US revokes transgender bathroom guidance for schools

[-:Undertaker:-]

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HOORAY.

Ellen DeGeneres, Tyler Oakley and Twitter SJWs majorly pissed. Sad!

[Landon]

'Twas a good day for conservatives in America!

[Elegance]

how can u say hooray at that wtaf

[Landon]

how can u say hooray at that wtaf

I don't think it's okay that another gender should be able to go into my restroom.... Freaky as hell.

[FlyingJesus]

Just do away with urinals which are disgusting health hazards and have full blocks of cubicles that anyone can use then no-one can cry about it

[-:Undertaker:-]

FlyingJesus;

Or just keep it as it is for those of us who don't have stage fright and who don't fancy massive queues to take a piss.

[AgnesIO]

The first thing Trump has done that I agree with.

[FlyingJesus]

It's not about stage fright, it's just absolutely disgusting to be splashing around in a trough of piss. If you want it to be that casual bring back the chamber pot, urinals don't even save that much space tbh especially with how most people tend to not want to get caught in someone else's stream or anything so space out

[Landon]

The first thing Trump has done that I agree with.

Maybe you're coming around, my friend? ;)


Or just keep it as it is for those of us who don't have stage fright and who don't fancy massive queues to take a piss.

Exactly, I don't know why it is such a problem. It has worked for years. No need for change.

[FlyingJesus]

Having a dump in a hole works, doesn't mean we don't look for improvements

[AgnesIO]

Maybe you're coming around, my friend? ;)



Exactly, I don't know why it is such a problem. It has worked for years. No need for change.

Not. Going. To. Bite. ;)

[le harry]

It's not about stage fright, it's just absolutely disgusting to be splashing around in a trough of piss. If you want it to be that casual bring back the chamber pot, urinals don't even save that much space tbh especially with how most people tend to not want to get caught in someone else's stream or anything so space out

Absolutely absurd idea. Unless you want the percentage of men to start p*ssing behind trees in public to skyrocket, then cubicles are here to stay. The amount of public events where queues for the females bathroom is 30 minutes long whilst fellas meander in and out at their desire is enough for me to veto the idea of cubicle abolition 100 times over.

[AgnesIO]

Having a dump in a hole works, doesn't mean we don't look for improvements

Our desire to sit down on a toilet isn't an improvement. Causes health issues that we blindly ignore.

[FlyingJesus]

Our desire to sit down on a toilet isn't an improvement. Causes health issues that we blindly ignore.

Plumbing and sewers is an enormous improvement, the next step may be adopting the squat style of toilets but surely you realise the advantages of not walking around in our own shit :P

[AgnesIO]

Plumbing and sewers is an enormous improvement, the next step may be adopting the squat style of toilets but surely you realise the advantages of not walking around in our own shit :P


I'll be honest, I do typically prefer to not walk around in my own faeces :p

[hungryfront]

I love how you call inspirations like Ellen a "SJW", I mean if you're against justice that's your own thing but surely everyone should be given equal rights? With the women's bathroom thing, you're forgetting, you know, biological differences which means more women might need to use the bathroom.

Can't we just let people be themselves and just move on with our own lives, it really shouldn't affect you if somebody else is in your bathroom. If you can whip it out in front of strangers, then you can whip it out in front of any strangers. Just give people equal rights and let them be them, it won't affect you.

Something I forgot to mention: my school literally only has cubicles, no urinals. Guys queue is still shorter.

[Landon]

it really shouldn't affect you if somebody else is in your bathroom.

It shouldn't affect a small girl if a grown man is in her restroom? I don't think so. :(

[hungryfront]

It shouldn't affect a small girl if a grown man is in her restroom? I don't think so. :(
Really, why should it affect her? They have cubicles. Literally the only thing that is being shared is sinks.

[Landon]

Really, why should it affect her? They have cubicles. Literally the only thing that is being shared is sinks.

Ever heard of a child molester? I have.
It may be your opinion to let a grown man in with a little, innocent girl, but when I have kids, I will never let that happen. Disgusting.

[scottish]

It shouldn't affect a small girl if a grown man is in her restroom? I don't think so. :(


Really, why should it affect her? They have cubicles. Literally the only thing that is being shared is sinks.

Completely agree with ^

It's not like a man is walking into a woman's bathroom and seeing them all with their legs spread apart taking a piss over a urinal?

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Ever heard of a child molester? I have.
It may be your opinion to let a grown man in with a little, innocent girl, but when I have kids, I will never let that happen. Disgusting.

You think a bathroom door is going to make a difference to someone who wants to molest a child? lmfao

absolute idiot.

[Landon]

Completely agree with ^

It's not like a man is walking into a woman's bathroom and seeing them all with their legs spread apart taking a piss over a urinal?

Look, if it came down to it, I'd be all good if it were just adults. But allowing vulnerable children to go into a bathroom with the opposite sex is just absurd... You know what has happened before.

[scottish]

Look, if it came down to it, I'd be all good if it were just adults. But allowing vulnerable children to go into a bathroom with the opposite sex is just absurd... You know what has happened before.

Allowing vulnerable children go into the bathroom with the same sex is just as bad if you're wanting to talk about child molesters?

[Landon]

Allowing vulnerable children go into the bathroom with the same sex is just as bad if you're wanting to talk about child molesters?

It's not just as bad. We have more people attracted to opposite sex rather than the same.

[Empired]

Don't be silly Scott don't you know that only men can be child molesters?

[hungryfront]

Ever heard of a child molester? I have.
It may be your opinion to let a grown man in with a little, innocent girl, but when I have kids, I will never let that happen. Disgusting.

How is he being let "in" with her? There's doors dividing them. And if he wanted to molest the child, he'd go in regardless of rules. Just like he would molest them regardless of rules.

Also, not every dude is a child molester. You and I aren't, there'd be no harm in letting us in, would there? If you propose on not letting it happen, surely that means you have to go in with your daughter, which is what you don't want.

[scottish]

It's not just as bad. We have more people attracted to opposite sex rather than the same.

It is just as bad.. by that same logic this argument is pointless as we have more people who aren't child molesters than there are, so let them do what they want?

"It may be your opinion to let a grown man in with a little, innocent girl, but when I have kids, I will never let that happen. Disgusting."

What will you do if your child is a boy? No public toilets?

[Landon]

How is he being let "in" with her? There's doors dividing them. And if he wanted to molest the child, he'd go in regardless of rules. Just like he would molest them regardless of rules.

Also, not every dude is a child molester. You and I aren't, there'd be no harm in letting us in, would there? If you propose on not letting it happen, surely that means you have to go in with your daughter, which is what you don't want.

