Public buildings will have to have separate ladies & gents toilets

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Great to see the government now speaking for the majority and fighting this woke garbage with legislation.

There's only two genders, male and female, and they are the same as the sex you are. End of story.

[FlyingJesus]

Inflammatory edginess aside, if there's an actual law on having separate toilets that will put an enormous strain on a huge number of small businesses who often only have the one toilet - sounds like pandering to the loud gammons without having thought through the logistics

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Inflammatory edginess aside, if there's an actual law on having separate toilets that will put an enormous strain on a huge number of small businesses who often only have the one toilet - sounds like pandering to the loud gammons without having thought through the logistics

It's public buildings, not small businesses.

In other words, town halls/libraries/university buildings/schools etc. Institutions which the woke dominate.

[hungryfront]

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What actual concrete benefits does this bring? Historical views on gender aren't any more relevant than historical views on the sun revolving around the Earth or historical views on disease. Science evolves and so does understanding, and the vast majority of biologists agree that gender identity is separate from sex. Saying "End of story" does not negate this fact, whether you like it or not.

All this legislation is doing is stopping people from using the bathroom which they're comfortable with. I do not see how this benefits you. Furthermore, encouraging trans women into men's bathrooms and trans men into women's bathrooms won't make anyone safer. Your entire argument and therefore support for this policy is based on your misunderstanding of gender identity and the enjoyment you get from seeing vulnerable people suffer because you don't like them for whatever reason.

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@hungryfront (https://habboxforum.com/member.php?u=128539);

Listen, there's no point playing the victim-card with me because it won't get you anywhere.

You can sit and argue that men who have cut their testicles off and who wear women's clothes are now women until you're blue in the fact, but biology doesn't lie. If you were to have an actual biologist examine their muscle mass, their bone density, their hormones, their brain, their internal organs and even their external organs - biology would declare them to be a man. That's how we identify mummies and corpses from decades, centuries and even thousands of years ago to find out whether they were man or woman. That's why we are not sat here scratching our heads as to whether Tutankhamun was a man or a woman, or whether Richard III was a King or a Queen. Science doesn't give a care in the world what you "feel" you are inside.

The fake vagina, the fake breasts and the injected hormones will all rot away leaving behind what cannot be changed or disguised, the corpse of a male.

[FlyingJesus]

I think the question was actually just "why do people need to be pushed into one bathroom or the other"

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FlyingJesus;

Women feel safer in their own bathrooms and we know especially in bars that a lot of men turn very pervy when drunk and it is an explosive cocktail mix waiting to happen.

The real question is, why should society be re-ordered to suit the fantastical needs of a very small minority?

[hungryfront]

You say women will feel safer, but let's look at the actual reality:

Trans men will be forced to use women's bathrooms. That is a fact whether you like it or not. You can say "trans men are actually women", sure, but the point is that people who look very very male are going to be using women's bathrooms more often. This makes it far easier for a cis man to just say "I was born a woman" and enter the women's room.

Does making it easier for cis men to enter women's bathrooms really make women safer?

Also, nobody is disputing that people will rot away to be male or female. Nobody's altering their skeleton. What is happening is that people are changing their appearance to help treat an actual medical condition of gender dysphoria.

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You say women will feel safer, but let's look at the actual reality:

Trans men will be forced to use women's bathrooms. That is a fact whether you like it or not. You can say "trans men are actually women", sure, but the point is that people who look very very male are going to be using women's bathrooms more often. This makes it far easier for a cis man to just say "I was born a woman" and enter the women's room.

Does making it easier for cis men to enter women's bathrooms really make women safer?

Also, nobody is disputing that people will rot away to be male or female. Nobody's altering their skeleton. What is happening is that people are changing their appearance to help treat an actual medical condition of gender dysphoria.

Yes, that part in bold is exactly what I am saying.

