Australia to vote in national survey on gay 'marriage'

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-41223153

Australia to vote in national survey on gay 'marriage'


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Australia has begun sending out ballots for a non-binding vote on support for legalising same-sex marriage.

The survey does not have the power to change the law but could lead to a vote in parliament.

Australian political leaders, including Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, have said they support the Yes campaign.

People will have until 7 November to cast their vote by mail and results of the voluntary poll are expected on 15 November.

Ahead of the ballots being mailed out, thousands of Australians dressed in rainbow colours rallied on Sunday in support of the campaign.

The No campaign has said it remains confident it has strong support.

Mr Turnbull said the country's Marriage Act could be amended later this year if the vote shows support for change.

Good luck to the No campaign.

To be fair, even if there is a Yes vote... should it still be introduced? I only ponder this for the fact that in the United States, gay 'marriage' was rejected over and over again by the people in state referendums until the politically corrupt courts legalised it. Sad, but I will always be glad reminding supporters of SSM that in the United States at least, they had to override the vote via the courts to get their own way like the losers they are. :)

Thoughts?

[Charlie]

I support it, obviously. I don't even know why we need to vote on something that should just be allowed at this point. It isn't like homosexuality is this new thing, it's been around for so long that the fact we still need to fight for the same rights as straight people is stupid. If we wanna get married and numerous divorces just like straight people do then so be it, although I imagine after we've spent so long fighting for it, we'll treat marriage a bit better.

[lemons]

To be fair, even if there is a Yes vote... should it still be introduced?
Thoughts?

The remain campaign lost the EU ref... should we remain in the EU anyway?
Hillary Clinton received more votes than Trump... should she be President?

[scottish]

Good luck to them.

Makes no difference to my life if two people of the same sex love each other enough to get married.

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I support it, obviously. I don't even know why we need to vote on something that should just be allowed at this point. It isn't like homosexuality is this new thing, it's been around for so long that the fact we still need to fight for the same rights as straight people is stupid. If we wanna get married and numerous divorces just like straight people do then so be it, although I imagine after we've spent so long fighting for it, we'll treat marriage a bit better.

Democracy?


The remain campaign lost the EU ref... should we remain in the EU anyway?
Hillary Clinton received more votes than Trump... should she be President?

You've got the wrong end of the stick, I am not the one who overturns referendums - that's the LGBTXYZ lot.

[dbgtz]

i mean... you technically are the G and you did just literally advocate it

either way I'm still on the side of marriage & religion in general being divorced from the state (as much as can be)

[Joe]

Good luck to the yes campaign. Love who you want.

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i mean... you technically are the G and you did just literally advocate it

either way I'm still on the side of marriage & religion in general being divorced from the state (as much as can be)

I'm playing Devil's advocate of course.

[Lewis]

I honestly have nothing against gay marriage. Just as long as it's not in a church ... or done by a priest/bishop/etc ... or done in relation to Christianity ... and that churches cannot be forced to do it or be sued otherwise ...

because it simply makes no sense. I'm not really a christian, but the bible makes it clear marriage is between a man and a woman. So why have gay marriage in a christian setting?

Otherwise, go right ahead - have a humanist marriage or any of the alternatives.

My fears and worries is that while at this moment churches can refuse to marry gay couples (or I think the law protects them in the UK and US anyway), how long will that last? How long until churches are forced to marry gay couples or face consequences because of "discrimination"? And god knows what else.

Perhaps such fears are unfounded. But I suspect otherwise.

[MightyMagician]

I strongly advise any white Australian to leave if gay marriage gets approved there. Aboriginals are known child abusers and God knows what else they'd do if they had this kind of freedom.

[lemons]

I strongly advise any white Australian to leave if gay marriage gets approved there. Aboriginals are known child abusers and God knows what else they'd do if they had this kind of freedom.

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[MightyMagician]

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It has everything to do with it. Parents having to worry about their kids being violated by known child abusers in a continent where child abuse is rampant, is certainly something to be concerned about. If Australia is this blind to the problems caused by their ethnic tribe, they'd probably let worse things slide.

