New five pound note: Not suitable for vegetarians

[xxMATTGxx]

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The UK's new fiver has won many fans since it was launched in September.

It's tough. It doesn't tear. You can spill beer on it, put it through the washing machine and it will survive to buy another round.

But one thing it turns out it's not, is fat-free.

Because it turns out the plastic polymer it's made from also contains small amounts of tallow, derived from animal waste products - and some vegetarians are not happy.

Familiar to previous generations as the base for every day staples such as soap and candles, tallow is traditionally derived from beef or mutton (but sometimes pork) at the slaughterhouse or later in the food production process.

'Essence of bacon'

Vegans and vegetarians faced with this revelation have taken to social media to voice their concern and over 5,000 people have signed a petition calling for the contents of the notes to be changed.

"We demand that you cease to use animal products in the production of currency that we have to use," the petition reads.

On Twitter annoyed vegetarians and vegans have said it's "not cool" and "disgusting" and asking whether their rights have been considered.

However others have responded with rather more tongue-in-cheek approach, suggesting an "essence of bacon" is desirable in the UK's currency, speculating how many calories a fiver now contains and offering to relieve any affronted vegetarians of their unwanted notes.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38144598


Seems to be kicking off on social media about this at the moment. So what are peoples thoughts?

[-:Undertaker:-]

A veggie-student nut on my Facebook was going on about this.

A lot of things in life are made using animal fat. Get over it.

[FlyingJesus]

They don't seem to mind about the billions of insects killed for their soy beans and cotton, bunch of hypocrites who only care if the animals are cute

[Zak]

you're not supposed to eat them

i joke ofc

[Elegance]

-:Undertaker:-; animal fat is used in a lot of things but it doesn't make it okay
FlyingJesus; it's impossible to be 100% vegan and those who choose the lifestyle are aware of that as veganism is about making the best effort where it is possible and practical to exclude the cruelty and exploitation of sentient beings, a lot of vegan activists to talk about how insects are just as important and raise awareness to the killing of insects but the fact is that using tallow in these notes is just pointless really and could've been easily avoided without the exploitation on such a wide scale and it's been put in something as necessary as money

[Joe]

I'm in the mindset of that I don't really care, but maybe they should've come out first and said something in their announcement and people would've still been pissed off but got over it a lock quicker than they did now. Same thing though - it's quite a strange thing to have.

[-:Undertaker:-]

animal fat is used in a lot of things but it doesn't make it okay

what do you mean by 'okay'

virtually all parts of animals slaughtered are used in some way or other in quite genius ways meaning little waste. mankind has been incredibly resourceful in using all the parts to make food, clothing, greases, oils and all sorts. it's fantastic.


1. Beer
Guinness contains Isinglass, a chemical found in fish bladders. Isinglass gathers stray yeast cells during the fermenting process and solidifies them into a mass which settles on the bottom of the barrel for removal.

2. Perfume
Some scents, especially those that smell like vanilla, list castoreum as an ingredient. Castoreum comes from beavers' castor sacs — a gland located between the animal's pelvis and the base of its tail.

Also used as a flavor, "Fernelli's Handbook of Flavor Ingredients" lists the byproduct as an ingredient in frozen dairy, gelatins, puddings, and nonalcoholic beverages.

3. Plastic bags
Many plastics, like commercial shopping bags, contain chemicals often referred to as "slip agents," which are derived from the stearic acid in animal fat. They essentially prevent the polymers from sticking to metals during manufacturing and clinging to each other afterward. Some bike tires also contain these elements.

4. Downy
Downy, the detergent endorsed by the snuggly child, contains dihydrogenated tallow dimethyl ammonium chloride — or a derivative of rendered cattle, sheep, and horse fat mixed with ammonium. This process creates a quaternary ammonium compound, or a quat, which basically coats your clothes in lipids, making them feel soft.

5. Sugar
The refining processes for both white and brown sugar often use bone char, a granular material from animal ashes. It gives sugar its white color.

6. Condoms
Traditionally, condom production has included the addition of casein, a protein found in animal milk, which acts as a lubricant. Some brands, like GLYDE, however, have gone vegan.

7. Nail polish
Shimmery cosmetics, like nail polish or lipstick, contain guanine (sometimes listed as "pearl essence"), one of the four base components of RNA and DNA. Companies obtain it from fish (notably, herring) scales.

