Sky dragon 6T what the ****?

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Originally Posted by Exelglug

Theres a thread in news and rumors saying a NEW rare is going to come out, meaning that a rare that hasnt been given to anyone before will be released. Ok, you recall him saying that, but that is going to take ages, a year or so maybe. That enough time for people to buy it cheap and sell it highly, and it should be a much higher price it is now, because of what ive repeated a few times, because there are very little of them, ill remind you : The rarer the item, the higher its value, and if you carefully read my other posts, this relationship isnt so for quite a few of the rares, meaning some values need changing.

Habbox say they define a super as an item with a low quantity of them available, but thats what habbox think. Another, and a much better definition, is that a super is an item of furni where there is a very limited amount of them and are so, priced highly. You must of looked at the wrong page, because the holopod value is shown on the 'Normal Rares' page, and it deserves to be on there if it is that price, so even though some values need changing, there are some values that are correct by using the system the depo. use currently, but not all.

Some of the senior staff in the department probably believe the values are correct. And it is difficult to find people who are fixing values and make them look reliable, and more measures should be made to pick out the liars.

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The Holopod was never released so it's a super rare, also you say supers should be based on quantity so you would pay around 100 CS for the ugly Army Plasto? - No one actually would mate.

You can't base values on how many there are, also the Venomous Habbolous will never and doesn't deserve to be a high price because it is confirmed it will be released sometime soon, so why would anyone risk buying it for 12T then get stuck with it and then have to sell for 0.8 CS?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

The Holopod was never released so it's a super rare, also you say supers should be based on quantity so you would pay around 100 CS for the ugly Army Plasto? - No one actually would mate.

You can't base values on how many there are, also the Venomous Habbolous will never and doesn't deserve to be a high price because it is confirmed it will be released sometime soon, so why would anyone risk buying it for 12T then get stuck with it and then have to sell for 0.8 CS?

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The holopod is on the 'Normal Rares' page and so is a normal rare according to habbox, UGLY army plasto is your opinion of the furni, other people may think its cool, and it couldnt be priced 100 CS since not many are being sold and plasto is considered as an uncommon super rather than treated as a Crown Jewel, so thats why its only 14 CS.

On the contrary, you can and should base values on how many there are, so stop saying in incorrect when i am obviously accurate in what im saying. Now saying that Venemous Habbolus plant was confirmed to be released some time soon is quite a different story to what you said before :-

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I recall Lost_Witness saying the Plant will come out, but not in the short time, so it is going to come out.

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This says you dont know when it is going to come out, and guess what, no one else does. You cant just say that its going to come out at this time just because one person says it is, you cant guarantee theyre telling the truth, heck you cant even tell if the hotel manager is telling the truth. Now im not talking about the truth in whether it is going to come out or not, but the truth about what date it will come out at. And again, STOP SAYING BOGUS VALUE'S (Should be prices), you cant say what the price of something will be when a certain even happens when it hasnt even happened yet.

Anyway this argument isnt about the habbolus, its about the Sky Dragon. Sky Dragon, according to how many there are and what it is being traded for, the price should be 12T, End Of. Dont reply with the same kind of arguments because ive already proved them wrong.

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Originally Posted by Exelglug

The holopod is on the 'Normal Rares' page and so is a normal rare according to habbox, UGLY army plasto is your opinion of the furni, other people may think its cool, and it couldnt be priced 100 CS since not many are being sold and plasto is considered as an uncommon super rather than treated as a Crown Jewel, so thats why its only 14 CS.

On the contrary, you can and should base values on how many there are, so stop saying in incorrect when i am obviously accurate in what im saying. Now saying that Venemous Habbolus plant was confirmed to be released some time soon is quite a different story to what you said before :-



This says you dont know when it is going to come out, and guess what, no one else does. You cant just say that its going to come out at this time just because one person says it is, you cant guarantee theyre telling the truth, heck you cant even tell if the hotel manager is telling the truth. Now im not talking about the truth in whether it is going to come out or not, but the truth about what date it will come out at. And again, STOP SAYING BOGUS VALUE'S (Should be prices), you cant say what the price of something will be when a certain even happens when it hasnt even happened yet.

Anyway this argument isnt about the habbolus, its about the Sky Dragon. Sky Dragon, according to how many there are and what it is being traded for, the price should be 12T, End Of. Dont reply with the same kind of arguments because ive already proved them wrong.

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Habbox is wrong on the Holopod, Russian Samovar and the Throne, they are all supers no matter what some fansite says.

You say it couldn't be priced as 100 CS because there aren't many being sold, well you have just defeated your own arguement. You say values should be based on rareity not what they are sold for.

The Venomous Habbolous could be released anytime soon, Lost_Witness did not give a specfic time or date.

