President Trump signs Executive Order to begin US-Mexico Wall

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President Trump signs Executive Order to begin US-Mexico Wall

US President starts process of a border wall between US and Mexico and says Mexico will "completely pay for it"

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Absolutely fantastic. :usa:

Thus far in his Executive Orders he has also -



Ended funding for abortions overseas
Began process of rolling back Obamacare
Withdrawn US from signing the TPP
Ordered a freeze on federal government hiring
Approved the Dakota and Keystone oil pipelines


Being a businessman he actually seems to be capable of getting the job done and for the moment seems to be actually doing what he has promised. Like anyone in public office, keep an eye on him but he's really impressing me so far.

It's gonna be a bigly and beautiful wall!

Thoughts?

[abc]

Dow Jones at it's highest as trader bet Trump policies will boost economy.

He is like Prime Minister Modi. He keeps to his promises and does well which scares his opponents.

[nat965]

Better and cheaper to build a wall around the White House while he's in it :)

Anyway...
There are ways around a wall such as tunnels and boats that people can use to enter the US. If you really want to solve illegal immigration issues you have to punish the people who use illegal labor and punish so severely that the risks of getting caught outweigh the benefits, then if illegal immigrants can't find job opportunities in the US they will either try to become citizens or return to their country of origin. Though that comes with its drawbacks as most people won't do the jobs that migrant farm workers do for minimum wage. Not to mention the animals that migrate between the borders.

[FlyingJesus]

How is he gonna make Mexico pay for it

[scottish]

How is he gonna make Mexico pay for it

Give them a government grant

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How is he gonna make Mexico pay for it

Indirect taxation.

- Import duties
- Tariffs
- Border crossing charge
- Tourist levy

[FlyingJesus]

Well that isn't making them pay for the wall that's charging people more for things that already exist and then buying a wall himself :P unless he literally sets up a separate fund for it that only gets to use money from Mexico, which is more ridiculous than his hair

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FlyingJesus;

Looks like he's already announced.

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[peteyt]

I don't understand the whole war thing trump is basically wanting a wall but expecting mexico to pay for his idea. This will cause issues between both countries.

[FlyingJesus]

lol raising the prices for Americans on Mexican imports isn't getting Mexico to pay

[xxMATTGxx]

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UK PM Theresa May is first foreign leader to meet with US President Trump at the White House.

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Now what was that pre-Brexit from President Obama about back of the queue? :P

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Just now -

The President commenting on Churchill bust that Farage asked him to put back in the Oval Office. :)

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[lemons]

Theresa May has really shot herself in the foot by failing to condemn the Muslim ban (among other things). British people holding dual nationality are also being affected by this ban e.g.

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I still cannot believe this pig of a man is in power and causing so much destruction - when he visits the uk i'm sure there will be absolute scenes and inviting him for a state visit will definately damage support for theresa may/tories and even the queen. The crowds for his inaug were embarrassing so any public support for him here will be near to none! :D

This is going to be the worst ever presidency and I bet you 100% he will not even serve a full 4 year term if he carries on like this. People who voted for Trump will be ashamed when his time is up, hopefully sooner than later!

Make America Great Again? lol I literally would feel sick to be American rn

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Fantastic on the muslim ban from extremist countries. America FIRST that's how its gonna be x

Another pledge kept and he's only just started.

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You're delusional if you think we're ever returning to the cosy liberal consensus in either US, UK or Europe @lemons (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=104567);


when he visits the uk i'm sure there will be absolute scenes and inviting him for a state visit will definately damage support for theresa may/tories and even the queen. The crowds for his inaug were embarrassing so any public support for him here will be near to none!

When are all you bleeding hearts all gonna start marching against Muslim countries records on women's rights?

[lemons]

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In fact, an analysis of terrorist attacks on US soil between 1975 and 2015, published by the Cato Institute, found that foreign nationals from the seven countries singled out by Trump’s executive order have killed zero Americans.

The Muslim ban is nothing but scare tactics trying to please people with xenophobia like yourself -:Undertaker:-;

I'm very hopeful for the future :) Voting stats have showed that younger gens are more liberal so give it a few years and I'm sure social justice will be restored!

