At least 15 dead in US college shooting

[MKR&*42]

http://www.rt.com/usa/317243-shooting-school-oregon-umpqua/


Fifteen people have been confirmed dead and at least 20 others have been injured, according to Oregon State Police.

A tweet said at 10:45 a.m. that there was an active shooter at Umpqua Community College in Douglas County, Oregon.

At least 10 people have been killed and around 20 others have been injured, Oregon State Police spokesman Bill Fugate initially told CNN. The number of dead later rose to 15.

Story is still developing apparently.

Another shooting tragedy in the states, RIP :(

[Yawn]

At least 15 people were killed and another 20 wounded at a shooting on Thursday at a community college in Roseburg, Oregon, media reported.

CNN said the shooter had been detained.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/01/us-usa-shooting-oregon-idUSKCN0RV5EP20151001?utm_source=twitter

http://pzfeed.com/active-shooter-reported-at-umpqua-community-college/

ongoing right now

Threads merged by Samanfa (Forum Super Moderator): As they are both on the same topic.

[sexpot]

inb4 the USA needs to ban guns then this will stop

[Matthew]

the usa needs to ban guns then this will stop

[-:Undertaker:-]

Let us hope that this attack is taking place in a state where the death penalty is actively operating so at least justice can be served.


the usa needs to ban guns then this will stop

No it won't.

What might make it stop is an investigation into cannabis and proscribed drugs which almost all of the shooters seem to be on. There's a lot of suspicion that the literal drugging of a nation (and it is happening here with violent attacks too) may have something to do with people being proscribed the likes of anti-depressants for years on end or the use of cannabis. In addition as to what might make shootings like this stop would be the end of "No gun zones" or "No conceal and carry" which is often where these attacks take place: of course by the time the Police arrive to a Gun-free zone to shoot the madman, the damage is already done.

Switzerland has lax gun laws like the US of A, but does not have the shootings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

It's a culture/drug problem.

[Kyle]

bla bla gun laws bla

*watches everyone erupt into ill-informed debate on guns*

very sad news, sry 4 the families

[sexpot]

apparently the shooter posted on 4chan last night and a bunch of sick ******s encouraged him to do it

[Matthew]

apparently the shooter posted on 4chan last night and a bunch of sick ******s encouraged him to do it

absolutely awful :(

RIP :(

[FlyingJesus]

apparently the shooter posted on 4chan last night and a bunch of sick ******s encouraged him to do it

Someone said "don't go to school tomorrow if you're in the northwest", could have been anywhere unspecific and similarly ambiguous threads pop up every hour so I wouldn't read too much into that

Awful situation anyway, horrible that anyone would ever think that's a good option to land on

[j0rd]

what fj said, you get at least a few of them posts a day

so sad

[Mrs_Plant]

This is just such sad news!
thoughts are with all families!
Cherish each day!
Doesn't matter if there is a ban or not
if there is a will there is a way unfortunately

[Hannah]

the USA needs to ban guns then this will stop

;) ;D

[Ms.Aquamarine]

Absolutely sick of these shootings and innocent people being killed and injured. I wish it would all just stop sigh. R.I.P :(

Luckily we have heroes like this guy though. ~ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3257223/He-wasn-t-going-stand-watching-horrific-happen-hero-Army-veteran-shot-five-times-charged-Oregon-college-shooter.html

[Rhoose]

Terrible news, RIP to all that died. God bless you x

[AgnesIO]

Obama hits the nail on the head. The gun laws have to change. Idiots saying otherwise - including on this forum - need to stand up and face reality.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0AksD8TluI

[Red]

Obama hits the nail on the head. The gun laws have to change. Idiots saying otherwise - including on this forum - need to stand up and face reality.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0AksD8TluI

'This is a political choice that we make to allow this to happen every few months in America. We collectively are answerable to those families who lose their loved ones because of our inaction.'
Yes Obama :clap:

[MKR&*42]

Here's hoping it wasn't the guy on 4chan, BBC have said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34423387 the police are looking into that though.

If it is then that's my entire faith in humanity gone because some people are just sick ****** up freaks.