The male bathroom is for men and the female bathroom is for women. By trying to blur the lines between two very different distinctions of people that we all categorically know to be a truism since the dawn of time, you are the one who is risking men finding it more socially acceptable to use the women's bathroom - and while that isn't the end of the world, it is a bad thing if men begin to routinely use women's bathrooms as we then end up with sexual assault, again particularly in a nightclub/drunken setting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfozNGQM8xo

[FlyingJesus]

If you read the rest of the sentence it literally says why that doesn't make things any safer for anyone. On top of that, someone who wants to prey on unsuspecting women and goes out of their way to do so is someone who isn't going to care what the door says, so it would make absolutely no positive difference

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If you read the rest of the sentence it literally says why that doesn't make things any safer for anyone. On top of that, someone who wants to prey on unsuspecting women and goes out of their way to do so is someone who isn't going to care what the door says, so it would make absolutely no positive difference

Sure, it makes no difference to pre-meditated. But I am willing to bet that a number of sexual assaults are done while drunk.

[Empired]

Annoyed that this is yet another "let's protect women from the inevitability of men's behaviour" rather than "let's stop men raping women"

Don't give me a sanctuary where I can run to escape danger, give me an actively anti-rape culture.

[FlyingJesus]

Annoyed that this is yet another "let's protect women from the inevitability of men's behaviour" rather than "let's stop men raping women"

Don't give me a sanctuary where I can run to escape danger, give me an actively anti-rape culture.

Government working to stop people being violent and inhumane requires effort, challenging the Eton Boy's Club mentality, investment in education, and brings the risk of failure. Blaming the sign on a door is a cheap and easy way of doing bugger all of use while getting to claim that they're taking action, with the added bonus of getting to do more damage to a minority group that they don't like. Big wins!

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Annoyed that this is yet another "let's protect women from the inevitability of men's behaviour" rather than "let's stop men raping women"

Don't give me a sanctuary where I can run to escape danger, give me an actively anti-rape culture.

Nice utopian thinking there. Meanwhile, in the real world...

Reminds me of when people say "lets make every comprehensive school a good school" and it's just like oh come on.


Government working to stop people being violent and inhumane requires effort, challenging the Eton Boy's Club mentality, investment in education, and brings the risk of failure. Blaming the sign on a door is a cheap and easy way of doing bugger all of use while getting to claim that they're taking action, with the added bonus of getting to do more damage to a minority group that they don't like. Big wins!

It isn't a case of not liking a minority group. I couldn't care less whether people chop/add bits onto themselves - but society ought not to be warped around their illness. I am amazed that they can now apply to have their birth certificates changed to wipe away the actual truth. If anyone else did such a thing on official forms, they would be done for fraud - but transgenders and the government itself get away with it.

Call yourself whatever you want, wear whatever you want and pretend to be whatever you want. But don't drag an unwilling society and the truth along into it.

[FlyingJesus]

So we shouldn't bother trying to make change for the better ever because that's just playing silly buggers, instead we should just carry on making policies that have absolutely no positive impact for the sake of having a headline to pop into a report on how well we're all doing and what cracking actions we've put in place, well done old boy wot wot.

Also congratulations on ignoring a whole bunch of very valid points and the larger overall point to focus on a part that you've somehow perceived to be a personal attack, despite you (as far as I know) not being the government official body that's decided on this

[Shannon]

Judge me as much as you like ..



But if I need a wee and the ladies are full and the mens are empty ofc I'm going to use the mens. I dont give a monkeys. A loo is a loo and a poo Is a poo.

[RichBoiSam]

Please do educate me but I don't see how it's a reason to celebrate. Being a teacher, I'd have thought that inclusivity would be on the top of your agenda, and this isn't in any shape inclusive. Soon you'll be advocating for separate toilets based on sexuality, it's just not necessary. There's a very low chance of someone dressing as Mrs Doubtfire to attack someone, as Tom said, a sign on the door won't stop a monster. If anything it will cause more issues, I can only imagine the abuse a trans girl would get having to use the men's toilets because unfortunately society isn't nice.