I'm not even mad about Brexit and I'm sure a success can be made out of it eventually but both Brexit and Trump's wins were narrow so let's not act like extreme right wing politics is here to stay for years to come

Theresa may just looks weak by failing to condemn what Trump is doing and I'm sure if Brexit wasn't around the corner she wouldn't have rushed to hold hands with him so quickly. If she continues the way she is then I won't be voting for her at the next general election like I was intending!

[Stephen]

haha i think it's hilarious
funny thing is he's doing what no politician ever does... he's doing what he said he'd do

like i agree you shouldn't let all these refugees in but he is going abit too far

[lemons]

funny thing is he's doing what no politician ever does... he's doing what he said he'd do


lol yes i'll give him that

[onceawinner]

Trump is a guy who means business no doubt and sure is leading the way with keeping his promises. The guy has talent no doubts

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@Stephen (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=36170); it is funny, it's like he's floored everyone and the media etc just don't have a clue how to respond


The Muslim ban is nothing but scare tactics trying to please people with xenophobia like yourself @-:Undertaker:- (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24233);

yeahhhh.. i don't know if you've noticed but the phobia stuff doesn't work anymore

truth is people can't STAND the sight of burkas and their areas being overwhelmed with foreigners. we've had enough!


I'm very hopeful for the future :) Voting stats have showed that younger gens are more liberal so give it a few years and I'm sure social justice will be restored!

exactly the same argument that said Trump couldn't win because of latino vote. Le Pen's strongest voting group is 18 to 25. white working classes in Britain and America are switching on masse to the right... no, i think we're just getting started.

your side wanted to play identity politics so now we're playing


I'm not even mad about Brexit and I'm sure a success can be made out of it eventually but both Brexit and Trump's wins were narrow so let's not act like extreme right wing politics is here to stay for years to come

Fact you think these opinions are extreme shows how out of touch you are

extreme to you but not to everybody else. alls that is happening is power is flowing to where it belongs: the majority.


Theresa may just looks weak by failing to condemn what Trump is doing and I'm sure if Brexit wasn't around the corner she wouldn't have rushed to hold hands with him so quickly. If she continues the way she is then I won't be voting for her at the next general election like I was intending!

you're very upset about Trump

why aren't you as upset over the total lack of women's rights in the islamic world? or the mass rape of Europeans by immigrants?



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i'm not upset by comments 10 years ago like grab her by the pussy.

i'm upset with the people letting terrorists+rapists into our countries.

[lemons]

You keep going on about women's rights in islamic countries but plz tell me how anything Trump is doing will help this?? What would YOU suggest? I'm sure if there was mass marches against this you would probably bash them as irrelevant like you did with the Womens March. Women's rights in islamic countries are terrible yes but there is only so much we can do as a western society to improve them.

and yes you're right! i am upset about trump and would feel even more upset if I were american - the division and hate the election has created (from both dems and repubs) is horrible to watch and I thought it was bad in the UK but nope

anyways it will be interesting to see what trump plans to do once he ends terrorism single handedly

also I think theresa may would be in more trouble rn if labour was actually functioning properly

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Women's rights in islamic countries are terrible yes but there is only so much we can do as a western society to improve them.

well you could stop importing people with those terrible views into our societies for a starter

[FlyingJesus]

Surely taking them out of their country of origin and into a place where they can't legally practice such beliefs would improve those countries *+*+*+*+*+*+

[AgnesIO]

@Stephen (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=36170); it is funny, it's like he's floored everyone and the media etc just don't have a clue how to respond



yeahhhh.. i don't know if you've noticed but the phobia stuff doesn't work anymore

truth is people can't STAND the sight of burkas and their areas being overwhelmed with foreigners. we've had enough!



exactly the same argument that said Trump couldn't win because of latino vote. Le Pen's strongest voting group is 18 to 25. white working classes in Britain and America are switching on masse to the right... no, i think we're just getting started.

your side wanted to play identity politics so now we're playing



Fact you think these opinions are extreme shows how out of touch you are

extreme to you but not to everybody else. alls that is happening is power is flowing to where it belongs: the majority.



you're very upset about Trump

why aren't you as upset over the total lack of women's rights in the islamic world? or the mass rape of Europeans by immigrants?



