UK General Election 2017 Megathread

[lemons]

That can't be correct, what?!

probs will be wrong similar things were predicted in 2015

northern irish seats thing is also a typo appaz

[MKR&*42]

If anyone's interested:

The latest line-up for extra election programmes:

Sun 28 May, 18:00: Andrew Neil interview with Nicola Sturgeon (BBC1)
Mon 29 May, 19:30: Andrew Neil interview with Paul Nuttall (BBC1)
Mon 29 May, 20:30: Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn (Sky News and Channel 4)
Wed 31 May, 1930: BBC debate with key figures from seven parties (BBC1)
Thu 1 June 19:00: Andrew Neil interview with Tim Farron (BBC1)
Fri 2 June, 20:30: Question Time with Theresa May (BBC1)
Sun 4 June, 18:00: Question Time with Nicola Sturgeon and Tim Farron (BBC1)
Sun 4 June, 22:35: Election Questions with Paul Nuttall and Jonathan Bartley (BBC1 England, 22:05 in Wales)
Sun 4 June, 23:35: Election Questions with Leanne Wood (BBC1 England, 22:35 in Wales)
Tue 6 June, 2030: BBC Newsbeat youth debate (Radio 1 and News Channel, later on BBC1)
Thu 8 June, 2155: Rolling coverage for results on BBC1 and News Channel through the evening and across Friday
Fri 9 June, 2100: Additional Question Time

Debate tonight init

Labour still haven't announced who they're sending for crying out loud.

inb4 good ol' Diane

[-:Undertaker:-]

That YouGov projection would mean another election within months.

Try putting the numbers together to make coalitions (working majority = 321) and it doesn't work.

Tory + DUP = 318
Tory + Liberal Democrats = 320

Labour + SNP = 307
Labour + SNP + Liberal Democrats = 317

Disaster.

[MKR&*42]

It looks as if Corbyn himself will be attending the debate tonight; good move on his behalf I'd say.

And I agree^ an outcome like that is incredibly undesireable, especially when we're meant to be navigating our way out of the EU.

[lemons]

yessss jezza!! DESTROY HER!!!! amber rudd is going to be absolutely rinsed

[FlyingJesus]

It's a good move for him because he has nothing to lose and his hordes of fans don't even care what he says they'll cheer anyway like the other night, so he's definitely going to look like the top contender tonight


Sun 4 June, 18:00: Question Time with Nicola Sturgeon and Tim Farron (BBC1)
Sun 4 June, 22:35: Election Questions with Paul Nuttall and Jonathan Bartley (BBC1 England, 22:05 in Wales)
Sun 4 June, 23:35: Election Questions with Leanne Wood (BBC1 England, 22:35 in Wales)

Oh good a day off with nothing important happening

[MKR&*42]

Barry is so fucking funny sometimes:

https://twitter.com/JakeWiafe/status/869848994272362497

"HOW MANY CORNFLAKES DOES 6.8 PENCE BUY YOU KAREN?!"

[Martin]

Barry is so **** funny sometimes:

https://twitter.com/JakeWiafe/status/869848994272362497

"HOW MANY CORNFLAKES DOES 6.8 PENCE BUY YOU KAREN?!"


Her reaction was hilarious! :P She had no idea what to say!

[FlyingJesus]

This "debate" on tv atm is awful, literally no-one is actually answering any of the questions being put to them and just saying their pre-written bits over and over

[MKR&*42]

It is quite a mess.

But I am loving Caroline Lucas tbh she's such a sweetheart.

[MKR&*42]

Crikey this really is everyone attack the tories

I'm loving it

[FlyingJesus]

Are you kidding Lucas is the worst of them she's the 14 year old who just discovered politics


OMF FARRON'S CLOSING STATEMENT only good thing he's ever done in his life

[MKR&*42]

Leave her alone she's a sweet old lady! Much better than whatever her face was (the previous leader - Natalie something?) :(

Farron's end statement was fucking hilarious.

Tbh most of that was pretty shit but I did enjoy the tory hate because they quite rightly deserved most​ of it.

[FlyingJesus]

They're all useless 4real, sad times when the SNP guy is the one making the most sense. Also truly worrying some of the people on my facebook absolutely gushing about Corbyn as though he's their bf, I get it it's cool to hate the Tories but idolising a sub par politician just because he speaks well is dangerous

[-:Undertaker:-]

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I was at a city outdoor bar yesterday, hipster type place, and girl and lad behind the bar got caught up in me and my mate talking about Corbyn. They got quite upset I was voting Tory, girl said she'd not yet met *anyone* voting Tory. The echo chamber.

[Lewis]

only started watching at Tim Farron's little story about a chinese man being racially abused and getting called a terrorist, basically saying we should ignore immigration issues because of this

how did that even get a clap and what am I watching

[-:Undertaker:-]

only started watching at Tim Farron's little story about a chinese man being racially abused and getting called a terrorist, basically saying we should ignore immigration issues because of this

how did that even get a clap and what am I watching

I didn't watch but a lot of people saying how left wing the audience was. Whenever support for mass immigration is given a thunderous applause, you know the audience isn't in the slightest bit reflective of the Great British public.

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[Lewis]

Am I not watching this live oops, perhaps I'm a bit late lol

[-:Undertaker:-]

A new YouGov out tonight putting Labour *just three points* behind the Conservatives.

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I guess we'll know which pollsters modelling is right come election day! :P I don't think we've ever seen this huge variation.

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If May loses this election she'll not even have served a year as PM....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom_by_t enure

[MKR&*42]

The audience was chosen by a polling company (can't recall which one - ComRes I think, it was not YouGov) so it should have been representative based on voting intentions. Of course the downside to doing that is that ... we're really not going to know the results as much as we poll. I am sure it was just the fact the left-wing section of the audience were much more vocal than the right, and I'm not too sure many of the right-wing audience were happy with how Rudd was answering some of the questions.

So yes I do believe this is people just being salty (I mean is it that shocking that Corbyn supporters or Eco-warriors are going to be the vocal ones? :P) but it would be interesting for the polling company to give the breakdown of the audience.

To credit Rudd tbh she did the best she could have in that situation; May would have crumbled.

And 3%? Crikey. I still don't believe it, I expect the conservatives to get a huge majority.

[FlyingJesus]

Although I personally don't want Corbachev in power I have to say it's remarkable just how hard May seems to be trying to lose this election. Alienating people with talk about fox hunting (which had no possible bonus for her) was one thing but refusing to show up for events is quite another. Sure, if she had been there it'd be hell for her because it's always easiest to criticise those already in charge, but still it doesn't do anything for her image hiding away

[MKR&*42]

Some guy on Victoria Derbyshire the other day said 'May's losing on purpose as part of a conspiracy, so that Labour will win and they'll have to negotiate Brexit and after they negotiate a terrible deal, we'll all end up voting conservative again for generations!' - maybe that's why ;)

I too am astounded with how she's ran this entire thing.

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Lmao also if any of you watched the reaction to the debate afterwards (on BBC News) you'd have seen a ... not-so-sober Emily Thornberry. It turns out that Damian Green was actually meant to be debating her but then ended up refusing to do so, and so she walked onto the live interview the BBC were doing with him to have the debate and I genuinely applaud her for the guts she had to do that, but God what a dick move.

