Habbox Hall of Fame

[Sho]

Due to recent feedback, we've decided to look into updating the Habbox Hall of Fame as it's not been updated for a few years. We won't be adding a lot of people, just a few users who have made a gigantic contribution to Habbox over the years, who have exceeded the requirements for the Habbox Merit award.

If you have any suggestions for anyone you think should be added, please let us know below and we will discuss it. All new users will be formally inducted during the Habbox Awards in January 2018 :)

Thanks!

[Alkaz]

xxMATTGxx - For his contributions to Habbox since 2004. His time as co-owner and for being a generally nice person to everyone that graced the doors of Habbox over the years. For his dedication to the forum department also.

FlyingJesus - Again for his contributions to Habbox over the years. He's always been active, many have feared or loved him over the years. Known for being a down to earth, nice person who doesn't mince his words. He's been a permanent fixture at Habbox for almost as long as the orange and blue theme!

[HotelUser]

I would suggest swapping these two in:

Matt - I think he should be a hall of famer because he was general manager, forum moderator (manager?) for a number of years. I'm sure he was the longest serving general manager.

8freak8 - He was at Habbox for 4 years I think, and I don't know if there was a department (including general management) that he wasn't a manager of. He updated habbox.com very actively back in the day too, and put in countless hours of work as the main person running the habbox.com site itself.

There's also two people I think I would make habbox merit instead, and keep in mind this is highly subjective and I don't mean to offend anyone (particularly Dan who I consider a good friend). These two guys are really cool and have both been around forever, but I would move undertaker and immenseman into habbox merit. It's not that they're underserving of praise-- far from it. It's just that I think if Immenseman is a hall of famer then Leah, ,Jess, or Sammeth ought to be too. And you couldn't have undertaker without Oli, Jamsey, Martin, Danube or Inseriosity in my opinion either. I would also put FlyingJesus into the same category of habbox merit following similar logic to the above. So to recap, I hope if Dan or Jake see this they don't try and murder me, I just think that you're part of a group of incredibly special contributors to Habbox, but because Habbox has existed for ~15 years that group of incredible people is just rather large, and so we need to be mindful of that as we consider the hall of fame, lest it grow to become so big that it loses its intended purpose.

[GoldenMerc]

been top poster for 5 years my agents phone still not had a call, whats up habbox

[HotelUser]

been top poster for 5 years my agents phone still not had a call, whats up habbox

hey HabboxGod isn't too shabby!

[GoldenMerc]

hey HabboxGod isn't too shabby!

habbox god got ruined when everyone got it lol, it used to be cool David.

Nice seeing you about again, we need to catch up one day!

[Neversoft]

if 8freak8 and gommeinc aren't on this thing then im gonna riot

[-:Undertaker:-]

Glad to see my suggestion for restoring the Hall of Fame has been adopted, I was literally about to PM you all in General Management about this last week before I went away to see if my suggestion had moved forward. :P Are we limiting the inductees per year at the Habbox Awards like suggested? I think I suggested two inductees every year maximum?

Here's the Habbox Hall of Fame for anybody wondering: http://www.habboxwiki.com/Hall_Of_Fame

@HotelUser (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=420); None taken although I don't like removing and adding people to awards as to me it demeans the awards. I was uneasy about previous removals if I am perfectly honest. It's hugely subjective enough as it is, and obviously as time passes the contributions of somebody many years ago won't be remembered that much today. I'm the only active member of the Hall of Fame currently still on Habbox anyway, and I suggested that we make more use of it a few weeks/months ago... adding a handful or two people at each Awards will keep it as the highest award on the site rather than just make it a smaller group of Habbox Merit holders.

Not sure about making this discussion public though? Sho; I rather think it's something the hierarchy should decide on with maybe suggestions being sent privately over PM which is what I am going to do with my suggestion. There's someone on here who I think deserves it hugely who i've suggested in the past should inductions ever be made again, so will PM them to you. ;)

[-:Undertaker:-]

Also quick word of advice for people when making nominations on the Habbox Hall of Fame and the Habbox Merit differentiations as *I* have always understood them. It's never been codified but this makes sense to me...

Hall of Fame differs from Habbox Merit in that it is a c o m b i n a t i o n of strong reasons and a special reason for induction rather than *just* long service in a certain role or being a forum elder which is what the Merit and God reward. So for example, in the Hall of Fame you have combinations (The full reasons can be found via the Wiki page I linked)......