[FlyingJesus]

Considering Obama's definitely not gonna be in office next term he might as well go ahead with some of the important changes that need to be made and not worry about having to pander to anyone's swing vote. Whether he actually WILL or not is another matter of course

[-:Undertaker:-]

Obama is a clown and he's dreaming if he thinks he can change the constitution. Guns were put in it exactly because of people like Obama. conservative;


http://granitegrok.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/ObamaGuns1.jpg


If Obama and co want to save lives, they could argue for the repeal of so-called Gun-free zones on state property.

[AgnesIO]

Obama is a clown and he's dreaming if he thinks he can change the constitution. Guns were put in it exactly because of people like Obama. @conservative (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=36885);





If Obama and co want to save lives, they could argue for the repeal of so-called Gun-free zones on state property.

Having armed security guards as the most high profile man on earth? Wow, what a surprise :rolleyes:

Dan, you are absolutely fucking crazy if you genuinely believe that the gun laws are right. The 2nd amendment is ridiculous.

https://www.facebook.com/uniladmag/videos/1794665603889824/?fref=nf

[lucaskf390]

Guns are part of the US culture, they just need to make sure to truly test gun owners mind, most of these shooters are young, so they could ask them to renew the test in a short period of time and the older they get, less often they have to renew the test.

[AgnesIO]

Guns are part of the US culture, they just need to make sure to truly test gun owners mind, most of these shooters are young, so they could ask them to renew the test in a short period of time and the older they get, less often they have to renew the test.

'culture'. Move on.

[lucaskf390]

Kids learn how to shoot, grow up and then teach their own children to shoot, isnt that a culture?

[FlyingJesus]

Even if it is it doesn't make it a good thing

[Red]

Guns are part of the US culture, they just need to make sure to truly test gun owners mind, most of these shooters are young, so they could ask them to renew the test in a short period of time and the older they get, less often they have to renew the test.
How is it feasible to test every person regularly. I don't see how this type of test could work as people can put up facades.

[lucaskf390]

How is it feasible to test every person regularly. I don't see how this type of test could work as people can put up facades.

I dont know exactly how the guns law in usa is, but here where I live, in Brazil, to have a gun you need to give several documents, have several tests (including mental), and your gun is registered, you need to renew that register every three years - to renew is demanded your mental test (which cant be older than 1year). So what I'm proposing is, for different ages, different gaps between tests, and if you dont renew the test and keep the gun, you lose the gun, police go your house and take your gun. If this law is applied in a country like Brazil, its much much much easier to be applied in the USA.

[Matt]

Listening to how they had to play dead to survive, horrible :(

RIP to those that lost their lives

[-:Undertaker:-]

conservative;

Not at all. I have already given the example of Switzerland which has very lax gun laws but does not have this problem.

The Second Amendment was put into the Constitution by the Founding Fathers as a final defence against tyanny arising in America. It was put in there so that the state could never become too out of control or else the people can rise up and overthrow it: hence why the act most dictators first introduce when they take over is to demand the seizure of all guns in order to prevent any threat to their power. The Second Amendment is staying and cannot be removed in that constitutional republic, so you and other anti-gun campaigners - including the hypocrite-in-chief Obama - are just going to have to get over that.

It's interesting too how skewed you are on this, mainly due to British media refusing to ever cover the stories: all the time in America and every day people's lives and safety are saved by guns. There's tonnes of stories out there of old ladies on their own or young families successfully defending themselves with guns.

[FlyingJesus]

Saved by guns in situations that only arise because of guns... and mass shootings nearly every single day. A lack of gun crime in Switzerland just means that laws don't need to be changed in Switzerland, but laws obviously can't be universal when cultures are so different from country to country. If there's a problem you tackle it, you don't say "oh but someone else is ok with it like this"

[-:Undertaker:-]

Saved by guns in situations that only arise because of guns...

Um... no? If somebody is breaking into your house you could end up murdered, kidnapped or be raped. We see countless stories in this country of old women or old people in general targeted because they live alone and they're savagely beaten to an inch of their lives because they're defenceless.


and mass shootings nearly every single day.

No they don't.


