainly not warning/infraction worthy and in my opinion is not even a rule break as long as the user justifies why they've said it.
Of course you can, but soon as you say something like "No you're wrong" some kids are going to report this as a violation of rule A1 or anything that's essentially saying they're wrong although it may not be an insult at them they'll use the rule to their advantage as the rule includes "any comments OR INSULTS", so I think the rule should of been left alone because essentially now if I think anything offends me I can report you whether it's a comment or I see that as an insult.
e.g. if you call me ginger I find that offensive can I get you warned for A1? :P
The rule dealt with all of this before and I see the change as a backwards step as it's just going to allow it to be abused more, and when people don't get their way they'll complain about the rule and how you're not enforcing it
Mildly inappropriate content is allowed so long as it is nothing rated 18+. This would refer to things like lots of bad language in a video for example, or an image that might be considered offensive as it is joking about a serious matter - but the actual picture would be nothing rated 18+.
Okay so fix the summary of changes as it mentioned you can post 18+
I assumed most people had grown up since the days of rick rolling as we very rarely see it on the forum nowadays. By all means go for it but if it's not in Spam then you'll be contacted about it. If it's used in post after post after post then users will be contacted about it.
Because it was banned so people typically didn't do it
I see nothing wrong with this. It's giving users directions on how to go about turning off the filter as it's a big part of that particular rule. It could be included in the 'Click Here' link but I personally think it's fine in the rule itself.
I just think rules should be straight to the point, not including useless information within it (e.g. you don't explain how to use badspoilers, etc, or how to report posts to mods, etc so why include this).
*REMOVED* ~ lawrawrrr
lawrawrrr
19-09-2015, 01:09 PM
Of course you can, but soon as you say something like "No you're wrong" some kids are going to report this as a violation of rule A1 or anything that's essentially saying they're wrong although it may not be an insult at them they'll use the rule to their advantage as the rule includes "any comments OR INSULTS", so I think the rule should of been left alone because essentially now if I think anything offends me I can report you whether it's a comment or I see that as an insult.
e.g. if you call me ginger I find that offensive can I get you warned for A1? :P
The rule dealt with all of this before and I see the change as a backwards step as it's just going to allow it to be abused more, and when people don't get their way they'll complain about the rule and how you're not enforcing it
Just because you can report it it doesn't mean it's going to be removed straight away, a report just triggers an investigation into whether something could be considered genuinely offensive. Obviously if someone reports "no you're wrong" then we're going to say this is not a violation of rule A1 because it's not a "comment or insult that directly offends a user on a personal level".
That's the biggest change to this rule, a lot of people have said to me recently that they didn't know they could report something like that. It's barely a change to the rule, just clarifies the emphasis on user-reported comments that we're aiming for.
For example, if someone replies to me in, say, a thread about intelligence saying "no you're such a blonde" then I may wish to report that as it's used in an offensive manner - to disregard any intelligence I may have claimed to have. That's not something that moderators would have necessarily picked up on, and honestly some users may not wish to report a comment like that, which is why we're emphasising user-reported offense rather than moderators making a decision on whether someone should be offended by something or not. It's much clearer IMO and, once again, isn't really that much of a change in general.
scottish
19-09-2015, 01:36 PM
Why did you remove the bit regarding Matt offending Krush? :P
Seems a bit wrong thread regarding rule changing and the FM's breaking the rules within that lol.
The rule was pretty obvious before "Respect other forum members", but the wording now just seems if you say something and I don't like it I can report you, which to me seems as if it'll be abused.
Inseriousity.
19-09-2015, 02:40 PM
I wonder why Matt removed his post. :P
I think bloop was asking where the line was drawn.
lawrawrrr
19-09-2015, 03:27 PM
Why did you remove the bit regarding Matt offending Krush? :P
Seems a bit wrong thread regarding rule changing and the FM's breaking the rules within that lol.
The rule was pretty obvious before "Respect other forum members", but the wording now just seems if you say something and I don't like it I can report you, which to me seems as if it'll be abused.
If it's abused then we'll look at rewording it again. Respect other forum members is way too broad IMO which is why it's been reworded. Before, if you felt you weren't being respected then you were at liberty to report it, but many people didn't know they could do this, which is why we reworded the rule, but it's pretty much the exact same thing.
A few posts have been removed from this thread actually, for the same reason, but I can't discuss why sorry :P
FlyingJesus
19-09-2015, 07:04 PM
It's only libel if it's not true
MKR&*42
19-09-2015, 08:17 PM
It's not filtered
In UserCP go to Edit Profile then bottom of page
**** is unfiltered, just turn off the filter by going to UserCP > My Settings (in the sidebar) > Edit Profile > Scroll right to the bottom. The thread here explains more. (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=829778)
Thanks x 2
@Expling (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=122515); do you only moderate things when it's me getting reported or is it just that we're not actually going to enforce these new rules
All moderators have been informed of the new rules and I trust that they are enforcing the new rules correctly. If you have an issue with a moderator or want to discuss anything further you can either create a Support Thread or send me a Private Message. :)
Also scottish; i've read your replies and i'll be discussing the points you've raised with Laura and General Management before the release of the new Forum Specific rules. The same goes for anyone that has provided feedback so far.