Mizki who is inducted because she founded Habbox (special reason).

You have Jrh2002 who founded Habbox Forum itself (special reason) and also supported the site via General Management roles. Also donated to Habbox over the years.

MissAlice for founding and shaping the Competitions Department (special reason) as we know it today as well as her large donations and years of support to Habbox. Viewed as one of the first Forum Elders.

Joshuar for his international site work (special reason) during Habbox's peak popularity and work in Content.

---MAD--- for controversial yet sustained and without a doubt influential work in Moderation, the Forum and General Management (special reason).

Nvrspk4 for his work in General Management (special reason) and the staff side of things over the years.

-:Undertaker:- for shaping the RV Department during it's peak, building Rare Watch and prolonged service in that department from 2006 to 2015 (special reason). Longest serving RVM.

Immenseman for shaping the RV during it's peak and Community work in General Management later on. (special reason). Third longest serving RVM.

Of course there's always debate over X, Y and Z over the years of who should have been inducted but there's no doubt in my experience from 2006 those names really stand out and I am sure other forum 'elders' would agree also. This I think is different to what @Neversoft (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=14600); (himself a forum 'elder') suggested with my friend GommeInc who contributed a lot in terms of posts and community over the years and was seen as an elder of the forum but who didn't have a specific contribution in the sense of the above because he didn't serve in many staff roles. There's also the obvious famous factor too - the names on the list above were big in their time for what they did and were well known for it both on Habbox and on the Hotel.

So in that sense the Hall of Fame is an official way of rewarding things concrete over the years rather than a Service/Elder recognition as Habbox Merit and Habbox God are. I think at the moment we've got them right in tiers -


Habbox Hall of Fame - Special & famous contributions to Habbox (Staff-focused)

Habbox Merit - Outstanding contributions to Habbox (Staff-focused)

Habbox God - Forum Elder Award rewarding years of contributions (Public-focused)

Free to disagree with me but that is how I have always understood the differences or else you just risk it turning into an extension of the other two awards. At least keep some distinction between them, which a limit on inductions to say 2 per year would help do!

[Sho]

it's only open to public for this year since it's been so long since an update that we may miss someone deserving and wanted to get opinions in general. we will be limiting how many people we add each year since we don't want to be adding like 10+ members just for the sake of updating it since it defeats the point of it imo.

sorry i'm on my phone in a lecture atm so i'll reply properly later xx

[despect]

There's plenty of people who have worked really hard and done Habbox proud however, we are going to be inducting people who have made a difference and impact at Habbox.

Loving the suggestions so far, keep them coming! :D

[Jarkie]

I feel like this type of thing needs to be somebody who has done amazingly towards Habbox and to HabboxForum.
I don't believe if you are a "Habbox God/Habbox Merit" you should automatically get a higher chance to get in as you are already getting reognized for your efforts one way or another. Unless you go that extra mile of course.

With this in mind, I nominate xxMATTGxx, Lawrawrrr, FlyingJesus, LUCPIX and Martin.

[GoldenMerc]

I feel like this type of thing needs to be somebody who has done amazingly towards Habbox and to HabboxForum.
I don't believe if you are a "Habbox God/Habbox Merit" you should automatically get a higher chance to get in as you are already getting reognized for your efforts one way or another. Unless you go that extra mile of course.

With this in mind, I nominate xxMATTGxx, Lawrawrrr, FlyingJesus, LUCPIX and Martin.

unsure why everything is staff related but meh

[despect]

unsure why everything is staff related but meh

We're more than happy to have suggestions for people who havent been staff before :).