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i'm not upset by comments 10 years ago like grab her by the pussy.

i'm upset with the people letting terrorists+rapists into our countries.

pls enlighten me as to which "women's rights" in the "islamic world" are so problematic to you? Just curious, as you are happy for people to openly admit to sexual assault.

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pls enlighten me as to which "women's rights" in the "islamic world" are so problematic to you? Just curious, as you are happy for people to openly admit to sexual assault.

see, this sort of comment just highlights it

you equate a male saying 'grab by the pussy' to sexual assault and in the same breath ask me what is so problematic in the islamic world about women's rights

this kind of back to front thinking is why the pendulum is swinging back towards sanity.

[AgnesIO]

see, this sort of comment just highlights it

you equate a male saying 'grab by the pussy' to sexual assault and in the same breath ask me what is so problematic in the islamic world about women's rights

this kind of back to front thinking is why the pendulum is swinging back towards sanity.

His comments clearly suggested that he does/did do these actions. Unless he just happens to know what he can do, without ever having tested it (in which case he is just a liar, still hardly admirable). "I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. just Kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.".

That's exactly the attitude people like Jimmy Saville had. "I'm famous, I get away with it". And if they didn't give explicit consent? Yup, sexual assault.

Anyway, congratulations on doing your usual and completing avoiding my query. I'm not even remotely surprised, as you have a habit of refusing to debate when you're comments don't add up.

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@AgnesIO (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=36885); wow great detective work jessica fletcher

[FlyingJesus]

Are you suggesting that forcing a kiss on someone and grabbing their genitals isn't sexual assault

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Are you suggesting that forcing a kiss on someone and grabbing their genitals isn't sexual assault

well you obviously have all the evidence, know the victim so by all means go and present it to a court! go on

[FlyingJesus]

What are you on about victims for I'm talking about what he himself said he did/does

[AgnesIO]

@AgnesIO (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=36885); wow great detective work jessica fletcher

What a brilliant response from someone too dim to be able to produce an intelligent reply. Top effort, though, Sir.

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well you obviously have all the evidence, know the victim so by all means go and present it to a court! go on

for reference, I was also against the pointless bombing of these nations.

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still all going on about the tinpot conspiracy theory that Trump is a jimmy savile style pussy grabber

RATHER THAN addressing the actual issues of immigrant rape, jihadism. this is WHY trump is winning.

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hear hear. i don't wanna die on my knees at the hands of islamists in a threatre because some SJWs wanna be all nice to muslims.

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tell that to the dead French in the Bataclan or your own citizens being raped you lowlife bitch

[FlyingJesus]

But those aren't the issues in this thread, you've only just mentioned them. You can't change the subject (without responding properly to the points that have been raised as per) and then be annoyed that people haven't pre-empted it lol

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@FlyingJesus (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24753);

the issues in the thread aren't Trump talking about pussy but you lot felt the need to go on about it

the thread is about his executive order/s. the latest being BORDER SECURITY. please stick to the topic x

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muslim countries.

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here's a 'tolerant' liberal journalist

[FlyingJesus]

But it was you that changed the subject originally (https://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=839877&p=8501290#post8501290), and then every time you didn't have a real response

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so are you back onto executive orders/border security yet or do you wanna keep going off topic about grab her pussy comments

[FlyingJesus]

All I've done is respond to posts (like you're meant to), no need to pretend that any sort of derailing has occurred because of my replies to words that you've said

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so let's talk about the ban then

what's so bad about cracking down on border entry checks to countries which are terrorist infested hellholes

[FlyingJesus]

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We'll refer back to this then, since it's clear that security in terms of the countries who have actually caused trouble isn't the plan

[AgnesIO]

so are you back onto executive orders/border security yet or do you wanna keep going off topic about grab her pussy comments

At least when we make points we can back them up with evidence. You just spout rubbish with no actual proof or evidence of what you're saying. It's funny how people used to think you were intelligent. Maybe you could be a part of Trump's cabinet with "the highest ever IQ"?