A lack of gun crime in Switzerland just means that laws don't need to be changed in Switzerland, but laws obviously can't be universal when cultures are so different from country to country. If there's a problem you tackle it, you don't say "oh but someone else is ok with it like this"

But but but if guns are legal doesn't that mean everyone dies. Oh wait no because Switzerland doesn't have these problems with lax gun laws.

If you want to tackle a problem with the guns in America, what needs to be tackled is the enormous doping of the population which many of the killers tend to be on. In addition, tackle the gang violence in black neighbourhoods (which is where most of it all takes place) and the drug gangs from Mexico coming over the border. And bring an end to these absurd "Gun free zones" on state property which means everyone there is a sitting duck for a pyscho who has snapped.

[Lewis]

Plenty of people say "Guns don't kill people, people do" and I can completely understand that, it is a true statement.

But that doesn't change the fact that guns make it a hell of a lot easier to mass murder than the use of an alternative weapon, such as a knife.

The USA, in my own opinion, certainly do need better regulations and laws when it comes to guns. That's not too specific, I know, but I don't know much about this topic. From my mere knowledge of it all, that's what I think.

[FlyingJesus]

Um... no? If somebody is breaking into your house you could end up murdered, kidnapped or be raped. We see countless stories in this country of old women or old people in general targeted because they live alone and they're savagely beaten to an inch of their lives because they're defenceless.

What, no we don't


No they don't.

Stop (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/01/obama-oregon-college-shooting-routine) being (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/24/there-have-been-204-mass-shootings-and-204-days-in-2015-so-far/) wrong (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/08/26/were-now-averaging-more-than-one-mass-shooting-per-day-in-2015/) all (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/oct/02/mass-shootings-america-gun-violence) the (http://www.shootingtracker.com/) time (http://www.vox.com/2015/8/24/9183525/gun-violence-statistics)


But but but if guns are legal doesn't that mean everyone dies. Oh wait no because Switzerland doesn't have these problems with lax gun laws.

I'm not sure why you're saying this in response to me saying that laws need to be different according to the problems of different places. You are literally inventing arguments to replace what's actually been said and then trying to claim some sort of victory by doing so

[AgnesIO]

@conservative (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=36885);

Not at all. I have already given the example of Switzerland which has very lax gun laws but does not have this problem.

The Second Amendment was put into the Constitution by the Founding Fathers as a final defence against tyanny arising in America. It was put in there so that the state could never become too out of control or else the people can rise up and overthrow it: hence why the act most dictators first introduce when they take over is to demand the seizure of all guns in order to prevent any threat to their power. The Second Amendment is staying and cannot be removed in that constitutional republic, so you and other anti-gun campaigners - including the hypocrite-in-chief Obama - are just going to have to get over that.

It's interesting too how skewed you are on this, mainly due to British media refusing to ever cover the stories: all the time in America and every day people's lives and safety are saved by guns. There's tonnes of stories out there of old ladies on their own or young families successfully defending themselves with guns.

But America does have this problem. And unlike almost every Western civilised country on earth which doesn't have this problem, America has very lax gun laws. The second amendment was also made before the USA had the world's most powerful army, meaning that any dictator could destroy the entire population whether they have guns or not.

Skewed? Don't blame the British media for reporting about mass shootings, blame the American's for allowing them to happen. Oh, and as you are well aware, I spent a lot of time overseas. And it is reported just as much as it is in Britain.

[lucaskf390]

Dan's state over mexico's drugs cartels is right. They are extremely violent, have a gun in your home allow you to take them down in a possible attack.

[AgnesIO]

Dan's state over mexico's drugs cartels is right. They are extremely violent, have a gun in your home allow you to take them down in a possible attack.

Yes, because Mexican Drug Cartels are extremely likely to raid the home of a random American citizen.

[lucaskf390]

Yes, because Mexican Drug Cartels are extremely likely to raid the home of a random American citizen.
If you live in a violent and poor neighborhood, the same places where gangs and cartels are, anything can happen anytime, from fights between gangs to rape and robbery.

[AgnesIO]

If you live in a violent and poor neighborhood, the same places where gangs and cartels are, anything can happen anytime, from fights between gangs to rape and robbery.