[Neversoft]

I don't understand how people can be removed from the 'Hall of Fame,' like their achievements are suddenly deemed moot? Was that just a decision made by Alkaz? And didn't Undertaker rig rare values? It all seems rather arbitrary to me. It's kind of absurd how the forum has been around for over a decade, but there are only currently eight people on this list. Personally I think it should be removed altogether, and Habbox Merit needs to be completely wiped and revamped, and replaced with a system that is properly maintained and regulated.


habbox god got ruined when everyone got it lol

boiiii I remember when you became a Habbox God. Just missed out on the top five. (https://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=731912&p=7373386#post7373386)

[GoldenMerc]

I don't understand how people can be removed from the 'Hall of Fame,' like their achievements are suddenly deemed moot? Was that just a decision made by Alkaz? And didn't Undertaker rig rare values? It all seems rather arbitrary to me. It's kind of absurd how the forum has been around for over a decade, but there are only currently eight people on this list. Personally I think it should be removed altogether, and Habbox Merit needs to be completely wiped and revamped, and replaced with a system that is properly maintained and regulated.



boiiii I remember when you became a Habbox God. Just missed out on the top five. (https://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=731912&p=7373386#post7373386)

this is why ive never been soft with you, I think I've held top poster for 5 years? I may be mistaken though if anyone can find it

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I don't understand how people can be removed from the 'Hall of Fame,' like their achievements are suddenly deemed moot? Was that just a decision made by Alkaz? And didn't Undertaker rig rare values? It all seems rather arbitrary to me. It's kind of absurd how the forum has been around for over a decade, but there are only currently eight people on this list. Personally I think it should be removed altogether, and Habbox Merit needs to be completely wiped and revamped, and replaced with a system that is properly maintained and regulated.
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Just a note to this, jake is perm for giving out peoples details to a hacker, but hes still in there lol

[Neversoft]

I don't understand how people can be removed from the 'Hall of Fame,' like their achievements are suddenly deemed moot? Was that just a decision made by Alkaz? And didn't Undertaker rig rare values? It all seems rather arbitrary to me. It's kind of absurd how the forum has been around for over a decade, but there are only currently eight people on this list. Personally I think it should be removed altogether, and Habbox Merit needs to be completely wiped and revamped, and replaced with a system that is properly maintained and regulated.

boiiii I remember when you became a Habbox God. Just missed out on the top five. (https://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=731912&p=7373386#post7373386)

Just to add a bit more to this, because I know it's annoying to say THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE and not actually offer any input, but seeing as Habbox is pretty darn old, it would be nice to recognise users in a broader scpetrum than in the very general 'Hall of Fame' format.

There are numerous roles across the site, and a lot of people have have given a lot of time towards smaller areas of Habbox, so it would be nice to recognise outstanding members by department, and then have a seperate list for non-staff members who have made substantial contributions to the website, and so on. To only recognise people who have made a difference 'on the whole' is kind of difficult and very limiting.

Habbox has a very long history, and everyone is going to have a vastly different view of the sorts of people who should be rewarded. Personally I think Catzsy is one of the single most affable and important people to have been a part of this website. She was a super moderator for a long time, and didn't really leave a lasting 'mark' so to speak, but for the time she was active she really made the forum a better place. As the userbase is so diverse and enduring, I think it would be better to recognise members in a more comprehensive way. The Hall of Fame, as it is, seems very general and narrow.


this is why ive never been soft with you, I think I've held top poster for 5 years? I may be mistaken though if anyone can find it

Right on, Golden Mercedes. (https://www.habboxforum.com/memberlist.php?order=desc&sort=posts&pp=30) I didn't even realise I was still that high up, and damn I missed my 23,000th post.


Just a note to this, jake is perm for giving out peoples details to a hacker, but hes still in there lol

THIS IS LUDICROUS.

[scottish]

brb while I give myself 8,265 of GoldenMerc's posts.

My only suggestion is don't just put anyone on it and don't put people on it due to post count or the duration of which they've been around. like I'm probably one of the oldest (in terms of habbox age not irl age) active members and I shouldn't be in it, neither should GoldenMerc just for posting a bit more 10 years ago :P

[Samantha]

I would probably suggest Calvin (if he came up with the Wiki idea, if he didn't then whoever did), because I believe, and have always said the Wiki is one of our unique features that we have. It was a genius idea to bring it, and it's still something that's updated on a regular basis and gets people onto Habbox - people sign up to the Wiki just to edit pages and give their knowledge. The Hall of Fame should show pure dedication to Habbox, or show that they brought something outstanding to the fansite.

I don't think I'm going to be liked for this one, but I wouldn't exactly add xxMATTGxx onto it, unless you're mainly talking about his work prior to around 2014. When I was AGM with him, it was unfortunate but you could see he didn't care/have the time for Habbox as much anymore, and the co-owner role that he received (and did deserve) allowed him to take a more backseat approach to Habbox. However, in the later stages of his reign he didn't exactly wow me, maybe he did with others, but you could see a change! If you were to add him for his other achievements as well as his dedication before he lost the motivation somewhat then I'd say go for it, because he does deserve it for that!