[lemons]

3% woweeee

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the host of the debate was really bad imo she would get 1 q from audience and somehow turn it into 5 unrealted different questions

[-:Undertaker:-]

SurveyMonkey for The Sun tonight also showing a narrowing of the gap. :shifty:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3692220/theresa-mays-poll-lead-tightens-to-six-points-but-she-remains-on-course-to-win-election-sun-survey-reveals/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/kh-graph-poll-21.jpg?strip=all&w=750&quality=100

[FlyingJesus]

Some guy on Victoria Derbyshire the other day said 'May's losing on purpose as part of a conspiracy, so that Labour will win and they'll have to negotiate Brexit and after they negotiate a terrible deal, we'll all end up voting conservative again for generations!' - maybe that's why ;)

That's been a theory ever since the election was called :P Labour stans claiming that it's her way of running off into the sunset, as though simply standing down isn't an option. Am starting up my own party I've already got a couple of things for the manifesto that I reckon will win me an election

[MKR&*42]

That's been a theory ever since the election was called :P Labour stans claiming that it's her way of running off into the sunset, as though simply standing down isn't an option. Am starting up my own party I've already got a couple of things for the manifesto that I reckon will win me an election

Oh really? Strange how I never came across it beforehand haha :P

[FlyingJesus]

Yeah well not in papers really but on fb from people who think that somehow having all their friends thinking the same way as them means that they're right about everything lol

[lemons]

My local Labour candidate just knocked on our door and I had a very nice chat with him! Very down to earth and actually cared about local issues unlike our current Tory MP

[MKR&*42]

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Soz about the cringey twitter account but gotta love that ITV reporter.

[lemons]

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[-:Undertaker:-]

The more I read on YouGov's modelling and methodology in terms of 18 to 24 age turnout the more sceptical I am.

https://medium.com/@chrishanretty/labours-reliance-on-non-voters-9f88c516310a

[AgnesIO]

At present, I plan to spoil my ballot.

I cannot support Corbyn's policies (as much as no tuition fees would be wonderful); I don't view them as viable, nor fair.

However, I will not vote for the Conservative's if they spend the next week purely trying to attack Corbyn. They've made an absolute disaster of this campaign, and their marketing team should be ashamed of their efforts.

[lemons]

I don't view them as viable, nor fair.



not fair for who

[AgnesIO]

not fair for who

Those of us that have worked hard to earn more than our parents - the middle earners, the £40,000-70,000 people. Socialism isn't a fair system, even if the extreme left like to think it is.

[lemons]

Those of us that have worked hard to earn more than our parents - the middle earners, the £40,000-70,000 people. Socialism isn't a fair system, even if the extreme left like to think it is.

And budget cuts leading to increased food bank usage is fair?

Income Tax will increase for those earning over £80k which is about 5% of the population

Seems fair to me!


Under Labour’s plans, 95 per cent of taxpayers will be guaranteed no increase in their income tax contributions and everyone will be protected from any increase in personal National Insurance contributions and VAT. Only the top 5 per cent of earners will be asked to contribute more in tax

[FlyingJesus]

Why is it fair to put the burden on people who are already paying far more? Why is it fair to say that everyone in the future can have a free degree while those who've paid for several years of education get nothing and have their degree devalued? Why is it fair to bait impressionable youths with promises of freebies while openly demonising those you're going to force to pay for it all?

[lemons]

I'd happily pay for my degree so far and the rest of it if it means people after me get to study for free! Can't see how your degree can be devalued unless you do nothing with it or do a shit subject with no good prospects :Innocent:

The Tories have demonised youths for the past 7 years - yes because of low turnout - doesn't make it fair :o




On BREXIT I don't see how the Conservatives can make a better success of it than Labour... ultimately it will be the EU setting out what's what!

[-:Undertaker:-]

The Tories have demonised youths for the past 7 years - yes because of low turnout - doesn't make it fair :o

Not sure exactly how youths have been demonised, unless you're referring to tuition fees which Labour came up with the idea in the first place(!). I certainly don't want to be paying own degree off and *on top* of that paying for everybody else's via tax to be free. Fairness to me is you take out a student loan and pay your own tuition fee off.


On BREXIT I don't see how the Conservatives can make a better success of it than Labour... ultimately it will be the EU setting out what's what!

That's totally back to front. The white paper the Conservatives published, along with their manifesto, pledges that we'll be out of the Single Market and the Customs Union... thus no longer subject to the European Court of Justice meaning we're no longer subject to what the EU sets out. Labour on the other hand are all over the place on this - anything other than the Tory/Ukip position on this means following EU orders.

The fact David Davis and Liam Fox - two leading Brexiteers for a number of years - are leading the two Brexit departments is reassuring too. Believe me, after fighting the Tories for years on this and then winning I was looking for any tricks they could possibly play on me.. but from the appointments to the white paper to the manifesto, it is air tight. Full withdrawal. I wouldn't be lending them my vote for this General Election is there was any chance of the European Union continuing to set out our affairs for us.


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[lemons]

I know Labour introduced fees but I think 3k was an acceptable price and even if JC was offering 6k I'd be happy. I'd even be happy with the system they have in Wales where they have tuition fees and grants like there is (was) for living costs in England. I'll be leaving uni with a debt of 54k which completely puts me off doing a masters some days

We voted to leave the EU and that's literally it

There is so much uncertainty surrounding Brexit and I think the outcome will be similar eitherway so I see it as one of the least important issues in the election. First priority of Brexit needs to be guaranteeing the rights for EU nationals here and UK nationals in the EU! My brother who has lived in Germany for years is already being asked by his workplace about his status and is considering renouncing his British citizenship.

Lib Dems are being dumb though do they really think Remainers are going to back a second referendum? Bye! I voted remain let's just get it over and done with

[FlyingJesus]

Can't see how your degree can be devalued

Because everyone will have one, it'll be the new A level and people will have to be in education eeeeeven longer to stand out


In other news this is hilarious:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBLzsCJW0AAJGKm.jpg

[AgnesIO]

And budget cuts leading to increased food bank usage is fair?

Income Tax will increase for those earning over £80k which is about 5% of the population

Seems fair to me!

No, it's wrong. Disgusting, even. That doesn't mean we go to the opposite end of the scale and punish people for their success.

[MKR&*42]

Wow I mean.

Why would they even put the percentages on there I mean cmon, lying 101.

[FlyingJesus]

TECHNICALLY it's a podium but the way they've drawn it it's clearly meant to look like a bar graph

[lemons]

Because everyone will have one, it'll be the new A level and people will have to be in education eeeeeven longer to stand out


Just because university could be free/cheaper doesn't mean every BTEC Barry is going to be applying to uni + A levels are already difficult enough and act as a filter to the unis people can apply. Records amount of people are already going to university and doing masters degrees instead of going down vocational routes yet fees are now over £9k!

[FlyingJesus]

Yeah and already we're seeing people getting absolutely nothing from their degrees and employers preferring work experience because of how many graduates are around willing to take whatever

[lemons]

ye well don't do media studies or sports at london met and you'll be fine :)

[-:Undertaker:-]

Ipsos Mori out this morning...

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Important to note if you put this into the Electoral Calculus, you get a Tory majority of 20 seats (+5 on 2015).

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[MKR&*42]

You kinda touched on this in your post there^ but for the first time, more people are dissatisfied with May than satisfied.

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[AgnesIO]

Just because university could be free/cheaper doesn't mean every BTEC Barry is going to be applying to uni + A levels are already difficult enough and act as a filter to the unis people can apply. Records amount of people are already going to university and doing masters degrees instead of going down vocational routes yet fees are now over £9k!

Record amounts are only able to do degrees due to fees being trebled. Universities can afford to do it now as the floodgates were opened by the Government on places, allowing then to offer more and more students the opportunity. Numbers will surely have to be cut if tuition is free?

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Can't see May staying for too long after this election. They may well increase their majority, but I can't see a whitewash.

Conservatives will have to be very careful with the levels of austerity if Corbyn stays (in the event of a Conservative majority); the left will continue to rise.

[lemons]

Liar Liar protest song against Theresa May by Captain Ska makes the Official Singles Chart Top 5


Liar Liar, the song criticising Prime Minster Theresa May by Captain Ska has made its debut on the Official Singles Chart.

The track enters at Number 4 on this week's Top 40, giving the seven-piece London band this week's highest new entry.

Liar Liar has been scaling the Official Chart all week, ahead of the General Election on June 8. The song was originally released in 2010 in response to the coalition government, but band recorded a new version of their track that includes soundbites from several of May’s speeches and the lyrics: “She’s a liar liar, you can’t trust her, no, no, no”.

