What is the right response to Islamic extremism in Britain?

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11-10-2013, 04:44 AM
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What is the right response to Islamic extremism in Britain?

What is the right response to Islamic extremism in Britain?

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In recent years, the debate around Islamic extremism has been stifled in the grounds that anybody who dared criticise elements of Islam was decried as a racist and an 'islamophobe' - it was this put down of discussion about large parts of Islam that the EDL came into being after their former leader, Tommy Robinson, witnessed muslims in the street protesting/celebrating at the funeral procession of a dead British soldier.

With Robinson leaving the EDL in October 2013 saying that the organisation has been taken over by thuggish elements, what now is the right response to your mind in confronting radical Islam in the streets and mosques of Britain? Was the EDL in it's original form a good idea that was simply hijacked? what role does the state have in preventing the formenting of radical Islam across the country?

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11-10-2013, 10:12 AM
geekygrant

I think the term "racist" has been thrown about so much it has lost its meaning. I think that if they do not like our country, why stay?
11-10-2013, 10:43 AM
Kardan

The EDL was never a good thing, it just encouraged unlawful behaviour. And people complaining about 'radical Islam' really annoys me, because it is only a small majority of muslims that believe in such things... I mean, why don't we see protests around churches for the 'paedophilic Christianity' we see sometimes in our society.

As for what the government can do, there are doing a half decent job already... Look how many attacks the UK have suffered compared to other parts of the world. Of course, you can't say it's perfect when one-off events do occur, but really, what can the government do more unless people want more spying etc. to go on?

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Originally Posted by geekygrant

I think the term "racist" has been thrown about so much it has lost its meaning. I think that if they do not like our country, why stay?

I would also ask this to all the people I know that absolutely despise the government for every little thing they do :P
11-10-2013, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Kardan

The EDL was never a good thing, it just encouraged unlawful behaviour. And people complaining about 'radical Islam' really annoys me, because it is only a small majority of muslims that believe in such things... I mean, why don't we see protests around churches for the 'paedophilic Christianity' we see sometimes in our society.

As far as i'm aware, we do never hear the end of paedophile priests - yet we never hear of the stories of Asian gangs (usually Islamic) kidnapping and operating rape groups now, do we? But really, if you think there's not a big problem in Islam then you are deluding yourself.

Not heard of the Saudi money funding extreme views in British mosques? I suggest a look into it.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

As for what the government can do, there are doing a half decent job already... Look how many attacks the UK have suffered compared to other parts of the world. Of course, you can't say it's perfect when one-off events do occur, but really, what can the government do more unless people want more spying etc. to go on?

Well it could stop allowing so many people into the country which would force those small numbers coming in to integrate?

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Originally Posted by Kardan

I would also ask this to all the people I know that absolutely despise the government for every little thing they do :P

You confuse, like most on the left, love of your country for love of the state. I love my country, I loathe the state.
26-10-2013, 07:57 PM
oli

there is no difference between the edl and extremist islams.
both of them need to be removed from the country especially the extremist muslims. the muslims are complaining about the country which few of them actually grew up in, and if they asked for it, they could get deported quite easily. the edl are harder to deal with but they are just as bad, they seem to forget the fact that the british empire trod all over the entire world and we've colonised a lot of countries forcing them to become part british. so if we cant accept the british people in the country who can we accept?
26-10-2013, 09:34 PM
AcarioRuiz

I don't see why the islamic and muslim has to be thrown into almost every debate I come across, as they have no relevance. Neither of their holy books or scriptures contain anything supporting the use of violence and homicide - these extremists twist the words to justify their personal opinion and anger which is not right at all.

Now, what should we do with these terrorists? I believe we should bring back the death penalty, but only if there is enough severity and evidence to do so. This could scare away other extremists, though at the same time it could provoke anger and outrage. At the end of the day though, it's written clearly in the law that people are not to kill or terrorise, thus anyone who does deserves whichever punishment they are given.

If you went into a restaurant and started being disruptive and rude, then you would be asked to leave considering it would be against their rules. The same rule applies to foreign terrorists who decide to come to the UK and plan to cause chaos. They either abide the law, or simply do not come here.