I'm not saying the price on the Venomous should be low, i'm saying it's low because it will come out, people know this and will not pay high prices for it.

As far as I know, the Sky Dragon hasn't been sold for 12T and even if it was, it was last sold for 7T so that is the price.

If Habbox based all rares on rareity, then people WOULD NOT pay it I can assure you. People won't pay high prices for Venomous' because they are going to come out eventually. People pay high prices for Thrones because they aren't coming out and they look good and are a safe rare. People will not pay 12T+ for Sky Dragons because they are a new super and there are quite a few around whereas people will pay more for Purple ICM's because most have disappeared and Habbo haven't given any out since the first 20 were given out.

You've both just been repeating the same arguement, getting rather repetitive.

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Originally Posted by Immenseman

You've both just been repeating the same arguement, getting rather repetitive.

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I know I have, for some reason he just ignores it and continues to say they go for 12T/Habbox has it wrong :S

Exelglug do you own a Sky Dragon?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Habbox is wrong on the Holopod, Russian Samovar and the Throne, they are all supers no matter what some fansite says.

You say it couldn't be priced as 100 CS because there aren't many being sold, well you have just defeated your own arguement. You say values should be based on rareity not what they are sold for.

The Venomous Habbolous could be released anytime soon, Lost_Witness did not give a specfic time or date.

I'm not saying the price on the Venomous should be low, i'm saying it's low because it will come out, people know this and will not pay high prices for it.

As far as I know, the Sky Dragon hasn't been sold for 12T and even if it was, it was last sold for 7T so that is the price.

If Habbox based all rares on rareity, then people WOULD NOT pay it I can assure you. People won't pay high prices for Venomous' because they are going to come out eventually. People pay high prices for Thrones because they aren't coming out and they look good and are a safe rare. People will not pay 12T+ for Sky Dragons because they are a new super and there are quite a few around whereas people will pay more for Purple ICM's because most have disappeared and Habbo haven't given any out since the first 20 were given out.

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Habbox seems to be the most looked at for are values, so if you like, its like habbox is the source of most peoples offers. I agree that those furni's should be supers, that would make the other rares prices seem reliable.

Yet again you misunderstood. I said they were based on several factors, not just the amount of them or how much they are being sold for, but based on a mixture of the two. That is somethings value, and dont presume that the opinions given to supers by people are the same, this is why there is a difference in price between them. People's opinions on the army plasto are that its jsut a different colour of an ordinary plasto, hence priced cheaply and peoples opinions of the dino egg are that its interesting, so more people want it, so people pay more to have it.

Thats the thing, you say anytime SOON, when really it could come out soon in like a month or a long time in years. No one knows they are going to come out, so they should sell it as high a price as possible before it does come out.

How does anyoen know thrones arent coming out? its like the plant, it could come out anytime. Any rare can come out anytime since there doesnt need to be hints that one is coming out. Rare values are supposted to be based on rareity, so if they arent, then like i said previously, they dont deserve to be called rare values. They are actually 'Rare Prices' because thats the price which is put on a rare at a specific time, plus, values are often a fixed value for a long period of time, which is not the case for any of the rares on the rare values pages. There are only 6 Sky Dragons, which is hardly a few. 20 is not a 'few' number either, and you say ICM's havent been given out since the first 20 came out, well Sky Dragons havent been given out since the first 6 came out. And all NEW supers are usually priced very high at the start, So the Sky Dragon should be a higher price now since its new.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I know I have, for some reason he just ignores it and continues to say they go for 12T/Habbox has it wrong :S

Exelglug do you own a Sky Dragon?

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To be honest, ive given your arguments real thought and have made successful counter arguments against them. I repeat my arguments because your the one who is ignoring them, you just continue to deny them, despite them being based upon fact.

I own a Sky Dragon, and i have the first people who had them as friends. They sold them for 18T, and I know since they told me. Now people are selling them for 7T, which is a disgrace. Therefore to make everyone happy, the price should be the average of those two, no more no less.

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Originally Posted by Exelglug

Habbox seems to be the most looked at for are values, so if you like, its like habbox is the source of most peoples offers. I agree that those furni's should be supers, that would make the other rares prices seem reliable.

Yet again you misunderstood. I said they were based on several factors, not just the amount of them or how much they are being sold for, but based on a mixture of the two. That is somethings value, and dont presume that the opinions given to supers by people are the same, this is why there is a difference in price between them. People's opinions on the army plasto are that its jsut a different colour of an ordinary plasto, hence priced cheaply and peoples opinions of the dino egg are that its interesting, so more people want it, so people pay more to have it.

Thats the thing, you say anytime SOON, when really it could come out soon in like a month or a long time in years. No one knows they are going to come out, so they should sell it as high a price as possible before it does come out.