Inseriousity.
20-09-2015, 06:48 PM
It's not like you haven't thrown the same unfounded accusations around based on hearsay and gossip, Tom. This is probably the exact reason Laura introduced these rules because these sort of accusations and the Habbox Kangaroo Court system that tends to arise from it are hurtful and promotes sly digs, bitching and outright bullying at times. However, I think the Respect other forum members A1 rule that we already had could've covered this sort of thing just as well and the mods could've been asked/told to be more stricter with this rule.
FlyingJesus
20-09-2015, 08:54 PM
Actually I've never said anything along those lines without it being either true or a clear joke between friends, but enjoy your rep from talking nonsense as usual, I'm sure there's lots more of that to come from the other behind the scenes folk who make up opinions based on nothing at all so well done on your way to legend
Inseriousity.
20-09-2015, 08:59 PM
lol pretty sure you did it in this thread although it's probably been removed by now so I can't go back to confirm.
FlyingJesus
20-09-2015, 09:12 PM
Yeah when it was true, covered that already
Lewis
04-10-2015, 12:30 PM
I'm all for the rule changes but I don't see why the trading subforums have been merged and the scams/bobba/glitches have been merged. Seems a bit silly in my opinion, even if some are more inactive than others. They're each better suited suited to their own section, I can't see how any benefit comes from merging them.
I think this more so for the trading subforums, it'll probably make it harder to search for certain value groups of furniture if they're all bundled into one.
I don't know if I'm the only one that thinks this, but hey.
lawrawrrr
04-10-2015, 12:38 PM
I'm all for the rule changes but I don't see why the trading subforums have been merged and the scams/bobba/glitches have been merged. Seems a bit silly in my opinion, even if some are more inactive than others. They're each better suited suited to their own section, I can't see how any benefit comes from merging them.
I think this more so for the trading subforums, it'll probably make it harder to search for certain value groups of furniture if they're all bundled into one.
I don't know if I'm the only one that thinks this, but hey.
It's mainly because there was no point in the subforums recently, each of them weren't used that much on their own. People might not know where to go to find what they want and are less likely to see other related threads that may interest them, rather clicking off the forum after one thread. I just feel that the forum is extremely cluttered - especially for people who don't use New Posts/Activity Stream and the aim was to simplify it while making areas more defined for people who DO use new posts etc (done through prefixes).
You can still search just as easily through the trading forum and even sort by prefix on advanced search - I know a lot of people don't know what "category" their furni goes under to sell so this way people can easily see the categories if they want but search the forum for a specific item?
I do not mind that Trading has been merged but...
The new prefixes are: [Categorised Rare & Norms] [Rare] [Super Rare] [LTD] [Misc]
The old prefixes of [Buying] and [Selling] have now been removed and users are asked to include either "B>", "T>" or "S>" at the start of their thread title. If users forget this, then moderators will simply add it into their thread title and will not incur a usernote/private message or visitor message.
Would be easier for all if B> or S> was put in the prefixes automatically. Yes this would lead to double the amount of Prefixes but makes Mods life easier.
lawrawrrr
04-10-2015, 12:58 PM
I do not mind that Trading has been merged but...
Would be easier for all if B> or S> was put in the prefixes automatically. Yes this would lead to double the amount of Prefixes but makes Mods life easier.
We can't have two sets of prefixes, I guess we could do [LTD] B> and [LTD] S> but it's common practice on Habbo trading forums to put the B and S in anyway so most people will probably do that anyway?
If too many people are forgetting the B>, S> etc in their thread titles then that definitely is a possibility. I seem to recall that idea was brought up in discussions between myself and Laura or I did think about using it when we originally spoke about adding prefixes in that Forum - but we left it out.
We can't have two sets of prefixes, I guess we could do [LTD] B> and [LTD] S> but it's common practice on Habbo trading forums to put the B and S in anyway so most people will probably do that anyway?
I know you cannot have two sets of prefixes without another MOD. My post meant have double the number of prefixes like Matts post above.
I think manually entering B> S> is fine
Samantha
04-10-2015, 10:12 PM
I don't mind it, it will definitely make it easier with members not knowing where to put the thread, and it's easier for a mod to change a prefix to the correct one or adding the B> or S> in.
The one thing I would change is the prefixes, with it all being in one forum you have no need for the 'categorised rare' bit as you don't use 'normal rares' just rares which is ambiguous due to most rares aside from classical ones being categorised now. So I think 'LTD', 'Super', 'Rare' and 'Norm' (and Misc) would be better.