There's a greater chance of a child molester molesting a child when he/she is actually allowed to go into the bathroom.
There are some real weird looks/screams if a man goes into a womens restroom and there are women in it, let me tell you that.

[scottish]

Don't be silly Scott don't you know that only men can be child molesters?

Oh yeah, forgot about that!

How could I have assumed a woman would do such a thing, forgot they're all angels!!

[-:Undertaker:-]

I love how you call inspirations like Ellen a "SJW", I mean if you're against justice that's your own thing but surely everyone should be given equal rights?

I'm not a Marxist so I don't believe in Equality, correct. I do believe in Justice though, you cannot have both.

Your side isn't going to bully the rest of the population into the delusion that a man in a frock is now a woman.


With the women's bathroom thing, you're forgetting, you know, biological differences which means more women might need to use the bathroom.

And?


Can't we just let people be themselves and just move on with our own lives, it really shouldn't affect you if somebody else is in your bathroom. If you can whip it out in front of strangers, then you can whip it out in front of any strangers. Just give people equal rights and let them be them, it won't affect you.

Can't we just stop warping society simply to accommodate the nutty demands of SJWs and trannys.


Something I forgot to mention: my school literally only has cubicles, no urinals. Guys queue is still shorter.

I just went to Universal Studios and the line for the women's was a ten minute wait. Men's I just walked in because of urinals. Can't you just let men have their urinals which they're happy with and just move on with your life?

[scottish]

There's a greater chance of a child molester molesting a child when he/she is actually allowed to go into the bathroom.
There are some real weird looks/screams if a man goes into a womens restroom and there are women in it, let me tell you that.

What the actual fuck goes on in your head?

Are you indicating that you've went into a womans toilet before? :o

[Landon]

What the actual fuck goes on in your head?

Are you indicating that you've went into a womans toilet before? :o

And what kind of statement did I say that makes you draw that conclusion?

[scottish]

And what kind of statement did I say that makes you draw that conclusion?

There are some real weird looks/screams if a man goes into a womens restroom and there are women in it, let me tell you that.

Indicates you have experience/witnessed.

or if you're referring to the first question then see all your recent posts.

[Landon]

There are some real weird looks/screams if a man goes into a womens restroom and there are women in it, let me tell you that.

Indicates you have experience/witnessed.

or if you're referring to the first question then see all your recent posts.

You know, I think that you're well aware that its false.
But I find it quite funny that you are "for" this whole transgender bathroom deal, but you're the one that seemed to be shocked, saying this.


Are you indicating that you've went into a womans toilet before? :o

[-:Undertaker:-]

And what kind of statement did I say that makes you draw that conclusion?

There's little point trying to reason with him. After all remember you're trying to use reason here with people here who believe a man with lipstick on and his bits lopped off is now a women. You'd have better luck trying reason with patients in Bedlam.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0PRJjhJtt0

[scottish]

You know, I think that you're well aware that its false.
But I find it quite funny that you are "for" this whole transgender bathroom deal, but you're the one that seemed to be shocked, saying this.

I'm not for or against transgender bathroom rules, I'm indifferent to it. It makes literally 0 difference to me if I'm in a bathroom with a transgender watching me take a piss at a urinal or hearing me take a shit in a cubicle, and when I have a daughter it makes 0 difference if a transgender is in the same room as her when she's in another locked cubicle doing the toilet.

If someone makes a ******ed statement however then I'm going to jump in, hence my being here.

Also, unless you're transgender then that seems to be a rather pointless statement.

[Landon]

Also, unless you're transgender then that seems to be a rather pointless statement.

So I have to be transgender to be able to have a valid opinion, I see how this works.

[hungryfront]

I'm not a Marxist so I don't believe in Equality, correct. I do believe in Justice though, you cannot have both.

Your side isn't going to bully the rest of the population into the delusion that a man in a frock is now a woman.



And?



Can't we just stop warping society simply to accommodate the nutty demands of SJWs and trannys.



I just went to Universal Studios and the line for the women's was a ten minute wait. Men's I just walked in because of urinals. Can't you just let men have their urinals which they're happy with and just move on with your life?

Pretty sure if anybody's doing the bullying, it's conservatives bullying people that aren't straight white men into doing what they want, like leaving the country. Let people be who they want, it's really of no effect to you.

Society is based on being warped. Society was "warped" to be so used to the internet, which is why you're here now. Society was "warped" to use smartphones so often. Society was "warped" to have to drive everywhere (leading to climate change, may I add).

Don't just put it down to urinals. Especially when you get those ones with the little half wall thing between them that makes them virtually the same size as cubicles.

As a straight white male, I am privileged. I accept that, but I use my privilege for good, like standing up for people who don't have the privilege. People who aren't straight, white, or male. I don't use it, like many Trump supporters do, to oppress others.

[scottish]

So I have to be transgender to be able to have a valid opinion, I see how this works.

No you have to be transgender to use the argument of a man being in a womans bathroom, otherwise you're talking about unisex bathrooms and not this transgender rule, and no part of this thread is about unisex bathrooms.

[hungryfront]

There's little point trying to reason with him. After all remember you're trying to use reason here with people here who believe a man with lipstick on and his bits lopped off is now a women. You'd have better luck trying reason with patients in Bedlam.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0PRJjhJtt0

Age is to do with maturity. You wouldn't let a 4 year old drive a car the same as you would let a 40 year old drive a car, but you would let a woman drive a car the same as you would let a man drive a car.

[scottish]

Age is to do with maturity. You wouldn't let a 4 year old drive a car the same as you would let a 40 year old drive a car, but you would let a woman drive a car the same as you would let a man drive a car.

Depends ultimately if reversing is required or not.

[hungryfront]

Depends ultimately if reversing is required or not.

For the record, my dad's written of two cars and my mum's written of none - she's not had a crash, either.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Pretty sure if anybody's doing the bullying, it's conservatives bullying people that aren't straight white men into doing what they want, like leaving the country. Let people be who they want, it's really of no effect to you.

Like leaving the country? You mean enforcing the [immigration] laws? :S


Society is based on being warped. Society was "warped" to be so used to the internet, which is why you're here now. Society was "warped" to use smartphones so often. Society was "warped" to have to drive everywhere (leading to climate change, may I add).

Equating the great inventions of straight white males to your warped view that a man in a dress is now akin to a woman isn't going to work. It's delusional and ridiculous. Fact is, man = man and woman = woman. Has been since forever and for most people remains the same today, apart from crazies on tumblr, Cher and Lily Allen.


Don't just put it down to urinals. Especially when you get those ones with the little half wall thing between them that makes them virtually the same size as cubicles.

I like using a urinal. Easy. Quick. Makes sense. I'm not going to stop or change to go along with your delusion.