Sales of Liar Liar are being driven by downloads, with 42,000 people picking up a digital download of the track this week, while the song has so far been streamed just over 300,000 times.

The song's music video, which includes statistics on UK poverty levels and references to school and police cuts, is now has almost two million views on YouTube.

http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/liar-liar-protest-song-against-theresa-may-by-captain-ska-makes-the-official-singles-chart-top-5__19328/

[MKR&*42]

A rare appearance, Theresa May will actually be facing the public in 15 minutes on QT on BBc 1

Just being sarky but no she is - leader's 1.5 hour long special

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I hope there's reaction coverage afterwards because I want to see Thornberry tipsy af again.

[MKR&*42]

D'ya know what guys nvm don't even watch it, she's doing her typical approach of not answering questions and just saying 'brexit' every second sentence.

[lemons]

jajaja she hasn't answered a single question properly and this will probably damage her more than the debate the other day would have

[FlyingJesus]

There's surely no way that she isn't actively trying to lose now

[MKR&*42]

For God sake is she really being given 20 minutes on Brexit? Where is the discussion on the NHS, Education, Immigration, Social Care, Housing etc.? Seriously this is ridiculous.

I really wish this entire campaign hadn't been made entirely about Brexit because there are far more important issues at home.

[lemons]

Ooooh gosh lol Jeremy Corbyn crumbling a bit over nuclear weapons but the lady after all that made a very good point... it is shocking to see so many people supportive of the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent ppl!

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[MKR&*42]

Yes I'd completely lost faith in humanity until that girl got a thunderous applause for what she said. It's ridiculous how quickly people want to resort to firing a nuke at any tom, dick and harry.

But he is certainly dodging many questions

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Lmao, this is from twitter - love it:


Audience: How dare you not condemn the IRA killers!
Audience: How dare you not be prepared to kill millions of people!

[lemons]

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[lawrawrrr]

I don't particularly love Corbyn since he's become leader but in the last week I feel like he's so stepped up his game! If he did get leader, would he fade back into obscurity like he did leading up to the election and just create more chaos though? That's the real worry IMO.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Ooooh gosh lol Jeremy Corbyn crumbling a bit over nuclear weapons but the lady after all that made a very good point... it is shocking to see so many people supportive of the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent ppl!


Yes I'd completely lost faith in humanity until that girl got a thunderous applause for what she said. It's ridiculous how quickly people want to resort to firing a nuke at any tom, dick and harry.

You both must've been watching a different debate to the clips of the one I just saw on the news covering Trident. I must unknowingly support a nuclear war given I support Trident as does the majority of the public, or is it really the case that supporting a nuclear deterrent doesn't actually mean that you *want* a nuclear exchange but that in the event of one the country should have the ability to respond?

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It is satisfying to see Corbyn being kicked about over defence and security because as pointed out by Hannan...

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I don't particularly love Corbyn since he's become leader but in the last week I feel like he's so stepped up his game! If he did get leader, would he fade back into obscurity like he did leading up to the election and just create more chaos though? That's the real worry IMO.

Given Labour are nowhere near a parliamentary majority, for him to become PM would likely result in a 3-party coalition of Labour, the SNP and a Northern Irish republican party or the Liberal Democrats. On top of the parties literally pulling the nation apart given that's the main aim of the SNP and SDLP/Sinn Fein, you'd then have the fact the PM and the Cabinet wouldn't even agree on major issues like Trident with the rest of the parliamentary Labour Party.

The only redeeming thing about a Corbyn government is that it would be funny given you couldn't write it as a comedy script.

[scottish]

The only redeeming thing about a Corbyn government is that it would be funny given you couldn't write it as a comedy script.

Trump all over again.

[-:Undertaker:-]

A lot of debate on Trident tonight with social media.

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What I have always found most strange about the anti-Trident lot, including Jeremy Corbyn and the SNP, is that the very same people who want to abolish Britain's independent nuclear deterrent are often the very same people who are most critical of American foreign policy, American Presidents and Britain's relationship with America.

Have none of them ever engaged in a bit of critical thinking and logic as to think who a disarmed Britain would then have to rely on for nuclear security? Uh... the United States of America!

[lemons]

Lots of polls due today

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[-:Undertaker:-]

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Lots of polls due today

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Christmas come early.

I was laughing to myself earlier how HxF mulls over political polling. Is there a Habbo forum like it? :P

[lemons]

it's just a bit of banter I remember in hxhd in 2015 how shook everyone was when the exit poll said tory majority loooool good times

[-:Undertaker:-]

I think i'll sit in HxHD this election, who is going?

Couldn't do with the referendum as felt like everything I did would jinx it. Sat quietly drinking brandy and waiting!

[scottish]

You'll jynx it and SNP will win.

[-:Undertaker:-]

GE is nothing to that referendum. :P

I'd live through a lifetime of Labour-SNP coaliton to have got that result last June.

[MKR&*42]

I swear to God this election is probably going to be the end of YouGov's credibility:



3rd June updated seat estimates:

Conservatives: 308
Labour: 261
SNP: 47
Lib Dem: 10
Green: 1

https://yougov.co.uk/uk-general-election-2017/

[scottish]

Aren't both against Trident?

[lemons]

jajaja yougov is on drugs

one of the seats they are predicting cons will lose to labour is mine and I can assure you it will be conservative as it has been for a long time

also even with those seat projections labour + snp + lib dems do not have enough seats so it's safe to say any coalition this election will be conservatives + other parties and not labour

[-:Undertaker:-]

Two polls out so far this evening with both giving what still equates to a Tory majority.

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And...

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[lawrawrrr]

Given Labour are nowhere near a parliamentary majority, for him to become PM would likely result in a 3-party coalition of Labour, the SNP and a Northern Irish republican party or the Liberal Democrats. On top of the parties literally pulling the nation apart given that's the main aim of the SNP and SDLP/Sinn Fein, you'd then have the fact the PM and the Cabinet wouldn't even agree on major issues like Trident with the rest of the parliamentary Labour Party.

The only redeeming thing about a Corbyn government is that it would be funny given you couldn't write it as a comedy script.

realistically I doubt it'll happen until the next GE at least but theoretically interesting to consider. Especially if he refuses to step down if they lose (which he's said he'll do).

[lemons]

holy molys!

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[MKR&*42]

Obligatory gif:

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[lemons]

im a lil bit shook! this election is gunna end the careers of not only JC or TM but also some pollsters

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[lemons]

Tory leads

Survation +1
YouGov +4
Opinium +6
ORB +9
ICM +11
ComRes +12


LOOL! Crazy

[lawrawrrr]

Obligatory gif:

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i snorted so hard i hurt my throat

[-:Undertaker:-]

Lmao. There's something for everyone in tonight's polls then.

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The averages.

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All gonna come down to who turns out on the day.

[FlyingJesus]

Tom's WILD PREDICTION which you are not allowed to hold me to if I'm wrong but if I'm right I will gloat about: the % vote to be ridic close but Conservatives to smash it in terms of seats because angry little kids in Tory areas aren't gonna make the difference, but Commisar Corbyn will carry on clinging to his place as leader for as long as he can until the Labour MPs who actually want to win force another vote of no confidence

[lemons]

Hmm yes I agree FJ but I can't see Tories gaining more than 25 seats - which will still be a flop for TM

[MKR&*42]

Legit there is no way May is coming out of this good unless she achieves 100+ seats majority, because she has performed so poorly and so many of her own party are livid with her (and can't seem to even agree with her - is the immigration target within 5 years? who knows. is there going to be a freeze on taxes? who fucking knows because one conservative says one thing and another says something wildly different - tbh this criticism extends to labour also).

In interesting news, this is the first time ever that Corbyn hasn't been viewed as performing worse than May.