I'd also suggest Mathew and Alex3213 for their help in shaping the Events and Competitions Departments. They worked extremely well with their manager/assistant and really pushed those departments forward. It's a shame it couldn't stay like that forever though.

[FlyingJesus]

am r8 famus

I always thought Hall of Fame was for like people who pioneered stuff like the chaps who made the sites and whatnot, but since it's just a wiki page and no-one's gonna reallllllllly stumble across it unless they want to, doesn't bother me what happens with it

[HotelUser]

brb while I give myself 8,265 of GoldenMerc's posts.

My only suggestion is don't just put anyone on it and don't put people on it due to post count or the duration of which they've been around. like I'm probably one of the oldest (in terms of habbox age not irl age) active members and I shouldn't be in it, neither should GoldenMerc just for posting a bit more 10 years ago :P

I agree and I think the Habbox God usertitle suffices for dedicated non-staff members. Although I seem to be the only one here not invited to that club!


I would probably suggest Calvin (if he came up with the Wiki idea, if he didn't then whoever did), because I believe, and have always said the Wiki is one of our unique features that we have. It was a genius idea to bring it, and it's still something that's updated on a regular basis and gets people onto Habbox - people sign up to the Wiki just to edit pages and give their knowledge. The Hall of Fame should show pure dedication to Habbox, or show that they brought something outstanding to the fansite.


I came up with the wiki and set it up. It's actually a really bitter sweet thing for me. Over the years I spent hundreds of hours building custom code for the site and the forum. The most successful thing I did ended up being the wiki, which I set up in about one weekend of work. Even when I left in 2011 I thought, I doubt anyone will bother maintaining/updating this, and when I came back and saw that you all had, I was shocked. And happy. But still not sure how I feel about that being the lasting thing I did here. The wiki is great! But there was and is so much more I'd have preferred to have worked out instead. That said, I wonder if Habbox can somehow use the wiki to gain back ground lost to other fansites. It makes Habbox unique and I wonder if there's a way to maximize the benefits from that as much as Habbox can.



I don't think I'm going to be liked for this one, but I wouldn't exactly add xxMATTGxx onto it, unless you're mainly talking about his work prior to around 2014. When I was AGM with him, it was unfortunate but you could see he didn't care/have the time for Habbox as much anymore, and the co-owner role that he received (and did deserve) allowed him to take a more backseat approach to Habbox. However, in the later stages of his reign he didn't exactly wow me, maybe he did with others, but you could see a change! If you were to add him for his other achievements as well as his dedication before he lost the motivation somewhat then I'd say go for it, because he does deserve it for that!


You mostly worked with him when he was burnt out.... he wasn't always like that. But I think your criticism is still fair enough.



I'd also suggest Mathew and Alex3213 for their help in shaping the Events and Competitions Departments. They worked extremely well with their manager/assistant and really pushed those departments forward. It's a shame it couldn't stay like that forever though.

I can't speak for Mathew but I would say Alex3213 deserves merit, perhaps not HoF though.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I don't understand how people can be removed from the 'Hall of Fame,' like their achievements are suddenly deemed moot? Was that just a decision made by Alkaz?

I am uncomfortable with that like I said but it was done because it was becoming simply a former Management staff list like the Habbox Merit sort of is. That's why I said a page back that it was important to differentiate between the awards so they don't become mirrors of eachother. The Hall of Fame is, as @FlyingJesus (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24753); said, for 'pioneers'.

That's why any new inductions mustn't be a popularity contest or a "If X is there then why not Y and Z?"


And didn't Undertaker rig rare values?

Absolutely not.

http://www.habboxwiki.com/Samovar_Crisis

I was made to take the flak for 8Freak8's poll - as he admitted to me - on the forum which caused values to rise which was negotiated between he, sierk and I as a compromise as I and the majority of the department simply wanted to transfer the ione's Gifts immediately into Super Rares. I never made a penny out of it given I had one Samovar to my name and never sold, sadly!

Nice sneaky dig there(?) but given that was 2007 and I have since been RVM twice since, it's ancient history.