As a straight white male, I am privileged. I accept that, but I use my privilege for good, like standing up for people who don't have the privilege. People who aren't straight, white, or male. I don't use it, like many Trump supporters do, to oppress others.

You're so cucked it is beyond belief.

If you hate straight white males so much then move to deepest darkest Africa. You wouldn't last a day.

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Age is to do with maturity. You wouldn't let a 4 year old drive a car the same as you would let a 40 year old drive a car, but you would let a woman drive a car the same as you would let a man drive a car.

I love how you've brought children into it to make a completely irrelevant point about the legal driving age.

The ages in the video were 22 and 60. If you're going to attack Shapiro's point at least attack what he *said*.

[Landon]

Depends ultimately if reversing is required or not.

Through all of our disagreements, I have to say that that was a good one.

[hungryfront]

Like leaving the country? You mean enforcing the [immigration] laws? :S



Equating the great inventions of straight white males to your warped view that a man in a dress is now akin to a woman isn't going to work. It's delusional and ridiculous. Fact is, man = man and woman = woman. Has been since forever and for most people remains the same today, apart from crazies on tumblr, Cher and Lily Allen.



I like using a urinal. Easy. Quick. Makes sense. I'm not going to stop or change to go along with your delusion.



You're so cucked it is beyond belief.

If you hate straight white males so much then move to deepest darkest Africa. You wouldn't last a day.

Immigration is moving TO somewhere. A little way to remember it = the "im" at the start sounds like "in". Please don't confuse stopping people from entering with deporting them.

The reason Africa has so much crime is because countries led by straight white males exploited them, by the Empire and apartheid. Do some research before coming up with arguments - their problems are the faults of straight white men. I don't hate straight white men, I just know that some of them exploit the fact that society will often accept oppressing minorities because there's not as many minorities as there is majorities. If minorities were to rebel, we'd know there's far more white people than non-white people in countries like America and the UK, so we could fight back and win. That's why I stand up for them.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Immigration is moving TO somewhere. A little way to remember it = the "im" at the start sounds like "in". Please don't confuse stopping people from entering with deporting them.

Oh so you agree with deportations then. Good.


The reason Africa has so much crime is because countries led by straight white males exploited them, by the Empire and apartheid. Do some research before coming up with arguments - their problems are the faults of straight white men. I don't hate straight white men, I just know that some of them exploit the fact that society will often accept oppressing minorities because there's not as many minorities as there is majorities. If minorities were to rebel, we'd know there's far more white people than non-white people in countries like America and the UK, so we could fight back and win. That's why I stand up for them.

I have no idea what history books you've been reading but that really is such utter drivel. Until the evil straight white men came to Africa, it did not even have the wheel. It had no rule of law. It had no system of justice. It had no industry. No medical science. It had no ordered society. It had no naval capacity. It was more backwards than even the Kingdom of England was in feudal times circa 1066. The racist lines you're throwing out here blaming white people for the ills of the world are straight from the Robert Mugabe school of historical debate. If it wasn't for straight white males you and I likely wouldn't have even been born given infant mortality/disease.

Cite me an example of an African country that was in any measure advanced prior to the arrival of the colonial Empires.

[FlyingJesus]

Holy shit did Dan really use the word cuck that is hilarious

[hungryfront]

Oh so you agree with deportations then. Good.



I have no idea what history books you've been reading but that really is such utter drivel. Until the evil straight white men came to Africa, it did not even have the wheel. It had no rule of law. It had no system of justice. It had no industry. No medical science. It had no ordered society. It had no naval capacity. It was more backwards than even the Kingdom of England was in feudal times circa 1066. The racist lines you're throwing out here blaming white people for the ills of the world are straight from the Robert Mugabe school of historical debate. If it wasn't for straight white males you and I likely wouldn't have even been born given infant mortality/disease.

Cite me an example of an African country that was in any measure advanced prior to the arrival of the colonial Empires.

I'm not saying they were more developed before we arrived, but if you look at how much they've developed since we left it's quite clear. I don't know a ton about African countries, so I'll use India which is what we're currently doing a case study on in Geography. It's going to be the biggest economic power in the world by 2040. In the last 10 years, infant mortality has decreased by nearly 80%. Life expectancy has risen by more than 10 years.

[wixard]

feels like alt right 101 up in here

[dbgtz]

For the record, my dad's written of two cars and my mum's written of none - she's not had a crash, either.

I realise what Scott said wasn't serious and that this is off topic, but what you said is meaningless without any mileage data and stating whether your dad was the one who crashed or was crashed into.

[Landon]

feels like alt right 101 up in here

I am not an alt-rightist, and I am sure that Undertaker isn't either. But you don't need to be alt-right not to support the transgender bathroom decisions.

[FlyingJesus]

feels like alt right 101 up in here

Libtard cuck shill!!!! Such a normie snowflake, wake up sheeple! #MAGA #freeMilothepaedo

[Landon]

Libtard cuck shill!!!! Such a normie snowflake, wake up sheeple! #MAGA #freeMilothepaedo

Such an innocent, loving liberal. Let's let little girls use the restroom with grown men!

[Empired]

Landon what are you even responding to there

[FlyingJesus]

I think he thought I was being serious which is worrying

[Landon]

I think he thought I was being serious which is worrying

Nah, I was just continuing with the joke.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I'm not saying they were more developed before we arrived, but if you look at how much they've developed since we left it's quite clear. I don't know a ton about African countries, so I'll use India which is what we're currently doing a case study on in Geography. It's going to be the biggest economic power in the world by 2040. In the last 10 years, infant mortality has decreased by nearly 80%. Life expectancy has risen by more than 10 years.

so you can't name me one, and the one you have named is still miles behind in terms of living standards and will be for decades to come.

i'm well aware of the case of India and i would really advise you to do as i have done, and look further back than simply the end of the colonial period up to the present. If you do then you will find India experienced rapid advancement under British rule, especially in the earlier period, which only stagnated (as indeed the whole Empire did) from World War I and continued with the Great Depression and World War II. Hence one of the reasons why Indian nationalism began to grow in the Raj which had until then been pretty stable compared to some other colonies/spheres of influence like South Africa or Afghanistan.

From then on [WWII], India hasn't done well since independence (and has only begun to turn this around since the 1990s and economic liberalisation following on from China's 80s reforms under Deng Xioping) and has wasted decades due to its socialist economic outlook that was embedded in its hugely complex post-colonial constitution and system of government. It's got jack all to do with the British Empire and colonialism itself. In fact, one could argue that as the 'Jewel in the Crown' and being blessed with such enormous resources as well as being strategically placed in the middle of imperial trade routes at the time, that India was in a more advantageous position than most former colonies were. Yet threw the opportunity away.