8. Crayons
As part of the rendering industry, which disposes of otherwise unused animal waste, the creation of crayons often includes animal fat, according to a 2004 Congressional report.

Paraffin is the main ingredient in the most popular crayons, but not many would expect mammalian byproducts in children's art supplies.

9. Cake mixes
Cake mixes sometimes contain beef fat, according to Ann Byrn's book, "The Cake Mix Doctor." Many call for oil or shortening while others just add dehydrated versions of these to minimize the additional ingredients required. Hostess, a confectionery company which recently went under new management, also puts beef fat in their famous cupcakes.

10. Red candy
Red cochineal beetles, when dried and crushed, produce a powder called carmine, which is used as an all-encompassing dye in red foods like candy, ice cream, and yogurt. Though it previously slipped under the radar as "artificial coloring," the FDA has required manufacturers to explicitly list carmine on food labels since early 2011.

Edible shellac, also known as confectioner's glaze, coats most hard, shiny candy, with the notable exception of M&Ms. It's made from the excretions of female lac bugs (Kerria lacca).

11. Some orange juice
Many companies now supplement orange juice with Omega-3 fatty acids, found in fish. Such ingredients are broadly defined as "neutraceuticals," or food-derived additives that are meant to increase consumer health.

12. Bagels
L-cysteine, a chemical in bread products, is made mostly from bird feathers with some human and hog hair mixed in. While companies can make synthetic L-cys (for short), it's an expensive process. Most of the industrially used chemical is extracted from animals and used in products like bagels and Lunchables, according to Mother Jones.

13. Cigarettes
Hemoglobin derived from pig's blood is — or at least once was — included in some cigarette filters.

quite frankly anyone who has some sort of moral objection to using animals is wishing for a world that has never existed.

[wixard]

jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk

we're more superior than u

Edited by Catchy (Trialist Forum Moderator): Please don't make pointless posts.

[Elegance]

what do you mean by 'okay'

virtually all parts of animals slaughtered are used in some way or other in quite genius ways meaning little waste. mankind has been incredibly resourceful in using all the parts to make food, clothing, greases, oils and all sorts. it's fantastic.



quite frankly anyone who has some sort of moral objection to using animals is wishing for a world that has never existed.

i mean it's not okay in the sense that the use of animal fats isn't something someone should be told to just 'get over'

i wouldn't call the process of slaughter 'genius' in the slighest, there are alternatives for all of the things you listed which can be achieved without the exploitation and involvement of animals

refer to my response to fj :)

[Catchy]

this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read, so you telling me they've never sat on a leather sofa???

[dbgtz]

what do you mean by 'okay'

virtually all parts of animals slaughtered are used in some way or other in quite genius ways meaning little waste. mankind has been incredibly resourceful in using all the parts to make food, clothing, greases, oils and all sorts. it's fantastic.



quite frankly anyone who has some sort of moral objection to using animals is wishing for a world that has never existed.

Guinness is actually moving, or has moved, away from using fish bladder so that's only 12!

It is weird to see what goes in what
don't care all that much personally
animals died for my right to habbo

[FlyingJesus]

to exclude the cruelty and exploitation of sentient beings

But depending on your definition of sentience either nothing non-human is or everything that lives is, including plants and fungi


jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk

we're more superior than u

Please avoid pointless posting - Catchy

Why have you recently decided that having informed opinions on anything is bad I don't understand the bitterness

[wixard]

it's not about the opinion, it's more so the fact a thread is created and everyone flocks to stroke one another's ego about how THEIR opinion is obviously the right one and everyone else are morons

it's not me suddenly deciding, it's me watching it go on for months

[Alkaz]

I get why they may be upset but they aren't about to recall 400 million new notes to reprint them. Maybe though they can make the changes when they start printing the new £10 notes.

[-:Undertaker:-]

it's not about the opinion, it's more so the fact a thread is created and everyone flocks to stroke one another's ego about how THEIR opinion is obviously the right one and everyone else are morons

it's not me suddenly deciding, it's me watching it go on for months

who is stroking one anothers ego

name them in this thread please

[wixard]

Read it again I didn't specifically say this thread? I said that's what's been happening on the forum lately. In this thread both you and FJ state your opinion whilst putting down an entire group of people who have a differing opinion. It's so negative and exhausting to read.

