The Independent and Independent on Sunday newspapers to cease printing

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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/12/independent-newspaper-goes-online-only-after-tying-its-flag-to-the-mast-of-the-islamophobia-industry/

The Independent and Independent on Sunday newspapers to cease printing


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The Independent newspaper, a standard bearer for Britain’s left-wing media establishment for 29 years, has announced that it will close its print section and go “online only” from March 2016.

The owners of the Independent and the Independent on Sunday, ESI Media, have confirmed that they will cease printing operations for the papers in March. They are currently in talks with Johnson Press to sell sister-publication i for £24 million.

ESI Media owner Evgeny Lebedev confirmed the changes in a letter to employees writing: “I can now confirm we are selling The Independent’s sister paper, i, to Johnston Press, subject to Johnston Press shareholder approval.

The newspaper is renowned for its heavily left-wing slant, often using its front pages to promote the euro currency, climate change, and radical feminism.


Great news to wake up to this morning.

Yes my dears there's only a limited market if you read to write how evil Britain is, how white people are bad and how immigration is absolutely wonderful and that market - students, the BBC offices and Islington in London - isn't enough to sustain a national newspaper. So it's curtains for the Indy.

It won't be long now before the print of the Guardian follows too because it too also fails to sell very many copies at all and ironically is only being kept afloat with some interesting tax arrangements in the Cayman Islands. You know, the same kind tax arrangements it criticises everybody else over not paying whilst campaigning for higher spending and higher taxes on businesses and people who are successful.

Always makes me laugh on current affairs programmes when people go "THE RIGHT WING PRESS" well there's a left wing press but nobody buying it.

Thoughts?

[Thordenhime]

Must be hard to keep running when your not in bed with the conservatives or ukip like the sun and daily express are.

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Must be hard to keep running when your not in bed with the conservatives or ukip like the sun and daily express are.

Didn't The Sun endorse Labour 1997 to 2005?

Don't The Sun and Daily Express sell millions of copies?

To be witty you have to say something that is grounded in fact not something you thought of after having one WKD xx

[Thordenhime]

Didn't The Sun endorse Labour 1997 to 2005?

Don't The Sun and Daily Express sell millions of copies?

To be witty you have to say something that is grounded in fact not something you thought of after having one WKD xx

Yeah because the owner of the express didnt sponser UKIPS election campaign at all did he?

And do I really need to talk about Rupert Murdoch and David Cameron being best mates..lmaoo

The fact that the sun endorsed the labour party from 1997 to 2005 says more about tony blair being a red tory than it does about the sun.

And the sensationalist headlines from the daily express and the sun help sell papers trash like
''MUSLIMS WILL CONVERT YOUR CAT TO ISLAM AND MAKE IT WEAR A HIJAB''

''MUSLIMS WANT TO BEHEAD ALL PIG FARMERS''

''IMMIGRANTS STEAL POLICEMANS HELMET AND DEFECATES IN IT,AND WANT YOUR BENEFITS!''

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Yeah because the owner of the express didnt sponser UKIPS election campaign at all did he?

And do I really need to talk about Rupert Murdoch and David Cameron being best mates..lmaoo

The fact that the sun endorsed the labour party from 1997 to 2005 says more about tony blair being a red tory than it does about the sun.

But despite all this which you say, they sell papers, and the Independent and Guardian do not.

Sales figures speak volumes about what people think. Funny how the papers which backed Labour are closing down. :D


And the sensationalist headlines from the daily express and the sun help sell papers trash like

The Guardian and Independent give platforms to pedophile supporters, terrorist sympathisers and communists.

[Thordenhime]

But despite all this which you say, they sell papers, and the Independent and Guardian do not.

Sales figures speak volumes about what people think. Funny how the papers which backed Labour are closing down. :D

The truth will always get out somehow so im not really that worried.

Not that your worried about the truth with the ridiculous posts you make on here.

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The truth will always get out somehow so im not really that worried.

Not that your worried about the truth with the ridiculous posts you make on here.

But my opinions are more aligned with the British public than you, as newspaper sales and polling shows.