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[FlyingJesus]

Not that it'd happen (or if it did, wouldn't happen with genuine results) but would be interesting to know how many each of the leader's MPs approve of them at the moment. Both must have a huge number of dissatisfied staff under them

[MKR&*42]

That would legit be very interesting but of course, unfortunately never going to happen :P

The top trending video on YouTube atm is one of a speech in which Amber Rudd passes a note to the Chairman of the debate, which assumingly asks him something like stopping a speech someone is giving about the sales of weapons to Saudi Arabia [i...wonder...why]. I mean this is absolutely baffling that she's being allowed to do that and another clear example of right-wing censorship.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEcMW6RmC_w&feature=youtu.be

[FlyingJesus]

Corbyn's called for Theresa May to resign, how WILD. Not sure she'll listen to one mental opposition guy when he refused to listen to 172 of his own MPs (75%) who wanted him gone

[MKR&*42]

Lmao yes I saw that, how ridiculous.

Another day another crazy YouGov seat estimate:



CON 305 (-3),
LAB 268 (+7),
LIB 13 (+3),
SNP 42(-5)

The loss is compared to the ones from theeee 3rd? or 2nd of June

[-:Undertaker:-]

Rumours on social media that the government is looking at a burqa ban.

Would win the Conservatives the election hands down if they go for it. Very popular and would be strong motivator to go and vote.

[scottish]

Come on labour only 37 seats to go.

[-:Undertaker:-]

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The Conservatives got 11.3m votes in 2015. With an extra 2m Ukip votes they'll get around 13.3m this time round.

The good thing about Labour polling higher with the Tories purely reliant on Ukip votes for their lead and potential majority means that we'll have more leverage in what direction the government goes over the course of the next Parliament. There's a reason the manifesto contains a full Brexit with grammar schools. Retaining those voters (and thus power) will depend on the results of pledges vs what we get. For post-Brexit 2022 GE i'd like to see ECHR withdrawal and a burqa ban in the next manifesto.

AKA don't try and take my vote for granted because you won't be fooling me more than once.

[lemons]

so excited for thursday night! but if the exit poll shows a landslide I doubt I will stay up all night

[FlyingJesus]

The Conservatives got 11.3m votes in 2015. With an extra 2m Ukip votes they'll get around 13.3m this time round.

That's assuming everyone else votes the same way they did before, which I don't think is entirely the case

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[lemons]

it's here folks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7iUYWMD77w

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lol i love that gif it floods the britainelects mentions when it's a good poll for labour

[MKR&*42]

D'ya know what, honestly thank fucking God this is over in 2 days.

Final polls are out tomorrow (well.. now today technically)... if there are any being done.

[-:Undertaker:-]

@Intersocial (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=86637); Agreed, just hoping not a hung parliament with another vote in the autumn. Get Brexit underway.

An Opinium out just now, could well be the last from this pollster this election.

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A good video from the Conservatives, I shared on Facebook. This is what the campaign should have been more like, talking about the positives and great future Britain has ahead of her now that we're to be an independent and self-governing country.

Tagged my friend, trying to get him out to vote (he would vote Tory - former Ukip, Leaver - if he does). My Nan, a Tory all her life but Ukip in recent years, has sent off her postal. As have rest of family - all returning to the Tory fold for first time in years.

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To think, this will be the first General Election in 45 years - and in my lifetime - that our votes will actually count and matter.

[lemons]

Dianne Abbot no longer taking part in the Labour Campaign due to illness, shadow minister Lyn Brown is to stand in for Ms Abbott

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40184826

Wouldn't be surprised if she is ill after all the shit she has received but ultimately she should have never been shadow home sec in the first place

[scottish]

Hasn't been posted yet I don't believe


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7iUYWMD77w

10/10

vote labour

[lemons]

everyone be in hxhd tomorrow for the 10pm exit poll

[-:Undertaker:-]

ICM final poll of the election just out now. Would give 100 seat majority.

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[MKR&*42]

Found this rather interesting:

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Here's the final YouGov out!!! YouGov are the pollster which have had the race closest, the one people were freaking out about.

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[MKR&*42]

Final TNS poll also (pretty sure this is now final poll completely until exit poll):

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Poor lib dems. It's a shame really, because I do feel there is a place for a liberal party in the UK - if only they i) hadn't gone into coalition with the conservatives and ii) had a different leader.

Rumours on the block are that Clegg might lose his seat if Labour have managed to capture enough of the student vote; so Sheffield Hallam should make for an interesting vote tomorrow.

[FlyingJesus]

http://i.imgur.com/3fPPGJU.png

I got bored

[MKR&*42]

I lied about it being the final poll, there's this one from Survation

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And this from BMG

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Both released a few mins ago.

I can't wait to see which polling company's gonna get such a shitstorm.

[-:Undertaker:-]

@FlyingJesus (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24753);

HAHAHA THAT'S BOSS!!! :P

ps can i spread it on the internet via meme pages i love it xx
Intersocial;

All the leads.

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[lemons]

Final TNS poll also (pretty sure this is now final poll completely until exit poll):

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Poor lib dems. It's a shame really, because I do feel there is a place for a liberal party in the UK - if only they i) hadn't gone into coalition with the conservatives and ii) had a different leader.

Rumours on the block are that Clegg might lose his seat if Labour have managed to capture enough of the student vote; so Sheffield Hallam should make for an interesting vote tomorrow.

i probs wouldve voted lib dems if they didnt have such a dumb position on brexit

[MKR&*42]

@FlyingJesus (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24753);

HAHAHA THAT'S BOSS!!! :P

ps can i spread it on the internet via meme pages i love it xx
@Intersocial (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=86637);

All the leads.

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Are Ispos even allowed to post it now seeing as you can't do that on polling day (or is it just from when the voting actually begins)?

And yeah lemons I think a lot of people have been put off by that. It was rather risky of them to offer it and it hasn't paid off.

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As far as I know, there's no legal barriers on when you can publish polls in Britain.

I could be wrong but I have not heard of any. Didn't YouGov post that 52 Remain - 48 Leave on polling evening itself? And Cameron's pollster Populous predicted a 10% Remain win in their last poll, but not sure whether it was made public.

[MKR&*42]

Ah okay. I assumed that polls might have possibly come under the rule of not allowing any kind of political campaigning/promotion tomorrow (well..today now) :P

[buttons]

my vote is done.. not that it will make a difference for me in scotland with SNP but just wanna show that SNP isn't everyones choice

[Neversoft]

Where I work is currently a polling station and I was low-key told to 'take one for the team' in case of at terrorist threat. Haven't seen many voting yet. Wonder what the turnout will be like.

[buttons]

Where I work is currently a polling station and I was low-key told to 'take one for the team' in case of at terrorist threat. Haven't seen many voting yet. Wonder what the turnout will be like.
lool RIP :(

[MKR&*42]

http://newsthump.com/2017/06/08/theresa-may-unveils-final-major-u-turn-of-election-by-voting-labour/ ;)


Theresa May unveils final major U-turn of election by voting Labour

Theresa May has waited until election day to unveil perhaps her most significant U-turn yet, after announcing outside her local polling station that she has voted labour.

In an unusual change of stance, the Prime Minister has reassured those intending to vote Conservative, that just because she happens to have sided with the main opposition party, doesn’t make her any less of a credible leader.

“It’s not the sort of tactical move we normally see in the political sphere,” said political analyst Simon Williams.

“As a general rule of thumb, most if not all party leaders running in the general elections throughout history have tended to vote for themselves.

“But I suppose when she’s already performed a one-eighty on remaining in the EU, promising to freeze energy prices, the dementia tax and saying she wouldn’t call a general election, then a complete reversal on her deeply held political ideologies isn’t a total shock to the system.”

A Conservative spokesman defended Theresa May’s decision, explaining that it was just the kind of strong and stable U-turn the Prime Minister has been continuously executing throughout her limited time as Prime Minister.

“Particularly on election day, it would have been grossly inconsistent for the Prime Minister to do a U-turn on performing last minute U-turns, and no doubt the British people will see through Jeremy Corbyn’s selfish decision to vote for the same party he’s actually leading.”

