Positive and Reverse Discrimination

[hungryfront]

So I was reading BuzzFeed (don't know why I do as like 20% of their articles are hating on men) so thought I'd start this debate.

Firstly, is positive discrimination right - people are losing out because of what's happened in the past, can't they just make it equal from this point forward? Nobody should be denied a job because of their gender, including men. Same way a lot of extreme feminists (I KNOW IT'S A MINORITY OF FEMINISTS DON'T WORRY) want to oppress men for something that happened before most of us were born.

Secondly, can you discriminate against majorities AKA reverse racism, sexism etc. I think you definitely can as nowhere does it say racism or sexism is based on a system of depression. If you target me for being a man, it's sexist.

Thoughts?

[-:Undertaker:-]

By identity politics own logic of punishing or rewarding for the past by each identity group, I and every other British white male should be entitled to jobs/free stuff around the world for all we've done. If anything, my group is owed a living not the other way round.

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It's high-time the straight white male was given reparations by every other minority group for all the wonderful inventions, science, medicine, engineering and law he came up with and exported around the world for the last 500 years.

[Landon]

I don't think reverse discrimination should be a thing at all if that makes sense.

You can support groups that have been put down in the past. But you certainly should not turn it straight around and go ballistic on the groups that did so whilst throwing together an emotional army for the group you are reverse discriminating.

[peteyt]

So I was reading BuzzFeed (don't know why I do as like 20% of their articles are hating on men) so thought I'd start this debate.

Firstly, is positive discrimination right - people are losing out because of what's happened in the past, can't they just make it equal from this point forward? Nobody should be denied a job because of their gender, including men. Same way a lot of extreme feminists (I KNOW IT'S A MINORITY OF FEMINISTS DON'T WORRY) want to oppress men for something that happened before most of us were born.

Secondly, can you discriminate against majorities AKA reverse racism, sexism etc. I think you definitely can as nowhere does it say racism or sexism is based on a system of depression. If you target me for being a man, it's sexist.

Thoughts?

I was thinking about something similar earlier. You may have came across my article debating a female doctor. It seems to me many of the over the top feminists base their arguments on the past like men cannot complain about sexism because they didn't suffer like the females with no rights did many years ago. They seem to make demands based on this past even though now there isn't really a massive divide.

[Landon]

I was thinking about something similar earlier. You may have came across my article debating a female doctor. It seems to me many of the over the top feminists base their arguments on the past like men cannot complain about sexism because they didn't suffer like the females with no rights did many years ago. They seem to make demands based on this past even though now there isn't really a massive divide.

You make a good point. Reminds me of the black lives matter movement. They're using claims like we need to suffer because of how we treated them years and years ago. Slavery was not a good thing, I am in agreement! But we weren't even alive at that time.. Why are we the ones that suffer for it?

[Empired]

There should be no discrimination, positive or otherwise. We are all human beings when it comes down to it and I believe that's all there should be to it.

The only way we can put a stop to inequality is to put all our past differences behind us. Men owe women nothing, women owe men nothing, etc.

[Landon]

There should be no discrimination, positive or otherwise. We are all human beings when it comes down to it and I believe that's all there should be to it.

The only way we can put a stop to inequality is to put all our past differences behind us. Men owe women nothing, women owe men nothing, etc.

Someone understands! If only this would happen. God would our society be amazing.

[hungryfront]

Yeah, I feel we're kinda being blamed for things we weren't alive for. My mother described it as a pendulum on a clock - it was one side and now it's swinging the other side when it needs to be in the middle.

I always come across the argument "women have been disadvantaged for years," - cool story and sorry about that but nobody should be put at a disadvantage for getting a job including their gender and that includes me.

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[peteyt]

There should be no discrimination, positive or otherwise. We are all human beings when it comes down to it and I believe that's all there should be to it.

The only way we can put a stop to inequality is to put all our past differences behind us. Men owe women nothing, women owe men nothing, etc.

I also think people need to realise it will never fully die. Racism and sexism and other similar things will always exist in some form or another and I think quite a few people don't realise this and want to remove it for good. I'm not saying we shouldn't try and change things, but people need to realise it will never fully go away.

[FlyingJesus]

my group
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straight white male

cough cough :P

But yeah obviously discrimination for whatever reason is not useful to society as a whole, it can easily mean that people who are best qualified for a position are overlooked or even forcibly turned away from it, which is ridiculous. Past atrocities can't be attributed to present population - does the grandson of the lorry driver who killed my grandfather before I was even born owe me a life? Of course not, and where would it even end? Does everyone descended from Cain owe everyone descended from Abel?