I am pro-controlled immigration, the British public are.
I am strongly eurosceptic, the British public are.
I back selective education, a strong portion of the public do.
I back cutting state spending, a strong portion of the public do.
I strongly support the monarchy, as do the vast majority of the public.
I back the death penalty, around half of the population agree with me.
I am against pointless foreign adventures, the majority of the public agree with me.
I am against opening the borders of Britain to those from Syria and Iraq, the public agree with me.

Most stuff I post on here is mainstream public opinion which is why even Labour/the Conservatives pretend to support much of the above at election time.

[Thordenhime]

But my opinions are more aligned with the British public than you, as newspaper sales and polling shows.

I am pro-controlled immigration, the British public are.
I am strongly eurosceptic, the British public are.
I back selective education, a strong portion of the public do.
I back cutting state spending, a strong portion of the public do.
I am against pointless foreign adventures, the majority of the public agree with me.

Most of the stuff I post on here is mainstream public opinion which is why even Labour/the Conservatives pretend to support much of the above at election time.

The news is evolving there is more and more online presence these days I'm not worried about reading stuff from a newspaper, Reddit And Facebook is where i get most of my news from and multiple sources.

[The Don]

But my opinions are more aligned with the British public than you, as newspaper sales and polling shows.

I am pro-controlled immigration, the British public are.
I am strongly eurosceptic, the British public are.
I back selective education, a strong portion of the public do.
I back cutting state spending, a strong portion of the public do.
I strongly support the monarchy, as do the vast majority of the public.
I back the death penalty, around half of the population agree with me.
I am against pointless foreign adventures, the majority of the public agree with me.
I am against opening the borders of Britain to those from Syria and Iraq, the public agree with me.

Most stuff I post on here is mainstream public opinion which is why even Labour/the Conservatives pretend to support much of the above at election time.

Having a popular opinion doesn't validate it or make it any less ridiculous (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-public-wrong-about-nearly-everything-survey-shows-8697821.html

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Having a popular opinion doesn't validate it or make it any less ridiculous (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-public-wrong-about-nearly-everything-survey-shows-8697821.html

Ohhh yesss but the Independent is always right. That's why it is closing down.

[The Don]

Ohhh yesss but the Independent is always right. That's why it is closing down.

being economically profitable to stay open != being factual

you should take a beginners logic class

oh, and they didn't run the study themselves, they are reporting the results from a survey for the Royal Statistical Society and King's College London which makes your comment even more illogical

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being economically profitable to stay open != being factual

you should take a beginners logic class

oh, and they didn't run the study themselves, they are reporting the results from a survey for the Royal Statistical Society and King's College London which makes your comment even more illogical

I love how you actually believe the Independent is factual.

Next up from Akeam, Johann Hari is the journalist to read. He has all the facts.

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[The Don]

I love how you actually believe the Independent is factual.

Next up from Akeam, Johann Hari is the journalist to read. He has all the facts.

http://memesvault.com/wp-content/uploads/Laughing-Then-Crying-Gif-Tumblr-06.gif

Did you not read the part where the independent is merely reporting on an outside organisations findings? Add basic literacy to the list of classes you should take

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Did you not read the part where the independent is merely reporting on an outside organisations findings? Add basic literacy to the list of classes you should take

Yes you know best. You and the 50,000 odd other people who read the Independent and Guardian.

The rest of the country is just stupid and uneducated. No wonder you're such a fan of the EU with such an elite and holier than thou attitude. (http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-europe-s-nations-should-be-guided-towards-the-superstate-without-their-people-understanding-jean-monnet-65-21-57.jpg)

Anyone who believes in controlled borders, national independence and lower state spending is just a knuckle dragging racist. Becuz a study sed so.

[The Don]

Yes you know best. You and the 50,000 odd other people who read the Independent and Guardian.

The rest of the country is just stupid and uneducated. No wonder you're such a fan of the EU with such an elite and holier than thou attitude. (http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-europe-s-nations-should-be-guided-towards-the-superstate-without-their-people-understanding-jean-monnet-65-21-57.jpg)

Anyone who believes in controlled borders, national independence and lower state spending is just a knuckle dragging racist. Becuz a study sed so.

Nope, I don't know best, i'm just pointing out that polling has found the average citizen to be misinformed about current affairs, and that the independent polling body Ipsos Mori is not the same thing as the independent newspaper.