If the argument that it was imperialism which held these countries back were true, then why it is the case that successful countries/provinces post-Empire such as Singapore and Hong Kong have done so well despite having next-to-no natural resources when the likes of India, Uganda and Zimbabwe have done so poorly despite plentiful natural resources? Think about it.


I am not an alt-rightist, and I am sure that Undertaker isn't either. But you don't need to be alt-right not to support the transgender bathroom decisions.

it doesn't matter whether they call me alt right, right wing, conservative, ukipper, libertarian or general pinochet. doesn't matter at all. as any is a compliment from a sjw. what matters is i'll never allow these sjw fuckers to shut down my free speech. NEVER! if they shut me down i get LOUDER. i'll never submit to their deluded 31 and counting gender fantasy whether through the law or pressure. never. i'll never ever allow them to block my way, block a car (as have been in the videos just been watching) or i'll run them over/escalate it.

no. the time for fighting these fascist freaks is now and we've got to get ten times as tough as them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-nvNAcvUPE

we're not facing reason we're facing insanity. and often intimidation. time to do it back but twice as good, and the alt right is.

[AgnesIO]

i'll never ever allow them to block my way, block a car (as have been in the videos just been watching) or i'll run them over

will you though?

[scottish]

no, he's all talk.

[Akeel]

i think transgenders should identify as the genders theyve become and there shouldnt be any differentiation between them and a normal female/male x

[Artpops]

While I do think people will insult me for my opinion, hear me out.
I do not believe transgenders should be allowed to use the bathroom of the gender they identify as. I think there should be bathrooms specifically allocated for transgender females, and transgender males. It's not appropriate having transgender individuals who have not entirely transitioned in the opposite bathroom. However, using the bathroom of the gender they were biologically assigned at birth may become dangerous (due to the risk of potential transphobia), hence why I suggest creating separate bathrooms entirely. This is in no way dehumanizing anybody; only for the safety of legitimate females and males. The more people observe such demonstrations of transgender females/males using the bathroom of the gender they identify as, perverted incidents will spike because a man can dress up as a woman and claim they are "transgender" when in reality they may have completely harmful ulterior motives.

[Akeel]

While I do think people will insult me for my opinion, hear me out.
I do not believe transgenders should be allowed to use the bathroom of the gender they identify as. I think there should be bathrooms specifically allocated for transgender females, and transgender males. It's not appropriate having transgender individuals who have not entirely transitioned in the opposite bathroom. However, using the bathroom of the gender they were biologically assigned at birth may become dangerous (due to the risk of potential transphobia), hence why I suggest creating separate bathrooms entirely. This is in no way dehumanizing anybody; only for the safety of legitimate females and males. The more people observe such demonstrations of transgender females/males using the bathroom of the gender they identify as, perverted incidents will spike because a man can dress up as a woman and claim they are "transgender" when in reality they may have completely harmful ulterior motives.

I can see where you're coming from.. Transgenders should be allocated bathrooms for them specifically - this would be much safer and help us identify the difference between someone who is transgender and well.. not.

[Artpops]

I can see where you're coming from.. Transgenders should be allocated bathrooms for them specifically - this would be much safer and help us identify the difference between someone who is transgender and well.. not.

It's easy to differentiate between someone who is transgender and a real male/female because transgender females sound like Gigi Gorgeous and have man-abs.

[Akeel]

It's easy to differentiate between someone who is transgender and a real male/female because transgender females sound like Gigi Gorgeous and have man-abs.

Yeah, but obviously it'd be less easy to differentiate if someone transgender like Trisha Paytas was to be studied. From her body image we can't infer any obvious abs and her voice is much more feminine due to the surgery and adams apple removal.

[Landon]

I can see where you're coming from.. Transgenders should be allocated bathrooms for them specifically - this would be much safer and help us identify the difference between someone who is transgender and well.. not.

This idea really isn't a bad one actually.
I'm just trying to figure out how so many store owners and people in general would be convinced to spend money to build a third bathroom..

[Akeel]

This idea really isn't a bad one actually.
I'm just trying to figure out how so many store owners and people in general would be convinced to spend money to build a third bathroom..

It'd make them feel more important and intact.. Four bathrooms for them to truly be themselves.

[-:Undertaker:-]

no, he's all talk.

yeah i'm all talk when i donated money and a lot of my time in the referendum campaign leafleting my entire own area while you sat on habboxforum and laughed at me & others and said it'd be a remain win. i think your projecting, its you that's all talk!

i always speak out and confront stuff in real life whether its someone being bullied, the police or some scumbag littering on the streets when a lot of people stay silent out of fear/social norms despite not being a do-gooder on here so don't pretend you know me. someone ever breaks into my house or tries intimidating me and attacking my car and you see just what i do. i've nothing to lose.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6L7gmjSI_k

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This idea really isn't a bad one actually.
I'm just trying to figure out how so many store owners and people in general would be convinced to spend money to build a third bathroom..

there's no point in this negotiation with them

the moment you give them another bathroom (which is impossible anyway in many places due to space money etc) they'll demand more bathrooms for the 31 and counting genders they're inventing. it's all about making you, me and society bend to their delusions.

i mean just look at what jorgie; posted


i think transgenders should identify as the genders theyve become and there shouldnt be any differentiation between them and a normal female/male x

they. are. not. male/female so please stop trying to drag society into believing something that is plainly biologically not true.

[Akeel]

yeah i'm all talk when i donated money and a lot of my time in the referendum campaign leafleting my entire own area while you sat on habboxforum and laughed at me & others and said it'd be a remain win. i think your projecting, its you that's all talk!

i always speak out and confront stuff in real life whether its someone being bullied, the police or some scumbag littering on the streets when a lot of people stay silent out of fear/social norms despite not being a do-gooder on here so don't pretend you know me. someone ever breaks into my house or tries intimidating me and attacking my car and you see just what i do. i've nothing to lose.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6L7gmjSI_k

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there's no point in this negotiation with them

the moment you give them another bathroom (which is impossible anyway in many places due to space money etc) they'll demand more bathrooms for the 31 and counting genders they're inventing. it's all about making you, me and society bend to their delusions.

i mean just look at what jorgie; posted



they. are. not. male/female so please stop trying to drag society into believing something that is plainly biologically not true.

but they are. if they don't feel like their biological genders.. then they're clearly not. you're just a closed minded person, clearly.

[-:Undertaker:-]

but they are. if they don't feel like their biological genders.. then they're clearly not. you're just a closed minded person, clearly.

the world doesn't work on feelings. facts don't care about feelings.

close minded right. you forgot bigoted, racist, transphobic and whatever else but i'm sure you'll get round to it.

