Argument i had.

It starts with my msn display pic being a picture of a converse, my "mate" suggests e-bay. I lost the handle half way through...a bit...
Hypnotised says:
^is fabby for things like that
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
no0
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
NOOOOO
Hypnotised says:
I'm saving for this ->http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/a...5_box01squ.jpg
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Hypnotised says:
calm down
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
don't use ebay for shoes
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
seriously
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
EVER
Hypnotised says:
why
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
because they're 90% likely to be fake
Hypnotised says:
so?
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
-.-'
Hypnotised says:
who gives a toss
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
me
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
and all the fakes reek of glue and fall apart
Hypnotised says:
so do normal converse
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
not really
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
mine 'av lasted ages
Hypnotised says:
and anyway you can only usually tell the difference if you look really close
Hypnotised says:
they're notorious for wearing out and break vry. vry. quick
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
meh buying fakes is wrong
Hypnotised says:
how?
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
cos they're fake
Hypnotised says:
so what if some mega-corporation doesn't get any money, boo-*******-hoo
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
so, some looser gets the money instead
Hypnotised says:
it's like stealing 1p from a trillionaire
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
so what, its rightfully their money
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
whether they deserve it or not
Hypnotised says:
exactly, they (shoe company, in this case Nike as they own Converse) most definitely don't deserve any more money
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
i said its stil their money WHETHER they deserve it or not
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
its still stealing
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
you missunderstood that
Hypnotised says:
i know
Hypnotised says:
but they don't deserve the money
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
so
Hypnotised says:
so it's not wrong
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
still rightfully theoirs
Hypnotised says:
what is wrong is sweatshops charging slave wages and killing people if they join unions and whatnot, not buying a pair of fake trainers
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
-.-' i'm not talking about people being exploited
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
i'm talking about my views on fake products
Hypnotised says:
and I'm talking about mine
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
no you're not, your talking about slave wages and killing -.-'
Hypnotised says:
yes it's all linked
Hypnotised says:
coz it's the shoe company that does that
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
well duh
Hypnotised says:
which is VERY wrong and stealing a pair of shoes is nothing compared to that
Hypnotised says:
it's the lesser of two weevils
Hypnotised says:
the other is buying the official shoe and supporting the exploitation
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
but if everyone took your view then it'd be worse, you're just saying that stealing is correct where the circumstance is right
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
which is obviously a load of bollockd
Hypnotised says:
yes it is
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
stealings not right ever
Hypnotised says:
there are no objective moral facts
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
whether is had to do with evil stuff
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
or nice stuff
Hypnotised says:
it's all circumstantial
Hypnotised says:
and surely you agree that explotation is more than a little wrong
Hypnotised says:
*supporting eploitation
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
no, i'm supporting authentic products, whether the company kills people, i'm not talking about that
Hypnotised says:
yes but shoe companies = evil
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
not really, converse is in conjuction with the (red) thingy which gives to charity
Hypnotised says:
coverse is owned by nike
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
i know DUH
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
i'm not a total ****face
Hypnotised says:
which is the evilest of the evil
Hypnotised says:
and aid is a drop in the ocean compared to fair trade
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
SO WHAT, i;m not talking ABOUT evil, i'm talking about my view on authentic products, has NOTHING to do with who owns it, it's like using limewire or downloading sharing stuff
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
ITS WRONG.
Hypnotised says:
not as wrong as what the shoe companies do
Hypnotised says:
it's all relative
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
no its not -.-', whatever owns what your stealing is wrong
Hypnotised says:
anyways i gotta run
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
yeh, run away
Hypnotised says:
no
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
stealing supporter
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
-.-'
Hypnotised says:
mum's making me go
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
to be a stealing supporter -.-'
Hypnotised says:
i'm not supporting all stealing i'm saying that in certain circumstances it's fine
Hypnotised says:
like murder
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
no its not
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
see,
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
now you're applauding murder
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
fgs
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
thats DELUDED
Hypnotised says:
e.g madman burst into house with gun just about kill yr. family and the only way to stop him is to shoot him
Hypnotised says:
what do you do then?
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
no its not, theres a phone
Hypnotised says:
he'd shoot
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
and myu family could knock him cold
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
i don't think i'd murder him
Hypnotised says:
he has a gun
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
no, i wouldn't
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
i don't care if he has 5 guns
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
i'd pity the fact he actually kills
Hypnotised says:
so you'd let yr. whole family die, when you could save them by shooting him
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
they wouldn't neccesairily die
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
-.-'
Hypnotised says:
they would
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
you think madman = murder
Hypnotised says:
yes
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
*****
Hypnotised says:
in this case
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
there are plenty of mad people who aren't violent
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
LMAO
Hypnotised says:
i know dip****
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
so you're making a whole little fantasy about killing my family?
