Bye Bye Boris

[Conor]

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has stepped down. He will make a statement later today but is expected to remain in power till Autumn when a new leader for the Conservative party can be appointed.

What are your thoughts?

[-:Undertaker:-]

My sense is that the Conservative and Unionist Party has made a fatal mistake and will pay heavily for this. There's no doubt Boris Johnson was the most successful Conservative politician of the 2010s, and won the Tories their largest majority since 1987. Whether you like him or not, he was an extremely successful politician winning the London mayoralty twice, the EU referendum of 2016 and then going on to win in 2019 in places no other Tory could reach and solving the Brexit deadlock.

He's been brought down yes by his own faults, which I believe started when he wrongly sacked Dominic Cummings, but more so by internal politics in the Conservative Party itself. It's no secret that the David Cameron, George Osborne, Theresa May and Jeremy Hunt wing of the party has never liked Boris, and have hated him since he swept them away with the EU referendum. He is a politician unlike them, able to reach voters the Tory Party struggles to reach - he's a modern day Benjamin Disraeli as Dr David Starkey has accurately said.

I am able to vote in the coming leadership election as I am a member of the Conservative Party, and here's my assessment of the assumed candidates. If the party opts - as I think they will - to put in place another left-wing liberal like David Cameron, or a weakling like Theresa May, then they'll have lost my vote at the next General Election.

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[Yukieen]

As long as the new ones would not change the law too much then I'm fine with it...
I remember I was so confuse with Brexit when they left EU. It make me confuse whether I choose the right path in taking EU Law or not.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I think this clip with what I assume are first-time Conservative voters in the north pretty much sum up the huge mistake the Tory Party have just made.

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[-:Undertaker:-]

Tories in freefall. Likely down to people like myself who will now be withdrawing support/sceptical that they will bother at the next GE.

A month ago the Tories were behind in the polls, but if you had asked me what I thought the likely outcome of a General Election would be in a year or so, I would have said the Conservatives will remain in power after the polls narrow with a reduced majority. Now though? We're looking at a Labour landslide on these figures.

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[Seatherny]

Tories in freefall. Likely down to people like myself who will now be withdrawing support/sceptical that they will bother at the next GE.

A month ago the Tories were behind in the polls, but if you had asked me what I thought the likely outcome of a General Election would be in a year or so, I would have said the Conservatives will remain in power after the polls narrow with a reduced majority. Now though? We're looking at a Labour landslide on these figures.

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The reason Tories were behind in the polls is Boris.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well of those who have declared so far I have pretty much made up my mind who I can bring myself to vote for with some enthusiasm.

1. Suella Braverman

2. Kemi Badenoch

3. Liz Truss

If Priti Patel stands then she's also very likely to get my vote.

The worst candidates standing in my view are, in order of worse to least worst; Jeremy Hunt, Tom Tugendhat, Penny Mordaunt, Sajid Javid and Nadim Zahawi.


The reason Tories were behind in the polls is Boris.

It's normal for any government to be behind in the polls mid-term. The point is the margin by which they are behind. For all the problems of the government and the Prime Minister, the gap between Labour and the Tories was actually quite small, which is why my suspicion is that it would have been possible - not certain - that they could close the gap when a General Election came around. That's what usually happens - have a look at the mid-term polling for 2013 for a comparison where David Cameron was much further behind yet won in 2015. Since deposing the PM, the Tories have crashed to what is essentially their base support (30%).

[-:Undertaker:-]

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#Suella4PM (https://habboxforum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Suella4PM)

[Seatherny]

It's normal for any government to be behind in the polls mid-term. The point is the margin by which they are behind. For all the problems of the government and the Prime Minister, the gap between Labour and the Tories was actually quite small, which is why my suspicion is that it would have been possible - not certain - that they could close the gap when a General Election came around. That's what usually happens - have a look at the mid-term polling for 2013 for a comparison where David Cameron was much further behind yet won in 2015. Since deposing the PM, the Tories have crashed to what is essentially their base support (30%).



Tories were behind in the polls as Boris thought he could party while telling others to sit at home. Tories were behind in the polls as Boris thought he could employ anyone and it will be OK due to his large win. People expect morals and high standards from a leader. Boris has neither.

[Seatherny]

Well of those who have declared so far I have pretty much made up my mind who I can bring myself to vote for with some enthusiasm.

1. Suella Braverman

2. Kemi Badenoch

3. Liz Truss

If Priti Patel stands then she's also very likely to get my vote.

The worst candidates standing in my view are, in order of worse to least worst; Jeremy Hunt, Tom Tugendhat, Penny Mordaunt, Sajid Javid and Nadim Zahawi.



It's normal for any government to be behind in the polls mid-term. The point is the margin by which they are behind. For all the problems of the government and the Prime Minister, the gap between Labour and the Tories was actually quite small, which is why my suspicion is that it would have been possible - not certain - that they could close the gap when a General Election came around. That's what usually happens - have a look at the mid-term polling for 2013 for a comparison where David Cameron was much further behind yet won in 2015. Since deposing the PM, the Tories have crashed to what is essentially their base support (30%).



" bring myself to vote for with some enthusiasm.
... Liz Truss"

Thanks for proving your utter and complete incompetence yet again. You never fail to be proved wrong. Lesson for anyone reading: Do the opposite of what this man says as he is always wrong.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Seatherny;

The Tory Party is in a total self-inflicted mess, not sure what else you want me to say.

[Seatherny]

Seatherny;

The Tory Party is in a total self-inflicted mess, not sure what else you want me to say.

Because people like you keep supporting clowns like Liz Truss

[-:Undertaker:-]

Because people like you keep supporting clowns like Liz Truss

Who said I was voting Conservative at the next election?

[Seatherny]

Who said I was voting Conservative at the next election?

Well you proudly voted for Liz Truss in the leadership election. This itself shows how incompetent you really are. Actually I remember how excited you were to say you have voted for her.

Your voted for clown party UKIP, they lost all seats
You voted for Liz Truss, she is a failure
You seem to have a habit of voting for failure

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well you proudly voted for Liz Truss in the leadership election. This itself shows how incompetent you really are. Actually I remember how excited you were to say you have voted for her.

Your voted for clown party UKIP, they lost all seats
You voted for Liz Truss, she is a failure

I literally wrote at the start of this thread, and I quote;


My sense is that the Conservative and Unionist Party has made a fatal mistake and will pay heavily for this.

And I think my judgement has been proven spot on again in all that has happened since he was deposed. As critical as I was of Boris, I pointed out that the party was only 6% of so behind the opposition and that MPs were fools to have moved against a PM who won a huge majority. We're now 30% behind in the polls. I did vote for Truss in a two-way contest yes, but as a way of blocking Rishi Sunak who would've been even worse.

Here's my next prediction - installing Hunt as Chancellor is a disaster, and the prospect of Sunak/Mordaunt/Wallace as PM will sink the party even further.


You seem to have a habit of voting for failure

Not that voting is about having voted for the winner, but let's just examine what you've said. Green = Won, Red = Lost, Grey = Neutral.

2011 Voting system referendum - I spoilt my ballot
2014 European Elections won by Ukip - I voted Ukip
2015 General Election won by the Conservatives - I voted Ukip (but pressured the Tories into a referendum)
2016 EU referendum won by Leave - I voted Leave
2017 General Election won by Conservatives - I voted Conservative
2019 European Elections won by Brexit Party - I vote Brexit Party
2019 General Election won by the Conservatives - I voted Conservative

So the one time I actually voted for the losing side, I actually got what I wanted anyway by applying pressure.

You may disagree with my choices, but you can't claim I am out of touch with political reality. Now do yours. :)