[FlyingJesus]

the world doesn't work on feelings.

Exactly so stop pretending that yours are facts

Also a label isn't any less true just because you pre-empt it

[Akeel]

the world doesn't work on feelings. facts don't care about feelings.

close minded right. you forgot bigoted, racist, transphobic and whatever else but i'm sure you'll get round to it.

can u stop being so transphobic plz.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Exactly so stop pretending that yours are facts


Also a label isn't any less true just because you pre-empt it

don't try and drag me into your hell of subjectivity where down can mean up and up mean down.

just because your subjective 'facts' are more than questionable doesn't mean my objective facts of male/female are too.

[scottish]

blah blah blah

what does you handing out leaflets have anything to do with you talking shit about running someone over? lol

[-:Undertaker:-]

oh darling you know exactly what it means. you say i'm all talk but its you that's all talk on here. if sjw mobs ever blocked my car and threatened me like above of course i'd run them over. you'd probably get out of the car and hand them your keys.

i don't back down to fascists who intimidate me.

@scottish (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=53890);

[scottish]

blocked your car and threatened you like what?

I skipped most of the video as it's boring, but from what I seen a few people were standing infront of his car and he tapped one of them while slowly edging forwards?

ps can you even drive

[-:Undertaker:-]

anyone who intimidates like that gets whats coming to them. that guy showed remarkable restraint allowing them scumbag fascists to surround his car and damage it like that and its certainly more restraint than i would show. perfectly clear, yeah?

so mr all talk. if someone breaks into your house you'd put your hands up and get on your knees or would you defend yourself?

[scottish]

they hardly got what's coming to them? what.. like I said he very slowly edged his way forward and tapped one of them?

you're talking like he rammed them at 30 mph..

obviously defend myself.

ps you didn't answer my question

[-:Undertaker:-]

oh so you'd defend yourself like i said i would!?

your all talk!! as you said to me when i said exactly the same as you just have. :rolleyes:

[scottish]

oh so you'd defend yourself like i said i would!?

your all talk!! as you said to me when i said exactly the same as you just have. :rolleyes:

you're

but no, what you posted was completely separate from what you reference.

you said: "i'll never ever allow them to block my way, block a car (as have been in the videos just been watching) or i'll run them over/escalate it."

which is completely different from the video you referenced in which 10 people surrounded his car and he slowly tried to move forward, very slowly tapping one in the process nothing similar to 'running them over'.

if 10 people were surrounding your car and throwing stuff through your window smashing your car then okay I can see that, but I can't imagine for 1 second you 'running them over' based on the crap I seen in that video.

ps you still haven't answered my question

[-:Undertaker:-]

scottish; if you look further in the video someone does step on the gas. as i said, that guy showed remarkable restraint. these SJW groups from black lives matters to the rest of them are known for violence and surrounding/banging a car like that itself constitutes a threat.

and yeah i'm currently learning. able to drive on roads.

[FlyingJesus]

don't try and drag me into your hell of subjectivity where down can mean up and up mean down.

just because your subjective 'facts' are more than questionable doesn't mean my objective facts of male/female are too.

Where do you get your pills from because they're obviously great

I was talking about facts, that's not anything to do with subjectivity. It's the polar opposite. Be interested to know which of "my" facts are questionable though, good luck with answering that one without attributing other peoples' words to me as though everyone who calls you out on your utter bullshit is the same person

[Landon]

you're

but no, what you posted was completely separate from what you reference.

you said: "i'll never ever allow them to block my way, block a car (as have been in the videos just been watching) or i'll run them over/escalate it."

which is completely different from the video you referenced in which 10 people surrounded his car and he slowly tried to move forward, very slowly tapping one in the process nothing similar to 'running them over'.

if 10 people were surrounding your car and throwing stuff through your window smashing your car then okay I can see that, but I can't imagine for 1 second you 'running them over' based on the crap I seen in that video.

ps you still haven't answered my question

Funny you say all of this because it happens frequently. Mobs of SJWs, BLM Warriors, and LGBT Warriors attacking a car and expecting more rights.
You all ask him what kind of drugs he's on, but what ever happened to fighting peacefully for your rights instead of showing violent force? Not the way to go about it imo.

[lawrawrrr]

I was watching something earlier that said there's no recorded incidents of people being attacked by trans people in restrooms but the opposite (trans people being attacked) has been recorded - not sure it's 100% true as there's a lot of bias depending on what side it comes from

but someone who has like fully transitioned and looks and behaves completely as the other sex, how can you really expect them to use a different bathroom?

This guy has been p vocal:

https://i.upworthy.com/nugget/5519d57d663231000c180100/EC2-507a9e355d8783c7dfb16b6b1bf7f984.jpg?ixlib=rb-0.3.5&w=1200&h=624&auto=format&fm=jpg&

Like this is a trans man... if I saw him in a woman's bathroom I'd think wtf are you doing in here????

[Landon]

I was watching something earlier that said there's no recorded incidents of people being attacked by trans people in restrooms but the opposite (trans people being attacked) has been recorded - not sure it's 100% true as there's a lot of bias depending on what side it comes from

I agree with you here - partially.
I think the reason that you have the "bias" is because trans people and SJWs are attacking those that don't believe in it a lot more frequently.

[lawrawrrr]

I agree with you here - partially.
I think the reason that you have the "bias" is because trans people and SJWs are attacking those that don't believe in it a lot more frequently.
i'm not saying i'm biased, i'm saying that both sides exaggerate the truth in pretty much every slightly controversial topic of conversation to make their side look more appealing, it's pretty much what politics is based on

[Landon]

i'm not saying i'm biased, i'm saying that both sides exaggerate the truth in pretty much every slightly controversial topic of conversation to make their side look more appealing, it's pretty much what politics is based on

No I'm not saying you're biased at all. Was just saying that the reason "the bias is there" is because blah blah blah. :) Bad wording on my part.

[lawrawrrr]

No I'm not saying you're biased at all. Was just saying that the reason "the bias is there" is because blah blah blah. :) Bad wording on my part.
ok fair.

but still, I do think the hate that trans people get is a LOT worse and a LOT more frequent. Trans people literally get killed on a worryingly frequent basis for stuff like this.

SJWs don't represent all liberals and what most liberals want is just to allow trans people to choose the bathroom of their gender identity so they can pee which is a pretty basic request to make. Yeah there are some nasty people who resort to nasty tactics to get what they want but from what I see on Twitter and news outlet comment sections there's a hell of a lot more nastiness coming from conservatives. And that's looking on websites and accounts that are traditionally from either side of the political spectrum!