[HotelUser]

Absolutely not.

http://www.habboxwiki.com/Samovar_Crisis

I was made to take the flak for 8Freak8's poll - as he admitted to me - on the forum which caused values to rise which was negotiated between he, sierk and I as a compromise as I and the majority of the department simply wanted to transfer the ione's Gifts immediately into Super Rares. I never made a penny out of it given I had one Samovar to my name and never sold, sadly!

Nice sneaky dig there(?) but given that was 2007 and I have since been RVM twice since, it's ancient history.

I remember something about this.... I could be wrong but I swear I remember the price of the samovar crashing really hard on habbox.com and then you were fired. Come to think of it, it *was* a big deal at the time. You shouldn't feel bad about being fired. I was fired from HxHD once for something I swear I never did, and another time by accident and then promptly rehired.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I remember something about this.... I could be wrong but I swear I remember the price of the samovar crashing really hard on habbox.com and then you were fired. Come to think of it, it *was* a big deal at the time. You shouldn't feel bad about being fired. I was fired from HxHD once for something I swear I never did, and another time by accident and then promptly rehired.

Oh absolutely. I had half the Hotel against me (protest rooms, hate rooms being made, being kicked from rooms for a long while after) and the other half for. Chaos! That of course was what then spawned Vodor.net (https://www.habboxwiki.com/Vodor.net) and HHGS (https://www.habboxwiki.com/HHGS) as rival values sites as Habbox's reputation took a hit in either you thought Habbox fixed the values or you were on my side and came to HHGS. Then as the weeks and months went on 8Freak8 as HxGM issued a ban on all Habbox staff joining HHGS or face immediate dismissal.

It all got quite nasty over it and of course it's horrible in itself being accused virtually of stealing (which i've never done in real life or online) and not being able to do anything about it with just your own word. The department itself of 25 split into two, half resigned and followed me and the other half stayed - some who I found out years later when I could read RV Management forums again were still arguing my case for me with them which was sweet to see. :P

It was a shame it all blew up though, was a cracking team that department at that time. Then again, that along with my trade room was what really made my name - for good and bad. All good fun/drama looking back at it now.

[HotelUser]

Oh absolutely. I had half the Hotel against me (protest rooms, hate rooms being made, being kicked from rooms for a long while after) and the other half for. Chaos! That of course was what then spawned Vodor.net (https://www.habboxwiki.com/Vodor.net) and HHGS (https://www.habboxwiki.com/HHGS) as rival values sites as Habbox's reputation took a hit in either you thought Habbox fixed the values or you were on my side and came to HHGS. Then as the weeks and months went on 8Freak8 as HxGM issued a ban on all Habbox staff joining HHGS or face immediate dismissal.

It all got quite nasty over it and of course it's horrible in itself being accused virtually of stealing (which i've never done in real life or online) and not being able to do anything about it with just your own word. The department itself of 25 split into two, half resigned and followed me and the other half stayed - some who I found out years later when I could read RV Management forums again were still arguing my case for me with them which was sweet to see. :P

It was a shame it all blew up though, was a cracking team that department at that time. Then again, that along with my trade room was what really made my name - for good and bad. All good fun/drama looking back at it now.

I had completely forgot about the ultimatum. Perhaps that's why I quit working at HHGs. I was there as a site coder *very* briefly and I can't recall quite what happened. Ross is a great guy though. I'm glad to see he's still active on the forum.

[Neversoft]

I am uncomfortable with that like I said but it was done because it was becoming simply a former Management staff list like the Habbox Merit sort of is. That's why I said a page back that it was important to differentiate between the awards so they don't become mirrors of eachother. The Hall of Fame is, as @FlyingJesus (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24753); said, for 'pioneers'.

That's why any new inductions mustn't be a popularity contest or a "If X is there then why not Y and Z?"



Absolutely not.

http://www.habboxwiki.com/Samovar_Crisis

I was made to take the flak for 8Freak8's poll - as he admitted to me - on the forum which caused values to rise which was negotiated between he, sierk and I as a compromise as I and the majority of the department simply wanted to transfer the ione's Gifts immediately into Super Rares. I never made a penny out of it given I had one Samovar to my name and never sold, sadly!

Nice sneaky dig there(?) but given that was 2007 and I have since been RVM twice since, it's ancient history.