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lawrawrrr
04-10-2015, 10:40 PM
I don't mind it, it will definitely make it easier with members not knowing where to put the thread, and it's easier for a mod to change a prefix to the correct one or adding the B> or S> in.
The one thing I would change is the prefixes, with it all being in one forum you have no need for the 'categorised rare' bit as you don't use 'normal rares' just rares which is ambiguous due to most rares aside from classical ones being categorised now. So I think 'LTD', 'Super', 'Rare' and 'Norm' (and Misc) would be better.
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I THOUGHT THIS TOO but I have no idea what categorised rare even MEANT and there's no separate star on hx.com anyway?
I think [Bulk] [Assorted] [Rare] [Super] [Ltd] would be good
honestly who comes on to sell a norm
Samantha
04-10-2015, 10:45 PM
I THOUGHT THIS TOO but I have no idea what categorised rare even MEANT and there's no separate star on hx.com anyway?
A categorised rare means it was released in a specific range - so a Mushroom Wall would fit in with the Fungi or Flower Power category (hence the long list of categories on rare values/the Mushroom Wall has been released in both categories). A 'normal' rare is something like a Bronze Elephant, although it could fit into Elephant Statues it's also an established rare in its own right.
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I think [Bulk] [Assorted] [Rare] [Super] [Ltd] would be good
honestly who comes on to sell a norm
These prefixes would make a lot more sense compared to what we have now (and the fact they're pretty self explanatory also helps).
lawrawrrr
05-10-2015, 09:55 AM
These prefixes would make a lot more sense compared to what we have now (and the fact they're pretty self explanatory also helps).
I agree actually, this does make more sense! Shoot me a message if you want me to update them later if you don't have time :D
Edit: actually do you not think norm is a thing? Cos sometimes norms can increase quite a lot in value / people selling a lot of them might not wanna do a bulk deal which is what the prefix "bulk" means to me? Jellyfish; opinion???
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Samantha
05-10-2015, 10:44 AM
I agree actually, this does make more sense! Shoot me a message if you want me to update them later if you don't have time :D
Edit: actually do you not think norm is a thing? Cos sometimes norms can increase quite a lot in value / people selling a lot of them might not wanna do a bulk deal which is what the prefix "bulk" means to me? Jellyfish; opinion???
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Omg you're a person many traders would be annoyed by haha (not me ofc), bulk on Habbo generally means you have more than say 10 of one item, some traders however will just say "Just because it's bulk doesn't mean there are deals", although there usually are.
The assorted one could potentially cover norms, as they essentially are just items in the Catalogue, which aren't traded too much and players might be selling some of them, but maybe have a small rare for sale and not realise if that makes sense?
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Lewis
05-10-2015, 11:24 AM
What do seasonal rares/norms go under?
I thought that was categorized rares
Samantha
05-10-2015, 11:35 AM
What do seasonal rares/norms go under?
I thought that was categorized rares
Seasonal rares would go under categorised rares, seasonal norms would go under norms, if the 'Categorised Rare & Norms' prefix is removed then the person selling could just put seasonal in the title (and would go under rare, norm or assorted in the case you're selling both). Categorised rares as a prefix in itself is defunct due to them still being classed as a rare, they just fall into a specific sub category. Come to mention it though I'm not sure why we had a normal rare forum previously as only a few items could actually be sold in there and not be moved to super/ltd or categorised/norm.
I haven't seen the word seasonal used by anyone that registered past about 2009. What the categories could cover:
Assorted - people selling a lot of different items, e.g. a full inventory, or buying some specific things for a room.
Bulk - as Samanfa says, more than 10 of an item. e.g. buying bulk jellyfish lamps, or selling bulk petal patches. Would fall into the other categories but there's just a lot of the item.
Rare - all rares, seasonal or otherwise.
LTD - LTDs...
Supers - (or ultras) furniture that is hard to find and often has a high price tag. The hippos scotesh was trading for example, or ultras like the army plasto, poster_0 or a moodi machine.
Norms don't need a category because furni values fluctuate a lot and what is now considered norm might be considered rare in the future. If somebody wants to buy an iced corner and twelve bars they can do it via the assorted category.
I think the swearing changes are fucking shit.
If you don't get the irony, please leave
I think the swearing changes are fucking shit.
If you don't get the irony, please leave
Thanks for that constructive bit of feedback, e5! Feel free to elaborate on why they are 'fucking shit' and not 'fucking well overdue'. It is a feedback thread so I'll take your very ironic reply seriously :)
Thanks for that constructive bit of feedback, e5! Feel free to elaborate on why they are 'fucking shit' and not 'fucking well overdue'. It is a feedback thread so I'll take your very ironic reply seriously :)
Matt, I have no idea what I am saying, I just wanted to see swear words on the forum :D, overdue would be a better word!!
p.s. great change
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