It's a needless use of animal product but the deed has been done. It should have been stated from the start

[FlyingJesus]

That is literally exactly what you've just done without even stating an opinion of your own, you just went on the attack with no other motive for your post

[-:Undertaker:-]

wixard;

oh give over. you're just irked that the forum now has some diversity of opinion which isn't afraid to show itself anymore when previously many members didn't feel like posting because of howls of racism, xenophobe the the rest of the victim 'isms' when anything went against the trendy jerk fest opinion. ya just gonna have to realise and accept that this isn't hffm and we all have different views.

and on the actual topic which me and Tom were actually discussing that's rather silly. animal product, as pointed out, is used in numerous things and it isn't the Bank of England's concern or role to pander to every minority with a grievance out there.

[abc]

I am a vegetarian and I really do not care. If they can avoid killing animals or using animals to make it, then great.

Some people will moan about almost anything.

[lemons]

in my opinion i think for something such as money that everybody uses then ppl deserve to know if even a trace of animal is in it

i read somewhere that it only take half a cow to produce all the fivers made so far

[abc]

in my opinion i think for something such as money that everybody uses then ppl deserve to know if even a trace of animal is in it

But why? do you know what material is used to make your credit card, or clothing or toothbrush or plane seat or car seat?

[FlyingJesus]

Plastic is made of dead animals just like any other petrochemical substance

[-:Undertaker:-]

Plastic is made of dead animals just like any other petrochemical substance

This offends me as a vegan transgender hipster Native American-Indo-Chinese hybrid alien agnostic-athiest German engineer who vapes fairtrade organic decaffeinated compressed and hydrated extra protein soy breast milk on the regular and does Hindi Kama Sutra naked crossfit yoga 5 times a week. I'm also a non binary trigender male feminist and identify myself as a pastafarian pansexual gender fluid Apache helicopter dog of mega multi alpha beta gamma delta omega combo god of hyper death who's in a polygamous polyamorous relationship with a chihuahua which helped me cross the border of Mexico because it hates Donald Trump. My dog walks me to the park and doggystyle's me. If you find that weird you're an ignorant arrogant homophobic gender assuming globaphobic bloodthirsty gun loving cisgender pansexual bestiary sexist racist incestuous white privileged misogynistic biased objectified raped Nazi slave owner terrorist.

[Empired]

Dan stop using logical fallacy to invalidate a perfectly reasonable argument. You do it all the time and it's boring as fuck because it ruins any "debate".

So first of all I don't think it matters that theres traces of animals in the new fivers and I definitely don't think they should be changed and those who are kicking up that much of a fuss are going to have to learn to live with it.

But oh my god I'm sick of seeing you get all smug about how finally the forum is beginning to support you and move away from the tumblrina sjw liberal leftie arguments. By taking tara, rosie, etc.'s argument and immediately disregarding it because it's liberal is exactly the same as what you claim you're falling victim to all the time on the forum. Again, I don't particularly care about the subject at hand and don't really agree with rosie on this one but she still deserves to say what she says to say and it's still perfectly valid as this is a matter of opinion? Your hypocrisy irritates me. If you want to disagree with them then go for it, but stop passing everyone who disagrees with you off as a leftie and therefore deciding their opinion is invalid and bait them until they either give up or yell at you. It irritates me to watch.

Just my two cents.

[-:Undertaker:-]

@Empired (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=80588);

yes because i remember you running to my defence everytime i was in the (visible) minority being called a racist etc

in any case both me and Tom have been debating the issue with Rosie whereas you and Tara have contributed nothing to the discussion other than a jerk fest together on how you're now pissed when forum discussions don't go a certain way anymore.

there's my 52 cents.

[Empired]

Not at all, we've contributed our own opinions on what happens and actually mine happened to be fairly similar to yours (see my second paragraph above) just with what I perceive to be all the unnecessary aggressive bits taken out [emoji14]

Chill out dan. So what I disagree with you on some issues? Isn't that what makes the world a more interesting place? If you think you've been victimised because of your opinions and now believe you're in the majority on the forum, be the bigger man and kindly show people the light instead of treating them how you perceive you were treated!

[-:Undertaker:-]

@Empired (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=80588);

I think you're reading way too much into what was a joke I found directed at Tom tbh

haven't directed it at rosie i've debated her on the ins and outs of the animal fat in £ argument as has tom.