It's a Habbo fansite, hardly a place of enterprise. If it's supposed to be for 'pioneers,' then it should be for Mizki, Sierk, and the initial staff members. How are you supposed to negotiate new inductions when everybody has a different idea of who and who shouldn't be on this list. It would be much better to do a broader list with comments from people that actually mean something, rather than brief descriptions on a few supposed innovators. Also, it wasn't a subtle dig. That's just what I remember hearing about. Wasn't aware it had gone to trial.

[dbgtz]

I feel like a problem with this is that people will just nominate their friends and it will just become a popularity list

[despect]

I feel like a problem with this is that people will just nominate their friends and it will just become a popularity list

People will nominate people but it will be general management that will decide who actually gets placed into hall of fame. I can assure you that when we come around to choose people it will be down to what they've done at Habbox and not who we want to place because we're friends with :).

[Neversoft]

Dragon Ball GT Z you are on my list bby

[Alkaz]

Neversoft; is correct, I did remove a lot of people from the list. I added many of the people to the list between 2010-2011 when I was AGM. However upon reflection when I returned as content design manager in 2014 I felt that not necessarily everyone merited being a part of the Hall of Fame. When I was AGM and then again as content manager there was public and private discussions about the Hall of Fame however nothing really come of it and it did seem to just turn into a popularity contest and wasn't based on peoples contributions and effort at Habbox.

Also, I don't think that this should be an award just for staff. Although most people have been staff at one point or another some people have made significant contributions whilst not being staff but still being active.

[nvrspk4]

[SNIP]
Hall of Fame differs from Habbox Merit in that it is a c o m b i n a t i o n of strong reasons and a special reason for induction rather than *just* long service in a certain role or being a forum elder which is what the Merit and God reward. So for example, in the Hall of Fame you have combinations (The full reasons can be found via the Wiki page I linked)......

[SNIP]

There's also the obvious famous factor too - the names on the list above were big in their time for what they did and were well known for it both on Habbox and on the Hotel.

So in that sense the Hall of Fame is an official way of rewarding things concrete over the years rather than a Service/Elder recognition as Habbox Merit and Habbox God are. I think at the moment we've got them right in tiers -

Free to disagree with me but that is how I have always understood the differences or else you just risk it turning into an extension of the other two awards. At least keep some distinction between them, which a limit on inductions to say 2 per year would help do!

(Preface: sorry I know this thread is two months old but seems like the issue may still be open)

This post made a lot of sense to me so I'm making my comments based on agreeing with Dan's approach, particularly the idea of "special reasons". Based on that, I'd have the following nominations:

sierk - I think this is pretty self explanatory but anyone let me know if you disagree. Maybe he was initially left off as a conflict of interest? If he was, I think it shouldn't be anymore

8Freak8 - I think Lawrence was one of the most impactful GMs - he is largely responsible for the "professionalization" of Habbox's operation (which I know people may argue about whether that was a good thing) but looking at the forum today it's undeniably a lasting legacy - I think this is the differentiator for him. In a large way, ---MAD---'s tenure was a continuation of the work 8F8 began, and 8F8 left a lasting impression on many of the other managers who worked for him as well.

DJ-3000 - DJ-3000 was undeniably one of the giants of early Habbox, along with Mizki, Sierk, MissAlice, and Jrh2002. His "special reason" would be that he was the driving force for putting HxHD on the map when he took it over from Mizki in 2004. He was the first "new hire" manager for HxHD, HabboxRadio, and the Forum (all of which he ran simultaneously) after taking them over from Mizki, Mizki, and Jrh2002 respectively. He had a contentious split with Habbox in late 2005 where he took the help desk with him (rebranded and created a new forum) but Jrh2002 did the same thing - though unlike DJ, Jay later reconciled with Habbox. Regardless, DJ-3000 is a massive figure in Habbox History and should be on there.

Jin - Jin has always been someone who gets stuff working in the background but has been instrumental to Habbox in many ways, including being the backbone that kept the site up through many server issues and DDoS attacks over a several year period, and most importantly, stepping in as owner to prevent the site from going down when sierk was no longer able to do so. If that's not a significant contribution I don't know what is (as a side note, I'm somewhat biased as I'm closer to Jin than most of the other people that I listed, but I think it's a fair point.)