[FlyingJesus]

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[Matt]

It has everything to do with it. Parents having to worry about their kids being violated by known child abusers in a continent where child abuse is rampant, is certainly something to be concerned about. If Australia is this blind to the problems caused by their ethnic tribe, they'd probably let worse things slide.

what the fuck has that got to do with the vote on marriage equality

I'll be voting yes. Although it's a waste of $122 million and parliament will almost certainly vote it through in a few years even if the No vote wins (I mean both the Liberal and Labor leaders actually agree on something for once... mind=blown), I guess they're covering their asses and can say they've asked the Australian population what they want.

I've taken a bit of a break from social media as both the Yes & No campaigns seem to always take a nasty twist and people impose their views onto others. Everyone from the No campaign has been villainized which, although I believe quite strongly in equality for everyone and can't see how it's fair to deny people the right to marry when heterosexual couples already have the right to marry, it pisses me off because I'd never tell someone how they should be voting.

But hey they did say if you put it to a vote/plebecite/referendum/whatever you want to call it, things have the potential to get nasty.

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Apparently the polls are narrowing.

Still some way to go but anything is always possible. :)

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[Firehorse]

Yes it should be legalised. It's stupid not to legalise it. It is something that harms nobody, yet makes people happy. The end result for society's production can only be positive, bar some fools who are too busy focusing on what others should and shouldn't do instead of focusing on themselves.

Do whatever makes you happy, so long as it doesn't harm somebody else.

[Ekelektra]

The survey results came in today and the result was 61.6% yes. Looks like parliament will try to pass the legislation before Christmas.

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Will we now be seeing calls to investigate possible Russian interference in this election? Or is Russia only behind results we don't like?

Anywho well done the 40% of Australians who voted against fake marriage in the face of intolerance, screeching and name calling. The fact that 40% voted against wasn't enough to win of course, but it is enough to forever piss the LGBT side off that a sizable chunk of Australians regard gay 'marriage' as nothing more than make-believe and ultimately, wrong. Similarly I always like to remind the American ones that they got their false marriage not by winning over the American public (they lost in virtually every state referendum that was held on it) but by forcing it through the courts. May it forever stick in their craw.

I reminded a gay Australian journalist of this on social media and boy it sure pissed him off and ruined his day of celebration.

[Matt]

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The 40% of no voters will prob all die off in a couple of years anyway as they're probably all the old religious people :)

The fact they chose to do a referendum was ticking the criteria of being a democracy and asking the people what they wanted - waste of money but I can see why they did it. The parliament wouldn't have gone to a conscience vote if the referendum vote was a no - meaning it wouldn't have passed when discussed in parliament.

Pretty sure the Yes voters don't give a fuck about the 40% considering they've lost and all gone quiet. Although in saying that, I've heard yes voters wanting to work with those who voted No to ensure the best outcome is achieved for everyone, which is fair enough and I'd be inclined to want to do the same. At least the courts didn't just pass it without asking anyone :)

Also think it's funny how Tony Abbott's electorate voted overwhelmingly yes.

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Matt;

I understand it'll pass both houses via both parties but has it damaged PM Turnbull in anyway amongst his core vote? My assumption would be they'd move to Senator Hansen's party? Or am I wrong?

[Matt]

@Matt (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=67543);

I understand it'll pass both houses via both parties but has it damaged PM Turnbull in anyway amongst his core vote? My assumption would be they'd move to Senator Hansen's party? Or am I wrong?

The parliament is in a state of chaos anyway with so many MPs being forced to leave due to holding dual citizenship - which is worrying because if they don't cover every basis once SSM does become legislation it could be challenged in terms of legitimacy. They'll probably approach Hanson's party yes.

Hanson was on TV the other week and flatly refused to vote on any legislation until the citizenship stuff was sorted - she was then challenged by Sarah Hanson-Young (Greens) regarding the SSM vote but Pauline Hanson never made clear what she'd do when it came to the actual debate/vote in the house (and instead said she was fed up of being personally victimised by Sarah and got emotional on live TV).

The Turnbull government is screwed come election time unless they can pull off some huge things before then. There's probably many Liberals that aren't happy at the moment with the whole referendum outcome and the fact Turnbull is for it. The current govt is in quite a difficult place at the moment imo, even though they argue they aren't.

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ahhh Matt; a nice summary.

I do follow Australian politics but not enough to string it together like that as a narrative, cheers x