Ban the burka?

[whoeful]

what are your thoughts? would you ban the burka or not

[MightyMagician]

wtf is the burka?

[whoeful]

wtf is the burka?

google

[lawrawrrr]

The thing that gets me about this is if anyone says yes ban the burqa - it's specifically targeting Muslim women. But there's veils worn in Christianity and Hinduism that I know of, probably other orthodox sects of other religions as well.

I find this amazing right - if people wearing a headscarf are being IDd for something (for travel is my favourite example) I've seen stories (not sure if widespread or just the odd occasion) that they can't be forced to remove them even in private so how can you like get that??

I hardly ever saw anyone wearing a full burqa in my childhood/university years but I see women wearing them regularly in London now, it doesn't make me feel uncomfortable really but I understand why some people are a little freaked out or threatened by them?

[FlyingJesus]

It wouldn't do anyone any good to ban them so nope, would just be creating a pointless law and more paperwork

[MightyMagician]

The thing that gets me about this is if anyone says yes ban the burqa - it's specifically targeting Muslim women. But there's veils worn in Christianity and Hinduism that I know of, probably other orthodox sects of other religions as well.

I find this amazing right - if people wearing a headscarf are being IDd for something (for travel is my favourite example) I've seen stories (not sure if widespread or just the odd occasion) that they can't be forced to remove them even in private so how can you like get that??

I hardly ever saw anyone wearing a full burqa in my childhood/university years but I see women wearing them regularly in London now, it doesn't make me feel uncomfortable really but I understand why some people are a little freaked out or threatened by them?

Conventional Christians don't wear a veil or any type of clothing to specifically show they practice the religion. You'll only see people like priests or nuns wearing those garments, and even still, they rarely ever leave the church.

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But on a more serious note: I'm against this type of ban myself. As much as I don't want Muslims or Arabs in Europe, it would be a total violation of their rights and an act of bigoted discrimination to keep them from wearing something their religion requires them to.

[lawrawrrr]

Conventional Christians don't wear a veil or any type of clothing to specifically show they practice the religion. You'll only see people like priests or nuns wearing those garments, and even still, they rarely ever leave the church.
Many muslims don't wear veils either!! And some of those nuns do leave the church.

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/christainpakistan.jpg?resize=540,304

Christian woman in public in Pakistan

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/ethiopianchristain.jpg?resize=540,304

Orthodox Christians

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/yeminijews.jpg?resize=540,304

Jewish!

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/hinduheadscarf.jpg?resize=540,304

Hindu refugees

All from here btw: http://metro.co.uk/2016/10/06/can-you-tell-these-womens-religions-from-their-veils-6175120/



What I'm getting from your comment is it's okay but only in private/religious places? Which is a totally valid opinion!! I don't actually know what I feel about it haha.

[MightyMagician]

Let Muslims/Arabs and Jews wear what they wish, as long as they've been cleared through background checks upon their arrival in these countries. It's not like a crazy person yelling Allahu Akbar in a crowded public place just to cause a panic.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yes. I despise seeing them and would refuse to talk or communicate to anyone wearing one.

The public back a ban and it is time we had one. Assimilate or get out.

[FlyingJesus]

What if I wear one that would have nothing to do with assimilation just a choice of clothing

[-:Undertaker:-]

What if I wear one that would have nothing to do with assimilation just a choice of clothing

But you don't wear one so.

That said, given you'd be a man in women's clothing I would probably like it even less if you wore one. So yeah, ban it.

[FlyingJesus]

That's not the point at all, I could do if I chose to and it would be nothing to do with "assimilation". I can also order things from China, speak a few words of Swahili, and watch some good old German hardcore, none of those things are very British but I assume you don't want to ban all of that as well

[-:Undertaker:-]

That's not the point at all, I could do if I chose to and it would be nothing to do with "assimilation". I can also order things from China, speak a few words of Swahili, and watch some good old German hardcore, none of those things are very British but I assume you don't want to ban all of that as well

I don't see any of that on the streets, sorry. I do see burkas though, and I hate them. So ban it.

[FlyingJesus]

I don't see any burkas ever but I definitely see Chinese goods and German porn. Well done on admitting that your entire view is just down to hatred though

I don't like nuts but I don't think banning them is a great plan

[-:Undertaker:-]

I don't see any burkas ever but I definitely see Chinese goods and German porn. Well done on admitting that your entire view is just down to hatred though

I don't like nuts but I don't think banning them is a great plan

I'm just voting on my preferences and tastes, just like everybody else does and is entitled to.

I don't see why I should be subjected to libertarian principle tests on my likes/dislikes when it comes to public policy, but nobody else is - the glaring examples being when it comes to forcing landlords to ban smoking in pubs and forcing bakers to bake gay 'wedding' cakes. Screw it, i'll vote on what I want just as everybody else does!

And as for hatred, yeah I do hate the burka and that's why I want to ban it. You're 100% correct.

[FlyingJesus]

K but surely you're not stupid enough to think that anything actually gets banned just because someone "hates it" right. Such an absolute baby

[Landon]

Assimilate or get out.

