About time... Dail to be dissolved.

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22-11-2010, 07:46 PM
Eoin247

About time... Dail to be dissolved.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1122/politics.html

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Taoiseach Brian Cowen has said he will seek a dissolution of the Dáil after the current budgetary process is complete.
Mr Cowen said this evening it is a matter of importance that the Dáil and Government should continue to discharge its obligations to bring forward solutions to the current economic position.
He said the Government will publish its four-year plan this week, present a Budget to the Dáil in December, and continue discussions with the European Union and International Monetary Fund.
The Taoiseach said the national concern had sometimes to take precedence over political or personal ones.
Mr Cowen was surrounded by Fianna Fáil members of the Cabinet as he made his statement at Government Buildings.
The statement followed a meeting with Fianna Fáil ministers after the Green Party called for a General Election to be held in the second half of January 2011.

To be honest this was to be expected, it was a long time coming even without the bailout controversy.
23-11-2010, 03:18 PM
-:Undertaker:-

Hardly matters who you vote in now, before this crisis you were virtually run by the European Union (more so than the United Kingdom because you had given your monetary policy over to unelected politicians on the continent) and now your being subjected to an IMF-EU imposed rulebook which means even more of your economic/monetary policy is now out of your hands. Unless the Irish people vote for any party which wants the return of the Punt they are embarking on a wasted journey to the ballot box.

Independence didn't last long.
23-11-2010, 06:46 PM
GommeInc

I wouldn't be surprised if Ireland vote against the EU or against the party that forced them into signing the Lisbon treaty. Was it not Ireland that had to vote twice not so long ago because apparently the first time wasn't good enough? They may aswell quit the EU, they do not need it - they're hidden behind a country that doesn't use the Euro so they've always been the quiet country in the Union. I wouldn't be surprised if the continent would miss it, or know Ireland exists.
23-11-2010, 08:07 PM
Eoin247

We did have to vote a second time as there was problems with neutrality among other things in the treaty.
25-11-2010, 03:54 AM
-:Undertaker:-

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Originally Posted by eoin247

We did have to vote a second time as there was problems with neutrality among other things in the treaty.

They only made you vote twice because you didn't give them the answer they wanted.
25-11-2010, 01:25 PM
Eoin247

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

They only made you vote twice because you didn't give them the answer they wanted.

This may be true to an extent however there was a big problem with people actualy understanding what the treaty was all about.

Sinn-fein were the only party to go no (they go against everything the government does so this wasn't surprising). Sinn-fein managed to get a lot of money from private sources and led a huge advertising campaign to vote no to lisbon often citing terms that weren't even in the treaty. Even though Sinn-fein were the only party to go for a no vote, there was far more advertising for no than there was for yes.

Many people who didn't have a clue about this treaty just went with what they saw on the tv and on posters.
25-11-2010, 03:59 PM
-:Undertaker:-

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Originally Posted by eoin247

This may be true to an extent however there was a big problem with people actualy understanding what the treaty was all about.

Sinn-fein were the only party to go no (they go against everything the government does so this wasn't surprising). Sinn-fein managed to get a lot of money from private sources and led a huge advertising campaign to vote no to lisbon often citing terms that weren't even in the treaty. Even though Sinn-fein were the only party to go for a no vote, there was far more advertising for no than there was for yes.

Many people who didn't have a clue about this treaty just went with what they saw on the tv and on posters.

Spending on the 'yes' side actually vastly outspent the 'no' side along with all impartiality rules regarding broadcasting being dropped, along with millions spent by the EU itself and companies such as RyanAir (who incidently had a EU Commission ruling coming along). The 'yes' side also told many lies, such as the same old "most of our trade is with Europe, without the EU we'll loose many jobs" - total and utter scaremongering.

Those 'gurantees' you got weren't worth the paper they were written on, they have no legal status.

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Originally Posted by eoin247

there was a big problem with people actualy understanding what the treaty was all about.

Common sense would dictate not to vote/sign upto something if you don't agree with it.
25-11-2010, 04:41 PM
Eoin247

Surveys taken after the first vote showed that a large amount of people voted no simply because they didn't fully understand what the treaty involved.

I remember getting a watered down pamphlet version before the second set of voting which was sent out to every household. So perhaps this is why we voted yes the second time around, I of course can't speak for everybody.

On the otherhand the government did scare everybody by saying if we voted no a second time we would simply be left behind by Europe. Not that i'm saying we would/wouldn't have if we had again voted no.