Found it slightly amusing :P

Just gone and voted in the pouring rainnn. My seat has like the 67th biggest majority though (out of 650...) so I've got literally no intention on hoping for it to be anything but conservative - if you want to see where yours lies then look at here http://www.politicsresources.net/area/uk/ge15/maj.htm

[lemons]

Just voted for my local Labour candidate! Hoping the Portillo moment of 1997 can be repeated :)

[Charlie]

I went and voted Labour. This is the first time I've voted in a general election which is bad I know, but I always just felt like my vote probably wouldn't count but every little helps, I guess!

[FlyingJesus]

Where I work is currently a polling station and I was low-key told to 'take one for the team' in case of at terrorist threat. Haven't seen many voting yet. Wonder what the turnout will be like.

Will get lots of late voters in the evening after work I expect, in any case hope you don't get blown up x

[MKR&*42]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTbs98ZL6z8

[FlyingJesus]

"Jeremy Corbyn is right in his sights, unless he'd rather go for... yep, Boris Johnson would rather completely ignore Jeremy Corbyn and go for the EU residents and children instead"
"No actually Nick Clegg's managed to fluff it again. God damnit Clegg"
"Oh no, the economy, Nicola Sturgeon's taking a shotgun to it"
Some of this commentary is great, absolutely crying at how shit the Clegg worm is

[lemons]

https://www.habbo.com/hotel?room=71734198

we will be partying in elegance's election room this evening!

[MKR&*42]

Exit poll in 54 minutes!

BBC 1, Sky and ITV doing throughout-the-night coverage and I think Sky's has already started though not really sure what they're gonna say for an hour.

[lemons]

EVERYONE COME ON HABBO!!

[-:Undertaker:-]

i'm bored waiting for it

arghhhhhh i tried getting two mates out for a couple but they're bein bores. might have a glass of red myself sitting on HABBO

[MKR&*42]

This is absolutely astonishing.

Almost all of the polls had it wrong again if this is the case surely.

[-:Undertaker:-]

A disaster if the projections are true. Almost certainly another election in autumn.

[scottish]

what is it

someone post

[-:Undertaker:-]

what is it

someone post

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[Neversoft]

Love the TV drama immediately following an election. Always used to stay up with some alcohol as the votes rolled in.

[FlyingJesus]

I love how for the next few hours they're all just gonna be chatting about more and more guesswork. Ridiculous time

[MKR&*42]

I really wanted to go to sleep early but I guess I'm going to be doing an all-nighter for this eh :P

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If the Exit Poll is more or less right, almost certain we'll have another election and a new PM by end of the year.

On the upside, the SNP looking likely to lose 22 seats. :)

[BlueEyedSarah]

Watching the elections is almost the same adrenalin rush as watching Trump and Clinton ;)

[Lewis]

Watching the elections is almost the same adrenalin rush as watching Trump and Clinton ;)

Nothing can compare to those 100 flip-flops between Dem and Repub for Florida during the night

[-:Undertaker:-]

Why aren't any Remain-supporting Labour voters posting graphs of the Pound Sterling?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB1RZuOWAAUfo6x.jpg

Funny, when the £ went down with Leave they all suddenly became currency experts telling us the end of the world was nigh but now their side is winning the currency markets suddenly don't seem to matter! Funny that, isn't it?

[AgnesIO]

Why aren't any Remain-supporting Labour voters posting graphs of the Pound Sterling?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB1RZuOWAAUfo6x.jpg

Funny, when the £ went down with Leave they all suddenly became currency experts telling us the end of the world was nigh but now their side is winning the currency markets suddenly don't seem to matter! Funny that, isn't it?

They might not be, but I am :p not looking forward to the opening of the markets at all in the morning...

[MKR&*42]

Said this elsewhere, but that swing in Swindon North was very strange. I have noticed a lot of Labour support in recent weeks in Swindon, but it completely bucked the early trend of 'if you voted leave you swung to the conservatives', as Swindon North did vote leave and yet swung to Labour.

This is going to be a hell of a night.

[-:Undertaker:-]

As a Conservative i'm not ready to throw May to the wolves yet, but if her position is untenable after tonight then...

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David Davis would be my choice for PM. Was a Brexiteer and has that way of talking that May lacks.

Thank God Osborne stepped down from Parliament or else he and the Cameroons would be plotting to re-take the party.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Uh oh.

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[lemons]

This exit polls and predictions giving me anxiety!

[-:Undertaker:-]

Hard to see May lasting as PM now. Her authority is shot.

Unless there's a remarkable turn-around tonight, wouldn't be shocked to hear of her resignation before noon tomorrow. Or at least her intention to resign before the autumn and *after* trying to form a govenment. But she's certainly on borrowed time.

Farage is now saying he'll return to frontline politics if Brexit is in any peril. I'm ready to carry on the fight with him if I have to.


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[-:Undertaker:-]

***Senior Ministers are telling the BBC they now expect not to reach a majority. Hung Parliament it is.***

Terrible night for the SNP, the nationalist tide is being pushed right back. Gains for all three Unionist parties.

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The irony now being that the stupid line that Scottish nationalists always used of England 'forcing' a Tory government on Scotland could tonight be reversed to mean that Scotland is 'forcing' a Tory government on England. Politics ay! :P

***Exit polls now been revised up with Tories on 321 seats, four short of maj. DUP holding up next Govt almost certain***

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[Martin]

Aww poor Cleggy. :(

[-:Undertaker:-]

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What a night. What an election!!

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In more good news, Labour's Kate Hoey - leading Brexiteer in Vauxhall, London - survives strong Liberal challenge.

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I said so, looking certain now. Remarkable that, in *under a year* we've now had two Prime Ministers who looked untouchable literally see their premiership crash down in flames in front of them. Politics is a rough game.

Theresa May will go down in history as one of Britain's shortest-serving Prime Ministers. 48th out of 54 to be exact (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom_by_t enure).

[lemons]

WOW

This election has been just so exciting! V glad Tories have been unseated in my area of Southgate and Labour won

[lemons]

Theresa May needs to resign - complete FAILURE

[FlyingJesus]

She ran the whole campaign terribly, when you're doing worse than Diane Abbott you have to go

[lemons]

Labour have increased their majority in Southhampton Test to over 10,000 and


HUNG PARLIAMENT CONFIRMED

[MKR&*42]

I'm not sure if it's announced yet again, cause they're doing a recount, but some Fife region in Scotland keeps being recounted because the last recount had the difference down to a single vote.

It's between Lib Dems and SNP iirc.

Tonight has been very interesting overall.

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Lmfaoo I mean David Dimbleby isn't even being subtle now; "she has TOTALLY FAILED.... TOTAL DISASTER... FELL FLAT".

[FlyingJesus]

If Conservatives get past 313 then with DUP playing ball they still have a very workable "majority" (need 323 not 326 because of Sinn Fein) and will as a party be doing ok, since even with Labour increases the more EU loving SNP have lost so much. Gonna be interesting going forward, but definitely not as bleak by far for the party as it is for May personally

[MKR&*42]

And the result everyone's been waiting for all night x

Caroline Lucas keeps her seat for the greens! :O and every other party decreased their vote % in Brighton Pavilion.

[FlyingJesus]

76.4% turnout in Brighton Pav that is insane

[MKR&*42]

I'm not sure if it's announced yet again, cause they're doing a recount, but some Fife region in Scotland keeps being recounted because the last recount had the difference down to a single vote.

It's between Lib Dems and SNP iirc.

Tonight has been very interesting overall.

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Lmfaoo I mean David Dimbleby isn't even being subtle now; "she has TOTALLY FAILED.... TOTAL DISASTER... FELL FLAT".

This has just been announced, the SNP have won by literally 2 votes

Poor libbys.

[lemons]

Labour held onto Newcastle-under-lyme (my uni seat where there was a LOT of voter issues today) by 30 votes

[lemons]

Richmond Park - 55 votes between Tory Zac Goldsmith (won) and the lib dem candidate

Zac Goldsmith who lost to Sadiq Khan, quit Tories after Heathrow expansion go-ahead

[-:Undertaker:-]

Actually when you examine it, the Tories haven't done badly at all. They've increased their percentage from 37% to 42% which is actually historic for a party of government and in usual circumstances 42% would mean a landslide. The problem is, the system has reverted back to the two major parties so they've actually slipped backwards in terms of seats. That's why we've had some strange results through the night with big names losing out.