Well, then, at least we know that only 1,000,000 out of 319,000,000 American's require a gun. Lovely.

[FlyingJesus]

Jeannie sits up in her attic, curled around the butt of a loaded rifle, sweat streaming around the backs of her ears and into the nape of her muffler jacket. Who would have known that her pretty little town house at Sauk Rapids in Minnesota would be the next spot on the bloody trail of Juan Nava Valencia's war plan? If only Al Gore had given everyone more guns, all of this could have been over. Sipping her Sunny D through the same straw she used to snort six marijuanas just a few minutes ago, Jeannie reflects upon her life choices and wishes (not for the first time) that good old Ike Eisenhower had nuked the Commies when he had the chance. "God bless America", she whispers, as an eagle tears through the roof and exposes her to the Muslim satellite rays.

[lucaskf390]

Well, then, at least we know that only 1,000,000 out of 319,000,000 American's require a gun. Lovely.
The point of the ones that agree with guns is we must have the right to protect our life. Why do you think you can just take off that right? As I said, anything can happen anytime, the gun is your insurance and the reason to anyone trying to steal your house to think twice. If the stealer has a gun and you got nothing you don't even have a chance.

[AgnesIO]

The point of the ones that agree with guns is we must have the right to protect our life. Why do you think you can just take off that right? As I said, anything can happen anytime, the gun is your insurance and the reason to anyone trying to steal your house to think twice. If the stealer has a gun and you got nothing you don't even have a chance.

When are you going to face reality? As Obama says, in 10 years 74 people have died due to terrorism in your country. Gun violence in America has killed 8,300 in one year.

Guns are not protecting you, they are destroying America. The world has changed since the second amendment. It's time America changed with it.

[Thordenhime]

Let us hope that this attack is taking place in a state where the death penalty is actively operating so at least justice can be served.



No it won't.

What might make it stop is an investigation into cannabis and proscribed drugs which almost all of the shooters seem to be on. There's a lot of suspicion that the literal drugging of a nation (and it is happening here with violent attacks too) may have something to do with people being proscribed the likes of anti-depressants for years on end or the use of cannabis. In addition as to what might make shootings like this stop would be the end of "No gun zones" or "No conceal and carry" which is often where these attacks take place: of course by the time the Police arrive to a Gun-free zone to shoot the madman, the damage is already done.

Switzerland has lax gun laws like the US of A, but does not have the shootings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

It's a culture/drug problem.

Have you ever smoked weed before? It doesnt make people go on violent rampages if anything it mellows people out.

To move on to your other point the second amendment was great meal when they had muskets, but they have drones tanks and apache helicopters mate, I don't see an assault rifle being much help against them.

I'm pretty sure i've refuted your point about Obama a few times, but I'll do it again since you're so obsessed with calling him a moron,Infact I know I'll find a quote from a man you probably admire his name was Ronald Reagan http://i2.wp.com/samuel-warde.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Reagan.jpg?resize=500%2C308
http://40.media.tumblr.com/1b5ad3c42dd16e078229f00079f42ac0/tumblr_mlqdi0fql01rjk9cuo1_500.jpg

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003481641/Reagan-assault-weapons-ronald-gun-gun-contnrol-99164158600_xlarge.jpeg


Obama is only for taking away assault rifles.

[Ms.Aquamarine]

The point of the ones that agree with guns is we must have the right to protect our life. Why do you think you can just take off that right? As I said, anything can happen anytime, the gun is your insurance and the reason to anyone trying to steal your house to think twice. If the stealer has a gun and you got nothing you don't even have a chance.


When are you going to face reality? As Obama says, in 10 years 74 people have died due to terrorism in your country. Gun violence in America has killed 8,300 in one year.

Guns are not protecting you, they are destroying America. The world has changed since the second amendment. It's time America changed with it.

I can understand why there are Americans who feel the need to protect themselves and their family with a gun because there are so many people (probably even millions) in this nation who shouldn't own a gun, but are able to obtain 'em quite easily. The use of guns has saved many people, but it has also killed many more - intentionally and accidentally.