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Oh the irony. You said this previously about the same polling body that carried out the one I posted:


I am sure I have told you this before, but here it goes again - when a poll says YouGov/The Sun or Survation/The Guardian it doesn't mean that the poll was exclusively of Sun or Guardian readers. All the Pollster/Newspaper thing means is who carried out the poll and who commissioned the poll. The poll itself is free of newspaper bias and is as scientific as any other poll carried out.

So this isn't a poll of Sun readers just as an Observer/Survation poll isn't a poll of Observer readers.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=794190&p=8086551#post8086551

If you're going to be wrong at least try and be consistent.

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The Don; what on earth are you on about. i'm on about your attitude not a specific poll

you came back with "ridiculous opinions" to what i posted when they're normal opinions. it's one thing disagreeing with people but calling a mainstream view of half the population of more ridiculous? and then posting polls on how wrong the public always are ohhhhh darling aren't you a special snowflake. only YOU can be right. ever.

whenever someone starts questioning the intelligence of the public rather than debating the issue it's a clear sign they've lost. it's sooo university student.

i'm sure you've done it before quoting studies from left wing academics showing that X who support Y argument are all stupid. way to win the public over m8.

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The Don; what on earth are you on about. i'm on about your attitude not a specific poll

you came back with "ridiculous opinions" to what i posted when they're normal opinions. it's one thing disagreeing with people but calling a mainstream view of half the population of more ridiculous? and then posting polls on how wrong the public always are ohhhhh darling aren't you a special snowflake. only YOU can be right. ever.

whenever someone starts questioning the intelligence of the public rather than debating the issue it's a clear sign they've lost. it's sooo university student.

i'm sure you've done it before quoting studies from left wing academics showing that X who support Y argument are all stupid. way to win the public over m8.

whenever someone starts using popularity as a justification for their argument then they've already lost, gg

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whenever someone starts using popularity as a justification for their argument then they've already lost, gg

Popularity can be an indicator of common sense hence why there are so many intelligent yet immensely stupid politicians and academics. Theory vs real world.

I never call sections of the public stupid for disagreement with me. I do use popularity as a justification though, cos like that thing called democracy.

[The Don]

Popularity can be an indicator of common sense hence why there are so many intelligent yet immensely stupid politicians and academics. Theory vs real world.

I never call sections of the public stupid for disagreement with me. I do use popularity as a justification though, cos like that thing called democracy.

common sense when they are often misinformed as per the link I provided?

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But despite all this which you say, they sell papers, and the Independent and Guardian do not.

Sales figures speak volumes about what people think. Funny how the papers which backed Labour are closing down. :D



The Guardian and Independent give platforms to pedophile supporters, terrorist sympathisers and communists.

Do you know why the Daily Mail and The Sun sells papers? Because the language is so dumbed down it is ideal for those who do not wish to use their brains and ideal for those wish to read what they want to read, not the actual facts. FYI - Daily Mail figures have dropped from 2,120,347 in 2010 to 1,437,541 (current). Daily Mail has lost over 250,000 readers in the last year (whereas Independent has only lost 130,883) - this itself speaks volumes on the British peoples opinion of your beloved paper. All newspapers have lost a large percentage of subscriptions over the last 5 years as digital reading is becoming more preferable for people. The only reason Independent is moving to fully digital is because it started off with low figures and the drop (which all newspapers have suffered) in subscriptions is no longer sustainable to carry on printing.

It won't be long till all newspapers go 100% digital - some will take longer than others but over time they will all do this. I'd like to know where the Gurdian and Independent have shown sympathy for terrorists or pedophiles?


But my opinions are more aligned with the British public than you, as newspaper sales and polling shows.

I am pro-controlled immigration, the British public are.
I am strongly eurosceptic, the British public are.
I back selective education, a strong portion of the public do.
I back cutting state spending, a strong portion of the public do.
I strongly support the monarchy, as do the vast majority of the public.
I back the death penalty, around half of the population agree with me.
I am against pointless foreign adventures, the majority of the public agree with me.
I am against opening the borders of Britain to those from Syria and Iraq, the public agree with me.