It shows the challenge that Labour face, even though they've gone from 31% to 40% of the vote, they're still miles away from a Labour majority. Whilst the Tory vote holds at 40%+ they are blocked from government. And vice versa, but less so. The danger is that, with a new PM and new election in the autumn, the Parliament becomes even more hung and then neither is able to cobble together a working majority. At least for the moment the Tory + DUP combo looks workable with the DUP being quite sensible.

Interesting to note how Northern Ireland has also consolidated itself to two parties.

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My favourite part of the night is seeing Scotland looking similar to the rest of the UK again.

That solid yellow block has been smashed into pieces with splatterings of red, blue and orange. :)

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[MKR&*42]

Almost cannot wait until the next election based on how slim these majorities are.

The only interesting area left really is Kensington. Apparently they've done 2 recounts now, because the result is said to be between 30-50 difference.

[lemons]

Theresa May refusing to resign

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[MKR&*42]

Well that's all the seats done now except Kesington where who fucking knows what'll happen and we now have to wait forever for the result.

Con 318
Lab 261
SNP 35
Lib Dem 12
Green 1
Other: whatever's left except 1 for either lab/con depending on Kesington

[FlyingJesus]

I'd like to see her step down and assume responsibility for how bad she's been over the past couple of weeks but if she doesn't then Corbyn really isn't the right person to criticise her :P

[buttons]

I'm not sure if it's announced yet again, cause they're doing a recount, but some Fife region in Scotland keeps being recounted because the last recount had the difference down to a single vote.

It's between Lib Dems and SNP iirc.

Tonight has been very interesting overall.

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Lmfaoo I mean David Dimbleby isn't even being subtle now; "she has TOTALLY FAILED.... TOTAL DISASTER... FELL FLAT".
2 votes in it, SNP over LD, crazy. such a split within Fife though, although SNP won the vote in my part of Fife again, labour was only slightly behind, conservatives even more so and LD only 5% of the votes, they must have a decent LD candidate in the other part of Fife.

my hometown is now conservative too along with (most) of the north east. not really sure how to explain that but was expected since it happened in local elections too for the first time in a long time. yikes.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The PM is currently at Buckingham Palace requesting The Queen grant permission to form a government.

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Ukip Leader Paul Nuttall announces resignation...

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Corbyn makes me laugh demanding to form an alternative government. Does he not understand the constitution let alone the results of the election which leave his party miles off forming a government? I have to say, I am quite pleased with the DUP coming into government or supplying the government... kind of like a Con-Ukip coalition. Will strengthen Unionism and for once Ulster has the option of a party of government.

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[lemons]

What the fuck possessed Theresa May for her to call an election loool???

I was feeling optimistic about Brexit before all this and now I'm not at all

Don't want a DUP coalition - Theresa May doesn't deserve to stay after this result, not strong nor stable

[MKR&*42]

Hardly anyone has benefited from this election tonight.

May has managed to fuck up and lose seats gg
Farron managed to increase seats but he almost lost his own seat so I don't see how he can remain leader
Sturgeon lost 1/3 of all her seats
UKIP have 0 seats
Greens only have 1 seat still, but majority has increased.

Corbyn is pretty much the only one who's come out of this looking 'good' by not being a total failure.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Watching the students begin to realise they've just single-handedly pulled the government more to the right by having the Tories rely on the Democratic Unionists is quality. The biggest own goal of the century, my atheist/Corbyn-voting mate is having a breakdown. :P

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[lemons]

Can't wait for Labour to win the next election! :D

[-:Undertaker:-]

Can't wait for Labour to win the next election! :D

Not while the Tories have the Ukip firewall keeping them above 40%.

[lemons]

Not while the Tories have the Ukip firewall keeping them above 40%.

They only got 42% and Labour got 40% - a lot of the UKIP vote went back to Labour and that will continue as ppl see how weak and wobbly the Conservatives are who have thrown Brexit into the deep end!

Labour are going to smash it!

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[MKR&*42]

I'm honestly going to say I am absolutely astounded at Diane's result. I genuinely thought if anyone in Labour was to be suffering a loss, it'd be her.

[MKR&*42]

Well all the counting's done now. Kensington has done its 3rd and final recount and Labour have won Kensington (one of the wealthiest constituencies in the country... and also home to the Daily Mail... and has never been labour before... lmao) by 20 votes.

Labour are +30 compared to 2 years ago.

[-:Undertaker:-]

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Absolutely right.

The right of the party should continue to support May in place whilst she delivers Brexit. The Cameroons must be kept well away, if not then they risk plunging the party into civil war and reviving Ukip over night. People like me are supporting the Tory Party at the moment rather like the noose supports the hanged man - at any moment we can pull the lever for the trap door and walk away.

I'm perfectly willing to let them fall to Corbyn's Labour if there's any backtracking. My vote is conditional, not unconditional.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Apparently David Davis had to go to Number 10 after the election to prevent her resigning on the spot.

Developments happening right now show the next 24 hours are critical, if not then new PM.

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I support May - first PM in my lifetime I actually approve of - so hope she can survive. She's fatally weakened though.

[-:Undertaker:-]

ITV's Robert Peston just reporting that the Govt Chief Whip has been sent to Belfast to negotiate a *formal* coalition with the DUP. That would mean a similar set up to the 2010 coalition, meaning DUP MPs hold ministerial office.


Theresa May is trying to persuade the ten DUP MPs to enter into a formal coalition agreement with the Tories, as opposed to a less formal "confidence and supply" arrangement, ministers tell me.

The prime minister has sent a team of officials, led by her chief whip, Gavin Williamson, to Belfast to negotiate the details of an alliance with the DUP.

"A coalition would be much better than a looser alliance", one senior minister said. "We don't want the DUP demanding money for this or that project they fancy every time we need them to support us in a vote. That would be deeply unstable".

"Don't under-estimate the importance of doing the DUP deal" another of Mrs May's colleagues told me. "Without it, I don't see how we govern with any confidence".

Or to put it another way, the deal with the DUP represents life or death both for the new government and for Mrs May as PM.

Mrs May's hope is that in any coalition, the DUP would be satisfied with ministerial jobs at just below cabinet rank. It is not clear whether the DUP would insist on being represented in the cabinet.
@lemons (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=104567);

Most Leavers voted Tory. Believe me, we're not handing Brexit over to Corbyn's circus.

Theresa May got the second most votes *ever* by a political party. It was increased Labour turnout that prevented a landslide.

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If the government falls, a Lab-SNP-Green-Plaid-LD mess could well swing throw the Tories back over Maj territory within months.

[lemons]

I have no doubt that most leavers and 2015 UKIP voters voted Tory but what this election showed is that people care about other issues rather than just Brexit - and now Theresa May has thrown it into jeopardy!

People who voted Labour in this election are not going to change their mind next time round if JC is still running, the Conservative vote will be at risk

[-:Undertaker:-]

PMs closest advisors Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill have just resigned.

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I cannot see her *wanting* to stay on with her staff gone. She's now a zombie PM. I feel bad for her.


I have no doubt that most leavers and 2015 UKIP voters voted Tory but what this election showed is that people care about other issues rather than just Brexit - and now Theresa May has thrown it into jeopardy!

People who voted Labour in this election are not going to change their mind next time round if JC is still running, the Conservative vote will be at risk

I think you're blinded as to how popular Corbyn actually is. Most of the public aren't followers of his cult like the student demographic is, and many will vote Tory simply to keep him away from Number 10. Many of us regard him as off the charts mad.

A retired British man/woman who votes Tory, has flirted with Ukip... is suddenly going to vote for a Marxist to be PM with SNP backing? The fact is that the electorate now is highly polarised and as the election campaign had shown, even though it went really badly for the Conservatives their lead still held up very well. The Conservative voting bloc is currently at a near all-time high.