I used to believe though that if the UK could go without carrying guns around - then why not we, the United States of America, not able to do so? Well one - we do have the Constitution which is used in different situations, like some political arguments for example, to remind people that they have the right to bear arms and all that jazz. I'm not going to get into all that though lol. Anyways, what I also know now is that there are millions of people who own guns (many guns are not even registered) so it would be difficult (impossible even) to go track 'em and head to each household and ask for guns to be handed over.

I do wish we could have taken more action in the past to reduce innocent deaths caused by people using guns. I don't even like saying 'reduce' to be honest because it's just horrible when any innocent life is taken. I'd much rather say 'eliminate', but I've got to be realistic here. Besides, there will always be violence because there are people who do wish to intentionally cause harm to others with the use of other items, but the thing is - it can take one shot from a gun for a quick death. If you survive that gun shot and end up getting hit with one, two, three more bullets, etc - you're going to lose your life.

What's important though is to take (reasonable) action in now, the present, in order to keep more people safe in the future.

I feel weird saying the use of guns kill people when obviously it would take a loaded one with bullets to do so, but y'all know what I mean. :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

But America does have this problem. And unlike almost every Western civilised country on earth which doesn't have this problem, America has very lax gun laws. The second amendment was also made before the USA had the world's most powerful army, meaning that any dictator could destroy the entire population whether they have guns or not.

Skewed? Don't blame the British media for reporting about mass shootings, blame the American's for allowing them to happen. Oh, and as you are well aware, I spent a lot of time overseas. And it is reported just as much as it is in Britain.

And again, so-called "lax gun laws" (they're not actually lax by the way as anyone who knows the background checks etc you have to endure can tell you) aren't the cause as Switzerland to cite one example has lax laws yet doesn't have this problem. So you're targeting the wrong thing.

As for the Second Amendment, nice try but that doesn't wash. The Second Amendment is timeless (hence it cannot be removed) as the Founding Fathers knew that in the time of any nation there's always a risk of tyanny arising. No government, whether it has a powerful military or not, cannot survive an armed uprising of even quite a small percentage of the population. It's believed revolutions can occur even with under 10% of the population fighting against the government and government forces.


When are you going to face reality? As Obama says, in 10 years 74 people have died due to terrorism in your country. Gun violence in America has killed 8,300 in one year.

Guns are not protecting you, they are destroying America. The world has changed since the second amendment. It's time America changed with it.

The numbers killed by guns are tiny compared with other things such as car deaths, tobacco deaths and so on. In addition to this, of those killed by guns a large number will be gang related violence (good riddance) and criminals breaking in and threatening people's property/lives.


To move on to your other point the second amendment was great meal when they had muskets, but they have drones tanks and apache helicopters mate, I don't see an assault rifle being much help against them.

Guns and people can still overthrow the most sophisicated military equipment.

The Saudi Government has the most sophisticated weapons yet that still doesn't make the House of Saud immune to being overthrown tomorrow. As we have seen before with the Iranian Revolution in 1979 with the overthrow of the Shah, the French revolution and the overthrow of the Bourbons, the American revolution and the overthrow of the most powerful world power by a few colonies: the British Empire. Other examples would include the Fall of South Vietnam in the 1970s, the overthrow of the Mubarak government in Egypt, the overthrow of the Soviet Union in Eastern Europe in the 1990s and so on and so on and so on.


I'm pretty sure i've refuted your point about Obama a few times

You seen to be under the illusion that I am a supporter of the GOP.

[Thordenhime]

And again, so-called "lax gun laws" (they're not actually lax by the way as anyone who knows the background checks etc you have to endure can tell you) aren't the cause as Switzerland to cite one example has lax laws yet doesn't have this problem. So you're targeting the wrong thing.

As for the Second Amendment, nice try but that doesn't wash. The Second Amendment is timeless (hence it cannot be removed) as the Founding Fathers knew that in the time of any nation there's always a risk of tyanny arising. No government, whether it has a powerful military or not, cannot survive an armed uprising of even quite a small percentage of the population. It's believed revolutions can occur even with under 10% of the population fighting against the government and government forces.



The numbers killed by guns are tiny compared with other things such as car deaths, tobacco deaths and so on. In addition to this, of those killed by guns a large number will be gang related violence (good riddance) and criminals breaking in and threatening people's property/lives.



