Gay "wedding" cake case reversed by US Supreme Court

[-:Undertaker:-]

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Excellent news. Well done the court and well done the baker.

Happy Pride Month! :D

[lawrawrrr]

Just out of interest, not baiting, but if someone refused to bake a cake for a disabled person/Bar Miztvah/Holy Communion/other specific group, would you be as supportive? -:Undertaker:-;

[FlyingJesus]

He'll say yes, but when service was denied to him here he didn't half whinge

[TinyFroggy]

Tbh, I also have a dilemma upon this.

Whether to force someone doing something they don't wanna do to make sure no discrimination being done or to just allow people freely provide service as it fits their interest.

I mean, if they hate so much making the gay couple cake, if I were the couple, I wouldn't order from the baker at all. For all I know, the baker might have put spit/*** or whatever in that cake (sick)

But then again, if we allow service being done as they see fits, the couple might have a harder time getting a cake (just in case most of the bakers in their areas are homophobes) meaning, we're allowing discrimination.

Anyway, why in the hell bakers being homophobes? They are one of the most 'fabulous' career in the world :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

Just out of interest, not baiting, but if someone refused to bake a cake for a disabled person/Bar Miztvah/Holy Communion/other specific group, would you be as supportive? @-:Undertaker:- (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24233);

sure.

if a religious fundamentalist went to a gay bakery and asked them to bake an anti-homosexuality/gay mariage cake, would you say that bakery should have to bake that cake?

[TinyFroggy]

sure.

if a religious fundamentalist went to a gay bakery and asked them to bake an anti-homosexuality/gay mariage cake, would you say that bakery should have to bake that cake?

Good point bro, good point.

Now I'm leaning towards your opinion XD

If certain shop have certain identity with certain principle, isn't it a bit rational not to fool around with that?

Respect each other. That's the key.

[-:Undertaker:-]

just seen this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/De9-e2zW0AEPGg2.jpg

[lawrawrrr]

sure.

if a religious fundamentalist went to a gay bakery and asked them to bake an anti-homosexuality/gay mariage cake, would you say that bakery should have to bake that cake?

As long as you’re supportive of all discrimination that’s a fair point of view at least! I don’t like the people I’ve seen who say they shouldn’t have been forced to make it, but then say if a Jewish baker refused to make, say, a holy communion cake that would be wrong!

I’m really in two minds. While I think discrimination is awful and a serious problem I do also think that individuals (NOT corporations but small business owners) maybe should have the right to refuse service on any grounds?


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[FlyingJesus]

A cake to be used at a gay wedding =/= a cake displaying a message, especially one of hatred

I definitely support the right of businesses to work with whoever they please, but the comparison between a wedding cake that just happens to be used by two men and a Nazi cake or something for a hate rally is daft. Unless they were wanting "EVERYONE SHOULD BE GAY" written on the cake then it's just a cake like any other, and the guy's an idiot for refusing business

[-:Undertaker:-]

FlyingJesus;

You only think that because you see nothing wrong with gay marriage. A Christian opposed to gay marriage sees it as an abomination given marriage is very important to Christians. For a evangelical Christian to make a gay marriage cake, it is equivalent to you having to make a Nazi gay in terms of views and not being forced to contribute to something you see as evil or wrong.


As long as you’re supportive of all discrimination that’s a fair point of view at least! I don’t like the people I’ve seen who say they shouldn’t have been forced to make it, but then say if a Jewish baker refused to make, say, a holy communion cake that would be wrong!

Well personally i'm not supportive of the discrimination, to be perfectly honest if I was running a bakery I would probably take on all cake orders including a Nazi cake, a gay marriage cake or a pro-EU cake - more profit for me to then donate to a pro-Israel, anti-gay marriage or anti-EU campaign fund. :P

[Alysha]

I actually kind of agree with -:Undertaker:-; here.
If someone doesn’t wish to provide a service they don’t have to. Granted, the fuss kicked up could have been mellowed by all parties, but you should have the right to refusal based on personal preference. It’ll upset people, but why would the purchasing party want a cake made by homophobes? Get move onto the next place and give them your money instead.
As a gay person actually getting married, I’m always weary and make sure it’s known when enquiring about wedding related things that it will be a same sex marriage. I’ve only had one thing come back and say they weren’t willing to help, and that was for religious reasons. I’m not bitter, they were pleasant enough to explain their case, and I moved on. Discrimination happens for a variety of reasons, and we are never going to combat it in this century, so pick your battles is what I think. It’s not worth it when neither party is happy at the end of it all.

[YellowBelli]

I’m so glad it went in the bakers favour in the end. They shouldn’t be forced to bake a cake, and their business/life shouldn’t of been intruded because a couple threw their toys out the pram. If I went into a bakery and asked for a lesbian themed wedding cake and the baker told me it was against his religious beliefs but he’d happily sell me any other cakes then I’d simply respect his lifestyle choice and shop elsewhere for my needs. Now, if the baker refused to serve someone at all and kicked them out the shop because of age, sex, sexual orientation or whatever then thats a whole different ball game! My favourite quote in the media was “You can’t force a painter to paint something they do not want to paint”

IMO ofc.

[FlyingJesus]

@FlyingJesus (https://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24753);

You only think that because you see nothing wrong with gay marriage. A Christian opposed to gay marriage sees it as an abomination given marriage is very important to Christians. For a evangelical Christian to make a gay marriage cake, it is equivalent to you having to make a Nazi gay in terms of views and not being forced to contribute to something you see as evil or wrong.

If a terrorist buys a Colin the Caterpillar cake for a birthday party it doesn't magically become a terrorist cake

[Oleh]

To add to this. They didn't refuse to bake the cake, they refused to attend the wedding and serve the cake...

[lawrawrrr]

If a terrorist buys a Colin the Caterpillar cake for a birthday party it doesn't magically become a terrorist cake
omg a giant colin the caterpillar would be the best cake for a wedding

[FlyingJesus]

You can get ones in Asda that supposedly feed up to 40

[lawrawrrr]

You can get ones in Asda that supposedly feed up to 40

if only I had 39 friends


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[scottish]

don't worry I'll have half you can have the other half