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19-07-2010, 01:20 PM
Catzsy

So what's your actual issue, Gomme? That is it okay to link to 18+ sexual material on a website that discusses other things? What the was context & intention of the original post? If there is a link to the techological section and nothing 18+ showed up what's the problem? I don't think they are saying ban the site. They are just saying don't state the name as it can lead to 18+ material with no warnings. I don't really see what your gripe is.
19-07-2010, 01:26 PM
buttons

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Originally Posted by Oli

It's never been allowed as far as I can remember and it seems Catzsy also backs up that claim so I'm not going mad or anything :P
It does make sense, we have a lot of younger members nowadays and I'd like to think a lot of these guys don't know anything about such sites - I didn't at their age. We have a duty to provide these youngsters with a safe environment and not see them led off to inappropriate sites - and let's be honest the website mentioned contains illegal as well as inappropriate material, it's always been Habbox policy not to let these sites anywhere near our forums.

I agree with Catzsy that it should be common sense not to post it however filtering it is an option.

you do not have that duty at all. you're a forum, its not your job to stop people going on other sites which are NOT ILLEGAL. you don't have control over what people should and shouldn't be seeing. if parents really gave 2 ***** on what their child was reading they would put on parental settings, i know mine did ;) and as for "it's never been allowed":

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Originally Posted by Oli

You should know how the moderation system works, if you've had a warning or infraction for inappropriate content, you get another one. No special treatment anywhere.

why are you avoiding the fact that many other people have said it and had nothing done about it? funny how garion leaves a whole thread dedicated to it (as you can see he edits one post but leaves the thread as a whole - http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...ighlight=4chan and before you start using the ops post to sum up why 4CHAN is so bad, read the rest of the thread. + if it was so bad why was he allowed to post the name :rolleyes:)
this place is a joke caution me for saying the site name everyone else already has cause i really cba.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

2. Another member googles it ( this would happen 99% of the time)

legitimate figure right there, you are so right. at least make it a believable statistic and you wouldn't look like you're trying too hard ^^

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Ryan, tbh there is not much to back it up there. We can't assume that Habbo know that there is porn on the site.
The way they are operating at the moment I would have grave doubts.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Well as I said the way Habbo is at the moment they probably don't even know. I don't think Management have been proven wrong at all.

i've actually just laughed at your "points", they're ridiculous.
19-07-2010, 01:31 PM
GommeInc

No, I think it's fine to link to a website/community which has a range of discussions. I don't agree with linking to any of the 18+ content as we have rules against that. Like I did, I linked to a section which was fine. IF it contains swearing, then you would do what you do with YouTube and mention it has swearing. I don't think it's right to block a website because it has 18+ sections on the site (sections meaning adult material) when the majority of the website isn't adult material and enlightens discussions, with the groups of people who may use it for malicious reasons. In short, it's like blocking YouTube or any other website, because if you look hard enough you can find naughty content. The key word here is: Look. YouTube has groups of people who are malicious and troll the web, Habbox may have some :/

The name is fine, my gripe is banning the name is pointless. It's not a dirty website as you all seem to assume. It's mentioned everywhere, but yet again HxF feels the need to be irritatingly different :/ The name suggests nothing, and as mentioned before searching for it isn't deceptive - the Google results show "Sexy Beautiful Women". Common sense (which is now described as a super power it seems) would tell you what the content is.

So I see you agree we should ban the names YouTube, Piczo and DeviantART, because, as you said about 4-chan "...don't state the name as it can lead to 18+ material with no warnings."
19-07-2010, 01:37 PM
Catzsy

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Originally Posted by buttons

you do not have that duty at all. you're a forum, its not your job to stop people going on other sites which are NOT ILLEGAL. you don't have control over what people should and shouldn't be seeing. if parents really gave 2 ***** on what their child was reading they would put on parental settings, i know mine did ;) and as for "it's never been allowed":

why are you avoiding the fact that many other people have said it and had nothing done about it? funny how garion leaves a whole thread dedicated to it (as you can see he edits one post but leaves the thread as a whole - http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...ighlight=4chan and before you start using the ops post to sum up why 4CHAN is so bad, read the rest of the thread. + if it was so bad why was he allowed to post the name :rolleyes:)
this place is a joke caution me for saying the site name everyone else already has cause i really cba.

legitimate figure right there, you are so right. at least make it a believable statistic and you wouldn't look like you're trying too hard ^^
i've actually just laughed at your "points", they're ridiculous.