I refer you back to my first query, about the post which you made ("derailing the thread" in your own words :) )

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We'll refer back to this then, since it's clear that security in terms of the countries who have actually caused trouble isn't the plan

I would actually extend the ban to those countries aswell, for example I think it is high time we confronted the Wahabbist sect within Saudi Arabia once and for all. However, the clear difference between those countries and the others is that they're functioning states we can do business with and the others are failed or outright hostile states. Saudi Arabia isn't Yemen.


At least when we make points we can back them up with evidence. You just spout rubbish with no actual proof or evidence of what you're saying. It's funny how people used to think you were intelligent. Maybe you could be a part of Trump's cabinet with "the highest ever IQ"?

I'm glad you've just realised I'm not intelligent because I have never made a claim to be clever and hate it when people assume/say both online and in real life that I am. If you must know, I consider myself actually pretty useless and a bit of a waste of space.


I refer you back to my first query, about the post which you made ("derailing the thread" in your own words :) )

The part about what parts of Middle Eastern attitudes/culture towards women I have a problem with?

[Landon]

I definitely agree with the order! Being an American, we can't afford the drugs spilling across the border! It's a mess!


I'm glad you've just realised I'm not intelligent because I have never made a claim to be clever and hate it when people assume/say both online and in real life that I am. If you must know, I consider myself actually pretty useless and a bit of a waste of space.

You're not useless and/or a waste of space. Don't think like that! Your points are valid.

[AgnesIO]

I would actually extend the ban to those countries aswell, for example I think it is high time we confronted the Wahabbist sect within Saudi Arabia once and for all. However, the clear difference between those countries and the others is that they're functioning states we can do business with and the others are failed or outright hostile states. Saudi Arabia isn't Yemen.



I'm glad you've just realised I'm not intelligent because I have never made a claim to be clever and hate it when people assume/say both online and in real life that I am. If you must know, I consider myself actually pretty useless and a bit of a waste of space.



The part about what parts of Middle Eastern attitudes/culture towards women I have a problem with?

You said "islamic world", don't even bother changing your term to "Middle Eastern". The two are not the same.

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this was a good little piece by journalist Rod Liddle for BBC Newsnight @lemons (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=104567);

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"1968 but in reverse". interesting take.


I definitely agree with the order! Being an American, we can't afford the drugs spilling across the border! It's a mess!

Majority of your fellow Americans agree with you too. :)

Figures from the respected Rasmussen Polling Company.

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You said "islamic world", don't even bother changing your term to "Middle Eastern". The two are not the same.

whatever term you want to use

so is that your Q to me, what parts of Islamic world's attitudes towards women don't I like?

[MightyMagician]

It's honestly sad how people think this is a ban on muslims. Here's Ryan Dawson's video on the matter:


https://www.facebook.com/bobby.staller.3/posts/1299188846769722?pnref=story

[AgnesIO]

this was a good little piece by journalist Rod Liddle for BBC Newsnight @lemons (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=104567);

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"1968 but in reverse". interesting take.



Majority of your fellow Americans agree with you too. :)

Figures from the respected Rasmussen Polling Company.

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whatever term you want to use

so is that your Q to me, what parts of Islamic world's attitudes towards women don't I like?

Yes....................

[AgnesIO]

whatever term you want to use

so is that your Q to me, what parts of Islamic world's attitudes towards women don't I like?

i think you forgot to reply

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New Chatham House survey across European nations make interesting reading.

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The western world is waking up.


i think you forgot to reply

Education, clothing, courts of law, role in society, sex, assault, FGM... I mean where would you like me to start?

[AgnesIO]

New Chatham House survey across European nations make interesting reading.

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The western world is waking up.



Education, clothing, courts of law, role in society, sex, assault, FGM... I mean where would you like me to start?

Courts of law you could apply to Sharia. Clothing you can maybe apply ever so loosely (hijab).

Absolutely everything else you listed is not a feature of Islam. Which is exactly the answers I expected you to bring to me.