Most stuff I post on here is mainstream public opinion which is why even Labour/the Conservatives pretend to support much of the above at election time.

If your opinion was truly the opinion of the majority of British public then we would have a totally different political party in power right now. The surveys/polling are rarely correct - the last general election is the perfect example of this. The EU vote will also prove this.


Ohhh yesss but the Independent is always right. That's why it is closing down.

It isn't closing down, it is moving online. Oh gosh, you speak just like your crappy Daily Mail paper - a news paper where almost every online article has spelling mistakes.

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It goes to show how out of touch you are when you write bitter paragraphs below basically calling the public stupid because they disagree with you. It is very noticeable that when people such as yourself lose arguments or even elections, you'll resort to calling people stupid for the mere act of disagreement with you rather than analysing your own opinions or your own tactics when it comes to debate and reason. We've seen it before numerous times on the left with the prime example of Gordon Brown calling a loyal Labour voter a 'bigot' when the cameras were away for simply bringing up an issue of importance to him. How dare she! The stupid oik! Don't the peasant working classes know what is best for them!?

The attitude stinks. Drop it. I bet you believe, like Akeam, that the public are too stupid to vote on the EU too?


Do you know why the Daily Mail and The Sun sells papers? Because the language is so dumbed down it is ideal for those who do not wish to use their brains and ideal for those wish to read what they want to read, not the actual facts. FYI - Daily Mail figures have dropped from 2,120,347 in 2010 to 1,437,541 (current). Daily Mail has lost over 250,000 readers in the last year (whereas Independent has only lost 130,883) - this itself speaks volumes on the British peoples opinion of your beloved paper. All newspapers have lost a large percentage of subscriptions over the last 5 years as digital reading is becoming more preferable for people. The only reason Independent is moving to fully digital is because it started off with low figures and the drop (which all newspapers have suffered) in subscriptions is no longer sustainable to carry on printing.

I have no idea why you refer to the Daily Mail as my beloved paper when you actually have no idea what my opinion on the Daily Mail is because I don't believe I have told you. Again you're assuming what I think rather than what I actually think. The ills and positives of the Daily Mail and others aside, I am still very happy that newspaper like the Independent which like to think of themselves as really really clever (like you basically calling the population dumbed down just because they read a newspaper you disagree with) is failing to sell. Articles on how immigration is just wonderful, the EU is amazing and how white people are racist just doesn't sell outside university/the BBC. I know that might come as a shock to you but try talking to some normal working people out there sometime.

On the numbers, they've been steadying for most newspapers now for a while (the drops are not as they were a few years ago) which suggests papers such as The Sun and the Daily Mail will be around for a lot longer. Even papers such as The Spectator which have little publicity and small readerships are countering the trend downwards. Can't say the same for the Independent and Guardian though. One already down, one more to go. :D


It won't be long till all newspapers go 100% digital - some will take longer than others but over time they will all do this. I'd like to know where the Gurdian and Independent have shown sympathy for terrorists or pedophiles?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/aug/19/terrorism-miliband-taliban-anc
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/05/racist-racism-racially-white-ethnic-minorities
http://www.theguardian.com/comment/story/0,3604,530504,00.html

I could go on, but the themes are a constant white people=bad, islam=great, christianity=bad, immigration=great, complaints about immigration=racist, daily mail=for stupid people, tax dodgers=bad (although guilty of it ourselves), unpaid internships=bad (although guilty ourselves), wealthy people=bad (although likes of Polly Toynbee have a Tuscan villa). It goes on and on and on. The stench of hypocrisy and hatred for everything decent in this country and western society is appalling. It stinks to high heaven, and that is why nobody reads it other than students, BBC staff and people living in north London.

You may think of yourself as cleverer than everybody else for reading it but the reality is you are just out of touch, not clever.


If your opinion was truly the opinion of the majority of British public then we would have a totally different political party in power right now. The surveys/polling are rarely correct - the last general election is the perfect example of this. The EU vote will also prove this.

No smart arse, voting is a tribal act for most of the public. It has been shown in study after study that in Labour areas, especially poorer and in the north for example, right-wing ideas such as the death penalty, tightening immigration and tough criminal justice and punishment are far more popular than in middle class Tory areas in the shires. Yet areas like mine vote Labour in amazing numbers. It is purely tribal, see the changeover in Scotland of how a sudden change can result in a tribal party being overthrown in one night after decades of loyalty.