[Empired]

Whats this about rosie and tom? I didn't mention them in that post and only used rosie as an example in the one above.

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[lemons]

But why? do you know what material is used to make your credit card, or clothing or toothbrush or plane seat or car seat?
nope because I dont particularly care but there are people who will care and they deserve to know and if they choose not to use the new fivers then so be it doesnt have an impact on your life or mine

i find this outrage at veggies more of a non-issue than veggies themselves complaining

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oh gosh! where will i go for my steak now ffs?!

[wixard]

hahahahaha

because I don't like that the conversation isn't going the way I want it to? Complete bull shit

im happy to see differing views on the forum but I'm sick of your attitude and complete disregard for anyone's opinion but your own dan

i didnt provide any opinion besides the fact it's done now and people need to get on with it, it's not worth my time to offer anything other than a sentence because it falls of deaf ears

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And tom I didn't come in here and slate your opinion, it was about your shitty attitude so that makes no sense

[Zak]

Someone did the maths. Not sure on the accuracy.

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/a-very-precise-calculation-of-exactly-how-many-cows-are-being-murdered-for-the-new-fivers

As a farmer you can imagine how stupid I find this

[xxMATTGxx]

Looking at the maths of it, I don't see what the big fuss is after all.

[FlyingJesus]

Not sure how calmly making a valid point about the hypocrisy of a movement is having a shittier attitude than coming into a thread specifically to attack people

[buttons]

http://i.imgur.com/6VP0hBH.jpg


no offence just thought it funny x

[Gina]

Not sure how calmly making a valid point about the hypocrisy of a movement is having a shittier attitude than coming into a thread specifically to attack people

calm maybe but still rude


They don't seem to mind about the billions of insects killed for their soy beans and cotton, bunch of hypocrites who only care if the animals are cute
by saying that ure putting down any1 who is vegan? u knew for example rosie was reading the thread n obv had an opinion on it
saying that you dont agree and you think its silly or whatever is different to putting down any1 who is vegan saying theyre a "bunch of hypocrites" and "only care if animals are cute" Empired; went on to say she doesnt agree with it but didnt feel a need 2 go n put people down for it ? fair enough not agreeing som1 obviously every1 is entitled to their own opinion but you dont need to put someone elses down just to get yours across

wixard;

oh give over. you're just irked that the forum now has some diversity of opinion which isn't afraid to show itself anymore when previously many members didn't feel like posting because of howls of racism, xenophobe the the rest of the victim 'isms' when anything went against the trendy jerk fest opinion.
diversity of opinion lol cool but not when people dont respect other ppls opinion ??
i dont care about the £5 notes containing tallow but im not gonna sit n tell people to "get over it"

[FlyingJesus]

It IS hypocritical though, it's not rude to point out the flaws of an ideology

[-:Undertaker:-]

HAHAHA people getting upset at me saying "get over it" over animal fat in moneys after calling me all sorts for years

classic

[Gina]

HAHAHA people getting upset at me saying "get over it" over animal fat in moneys after calling me all sorts for years

classic
what have i called you
what

[-:Undertaker:-]

what have i called you
what

you just quoted me

[Gina]

you just quoted me

idgi

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yuxin; no i don't get it either

exhibit A


im happy to see differing views on the forum but I'm sick of your attitude and complete disregard for anyone's opinion but your own dan

come in here and slate your opinion, it was about your shitty attitude so that makes no sense

slates others 'disregard' but contributes nothing to topic and then hypocritically accuses other members of a shitty attitude lols

[Gina]

Yuxin; no i don't get it either

exhibit A



slates others 'disregard' but contributes nothing to topic and then hypocritically accuses other members of a shitty attitude lols
oh i thought u were talking bout me calling you names
i was confused my apologies

oh as for tara she put her reason in post before

i didnt provide any opinion besides the fact it's done now and people need to get on with it, it's not worth my time to offer anything other than a sentence because it falls of deaf ears

in fairness i understand wat u saying like ano she didnt put her opinion n only said wat she said !

i was jus confused as 2 why shes been put into it when u said bout people getting upset bout u sayin get over it
afaik i was only 1 who put that but dno ! im confused

i dnt like being in these threads they scare me am gna go now
WAS NICE CHATTING PEEPS x have nice discussions xxx pls dnt quote or i cry