[Landon]

ok fair.

but still, I do think the hate that trans people get is a LOT worse and a LOT more frequent. Trans people literally get killed on a worryingly frequent basis for stuff like this.

SJWs don't represent all liberals and what most liberals want is just to allow trans people to choose the bathroom of their gender identity so they can pee which is a pretty basic request to make. Yeah there are some nasty people who resort to nasty tactics to get what they want but from what I see on Twitter and news outlet comment sections there's a hell of a lot more nastiness coming from conservatives. And that's looking on websites and accounts that are traditionally from either side of the political spectrum!

It could be a basic request, but the way that it is approached is terrible. That makes it not so basic.
So now we deal with not only the issue itself but the """peaceful""" protests that the groups put on. They're only creating a distraction by making officials worry about what kind of police forces they need to send in to deal with the issue.

No wonder LGBTs and SJWs get so much hate. No wonder quite a few people have literally no respect for the BLM, LGBT, SJW community.
It's obvious why.

[lawrawrrr]

It could be a basic request, but the way that it is approached is terrible. That makes it not so basic.
So now we deal with not only the issue itself but the """peaceful""" protests that the groups put on. They're only creating a distraction by making officials worry about what kind of police forces they need to send in to deal with the issue.

No wonder LGBTs and SJWs get so much hate. No wonder quite a few people have literally no respect for the BLM, LGBT, SJW community.
It's obvious why.
Yeah and the same can be said for conservatives, a lot of people have no respect for republicans cos of some of the policies trump has pushed through when the truth is a lot of republicans are way more liberal than the current administration is portraying


Could you explain more about the first part of your post? It being approached terribly and it not being basic? Surely just allowing people to choose their own bathroom is literally the most basic way of doing anything?

[Landon]

Could you explain more about the first part of your post? It being approached terribly and it not being basic? Surely just allowing people to choose their own bathroom is literally the most basic way of doing anything?

It's not a basic thing to "ask" because it isn't being "asked". They're showing force. They're breaking laws - at least here in the United States it is against the law to riot and disrupt society. Just because we have people running all of the streets doesn't mean that we have to give into liberal ideals of letting people choose their own bathroom.


a lot of people have no respect for republicans cos of some of the policies trump has pushed through when the truth is a lot of republicans are way more liberal than the current administration is portraying

Don't blame it on Trump. People hated Republicans far longer ago than we knew Trump would run. In fact, many hated Republicans even when the 9/11 attack happened, and liberals found a way to blame it on Bush for "failing to protect the country".

[lawrawrrr]

Ok I mean I was using trump as an example of why a lot of people have turned against republicans lately not blaming the entirety on him...

It's not against the law to peacefully protest which is what the majority of people are doing

And my question was actually based on the topic of this thread - what actually is your stance on people being able to choose bathrooms? Especially people like the trans man I posted above? Cos it seems like you're completely anti- it but if you had a woman come in to the men's bathroom with boobs and a woman's body and makeup you'd prob feel preeeeetty uncomfortable as well right



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[FlyingJesus]

If people feeling uncomfortable and threatened is the problem with unisex toilets or whatever should gay men be forced to use women's toilets and lesbians to use the gent's?

[Landon]

Ok I mean I was using trump as an example of why a lot of people have turned against republicans lately not blaming the entirety on him...

It's not against the law to peacefully protest which is what the majority of people are doing

And my question was actually based on the topic of this thread - what actually is your stance on people being able to choose bathrooms? Especially people like the trans man I posted above? Cos it seems like you're completely anti- it but if you had a woman come in to the men's bathroom with boobs and a woman's body and makeup you'd prob feel preeeeetty uncomfortable as well right

I am completely uncomfortable with allowing the opposite gender into my restroom. It would be abused aka child molesters as well. It takes one person to mess things up for everyone. Sure, all is fine and well until it happens. But let's prevent that to the best of our abilities.
Be honest. If you had a fully grown man come into your bathroom after these laws were passed and he showed no signs of being transgender, just coming into the bathroom to abuse it - how would that make you feel?

I am not asking that to emotionally control you, as I can say quite well it would freak me the hell out. Just trying to relate. :)

[FlyingJesus]

If that's the issue then the above question applies massively and the safest thing for everyone would be what I suggested right on page one :P

[lawrawrrr]

I am completely uncomfortable with allowing the opposite gender into my restroom. It would be abused aka child molesters as well. It takes one person to mess things up for everyone. Sure, all is fine and well until it happens. But let's prevent that to the best of our abilities.
Be honest. If you had a fully grown man come into your bathroom after these laws were passed and he showed no signs of being transgender, just coming into the bathroom to abuse it - how would that make you feel?

I am not asking that to emotionally control you, as I can say quite well it would freak me the hell out. Just trying to relate. :)
So you are comfortable with these people using the same bathroom as you:

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/bEIMe1aV4OwRNjDJ67Allw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NDI3O2g9NjQwO2lsPX BsYW5l/http://40.media.tumblr.com/1f492d69ef84964c14bf9936f27dd472/tumblr_inline_nxzbzgepUN1t1n6uk_540.jpg
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/ZC9pt6uTUqgS4MoCWDtW1g--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/homerun/hello_giggles_454/e9d797149cc4b5f8211ff3ad801673c1
http://ell.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/01/768x1152/54a71205e85ba_-_elle-janet-mock-headshot-v-elv.jpg
http://www.advocate.com/sites/advocate.com/files/2015/08/18/Amiyah-Scott-x400.jpg

?????

They were all born men so by your logic, you'd be comfortable them using your bathroom. Despite the fact they are NOT men and don't even LOOK anything like men.



Let's be real here though, there is actually nothing stopping people going into different bathrooms at the moment. Hell knows I've been to the men's room many times cos the queue for womens' was too long. If someone really wanted to go and prey they could PRETTY easily without this law.

If I had a fully grown man such as this:

http://31.media.tumblr.com/79b1a87560961d115178eb05eacb8bfd/tumblr_inline_nl4aipQk0n1s0q1be.png

in the women's bathroom damn right i'd feel uncomfortable because THAT IS CLEARLY A MAN. But oh wait it's not, it's a TRANS MAN so they'd legally have to use the women's bathroom.

[dbgtz]

Can't say I'm overly supportive of this "trans movement". I understand and accept it's a mental issue and all that, but I don't agree with the way it's treated i.e. mutilating a body. As far as I recall, treating it by sex changes does nothing significant when it comes to suicide rates.

