Cameron announces 'sovereignty act'

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David Cameron has said "never again" to powers being transferred from the UK to Brussels without a referendum.

He said all future treaties would be put to a public vote as he outlined his new European policy after ruling out a referendum on the Lisbon treaty.
He also promised a sovereignty bill if the Tories win the next election to ensure the supremacy of UK laws. And he vowed to demand powers back on employment law, the charter of fundamental rights and criminal law. Mr Cameron has been forced to unveil a new set of policies on Europe after being forced to abandon a pledge for a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, which is now to come into force on 1 December. He has been accused of backtracking on a "cast iron" pledged to hold a referendum, but he said: "I did not promise a referendum come what may, because once the Lisbon Treaty becomes law there is nothing people can do about it." And he said he did not want to "treat people like fools" by pretending that was not the case.

Mr Cameron promised referendums on any future moves to "transfer further powers from Britain to the European Union" if the Tories win power at the next election. But he ruled out what he called a "phoney" referendum on the UK's EU negotiating aims as some in his party have been demanding.
But the Tory leader is still under pressure from Eurosceptics in his own party to offer the public a say on Europe.

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A load of absolute rubbish, Dave you CAN repeal these laws because laws are only pieces of paper, their will NEVER be another treaty on the European Union because the Lisbon Treaty is self-amending, meaning the European Union can now create/extend power to whereever it wishes now - the EU will never ever need another treaty. On the supremacy law, EU rule already takes place over British law, the same with the European Courts taking place over British courts, so again he told yet another lie. On the point of the rebate, he refused to promise that when the EU discusses its next budget our rebate would not be futher reduced in size.

His 'cast-iron' promise seems to of melted away pretty quickly.

Cameron is a bit vague in what he says and is quite clearly misleading voters.

What you've already said is exactly what I thought when I saw the headline. Europe don't have to give us votes any more, so he can't possibly promise referendums

Oh, what did people say all along? The Tories wouldn't always go along with the referendum idea, clever way of masking it up though Dave.

No, I do not trust David Cameron, i'd much prefer to see the Chuckle Brothers running the country than him. So I guess my vote stays with Gordon. :eusa_clap:eusa_clap:eusa_clap

At the end of the day we won't be coming out of the EU for quite a while now, so what referendums can be promise :S

it'll be a sad day when he's prime minister.

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Originally Posted by invincible

Oh, what did people say all along? The Tories wouldn't always go along with the referendum idea, clever way of masking it up though Dave.

No, I do not trust David Cameron, i'd much prefer to see the Chuckle Brothers running the country than him. So I guess my vote stays with Gordon. :eusa_clap:eusa_clap:eusa_clap

At the end of the day we won't be coming out of the EU for quite a while now, so what referendums can be promise :S

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He could of promised, and did promise a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty which will be the last treaty that the European Union will ever have to pass. Gordon Brown and Tony Blair also promised us a referendum on EU reform in their 2005 General Election manifesto and also backtracked on it, showing that Dave is another Teflon Tony.

If he cares so much about the British people and their views on the European Union, why will he not give us a vote on EU membership then - because he knows what the outcome would be. He says the Lisbon Treaty is now law and cannot be repealed, but it can just like all laws - so its simple, hold the promised referendum on Lisbon and if the British public vote no to the treaty then you scrap the laws that the treaty brings in and do not allow futher transition of power from Westminister to Brussels.

Am I the only one happy to weather the storm to see if a EU war happens between the EU and different member states? It'll be like going to war with Germany again, except less hail Hitlers and the Germans going crazy because they hate the meer mention of war.

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it'll be a sad day when he's prime minister.

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I'm not entirely convinced it's going to happen tbh.

I think people know he'd be lousy.

Maybe that's just me as a Labour supporter thinking hopefully.. but I think this is a big dent into Cameron's reputation, at the end of the day he has done the same thing Blair & Brown have done, promised a referendum and then stood down.

I have no doubt that the Conservative Party do want this country to be part of the EU, they probably have different intentions for us being in the EU than Labour though :P

I myself am a supporter of the EU, I see no problem with us becoming part of the European Union, it's good for the economy, it's good for all social classes as well - which is something that doesn't come around very often.

Of course I still believe we should keep our National Identity, which includes the pound sterling which I think we will do.

Back on topic, I think this is a sign that if the Conservative Party were to be in power they wouldn't do much different to Labour. The reason I am a Labour Party supporter is because I believe in their left-wing principals :)

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I myself am a supporter of the EU, I see no problem with us becoming part of the European Union, it's good for the economy, it's good for all social classes as well - which is something that doesn't come around very often.

Of course I still believe we should keep our National Identity, which includes the pound sterling which I think we will do.

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The European Union is not good for the economy, thats common propaganda thats used to fool the people into believing that if we were to leave the EU then the economy would collapse, is simply just not true at all and holds no water. On economy, centralised economy has never worked and never will, and secondly giving billions upon billions every year (while in a mound of debt) to an organisation which does not even give it back is not good economics. The rest of the world and other European countrys are not in the European Union yet their economies are immensely strong and fast growing. We are part of the European Union, and so are the Republic of Ireland - where was the EU when borrowing was reaching stupid amounts between the banks and nearly caused another depression?

On the point of social classes, its not good for every family across the United Kingdom or Europe who have to pay higher taxes which run into the hundreds of pounds to keep this thing going, if add that ontop of the fact the British people do not want the European Union then its pretty damning.

On national identity, you can't say we have kept our national identity when we have allowed mass immigration (due to EU laws) into this country from eastern europe and we have 84% of our laws made in Brussels by unelected eurocrats.

Thats identity, not British but one of a federal europe.

no, never have like Cameron, this just makes things worse

if a man was had the skills of Churchill and a woman had the skills of donald duck, the woman should get the position because it's fair...... yeah right

the EU provides us with more benefits than not, we're better to be in the EU than not as yeah, if we weren't, we'd be losing out on things.