You literally just despise Islam, and your grounds are flawed. Embarrassing.

[Landon]

You literally just despise Islam, and your grounds are flawed. Embarrassing.

He may not specifically despise Islam, but don't you wonder why there's a lot of people that do? Interesting thought.

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I'm actually religious myself and unlike many atheists, believe the world is far better for it. Far from despising Islam, I believe the Middle East would be a worse place without it and the moral coding it provides. Yet again you assume my opinions and are wrong.

I criticise Islam therefore I despise Islam? You spew the same theocratic bile that the ayatollahs in Tehran and clerics in Mecca do.

[FlyingJesus]

You believe that the cultural differences you despise in Eastern countries are due to Islam (as shown by the way you somehow attribute all manner of ills to the religion rather than the history of the countries), therefore you despite Islam. Just saying "no I don't" doesn't change that

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You believe that the cultural differences you despise in Eastern countries are due to Islam (as shown by the way you somehow attribute all manner of ills to the religion rather than the history of the countries), therefore you despite Islam. Just saying "no I don't" doesn't change that

Islam is the overwhelming cultural force across those countries, many of which did not exist over one hundred years ago. To claim otherwise or allude to some unknown cultural force which you do not name shows you to be highly ignorant of history, the history of the region of the influence of Islam in how the Middle East is today from politics to society. Instead of acknowledging the influence of Islam and thus having to confront its ills that it has left on the region today, it's easier for you - being lazy about it - to paint me as a sort of bigot or 'despising' Islam because then you can use the good liberal card and I am then the bad guy.

If I tried to engage you on the three main events of modern Arab history and the rise of political Islam (the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, the Iranian Revolution and the Saudi Pact) you wouldn't be able to handle it. So instead it's just puerile baby argument like "saying u dunt despize islam means nuffin cos u do i no ha ha i win" so what's the point of even trying with it - you've basically said nothing I can say will change your delusion of what I think so whatever.

[FlyingJesus]

1) Not a liberal. Dunno why you carry on saying these things.
2) I didn't and don't deny that Islam has had a huge impact on the culture of many places, but that (as with most things you post in replies to me) really isn't the point. The point is that you state Islam as the problem time and time again, and in doing so it shows that you do despise it. Agaiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnn, saying that you don't doesn't change facts, and trying to make fun of the truth by writing it in a weird way is just ludicrous.
3) The real puerile baby argument is changing what other people have said over and over and over and over and over and over in every thread. You get top prize for that.

[AgnesIO]

Islam is the overwhelming cultural force across those countries, many of which did not exist over one hundred years ago. To claim otherwise or allude to some unknown cultural force which you do not name shows you to be highly ignorant of history, the history of the region of the influence of Islam in how the Middle East is today from politics to society. Instead of acknowledging the influence of Islam and thus having to confront its ills that it has left on the region today, it's easier for you - being lazy about it - to paint me as a sort of bigot or 'despising' Islam because then you can use the good liberal card and I am then the bad guy.

If I tried to engage you on the three main events of modern Arab history and the rise of political Islam (the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, the Iranian Revolution and the Saudi Pact) you wouldn't be able to handle it. So instead it's just puerile baby argument like "saying u dunt despize islam means nuffin cos u do i no ha ha i win" so what's the point of even trying with it - you've basically said nothing I can say will change your delusion of what I think so whatever.


FJ has said everything I feel the need to say, to be honest. However, the issue is, your claims regarding women are not in anyway unique to Islamic countries, and that's why your argument is so flawed.

I knew perfectly well which rights you were going to mention (as you do the same as many people). The issue is if you were even the least bit educated in these areas, you would realise simply blaming Islam is so incredibly short-sighted, and completely the wrong way to achieve change.

[Shar]

New Chatham House survey across European nations make interesting reading.

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The western world is waking up.



Education, clothing, courts of law, role in society, sex, assault, FGM... I mean where would you like me to start?
Fgm is not an Islamic teaching lol...

[AgnesIO]

Fgm is not an Islamic teaching lol...

Don't expect a response - Dan is a bit like Trump in this regard; makes wild claims that he can't back up.