Ultimately, I'm not against unisex toilets but I think allowing this just breaks down the purpose of separating toilets (which I'm sure there is just cause for somewhere). But I do have to say, as far as I'm concerned this is basically a non issue. In an ideal world, I would just prefer small toilet rooms rather than crappily constructed cubicles since they are far superior.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I always laugh when people post pictures of trans who have tonnes of makeup on or who just happen to have very unusual manly/feminine body shapes. It's a false picture. Most people can spot a tranny a mile off usually by the way a bloke walks in heels, his size 10 feet and the gigantic hands. Like Miss Mann on Scary Movie 2, it ain't foolin anyone!

And the push for everything to be 'accepted' is false too. I wouldn't go out with a transexual, nor would many. This is not to say I would be mean to somebody purely for being trans, but I absolutely refuse to go along with this as being 'equal' or normal.


If people feeling uncomfortable and threatened is the problem with unisex toilets or whatever should gay men be forced to use women's toilets and lesbians to use the gent's?

Many people felt uncomfortable with gay men in toilets because of the behaviour of gay men in toilets. Indeed, many still feel disgusted and uncomfortable walking through parks or past bushes in the darker hours when many gay men seem to think it is acceptable to come out and have sex with strangers in the dark. And we wonder why HIV rates among that demographic are so high.

[FlyingJesus]

Thought you claimed to be about pragmatism not feeeeeeeeeeeelings also you didn't really answer the question but I think we've all come to expect that

[Akeel]

This topic is clearly so transphobic..

And anyway, even if they did have their own toilets you wouldn't be able to differentiate between trans, man or woman so yeah.. there's no reliability that they are what they claim to be.

[Landon]

This topic is clearly so transphobic..

Not at all! I have no fear of transgenderism or anything of the like, rather, a disapproval of it in my own eyes. Take for instance gays, I am friends with plenty on this fansite. Just because I don't think it's right to me personally doesn't mean I can't accept someone else's feelings.

Hate when people call it "transphobia" when it means "to be afraid" of transsexualism.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Not on the same side of the culture wars as feminist Germaine Greer but boy is she right. In recent years the left has shunned her as it eats itself alive with inconstitencies because she hasn't accepted the latest lunacy on gender and sexuality.

Interesting exchange for anyone interested in this topic & links with feminism -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B8Q6D4a6TM

[FlyingJesus]

Germaine Greer doesn't think than transwomen are women because she hate facts and enjoys hating anything to do with masculinity even if it's only historical - this is the woman who thinks women should "choose" to be lesbians for political reasons. Always hilarious when you suddenly side with someone horrific because they share one view with you, and crikey look at that you avoided the questions put to you again. I am in shock.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Germaine Greer doesn't think than transwomen are women because she hate facts and enjoys hating anything to do with masculinity even if it's only historical - this is the woman who thinks women should "choose" to be lesbians for political reasons. Always hilarious when you suddenly side with someone horrific because they share one view with you

Why is it hilarious? I did point out that me and Greer and on opposite sides of the culture wars but that doesn't mean I have to dismiss everything she says or that she's therefore always wrong because she is not on my side of the ideological spectrum. I disagreed with Tony Benn on virtually everything he said, although he was right on the European Union. I am not close-minded in that i'll dismiss anyone and everyone who does not share 99.9% of my opinions. There's more to be gained intellectually than just listening to Peter Hitchens, Christopher Hitchens, Enoch Powell and Ron Paul.


and crikey look at that you avoided the questions put to you again. I am in shock.

The question is that absurd I am shocked you want an answer to it. But alright....


If people feeling uncomfortable and threatened is the problem with unisex toilets or whatever should gay men be forced to use women's toilets and lesbians to use the gent's?

No because the toilets say male & female on them and not gay and lesbian. Case dismissed.

[FlyingJesus]

Yeah and a person who's undergone surgery to become a male is male lol, just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue. Also the question was in no way absurd, it's totally valid considering you and Landon have been trying to claim that discomfort is the reasoning behind your daft views, and then you enforced this by talking about how everyone is so totally terrified of tEh GaIz - even your final response (when you gave one) doesn't answer the question. You took an "if" question and basically said X can't be Y because Z isn't Q.

You need to decide on what your actual REASONING is for not wanting people who do have the same waste organs as you in the same toilet block as you...
Is it because you think anyone born male shouldn't be around infant females and vice cersa? If that's the case then the issue of homosexuals being forced into opposite gendered toilets is perfectly valid.
Is it because you just want to humiliate people who you don't like? If so then there's really no argument there.
Is it because you think how someone USED to physically be dictates their entire lives? If so you're very much advocating for feminine-presenting people in the gents and masculine-presenting people in the ladies even though they no longer have such equipment, kinda like telling a quadriplegic person to do some starjumps.
And of course if none of these is the case then segregating by sex or gender in toilets is just unnecessary anyway, cheers for agreeing :)

[Landon]

Yeah and a person who's undergone surgery to become a male is male lol

......... What did you just say? A lady who has had a penis constructed is a male?

[FlyingJesus]

Well yes. Any change to a person changes who and what they are - get your foot cut off and you're an amputee, get lipo and you're thinner, get a UKIP membership and you're delusional, that sort of thing. Unless you have a different definition of biology

[Landon]

Well yes. Any change to a person changes who and what they are - get your foot cut off and you're an amputee, get lipo and you're thinner, get a UKIP membership and you're delusional, that sort of thing. Unless you have a different definition of biology

I actually do have a different definition of Biology. To me, if you have XY chromosomes, you're a male. If you have XX chromosomes, you're a female. It's simple to understand. You're not a female if someone cuts off your penis. You're not a male if a doctor builds skin onto a vagina.

[FlyingJesus]

That's nice as long as you're not bothered about scientific accuracy.

[lawrawrrr]

ok fair point about the tons of makeup but your idea that ALL TRANS PEOPLE can be noticed is absolute bs right

true story time

I was at uni with a girl in my society and we were friends and went out on nights out and had drinks and socialised a fair bit... about 2 years into knowing her I find out she's trans and I was completely thrown, had literally no idea. I would post a pic to prove my point but obviously that's a huge invasion of privacy so no

but what about the other way round? trans men can't exactly hide it with makeup can they?

[Landon]

That's nice as long as you're not bothered about scientific accuracy.

It seems that you are the one that is actually bothered with scientific accuracy. Why? You can't accept the biology. You can't accept the fact that men have XY and women have XX. If your penis isn't there either because of surgery or an accident, you're still XY. No question about it. And it won't change.

[FlyingJesus]

Cool story bro (http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=25059)

[Landon]

Cool story bro (http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=25059)

LOL did you just give an excuse for transgender people to switch genders because of other people's medical disorders? How dare you.

[FlyingJesus]

No you absolute cretin, I just showed that XX and XY do not necessarily mean male and female.

[Landon]

I just showed that XX and XY do not necessarily mean male and female.