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Important stat.

[MKR&*42]

Formal coalition with the DUP, lmao.

This will not last.

Can we have a prediction competition on when the next election will be? pls

[-:Undertaker:-]

Formal coalition with the DUP, lmao.

This will not last.

Can we have a prediction competition on when the next election will be? pls

The threat to the government - if formed with DUP support/coalition - is not the DUP itself, it is the divisions in the Conservative Party. If the Cameroons in the party begin to demand a watered down Brexit aka Not a Brexit then the party will go into civil war and Govt will fall. This [Brexit] is the Holy Grail to the right of the party, and after decades of fighting for it we're not letting go.

Thankfully my faction has the upper hand in that even if this chaos all continues, the countdown on leaving the EU treaties has already begun so we'll 'crash out' anyway on terms more favoured by my side if government can't negotiate a deal.

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Not to mention the fact that if the Cameroon faction did somehow take control of the policy and the party again, this would mean Farage returning thus reviving Ukip and depriving the Tories of having enough votes to form a government again. Catch 22.

[MKR&*42]

I agree^ but I do feel that the DUP will not want a hard Brexit, and once you add in the complications of the Scottish Tories who probably won't want a hard Brexit either, then chaos is already looking likely.

In other interesting news, Lib Dems are seeking legal advice over the result in North East Fife (where they lost by only 2 votes): https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/445825/liberal-democrats-taking-legal-advice-north-east-fife-election-result/

In 1997 the conservatives lost by 2 votes in Winchester and they challenged the result at the High Court, on the grounds that there were 54 Ballot papers without an official mark due to the production company - and had those votes been counted then the conservatives would had been won. The High Court accepted the challenge, annulled the result and there was a by-election (of which the conservatives then lost by over 22,000 lol...) - so there is a precedent which might allow them to annul this result as well.

[lemons]

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-vows-oust-theresa-10601306

Jeremy Corbyn vows to oust Theresa May 'within a matter of days' after spectacular election result
The Labour leader has revealed exclusively to the Sunday Mirror that he plans to use the Queen’s Speech as his first opportunity to topple the floundering PM

I don't get how he can do it but who knows!

[lemons]

wooweeee

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[-:Undertaker:-]

Well done and thank you to the DUP for saving us from madness.

[MKR&*42]

Beat me to it lemons :P- and so the downhill tumble begins.

Even in terms of leadership she's now on par with fucking Corbyn:

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And this interesting Survation survey from 10th June says a lot about how people feel really - http://mailchi.mp/survation/post-election-poll-for-the-mail-on-sunday-1118541. Some highlights:


Do you approve or disapprove of Theresa May’s decision to govern with agreed support from the Democratic Unionist Party?
Approve 33%
Disapprove 47%
Don’t know 20%


In light of the General Election result, which of the following is closest to your view?
There should be another General Election this year - 40%
There should not be another General Election this year - 49%
Don’t know 11%

And best of all


Do you agree or disagree with the following statement?
“Theresa May is a strong and stable leader”
Disagree 50%
Don’t know 15%
Agree 36%

[lemons]

Well done and thank you to the DUP for saving us from madness.

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Madness.

[MKR&*42]

Strong and stable announcements from the conservatives I see^.

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I agree^ but I do feel that the DUP will not want a hard Brexit, and once you add in the complications of the Scottish Tories who probably won't want a hard Brexit either, then chaos is already looking likely.

In other interesting news, Lib Dems are seeking legal advice over the result in North East Fife (where they lost by only 2 votes): https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/445825/liberal-democrats-taking-legal-advice-north-east-fife-election-result/

In 1997 the conservatives lost by 2 votes in Winchester and they challenged the result at the High Court, on the grounds that there were 54 Ballot papers without an official mark due to the production company - and had those votes been counted then the conservatives would had been won. The High Court accepted the challenge, annulled the result and there was a by-election (of which the conservatives then lost by over 22,000 lol...) - so there is a precedent which might allow them to annul this result as well.

For this, apparently the Lib Dems are actually seeking legal advice on the grounds of how the recounts happened. What essentially happened was:

- Lib Dems won, then recount was demanded
- Lib Dems won recount, but another recount was demanded
- SNP won 2nd recount, but another recount was demanded
- SNP won 3rd recount, but another recount was demanded
- Lib Dems asked for 4th recount but they were refused.

On these grounds they actually look like they have a genuine argument to make about it.

[-:Undertaker:-]

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The graph shows just how polarised the British electorate is becoming.

[FlyingJesus]

I don't get how Corbyn is saying that Conservatives can't have a minority govt then in the same breath saying he should be in charge... With an even smaller minority. May is a disaster but surely losing to her is even worse, it's like Barcelona having 3 players sent off and losing 1-0 to Crystal Palace with an own goal then claiming it's a victory because there wasn't a huge margin

[lemons]

Jeremy Corbyn should let the Tories destroy themselves and win his own majority in a few months time :)

[MKR&*42]

My favourite thing that has arisen from all of this is definitely Osborne's smugness. I mean, this was him on ITV on election night:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB4WsPnWAAAjWx_.jpg

On Andrew Marr he called her a 'dead woman walking'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-40237776/general-election-2017-may-is-dead-woman-walking-osborne

And this quote is brilliant:

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[MKR&*42]

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What is happening

[FlyingJesus]

Jeremy Corbyn should let the Tories destroy themselves and win his own majority in a few months time :)

Absolutely, that would be a much better and more valid way to go forward than spouting nonsense as though "first the worst second the best" was how things worked. If he can't beat a woman who doesn't even turn up he shouldn't be claiming leadership of the country

[-:Undertaker:-]

Tories going along with DUP demand in regards to Farage would be smart move. Would soothe the millions of Leavers who voted Tory over Brexit and would secure their right flank. If voters like me start deserting over next few months then they're toast.

And as for Osborne, absolutely cannot stand the man. I'd vote for Jeremy Corbyn before I voted for him.

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[lemons]

Jeremy Hunt staying as Health Sec

Both BBC and Sky News reporters called him Jeremy C*nt this afternoon ahahhahaa

[FlyingJesus]

http://i.imgur.com/TWCYodU.jpg

Kids on a football page getting angry about this it's hilarious

[-:Undertaker:-]

More on the Farage story.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ennoble-farage-or-else-warns-former-ukip-backer-5xkw0b9f0?shareToken=e18c213a5da4f6a3ad60684cc0603 194

Ennoble Farage - or else


Theresa May has been warned that she should hand Nigel Farage a peerage and a government job on her Brexit negotiating team or face a relaunch of Ukip that will leach votes from the Tories at the next election.

Arron Banks, formerly Ukip’s biggest donor, held discussions with Farage on Friday about whether to launch a new Eurosceptic movement, backed up by his millions — or whether to seize control of Ukip again and give the party a makeover.

A source familiar with the discussion said senior figures in the Democratic Unionist Party, which is in coalition talks with May but has close links to Farage, would press for him to be involved in the Brexit negotiations. “They hold a few cards,” the source said. “They want Farage as a lord or a role in government or he and Arron will put something together that will cause trouble for May.”

Lord Farage of Londonderry?

[scottish]

She should refuse, revive UKIP then labour wins.

easy

[-:Undertaker:-]

She should refuse, revive UKIP then labour wins.

easy

Indeed, Labour would be preferable to a Remain-controlled Tory Party that wants to stay in the Single Market.

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[FlyingJesus]

I get that having him involved with Brexit talks could be a good idea because he ought to know a fair bit about it all now but not sure why that would translate into a lordship, or why DUP would use their very limited influence (10 seats woo) to make a demand about something that petty instead of ... y'know, policy

[lawrawrrr]

http://i.imgur.com/jxWn60E.jpg

hehehehe all hail lord bucketheat

[MKR&*42]

Interesting data from Lord Ashcroft:

https://fournews-assets-prod-s3b-ew1-aws-c4-pml.s3.amazonaws.com/media/2017/06/ge17_graph3.jpg

I just can't stop laughing about how only 1/3 of the UK INDEPENDENCE PARTY put it as their biggest priority.