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
THANKS
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
thats just psycho
Hypnotised says:
it's an example where murder is morally right
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
no its not
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
you might think so
Hypnotised says:
it's a well known philosphy thing
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
being all supportive for stealing
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
*****
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
don't try baffling me with knowledge
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
fake knowledge*
Hypnotised says:
there are no objective moral facts it's circumstantial
Hypnotised says:
it's true
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
*****
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
like you've read one paper on psychotic behaviour
Hypnotised says:
it's in me philosphy book
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
LMAO
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
philosopsy shortened down for dummies
Hypnotised says:
psychotic behaviour has nothing to do with it
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
YES IT DOES
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
THE GUYS A MADMAN
Hypnotised says:
OK, refined example
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
you're bloody backtracking now
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
NO
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
you're not making another fantasy
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
about bloody murdering my family
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
sicko
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
-.-'
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
thats just weak
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
and mank
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
and urgh
Hypnotised says:
a guy walks into yr. house with an AK and is about to kill yr. family, but you have gun, do you shoot him first?
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
omg not another bloody lets kill laurence day
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
wow
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
you must really like me
Hypnotised says:
whose family it is is irelevant, its about what you would do
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
i can't honestly answer that!
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
i have no idea how my brian would work in a life threatening situation
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
no-ones that calm!
Hypnotised says:
so you agree that in this case, you can't say that you would kill him
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
anyway,i thought you had to RUN
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
i can't say i'd kill or him or not
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
neither can you
Hypnotised says:
i would
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
LMAO
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
you have NO IDEA
Hypnotised says:
1 guy dies, entire family dies
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
you don't know what you'd do in an extreme situation
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
you just like to think you'd be all heroic
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
its not about heroics
Hypnotised says:
never said it was
Hypnotised says:
stop going off on completely irrelevant tangents
Hypnotised says:
another example
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
LMAO
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
*****
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
YOU'RE THE ONE WHO BLOODY STARTED
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
WE'VE GOT FROM STEALING
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
AND BY YOU
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
WE'VE GOT TO MURDERING MY FAMILY
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
THANKS
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
thats bloody contradictory
Hypnotised says:
you are the ruler of a small country which is invaded, the invaders round up 100 children and will kill them all, unless you kill one
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
STOP THE BLOODY SCENARIOS
Hypnotised says:
w were discussing objective moral facts
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
you have no idea what you'd do
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
lmao
Hypnotised says:
in both circumstances i know that i would choose murder
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
*snort*
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
you don't know that
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
you're a 13 year old
Hypnotised says:
so..?
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
you haven't experienced the world, neither have i
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
you have no idea what influences will happen
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
you can't even say what you'd do
Hypnotised says:
irelevant.. yawn
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
HOW CAN YOU SAY ITS IRRELIVANT
Hypnotised says:
the whole point is what you would do now, not in the future
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
YOU'VE BEEN GOING FROM ONE BLOODY SUBJECT TO ANOTHER
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
you think I'M irrelevantg
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
you're bloody killing my family -.-'
Hypnotised says:
we were talking about objective moral facts if certain things are always wrong, first with stealing and then i made the logical progression to murder
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
see, thats your excuse
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
and i made a logical progression to that our age is ridiculous in those situations
Hypnotised says:
anyways, i have nothing against your family, for the example to work it has to be people to care about
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
so why didn't you elaborate into an imaginary family
Hypnotised says:
which is completely irrelevant
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
you sure like elaborating
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
-.-'
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
and i thought you had to go
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
or was that a scapegoat for leaving
Hypnotised says:
coz that would have no meaning to you, ruining the example
Hypnotised says:
no, my mum was making me get off so she could use the plug but she had to answer the phone
Hypnotised says:
can we get back to my invaded kingdom thing
Hypnotised says:
what would you do?
Hypnotised says:
now
Hypnotised says:
as a 13 year old
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
lmao
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
"invaded kingdom"
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
to much guild wars methinks
Hypnotised says:
"you are the ruler of a small country which is invaded, the invaders round up 100 children and will kill them all, unless you kill one"
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
STOP THE SCENARIO'S
Hypnotised says:
stopped playing it 4 months ago
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
they're more irrelivant than anything
Hypnotised says:
answer my question
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
you're spewing out these ridiculous things
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
that i have no idea what i'd do
Hypnotised says:
no, they prove that murder is right in extreme circumstances
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
because i've never been in that circumstance
Hypnotised says:
think about it a little
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
no i won't
Hypnotised says:
then your being childish
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
i refuse to accept killing or murdering is good
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
well done, i AM a child
Hypnotised says:
another example
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
if you never saw
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
STOP THE EXAMPLES -.-'
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
another example, i've had enough
Hypnotised says:
you go back in time to 1933 and you have chance to kill Hitler stopping WWII, do you take it?
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
no
Hypnotised says:
yr. a teenager
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
still counts as child
Hypnotised says:
and let millions die ?
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
thats the outcome of the circumstance
Hypnotised says:
1 life, 100s of millions of lives..
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
and anyway i find these ridiculous and irrelivant to my life and my experiences, theres no straightforward thing i'd do
'Appy 14th Paprika! says:
so bye