Well you would think that, wouldn't you so I carried out a test.:P

If you google it as members would have done this is what happened when I press the links.

Random - Porn
Sexy Beautiful Women - well that's obvious.
Animated GIF - Porn
Anime & Manga Hentai/Alternative - okay
Video Games - Porn
Flash - Porn
Wallpapers/General - okay

That's acceptable is it even if Habbo mention it? I still believe they wouldn't if they researched it more.
Habbox is responsible for for their members and for keeping the 'Fansite Way'

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*Publish any material which may be offensive to other users or contains sexual content.

Allowing links to porn would be a violation of that I believe. Habbox is being responsible as these links contained no warnings at all.
19-07-2010, 01:44 PM
GommeInc

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Well you would think that, wouldn't you so I carried out a test.:P

If you google it as members would have done this is what happened when I press the links.

Random - Porn
Sexy Beautiful Women - well that's obvious.
Animated GIF - Porn
Anime & Manga Hentai/Alternative - okay
Video Games - Porn
Flash - Porn
Wallpapers/General - okay

That's acceptable is it even if Habbo mention it? I still believe they wouldn't if they researched it more.
Habbox is responsible for for their members and for keeping the 'Fansite Way'

Allowing links to porn would be a violation of that I believe. Habbox is being responsible.

And this is Habbox's problem, because? Let your members moderate themselves, once they click onto Google to search something it's their fault and isn't anything to do with YOU. May I ask, does Habbox Forum moderators moderate the forum, or do they moderate their members? They're forum moderators, not member moderators. IF mebers do not know what 4-chan is, then they cans earch for it, it's their fault if they find themselves on the dirty parts, though I do admit Google doesn't advertise it well with that.

Will you be blocking murder, beheading, rape, penis, vagina as well incase members search for them themselves and you feel the need to hold their hands? If I see Xtube, *******, Lezza (this is where my knowledge of sites dies) posted somewhere I'm not going to blame Habbox :/ Especially when they're strictly porn sites AND I'll be looking for them. 4-chan isn't :/

Also, you're talking about material, 4-chan isn't offensive or sexual content, that would be like calling YouTube offensive or sexual content because it so happens has such a section IF you look for them. It contains sexual content IF you look for it, but so does YouTube IF you look for it. Same with DeviantART mentioned previously, IF you look for it :/

And is the way a website advertises themselves on Google really any of our business, when the website itself is quite tame? :/
19-07-2010, 01:45 PM
Robbie

I think this thread has highlighted something that I've thought for a while now. Habbox is too concerned about nannying the users and deciding for them what they should and shouldn't see. Obviously shock sites and blatently obvious inappropriate sites such as "spinning meat" should be filtered. However, any site can have inappropriate material.

By the logic of some people, all outside links should be banned because they may contain material that is not all fluffy and nice. It's not up to Habbox to decide what people do and don't want to look at, and I think this stupidity needs to stop. Even Habbo is less concerned about language etc than Habbox now. There is an option to turn the filter off on the Habbo client and that isn't age restricted - so why can't Habbox add that option?

Anyone can find anything if they go looking for it, there's questionable material all over the web and you can't try and tell people what they can and can't visit, because they'll find it themselves if they really want. As Wootzeh said, the majority of the forum is not NSFW material and the NSFW material is clearly placed under its own section with an 18+ warning, and you are given another warning when you click it. As others have said, you may as well ban all outside links like YouTube and Facebook because I'm sure there's stuff on there that's 'inappropriate'.

4chump has been mentioned on television, news sites, radio, Habbo itself etc - so why, after all these years, is Habbox being such a restrictive nanny. You talk about wanting to keep the older users visiting and active, well if you keep filtering and stopping everything, and treating everyone like five year olds because of a few younger members, then I'm sorry, but they're just going to leave. Add a filter on/off option, allow links to sites like this, and I'm sure you'll get some positive feedback from the older members. It's up to individuals to decide what they look at.
19-07-2010, 01:48 PM
Catzsy

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

And this is Habbox's problem, because? Let your members moderate themselves, once they click onto Google to search something it's their fault and isn't anything to do with YOU. May I ask, does Habbox Forum moderators moderate the forum, or do they moderate their members? They're forum moderators, not member moderators. IF mebers do not know what 4-chan is, then they cans earch for it, it's their fault if they find themselves on the dirty parts, though I do admit Google doesn't advertise it well with that.