[lemons]

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[-:Undertaker:-]

@lemons (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=104567);

The DUP, potential Farage peerage... it all wouldn't have been possible without the students who brought it about. Thank you!


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOnVirSpRi4

:Heart::Heart::Heart:

[lemons]

getting farage involved will only push up labour support even more! exciting times

but it won't happen jajaja

[-:Undertaker:-]

And then you woke up...

[MKR&*42]

Interesting how the labour supporters are being the ones blamed for this coalition when not a single fucking labour voter went and voted DUP or Conservative, sigh.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Reassured this morning. It's a myth that the DUP want a 'soft Brexit' (whatever that actually means).

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Interesting how the labour supporters are being the ones blamed for this coalition when not a single fucking labour voter went and voted DUP or Conservative, sigh.

It's more the endless moaning about a party they've just become aware of - coupled with the fact they're acting as if they've just won the election when the reality is they've won only 4 more seats than Gordon Brown did for Labour in 2010. Hardly a stunning result. Makes me laugh the whinging about the DUP's mainstream conservative social policy on abortion and gay 'marriage' yet there's the oh so progressive Labour Party holding gender segregated meetings.

Corbyn supporters are basically celebrating the DUP now gaining influence in government. Hardly a victory for the Left.


but it won't happen jajaja

I'm not saying it won't happen just aren't you getting a bit carried away? You're on 262 seats (2010-2015 level).

[lemons]

Carried away with what? The fact Labour will win next time round? Not getting carried away at all!

JC made unexpected gains, something Ed Miliband failed to do and that will continue as people see this DUP coalition of chaos flop!

Like I said people care more about other stuff than just Brexit and that's where Theresa May's campaign went horribly wrong

[-:Undertaker:-]

Carried away with what? The fact Labour will win next time round? Not getting carried away at all!

Point proven. Hubris.


Like I said people care more about other stuff than just Brexit and that's where Theresa May's campaign went horribly wrong

Given her campaign is being billed as the worst Tory campaign in 200 years and you still only got 262 seats? I'm not totally discounting his increase in votes, certainly an achievement - but it's not as though he's on the doorstep of Downing Street.

In terms of seats (262) that would *usually* be a result that would mean the resignation of the Opposition Leader.

[FlyingJesus]

Sick gainz bro

[lemons]

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https://68.media.tumblr.com/f601b82230762f63250a5a9579a8cdec/tumblr_oji598zNrc1r1ult6o1_500.gif

[MKR&*42]

Another day, another strong and stable U-Turn - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/12/theresa-may-apologies-backbenchers-election-mess


Also under consideration is whether to exclude overseas students from the immigration numbers and even possibly to abandon the target to reduce immigration to the “tens of thousands”. Although nothing has been agreed, any softening of the position on immigration could maximise the chance of a closer economic relationship with the EU.

Tfw you might break a manifesto promise for the third time in 7 years, this time only 5 days after the election in which you attempted to win over UKIP voters :)

This is officially May's theme tune now


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1o3koTLWM

[FlyingJesus]

Everyone and everything is terrible, FlyingJesus for PM

[-:Undertaker:-]

Steve Baker MP brought into the Brexit Department. Very reassuring!

In other news a nice little (but sad) fact today with Parliament sitting. The Marquess of Salisbury today retired from the House of Lords meaning this is the first time in hundreds of years that nobody from the family has been sitting in the House of Lords as a member.

The family have been in the House of Lords since 1571. His heir - the Viscount Cranborne - will be able to sit in the Lords when he succeeds his fathers titles titles should there be an opening (and by-election) among the 92 reserved hereditary peers.

[MKR&*42]

A new poll by YouGov suggests that the only group of people (in terms of employment) who were more likely to vote conservative than labour, were the retired:

https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=663156&stc=1&d=1497381131

[lemons]

LMAO bless theresa trying to be common

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[buttons]

Also interesting how the unemployed/not workiworking (I take that as meaning disabled or??) voted Labour obviously students were a given
I just find it interesting because I didn't like conservatives until I joined the workforce.

[FlyingJesus]

It's interesting how rich Conservative voters are often called selfish for not wanting to pay 80% income tax but then less wealthy Conservative voters are told they're "turkeys voting for Christmas" and should be voting the party who will give them more money personally. It's like it's ok to be selfish as long as you're being selfish for the Labour party's gain...

In any case that poll is clearly wrong unless we're suggesting that well over half the country are retired for those numbers to add up

[buttons]

ya i find it a complete insult when people suggest i'm rich or i hate poor people because i voted conservatives. my mum was a single parent of 3 kids and worked 3 jobs just to make ends meet. she didn't complain once about her circumstances. the fact she worked damn hard to be where she was only strengthens my idea that people who earn money shouldn't be punished for it. labour voters want poor people to climb the ranks, earn dollar, but not too much because they'll be punished when they do.

[peteyt]

PMs closest advisors Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill have just resigned.

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I cannot see her *wanting* to stay on with her staff gone. She's now a zombie PM. I feel bad for her.



I think you're blinded as to how popular Corbyn actually is. Most of the public aren't followers of his cult like the student demographic is, and many will vote Tory simply to keep him away from Number 10. Many of us regard him as off the charts mad.

A retired British man/woman who votes Tory, has flirted with Ukip... is suddenly going to vote for a Marxist to be PM with SNP backing? The fact is that the electorate now is highly polarised and as the election campaign had shown, even though it went really badly for the Conservatives their lead still held up very well. The Conservative voting bloc is currently at a near all-time high.

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Important stat.
For me even if you don't agree with corbyn you can't deny he is a character and very passionate. I didn't vote because i agreed with some conservative stuff and some labour although some of labours stuff seemed outdated. The issue however is i feel may is just too monotone and her passion doesn't come through. I don't think she is right for the country

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[MKR&*42]

Also interesting how the unemployed/not workiworking (I take that as meaning disabled or??) voted Labour obviously students were a given
I just find it interesting because I didn't like conservatives until I joined the workforce.

I don't actually know what 'not working' means lmao. I did initially think it meant people who weren't in work, but weren't seeking employment, but it's definitely a bit vague.

[FlyingJesus]

It's mostly those who are out of work for health/disability reasons, but yeah also includes those who aren't employed but also aren't looking for work - as far as I can tell, "unemployed" in these figures generally refers solely to those who are registered to jobseekers or similar back-to-work schemes

[-:Undertaker:-]

DUP deal still hasn't been signed off...

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Cameron calling for a 'softer Brexit' - didn't we basically reject 'soft' Brexit with his shit negotiation that achieved fuck all?

He must think we're all as stupid as he is.


For me even if you don't agree with corbyn you can't deny he is a character and very passionate. I didn't vote because i agreed with some conservative stuff and some labour although some of labours stuff seemed outdated. The issue however is i feel may is just too monotone and her passion doesn't come through. I don't think she is right for the country

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He is, and she's as dull as dishwater. But I don't vote on personality, I vote on policy. I actually like her understated style and the fact we hardly see her - compared to Cameron and others who were always trying to get in on the latest fad (appearing in a 1D video) and producing videos of him cooking at home. They're not the President and they shouldn't act like it. Give me Philip May - who I have never even heard speak - over Samantha Cameron of Cherie Blair any day of the week. He knows his place - the fact that he doesn't have a place.

[lemons]

Tim Farron has resigned as leader of the Lib Dems

[MKR&*42]

I mean Farron's departure was inevitable. He didn't do much to make the Lib Dems more prominent (they only gained a handful of seats) and he nearly lost his own seat, however the reason he's been essentially forced out of the party is absolutely fucking pathetic and it's so laughably hypocritical of the liberal democrats to put pressure on someone to leave their party because of their own viewpoints.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The LGBT-XYZ bigots again showing their tolerance and liberalism.

[-:Undertaker:-]

If Jeremy Corbyn becomes PM... :P


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfHrMnl1uLo