MattGarner - Matt actually is the longest serving GM and did a lot for Habbox in my time working with him. I'm probably less of an expert on his tenure as GM than other people who have already posted, but what I will say is that from my point of view he was handed Habbox in an especially difficult time and made a valiant effort to move things to the right track. (This too is probably biased slightly by the fact that I think Matt's awesome, but I tried to be as impartial as possible)

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doraemonkiller may be another candidate for this list. -:Undertaker:- - I would also be very interested on your take here. Even though he doesn't have the same "fame", I seem to remember him as one of the early faces and driving forces of putting RV on the map initially, as well as being around for quite a while to drive RVs forward, but you probably have a more qualified opinion here and I'm not sure if my memory is entirely correct on this one.

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On the topic of members being in HoF, I also think it shouldn't necessarily be limited to members of staff, but I get the point that it's difficult to identify what a member who "contributed something outstanding" is. This is particularly true because the Habbox community has always had different sub-communities, and there are very few who rose above those as an "elder" respected across the community. If we were specifically looking for community members, two would come to mind.

GommeInc - Gomme I think is the exception to what I said above, which was someone who was very widely respected across all parts of the community. I would even go to say that after MissAlice, he might have been one of the most widely respected members of the community ever. He also held large sway among staff when he gave feedback because of his impeccable reasoning but also the knowledge that he was in many ways a moral center of the community. Maybe this is swayed by my perspective as being a staff member, and he wasn't viewed the same way among members, but that's definitely how many of us saw him.

FlyingJesus - I think the particular thing that distinguishes Tom is that he was actually formally recognized as a champion of the community's interests in his roles on the Habbox Council and I believe as Community Manager when we did the FM to MM / CM split. In both of these roles we sought out people who were essentially "community leaders" to elevate forum members to positions where they were given additional access to management in order to represent the community's interests.

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As a side note, if you do end up editing it, would recommend having a content designer (do those still exist?) using this thread (https://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=74589&highlight=Habbox+Dates) (its in the staff forum, sorry) to do some fact checking (though even more authoritative would be searching for the actual announcements threads). For example, the comment about ---MAD--- being the longest serving GM - MattGarner is definitely the longest serving GM and even of the first four GMs (previously Site Managers) (properclone, 8F8, ---MAD--- and myself) all four of served 14-15 months according to that thread (which is actually kind of eerie).

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@nvrspk4 (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=1857); A good post and suggestions I would agree with. A few of those you mentioned were removed from the list a while back which I don't really agree with as its wrong to hand awards out then take them back without wrongdoing. I'd of personally restored the entire old list (most of whom are inactive anyway - I think only you, me and MissAlice are the only ones still active/visiting) and just added at the Awards from this point on 2 per year.

I see in the Habbox Awards 2017 announcement a total of 5 inductions are to be made... does seem quite high to me as I would have kept it limited to 2 per year max. Is this a retrospective list as in a one off to play 'catch up' or is this simply of 5 active inductees?

But yeah the Hall of Fame this year should be a nice twist on the Awards ceremony this year. Looking forward to it. :)

[nvrspk4]

@nvrspk4 (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=1857); A good post and suggestions I would agree with. A few of those you mentioned were removed from the list a while back which I don't really agree with as its wrong to hand awards out then take them back without wrongdoing. I'd of personally restored the entire old list (most of whom are inactive anyway - I think only you, me and MissAlice are the only ones still active/visiting) and just added at the Awards from this point on 2 per year.

I see in the Habbox Awards 2017 announcement a total of 5 inductions are to be made... does seem quite high to me as I would have kept it limited to 2 per year max. Is this a retrospective list as in a one off to play 'catch up' or is this simply of 5 active inductees?

But yeah the Hall of Fame this year should be a nice twist on the Awards ceremony this year. Looking forward to it. :)

Cool - you agree with Dora as well? I feel like you can make that case more strongly than I can (if you agree)

Yeah it strikes me as weird that people were removed as well but reading Alkaz's post it makes sense that perhaps it wasn't approached in a thoughtful way. As long as it was a one-time thing it shouldn't be a big deal, those people can be re-added based on the "new" criteria

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Well hello there mr nvrspk4!! Been a while!

I agree on what you say, some of those people really made changes within habbox over the years. !