Will you be blocking murder, beheading, rape, penis, vagina as well incase members search for them themselves and you feel the need to hold their hands? If I see Xtube, *******, Lezza (this is where my knowledge of sites dies) posted somewhere I'm not going to blame Habbox :/ Especially when they're strictly porn sites AND I'll be looking for them. 4-chan isn't :/

Also, you're talking about material, 4-chan isn't offensive or sexual content, that would be like calling YouTube offensive or sexual content because it so happens has such section IF you look for them. It contains sexual content IF you look for it, but so does YouTube IF you look for it.

They moderate the forum and 18+ sexual content is not allowed to be posted or linked. It's in the rules. Always has been so you should be arguing against the rules not making the case you are. If Youtube had porn on the google link that could be accessed by a member without a warning, the same would apply as would links to beheading and rape. The content I clicked on was very graphic indeed so I cannot describe it as it's against the rules!
19-07-2010, 01:56 PM
GommeInc

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

They moderate the forum and 18+ sexual content is not allowed to be posted or linked. It's in the rules. Always has been so you should be arguing against the rules not making the case you are. If Youtube had porn on the google link that could be accessed by a member without a warning, the same would apply. The content I clicked on was very graphic indeed so I cannot describe it as it's against the rules!

4-chan isn't 18+ content, it's a website. By definition, content is:

"a list of divisions (chapters or articles) and the pages on which they start"

Therefore, calling 4-chan "content" is inappropriate and wrong. 4-chan is a website. It would be wrong to link to 4-chan IF the link contains anything against the rules as the rule suggests. However, mentioning the name isn't publishing content, it's publishing the name - which is where YouTube and DeviantART come in, mentioning them and link to them is fine, provided you're not linking to any content agaisnt the rules, they're a name yet the content or material is what comes into question with the forum rules here.

In short: You're a forum moderator, moderate the forum (e.g. what happens on the forum) not the members (what happens with them in or out of the forum). I fthey search it, they're taking the same risk. Suggesting you have to control suggests you think HxF is the only forum they visit :P
19-07-2010, 01:57 PM
buttons

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

And this is Habbox's problem, because? Let your members moderate themselves, once they click onto Google to search something it's their fault and isn't anything to do with YOU. May I ask, does Habbox Forum moderators moderate the forum, or do they moderate their members? They're forum moderators, not member moderators. IF mebers do not know what 4-chan is, then they cans earch for it, it's their fault if they find themselves on the dirty parts, though I do admit Google doesn't advertise it well with that.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

By the logic of some people, all outside links should be banned because they may contain material that is not all fluffy and nice. It's not up to Habbox to decide what people do and don't want to look at, and I think this stupidity needs to stop.

Anyone can find anything if they go looking for it, there's questionable material all over the web and you can't try and tell people what they can and can't visit, because they'll find it themselves if they really want.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

They moderate the forum and 18+ sexual content is not allowed to be posted or linked. It's in the rules. Always has been so you should be arguing against the rules not making the case you are. If Youtube had porn on the google link that could be accessed by a member without a warning, the same would apply as would links to beheading and rape. The content I clicked on was very graphic indeed so I cannot describe it as it's against the rules!

yes, you're right 18+ content is not allowed. no-one is saying it should be. if it's always been against the rules then explain: http://www.habboxforum.com/search.php?searchid=375595 and the other thread i posted where present and previous staff posted in:S one rule for one person it seems :rolleyes:
19-07-2010, 02:10 PM
Hecktix

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Originally Posted by buttons

+1

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yes, you're right 18+ content is not allowed. no-one is saying it should be. if it's always been against the rules then explain: http://www.habboxforum.com/search.php?searchid=375595 and the other thread i posted where present and previous staff posted in:S one rule for one person it seems :rolleyes:

How is it one rule for one person when many people have been contacted regarding doing it? It's been against the rules for some time.

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