I think you're using it as an excuse for transsexualism as a way to sway from the fact that people WITHOUT SAID MEDICAL CONDITION are, by blood, male or female.


No you absolute cretin

LOOOOL I've never got that one before.

[lawrawrrr]

genuine thought: what about intersex people who live as one gender but aren't particularly one: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/q-a-mixed-sex-biology/


or people who live as a child as one gender then a medical condition changes them when puberty hits http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/12/the-astonishing-village-where-little-girls-turn-into-boys-aged-1/


or yknow people who actually are transgender and transition (or do you just deny these people exist/should have the right to live their life)

[FlyingJesus]

Well I think I'm not since we're talking about biological facts at the moment. No need to try telling me what I'm thinking, I know that far better than you can. You made a claim, I proved it wrong. That's got nothing to do with whatever my opinions on wider matters are

[Landon]

Well I think I'm not since we're talking about biological facts at the moment. No need to try telling me what I'm thinking, I know that far better than you can. You made a claim, I proved it wrong. That's got nothing to do with whatever my opinions on wider matters are

Well, you've in general proved yourself wrong. If you don't have a condition and you have your penis surgically removed, you are not a female... Now let's say you have the condition (which I do not deny happens), THEN if you have a removal you would be considered whathaveyou. If we want to talk about the general population then what you are saying is still wrong. You are not a different gender if you have your parts modified..

[FlyingJesus]

No dear, what happened is EXACTLY this:

*You made a claim
*I showed that it was empirically not true

There is no way around it, you can't say "ahhh but abnormal people don't count as human" just because the facts don't line up with your beliefs. The FACT is that XY doesn't 100% mean male and XX doesn't 100% mean female, which is what you claimed. Nothing to do with the rest of the thread or anything else in the world: you were just wrong in your statement.

[Landon]

No dear, what happened is EXACTLY this:

*You made a claim
*I showed that it was empirically not true

There is no way around it, you can't say "ahhh but abnormal people don't count as human" just because the facts don't line up with your beliefs. The FACT is that XY doesn't 100% mean male and XX doesn't 100% mean female, which is what you claimed. Nothing to do with the rest of the thread or anything else in the world: you were just wrong in your statement.

And I quoted when you said that you can have a penis constructed on a woman and then call her a man, and I proved it wrong provided she doesn't have some sort of disease like you mentioned and I agreed upon with you. What more do you need to know?

[FlyingJesus]

You haven't proven anything, you're just saying "WELL that doesn't count". Proof is like when I showed you that scientifically, biologically, reasonably, you are inherently wrong in what your definition of male/female is. Facts are facts all the time, not just when they suit your preconceived ideas.

[lawrawrrr]

Well, you've in general proved yourself wrong. If you don't have a condition and you have your penis surgically removed, you are not a female... Now let's say you have the condition (which I do not deny happens), THEN if you have a removal you would be considered whathaveyou. If we want to talk about the general population then what you are saying is still wrong. You are not a different gender if you have your parts modified..
"condition"= physical condition like one I mentioned or mental 'condition' (what most people would be called "being born in the wrong body")?

[Landon]

You haven't proven anything, you're just saying "WELL that doesn't count". Proof is like when I showed you that scientifically, biologically, reasonably, you are inherently wrong in what your definition of male/female is. Facts are facts all the time, not just when they suit your preconceived ideas.

So then tie this into transsexualism. It's okay for people to choose what gender they want to be because there are people out there that are actually born with it and they aren't? That makes it okay? That's called taking advantage.

- - - Updated - - -


"condition"= physical condition like one I mentioned or mental 'condition' (what most people would be called "being born in the wrong body")?

Yeeee sorry for not being clear on this. Condition in this case as in you are born with the wrong organ, have different chromosomes, etc. - a physical (biological) disorder.

[FlyingJesus]

So then tie this into transsexualism. It's okay for people to choose what gender they want to be because there are people out there that are actually born with it and they aren't? That makes it okay? That's called taking advantage.

That's not what I've said or what I think, I have no idea where you're getting this nonsense from or why you're trying to make up arguments that don't exist

[Landon]

That's not what I've said or what I think, I have no idea where you're getting this nonsense from or why you're trying to make up arguments that don't exist

"WELL that doesn't count" We can play that game. Never said that.

Regardless, I'm gonna call it good. I've made my point and I've argued. Probably time to take off. o/

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yeah and a person who's undergone surgery to become a male is male lol, just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue.

But is untrue so just because you don't like biological facts doesn't make your warped reality true.


Also the question was in no way absurd, it's totally valid considering you and Landon have been trying to claim that discomfort is the reasoning behind your daft views, and then you enforced this by talking about how everyone is so totally terrified of tEh GaIz - even your final response (when you gave one) doesn't answer the question. You took an "if" question and basically said X can't be Y because Z isn't Q.

Daft views hahaha what planet are you on.

Virtually the entire world can distinguish male and female apart from a few western lunatics on tumblr.


You need to decide on what your actual REASONING is for not wanting people who do have the same waste organs as you in the same toilet block as you...

Um well it's pretty simple. We divide toilets into male and female, so that means males go into the male one and females into the female one. A bloke with his twig and berries chopped off wearing his mothers lipstick isn't a female so he can't go in the female one.

It really is that simple.


I actually do have a different definition of Biology. To me, if you have XY chromosomes, you're a male. If you have XX chromosomes, you're a female. It's simple to understand. You're not a female if someone cuts off your penis. You're not a male if a doctor builds skin onto a vagina.

Shh! No science allowed here! Don't you know this is all about what people "feelllllllllll" they are?


ok fair point about the tons of makeup but your idea that ALL TRANS PEOPLE can be noticed is absolute bs right

true story time

I was at uni with a girl in my society and we were friends and went out on nights out and had drinks and socialised a fair bit... about 2 years into knowing her I find out she's trans and I was completely thrown, had literally no idea. I would post a pic to prove my point but obviously that's a huge invasion of privacy so no

but what about the other way round? trans men can't exactly hide it with makeup can they?

Yeah but it doesn't matter how good their makeup or hair is they're still a man.

Warwick Davis's makeup as Griphook was fantastic but he's still a human, not a goblin.

[FlyingJesus]

Already shown why the XX/XY argument doesn't work so good job ignoring science (and then hilariously acting as though you're trying to champion it), and you saying "this is what we do" is not a reason for anything. I asked for a REASON for something to be the case, and again you've failed to come up with one.

PS: good job pretending any of this is a Western phenomenon when a huge number of Eastern cultures have for millennia had a strong place for "third gender" and so on which is far more out there than me suggesting that toilet blocks don't need to be segregated