+1

Ban

[hungryfront]

I don't see any of that on the streets, sorry. I do see burkas though, and I hate them. So ban it.
The world does not revolve around your opinion because you're white. They're allowed to be whatever religion they want. If you gave a valid reason for banning them, maybe people would listen. I'm personally against them because you can't see their face if they commit a crime, so they'd be difficult to identify. It's not because I'm Christian (which I'm not), or I don't like Muslims.

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[Lewis]

I don't mind headscarf coverings but anything that prevents someone from being identified or makes it difficult to do so should not allowed. So yes, burqas and similar clothing should be banned. No doubt about it.

http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/13533x650-vi.jpg

[-:Undertaker:-]

The world does not revolve around your opinion because you're white. They're allowed to be whatever religion they want. If you gave a valid reason for banning them, maybe people would listen. I'm personally against them because you can't see their face if they commit a crime, so they'd be difficult to identify. It's not because I'm Christian (which I'm not), or I don't like Muslims.

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Who said anything about race? You racist. And did you just assume my identity as white? How bigoted.

Policy does revolve around my opinion and the opinions of Britons in our homeland, the United Kingdom. Just as the rules that govern Saudi Arabia revolve around the opinions of the muslims whose homeland it is. My country, my opinion, my choice.


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Like I say, the majority of Britons support banning the burka.

[hungryfront]

Who said anything about race? You racist. And did you just assume my identity as white? How bigoted.

Policy does revolve around my opinion and the opinions of Britons in our homeland, the United Kingdom. Just as the rules that govern Saudi Arabia revolve around the opinions of the muslims whose homeland it is. My country, my opinion, my choice.


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Like I say, the majority of Britons support banning the burka.
You do not own the country. You have a single vote, that's it. Stay humble.

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[MightyMagician]

You do not own the country. You have a single vote, that's it. Stay humble.

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True, but Muslims and Arabs weren't even from Europe to begin with - most are either descendants of the Ottomans or their families immigrated.

[hungryfront]

True, but Muslims and Arabs weren't even from Europe to begin with - most are either descendants of the Ottomans or their families immigrated.
They're still from Earth. People move town to town in Britain without judgement, so they should be allowed to move from country to country (obviously with regulations as our government doesn't know what happens in theirs).

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[Charlie]

I don't think they should be banned. Regardless of whether it's because of their religion or simply just a choice they've made then whatever, it doesn't bother me so I'm happy for them to carry on wearing them. Just like I'm happy for whoever to wear whatever again regardless of if it's due to their religion or simply a choice. Even if it isn't something I like, it doesn't effect me so I don't care enough to vote to ban it.

[FlyingJesus]

True, but Muslims and Arabs weren't even from Europe to begin with - most are either descendants of the Ottomans or their families immigrated.

You live in America which by your own reasoning you shouldn't be allowed to do, dunno why you bring this nonsense up so often

And still loving how the guy who rants about FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM wants to flat out ban something just because he personally doesn't like it, as well as advocating mob rule and state intervention. Amazing

[MightyMagician]

You live in America which by your own reasoning you shouldn't be allowed to do, dunno why you bring this nonsense up so often

And still loving how the guy who rants about FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM wants to flat out ban something just because he personally doesn't like it, as well as advocating mob rule and state intervention. Amazing

Congrats, you just completely showed that you have a lack of knowledge of how the US was established and who it was established for. By my own reasoning, I do belong in my country - the Naturalization Act of 1790 allowed white Europeans in good standing to immigrate. Saying I don't belong in my country because my family was from Europe also means I can't comment on who in Europe decides whether or not these bans happen or not? Smart thinking - but Muslims and Arabs had nothing to do with the founding of the original European countries they currently exist in, so it's only logical they don't get to decide. I already made my point about being against the ban, anyways.

[hungryfront]

MightyMagician; Or why don't we just let previous generations go and focus on what's happened now. Stop taking credit for your ancestors' achievements, you've done nothing to found America.

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[FlyingJesus]

Muslims and Arabs had nothing to do with the founding of the original European countries they currently exist in, so it's only logical they don't get to decide.

It's not logical at all to only dish out democratic rights to those of certain pedigree, and you should have a good long read about the Moors in Europe who massively predate the creation of your baby country and therefore absolutely have a right to be here even under your senseless theories

[RuthlessSlayer-]

Why would you ban the burka? It's a religious piece of clothing that does no harm whatsoever to anyone else so I don't get why you would ban it.

[RuthOnToast]

What good would come from banning it? Only going to make more people mad and cause more problems. If someone wants to wear one let them.

[vaitoranke]

The thing that gets me about this is if anyone says yes ban the burqa - it's specifically targeting Muslim women. But there's veils worn in Christianity and Hinduism that I know of, probably other orthodox sects of other religions as well.

I find this amazing right - if people wearing a headscarf are being IDd for something (for travel is my favourite example) I've seen stories (not sure if widespread or just the odd occasion) that they can't be forced to remove them even in private so how can you like get that??

I hardly ever saw anyone wearing a full burqa in my childhood/university years but I see women wearing them regularly in London now, it doesn't make me feel uncomfortable really but I understand why some people are a little freaked out or threatened by them?

Tell me when the God-loving Bob from Texas throws acid at her daughter for not wearing a veil - which is not even required (or from what I know even in the Bible). Same applies with Hinduism.

Islam is by far the most barbaric religion.