EU latest power grab at UN risks UK's permanent security council seat

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EU MOVE RISKS UK’S SEAT AT UN

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EU has seized the right to speak at the UN

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Originally Posted by Daily Express

THE EU has seized the right to speak at the United Nations on behalf of its 27 member states, prompting fears that Britain may eventually lose its seat altogether.

In the latest Brussels power grab the EU will be able to address UN meetings through its own officials, rather than the country holding its rotating presidency. The decision, which does not give the EU voting rights, comes after years of lobbying by the European bloc. Baroness Ashton, the EU’s High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, told the UN’s General Assembly they would now hear “a clearer voice” from the EU.

But the move has sparked fears that the UK will eventually lose its seat at the UN table. Ukip leader Nigel Farage said: “This is the next step along the road to Britain being deprived of its permanent seat and its voice at the UN Security Council. There can be no such thing as a ‘British Foreign Policy’ if there is an EU ‘common foreign and security policy’.”

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Hmm yep there we go, another drip drip drip and its all going to go - and before anyone attempts to dismiss this as 'oh that'll never happen you are simply raving!' - the very same was said about the Euro and numerous other things which have now been lost by formerly sovereign states around Europe. It was afterall, only a few decades ago when we had control of our immigration policy before we lost it to the EU.

But this is what will happen and its a very clever drip by drip process, along with the ending of HM armed forces in due time and the end of the nation of the United Kingdom. I have numerous quotes from top figures in the commission including our former PM Edward Heath on the creation of a federal Europe if anybody has any doubts so I would beg you to do something before its too late.

It looks as though, yet again, Cast-iron Dave has simply melted away.

Thoughts?

I heard about this a few months ago and I am absolutely disgraced by this. OUT OF THE EU NOW!!! (I was proud voting for UKIP earlier today :p).. Nigel Farage for PM lmao :)

That's actually disgusting to read. Am I just being ignorant and bias towards the whole situation, or is there any true benefits to being in the EU?

Vote UKIP and this won't happen.

OMG DAN WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ME D:

Lol but seriously, this kind of **** needs to stop.

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Originally Posted by Mathew

That's actually disgusting to read. Am I just being ignorant and bias towards the whole situation, or is there any true benefits to being in the EU?

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Simple answer: there are no benefits of the EU. Free trade, the main benefit, does not exist in the European Union. A quick research into the matter and you would find that it is far from free trade. We should just pull out, the EU is a wasted organisation with no benefits and is only a place to dump money.

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Originally Posted by Mathew

That's actually disgusting to read. Am I just being ignorant and bias towards the whole situation, or is there any true benefits to being in the EU?

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I've been starting to wonder this myself now..

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Simple answer: there are no benefits of the EU. Free trade, the main benefit, does not exist in the European Union. A quick research into the matter and you would find that it is far from free trade. We should just pull out, the EU is a wasted organisation with no benefits and is only a place to dump money.

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There is a (loose) benefit that the current (and former) Government both cry in the sense of jobs, although I see no benefit to the UK itself shipping our citizens off to work in Europe, yeh sure great opportunity if people want to take it but it's no benefit to the country.

I thought back in the days when we refused to go to the Euro we may not get too involved in the EU and just sit on the outskirts, however sitting on the outskirts seem to be drifting further and further into the EU.

It makes me wonder why the Conservatives and Labour, who are both obviously aware of the public wish not to be too involved in the EU as they both talked about a referendum - why they didn't give this referendum and why they are so adamant in staying in the EU. There has to be some reason they won't leave it and there must be further reasons to why they won't reveal these reasons.

It seems to be an awful waste of money, however.

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Originally Posted by Hecktix

There is a (loose) benefit that the current (and former) Government both cry in the sense of jobs, although I see no benefit to the UK itself shipping our citizens off to work in Europe, yeh sure great opportunity if people want to take it but it's no benefit to the country.

I thought back in the days when we refused to go to the Euro we may not get too involved in the EU and just sit on the outskirts, however sitting on the outskirts seem to be drifting further and further into the EU.

It makes me wonder why the Conservatives and Labour, who are both obviously aware of the public wish not to be too involved in the EU as they both talked about a referendum - why they didn't give this referendum and why they are so adamant in staying in the EU. There has to be some reason they won't leave it and there must be further reasons to why they won't reveal these reasons.

It seems to be an awful waste of money, however.

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Incredibly loose benefits :P I honestly cannot see how the Government can justify paying out x amount of billions to an organisation that doesn't give any perks or will do anything differently to what we can do now. The last I bothered reading up on the EU they help put money towards building and maintaining the transport system, which I am fairly certain we can do perfectly well on our own and for less than the odd billion we chuck at an organisation that doesn't even know how to handle money itself :P I mean, sure, they could give 20+ Billion Euros to Portugal and other hard done countries, but would it not be wiser to actually help these countries out rather than chuck money at the problem or zap money out of them in the first place? It's no wonder the Euro is hopeless. As far as I see it, the European Union and the Euro only exist to put countries in debt.

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Originally Posted by Hecktix

There has to be some reason they won't leave it and there must be further reasons to why they won't reveal these reasons.

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Two simple reasons; high paid unelected jobs for when they have been booted out of/left office here, and secondly believing in a federal Europe.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Two simple reasons; high paid unelected jobs for when they have been booted out of/left office here, and secondly believing in a federal Europe.

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I can't help but think there's a third option, and that's an unknown and unseen contract that the PM sees which tell them they cannot pull out without some sort of fee to handle the pulling out costs. I'd hate to assume both of your points are true, only an imbesile would want a unified, single entity of Europe when each nation has its own views, traditions, morals and societies.

If people educated themselves about the EU instead of believing exactly what's written in the express/mail/telegraph they'd find there are hundreds of good reasons to be in the EU...

The french wouldn't allow themselves to lost their seat and everything said by Kathy Ashton has to be unanimously agreed on by every member state.

The key words in this stub of an article:

"The decision, which does not give the EU voting rights, comes after years of lobbying by the European bloc."

from what i can tell this seems like if the EU states agree, they can voice through EU officials rather than their own.