In any case, the last election had the supposed right wing parties win over 50% of the vote (Conservative+Ukip+DUP).


It isn't closing down, it is moving online. Oh gosh, you speak just like your crappy Daily Mail paper - a news paper where almost every online article has spelling mistakes.

It basically is. It will struggle to hold on to staff and do investigative stories on just online revenue.

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It goes to show how out of touch you are when you write bitter paragraphs below basically calling the public stupid because they disagree with you.

Please quote me where i have called the public stupid for disagreeing with me? Are you on drugs or just deluded and seeing things which do not exist?


I have no idea why you refer to the Daily Mail as my beloved paper when you actually have no idea what my opinion on the Daily Mail is

And what makes you think I love the Guradian or Independent? I am not the one who quotes the Daily Mail all the time.


On the numbers, they've been steadying for most newspapers now for a while (the drops are not as they were a few years ago) which suggests papers such as The Sun and the Daily Mail will be around for a lot longer.

Again, this quote shows you make up numbers in your head. Daily Mail has lost 251,186 subscriptions in the last year. Steadying? Do you not know the meaning of steadying?



http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/aug/19/terrorism-miliband-taliban-anc
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/05/racist-racism-racially-white-ethnic-minorities
http://www.theguardian.com/comment/story/0,3604,530504,00.html


I think you have jumped to a conclusion based on the titles alone - I do not believe you have actually read the articles.



daily mail=for stupid people

I'm glad you agree. ;)

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Please quote me where i have called the public stupid for disagreeing with me? Are you on drugs or just deluded and seeing things which do not exist?

"Do you know why the Daily Mail and The Sun sells papers? Because the language is so dumbed down it is ideal for those who do not wish to use their brains and ideal for those wish to read what they want to read, not the actual facts."


And what makes you think I love the Guradian or Independent? I am not the one who quotes the Daily Mail all the time.

Ans to Q1: Because you appear to think they are true bastions of truth among newspapers hence this debate.
Ans to Q2: I rarely quote from the Daily Mail. Infact you'd be hard pressed to see the last time I quoted it even for a story.


Again, this quote shows you make up numbers in your head. Daily Mail has lost 251,186 subscriptions in the last year. Steadying? Do you not know the meaning of steadying?

Look at the numbers of the past decade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom_by_circul ation

The Guardian and The Independent have lost as a % much more than titles like the Mail, Mirror and The Sun have.


I think you have jumped to a conclusion based on the titles alone - I do not believe you have actually read the articles.

Oh so you agree with lowering the age of consent to 14 and that terrorism can be justified?

Then that explains why you like the Guardian newspaper. But don't assume your tastes and thoughts to be those of the nation as a whole, that's all.


I'm glad you agree. ;)

It says a lot about the difference between you and I in character & the sides we stand on when I refuse to ever say X will for sure happen in the referendum/election (arrogance) and that people who read a different paper to you are stupid (which I would never ever say). Why insult the public?

You'll see for example when the referendum results are announced. That night if Leave win I will be greatly pleased but I will be humble & won't wish to rub anybody's noses in it because there's such a thing as being a ungracious victor. You and some others on the other hand would love to crow.

[The Don]

On the numbers, they've been steadying for most newspapers now for a while (the drops are not as they were a few years ago) which suggests papers such as The Sun and the Daily Mail will be around for a lot longer.


Again, this quote shows you make up numbers in your head. Daily Mail has lost 251,186 subscriptions in the last year. Steadying? Do you not know the meaning of steadying?



Look at the numbers of the past decade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom_by_circul ation

The Guardian and The Independent have lost as a % much more than titles like the Mail, Mirror and The Sun have.

Ah, yes! The numbers have been steadying over the past few years...

https://i.imgur.com/sWHjy8O.jpg

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Tehehehe!! giggle giggle The Don; :rolleyes:

Nobody denies all papers have had it rough and face a battle ahead. But the Mail is top/second top best-seller near 2 million copies.

Meanwhile the Independent and Guardian are either ceasing to print or are the lowest on that table. The figures say it all.