Guns and people can still overthrow the most sophisicated military equipment.

The Saudi Government has the most sophisticated weapons yet that still doesn't make the House of Saud immune to being overthrown tomorrow. As we have seen before with the Iranian Revolution in 1979 with the overthrow of the Shah, the French revolution and the overthrow of the Bourbons, the American revolution and the overthrow of the most powerful world power by a few colonies: the British Empire. Other examples would include the Fall of South Vietnam in the 1970s, the overthrow of the Mubarak government in Egypt, the overthrow of the Soviet Union in Eastern Europe in the 1990s and so on and so on and so on.



You seen to be under the illusion that I am a supporter of the GOP.

I like how you casually glazed over my cannabis point.

What do you mean you cant change the second amendment ....its called an amendment.

[FlyingJesus]

And again, so-called "lax gun laws" (they're not actually lax by the way as anyone who knows the background checks etc you have to endure can tell you) aren't the cause as Switzerland to cite one example has lax laws yet doesn't have this problem. So you're targeting the wrong thing.

Setting aside the fact that Switzerland does in fact have a huge gun homicide rate (http://www.vox.com/2015/8/24/9183525/gun-violence-statistics) (as I showed you before, but you decided to completely ignore my post because it proved you wrong on all points and you don't respond well to facts) it's still an entirely logical response to want to remove the methods of violence while the underlying problems are worked on. If a child throws stones at your window you don't tell them no and then give them a bag of pebbles.


As for the Second Amendment, nice try but that doesn't wash. The Second Amendment is timeless (hence it cannot be removed) as the Founding Fathers knew that in the time of any nation there's always a risk of tyanny arising. No government, whether it has a powerful military or not, cannot survive an armed uprising of even quite a small percentage of the population. It's believed revolutions can occur even with under 10% of the population fighting against the government and government forces.

I thought you were in favour of flexible constitutions that aren't entrenched in the ideals of people who've never known a population's current situation? That's pretty much your entire argument for getting Britain out of Europe, and yet you seem to worship the way the US operates here. Either your views are all over the place (surely not) or you agree that "different strokes for different folks" works out, in which case you have to concede that bringing up Switzerland is a completely moot point.


The numbers killed by guns are tiny compared with other things such as car deaths, tobacco deaths and so on. In addition to this, of those killed by guns a large number will be gang related violence (good riddance) and criminals breaking in and threatening people's property/lives.

It is SHOCKINGLY possible to care about more than one issue at a time. As you were showed before (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=830129&p=8418583#post8418583), no matter how vehemently you deny it by putting your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes, there is a mass shooting in the United States at a rate of nearly one a day. Pointing to other causes of death does nothing to this figure.


Guns and people can still overthrow the most sophisicated military equipment.

The Saudi Government has the most sophisticated weapons yet that still doesn't make the House of Saud immune to being overthrown tomorrow. As we have seen before with the Iranian Revolution in 1979 with the overthrow of the Shah, the French revolution and the overthrow of the Bourbons, the American revolution and the overthrow of the most powerful world power by a few colonies: the British Empire. Other examples would include the Fall of South Vietnam in the 1970s, the overthrow of the Mubarak government in Egypt, the overthrow of the Soviet Union in Eastern Europe in the 1990s and so on and so on and so on.

Congratulations, you've just listed a bunch of military coups headed by people within the system at high levels :P

[scottish]

Another shooting, although not mass.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34450841

[peteyt]

Late posting here but would like to point out that while we have gun crimes in the UK it seems School shootings are very common in the US. I'm not saying fully ban them, but the easier it is to get them the more people at risk. I read earlier about a kid shooting another kid of very young age.

[scottish]

Late posting here but would like to point out that while we have gun crimes in the UK it seems School shootings are very common in the US. I'm not saying fully ban them, but the easier it is to get them the more people at risk. I read earlier about a kid shooting another kid of very young age.

Post above

[peteyt]

Post above
Yeah just seen it. It show's that gun crime is a problem in the US. If a child that age can get hold of a gun you know it's a problem.