I'm sorry if I said anything that caused offence, it was not intended and I did try my part of euphemism but some things are hard to sugarcoat.
26-10-2013, 10:02 PM
AgnesIO

Certainly I despise what the nut cases did on their original protest (ie. burn poppies), and consider them to be vermin. However, unless they specifically aim to cause violence or similar, I don't think they should be prevented from airing their views. The argument of "but if you went to their country..." is void to me, because if I went to their country I would accept I couldn't air my views BUT I would firmly believe I should be able to. Two wrongs, after all, do not make a right. However, I do NOT think someone who comes over to this country to protest about Britain should receive benefits from the British state; I mean that is absurd. Let's be honest, the majority of the muppets who stand with their little signs with "Sharia for the UK" are nothing - they have no intention of actually taking action, if they did they would have done it by now.

When we get to the real extremists, the ones that want to blow up Britain, cause havoc and coerce others into doing the same I have a totally different view. These people should be kicked out of the country, and sent home - the threat of "The ECHR fining us" is absolutely ridiculous, as these fines would be almost nothing (when you put it on a national spending level), and I cannot understand why Mr. Qatada was in the country for such a long time. The EDL is an interesting topic. Honestly I think that are just as bad as the Islamic extremists, along with the fools at UAF.

To be honest, I think it is dangerous ground when you start preventing certain groups of people from airing their views, and this is my concern. In a recent case, some Student Unions' have banned Robin Thicke's hit "Blurred Lines" - my concern with this and with any sort of censorship is that one thing will lead onto another, and another... and another.
27-10-2013, 01:33 AM
oli

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Originally Posted by Marketing

Certainly I despise what the nut cases did on their original protest (ie. burn poppies), and consider them to be vermin. However, unless they specifically aim to cause violence or similar, I don't think they should be prevented from airing their views. The argument of "but if you went to their country..." is void to me, because if I went to their country I would accept I couldn't air my views BUT I would firmly believe I should be able to. Two wrongs, after all, do not make a right. However, I do NOT think someone who comes over to this country to protest about Britain should receive benefits from the British state; I mean that is absurd. Let's be honest, the majority of the muppets who stand with their little signs with "Sharia for the UK" are nothing - they have no intention of actually taking action, if they did they would have done it by now.

When we get to the real extremists, the ones that want to blow up Britain, cause havoc and coerce others into doing the same I have a totally different view. These people should be kicked out of the country, and sent home - the threat of "The ECHR fining us" is absolutely ridiculous, as these fines would be almost nothing (when you put it on a national spending level), and I cannot understand why Mr. Qatada was in the country for such a long time. The EDL is an interesting topic. Honestly I think that are just as bad as the Islamic extremists, along with the fools at UAF.

To be honest, I think it is dangerous ground when you start preventing certain groups of people from airing their views, and this is my concern. In a recent case, some Student Unions' have banned Robin Thicke's hit "Blurred Lines" - my concern with this and with any sort of censorship is that one thing will lead onto another, and another... and another.

sexism is illegal in the uk
racism is illegal in the uk
other isms are illegal in the uk

you dont have freedom of speech in the uk and yet they're able to slander the deceased? disgusting people who have no respect who should be put down like the dogs they are. they are sheep to the extremists and unless we teach them a lesson they're not going to learn
27-10-2013, 09:55 AM
AgnesIO

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Originally Posted by oli

sexism is illegal in the uk
racism is illegal in the uk
other isms are illegal in the uk

you dont have freedom of speech in the uk and yet they're able to slander the deceased? disgusting people who have no respect who should be put down like the dogs they are. they are sheep to the extremists and unless we teach them a lesson they're not going to learn

I can go and shout in the street that women shouldn't be allowed to drive, I would merely be laughed at with the odd feminist getting angry.

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27-10-2013, 11:02 AM
oli

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Originally Posted by Marketing

I can go and shout in the street that women shouldn't be allowed to drive, I would merely be laughed at with the odd feminist getting angry.

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You would be arrested by the police if they witnessed it, of course nothing would come of it because of the fact its clearly comical.