How does anyoen know thrones arent coming out? its like the plant, it could come out anytime. Any rare can come out anytime since there doesnt need to be hints that one is coming out. Rare values are supposted to be based on rareity, so if they arent, then like i said previously, they dont deserve to be called rare values. They are actually 'Rare Prices' because thats the price which is put on a rare at a specific time, plus, values are often a fixed value for a long period of time, which is not the case for any of the rares on the rare values pages. There are only 6 Sky Dragons, which is hardly a few. 20 is not a 'few' number either, and you say ICM's havent been given out since the first 20 came out, well Sky Dragons havent been given out since the first 6 came out. And all NEW supers are usually priced very high at the start, So the Sky Dragon should be a higher price now since its new.



To be honest, ive given your arguments real thought and have made successful counter arguments against them. I repeat my arguments because your the one who is ignoring them, you just continue to deny them, despite them being based upon fact.

I own a Sky Dragon, and i have the first people who had them as friends. They sold them for 18T, and I know since they told me. Now people are selling them for 7T, which is a disgrace. Therefore to make everyone happy, the price should be the average of those two, no more no less.

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Rareity can and does affect a rares values, however Habbox shouldn't base their values on a mixture of the two, it should be the public who decide what to pay for a item. Does it matter whether they are called Rare Values or Rare Prices? We know the concept of what it means on the game. You say the Sky Dragon should be priced high just because all other previous rare supers given out have been high - That is wrong. White Lace Pillows stayed around 2T, Purple ICM's started off as 1T each and the Chocolate ICM has also stayed at a low price. Habbox should not fix prices to 'make everyone happy', supers fall to stupid prices I agree, but it's only because people are not willing to buy a Dragon Lamp which is easy to get hold of and is still unknown whether Lost_Witness will give another 20, maybe 100 out over time. Purple Dragon Lamps stay high because there are only normally 1 - 5 around at one time and Hotel Management don't give them out like sweets like what happened to the Yellow Fan.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Rareity can and does affect a rares values, however Habbox shouldn't base their values on a mixture of the two, it should be the public who decide what to pay for a item. Does it matter whether they are called Rare Values or Rare Prices? We know the concept of what it means on the game. You say the Sky Dragon should be priced high just because all other previous rare supers given out have been high - That is wrong. White Lace Pillows stayed around 2T, Purple ICM's started off as 1T each and the Chocolate ICM has also stayed at a low price. Habbox should not fix prices to 'make everyone happy', supers fall to stupid prices I agree, but it's only because people are not willing to buy a Dragon Lamp which is easy to get hold of and is still unknown whether Lost_Witness will give another 20, maybe 100 out over time. Purple Dragon Lamps stay high because there are only normally 1 - 5 around at one time and Hotel Management don't give them out like sweets like what happened to the Yellow Fan.

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Thats the thing you see, a rare value isnt the amount that people are stating, so really the rareity of a furni should reflect the price people offer, which is not the case for many of the rares. I didnt literally mean 'make everyone happy', i meant so everyone (or the majority) agrees on a certain price at a certain time, and not everyone agrees on the price of the sky drag. Theres likely to be people who would want to sell their sky dragon for higher. I know for a fact that no more sky dargons will be released, since L_W stated that, at the Pixel Maze award ceremony 'These furni (sky dragon and turquoise pillow) are exclusive to the pixel maze'. I think there was about 50 or so witnesses in the thatredome who saw hime say that. Also a furni that is easy to get hold of should have nothing to do with its 'value', thats basically saying there is alot of them and so is easy to get hold of. Not all people find it easy to find one of the 6 sky dragons that are available. And 1-5 around at a time? what exactly does that mean, see i thought there was a total amount of them at any one time, and any of them could be traded. Its not like 3 are aroudn then theres 5 of them then theres 2 and so on .Each of the purple dragons of how many there are, all have a chance of being traded, so are you saying that some dragons have a better chance of being traded than others, even though that they all look the same and have the same mission?

tbh I think Habbo r releasing all these rares to try take habbox down. If Habbox show values at 1-4T then Habbo Release them, ppl will be peeded off with Habbox for advising ppl 2 buy for that

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

There is proof that Strobe Solariums are rarer than Dinos and Birdbaths, considering you see Dinos everywhere.

Also Habbo isn't spongebob, so maybe you should think about that.

If you want to set up a site which values Laser Gates at 60 CS - be my guest.



Enthusiastic about what?

Where's the enthusiasm in this example.

Habbo; hey undertaker will the fans rise?
me; no they are falling, i'd say buy thrones instead.

That's really enthusiastic sam.

I play the game still because I like the game, I wasn't on Habbo just because of Habbox, hence why I still am on Habbo.

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Well "no they are falling, i'd say buy thrones instead" is an understatement of an example.