(Preface: sorry I know this thread is two months old but seems like the issue may still be open)

This post made a lot of sense to me so I'm making my comments based on agreeing with Dan's approach, particularly the idea of "special reasons". Based on that, I'd have the following nominations:

sierk - I think this is pretty self explanatory but anyone let me know if you disagree. Maybe he was initially left off as a conflict of interest? If he was, I think it shouldn't be anymore

8Freak8 - I think Lawrence was one of the most impactful GMs - he is largely responsible for the "professionalization" of Habbox's operation (which I know people may argue about whether that was a good thing) but looking at the forum today it's undeniably a lasting legacy - I think this is the differentiator for him. In a large way, ---MAD---'s tenure was a continuation of the work 8F8 began, and 8F8 left a lasting impression on many of the other managers who worked for him as well.

DJ-3000 - DJ-3000 was undeniably one of the giants of early Habbox, along with Mizki, Sierk, MissAlice, and Jrh2002. His "special reason" would be that he was the driving force for putting HxHD on the map when he took it over from Mizki in 2004. He was the first "new hire" manager for HxHD, HabboxRadio, and the Forum (all of which he ran simultaneously) after taking them over from Mizki, Mizki, and Jrh2002 respectively. He had a contentious split with Habbox in late 2005 where he took the help desk with him (rebranded and created a new forum) but Jrh2002 did the same thing - though unlike DJ, Jay later reconciled with Habbox. Regardless, DJ-3000 is a massive figure in Habbox History and should be on there.

Jin - Jin has always been someone who gets stuff working in the background but has been instrumental to Habbox in many ways, including being the backbone that kept the site up through many server issues and DDoS attacks over a several year period, and most importantly, stepping in as owner to prevent the site from going down when sierk was no longer able to do so. If that's not a significant contribution I don't know what is (as a side note, I'm somewhat biased as I'm closer to Jin than most of the other people that I listed, but I think it's a fair point.)

MattGarner - Matt actually is the longest serving GM and did a lot for Habbox in my time working with him. I'm probably less of an expert on his tenure as GM than other people who have already posted, but what I will say is that from my point of view he was handed Habbox in an especially difficult time and made a valiant effort to move things to the right track. (This too is probably biased slightly by the fact that I think Matt's awesome, but I tried to be as impartial as possible)

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doraemonkiller may be another candidate for this list. @-:Undertaker:- (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24233) - I would also be very interested on your take here. Even though he doesn't have the same "fame", I seem to remember him as one of the early faces and driving forces of putting RV on the map initially, as well as being around for quite a while to drive RVs forward, but you probably have a more qualified opinion here and I'm not sure if my memory is entirely correct on this one.

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On the topic of members being in HoF, I also think it shouldn't necessarily be limited to members of staff, but I get the point that it's difficult to identify what a member who "contributed something outstanding" is. This is particularly true because the Habbox community has always had different sub-communities, and there are very few who rose above those as an "elder" respected across the community. If we were specifically looking for community members, two would come to mind.

GommeInc - Gomme I think is the exception to what I said above, which was someone who was very widely respected across all parts of the community. I would even go to say that after MissAlice, he might have been one of the most widely respected members of the community ever. He also held large sway among staff when he gave feedback because of his impeccable reasoning but also the knowledge that he was in many ways a moral center of the community. Maybe this is swayed by my perspective as being a staff member, and he wasn't viewed the same way among members, but that's definitely how many of us saw him.

FlyingJesus - I think the particular thing that distinguishes Tom is that he was actually formally recognized as a champion of the community's interests in his roles on the Habbox Council and I believe as Community Manager when we did the FM to MM / CM split. In both of these roles we sought out people who were essentially "community leaders" to elevate forum members to positions where they were given additional access to management in order to represent the community's interests.

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As a side note, if you do end up editing it, would recommend having a content designer (do those still exist?) using this thread (https://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=74589&highlight=Habbox+Dates) (its in the staff forum, sorry) to do some fact checking (though even more authoritative would be searching for the actual announcements threads). For example, the comment about ---MAD--- being the longest serving GM - MattGarner is definitely the longest serving GM and even of the first four GMs (previously Site Managers) (properclone, 8F8, ---MAD--- and myself) all four of served 14-15 months according to that thread (which is actually kind of eerie).